This is why the Dodge Viper is a V10 legend
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Since the 1990s, the Dodge Viper has always been considered one of the most famous V10-engined cars of all time. Today, Mike fulfilled every petrolhead's dream of driving the iconic American supercar and opening up its enormous 8.0-litre V10 engine.
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man those Gran Turismo sound effects hit hard
Yes! Glad I'm not the only one who thought so.
Gran Turismo is the number 1 reason why I bought a Viper
I might buy a viper in gt Sport
Did someone say Gran Turismo? Can't believe it's been 23 years since I first played it. I feel ancient. Well 37 ain't young, that's for sure.
Those sounds made me happy and were very nostalgic
"We're reviewing an American car today, should we use the normal music?"
"No, use the loudest, twangiest, and bluesiest music you can find. We got to really emphasize it's American."
Whilst filming in Canada 🤪
They're in Canada lol and it is UK's idea of what American music sounds like
It’s Gran Turismo SFX
Because Americans never stereotype the British....
@@sph_holl2650 What year do you think it is?
The reason the Viper came to be was because Bob Lutz, who was vice chairman of Chrysler at the time, owned an unmarked Cobra replica and he loved it so much that he convinced Lee Iacocca that they should make their own version of a Shelby Cobra.
Knew it. Its body oozes cobra in all the best ways. Three cheers for Mr lutz!
The reputation early Vipers have for being big brutal muscle cars with no cornering ability or finesse is largely overstated. When new these would pull .95+ g on a skidpad, even higher with modern rubber and shocks. That's still a lot of grip for a street car. They are also about the same size as a Porsche 991 despite the cartoon proportions.
What they WILL do is scare the life out of anyone who hasn't pushed a pre-00s performance car beyond safe and legal limits. No ABS, no traction control, no stability control, nothing to bail you out if you're careless. These cars are meant to thrill, not coddle.
Also, this is making about 410-420 HP *at the wheels.* Crank HP for this generation (96-02) was 450-460, only the early RTs (91-95) were making 400-415 at the crank.
do we need more Speedtrack
Thought they were the same size as a 997..
At least I know that the 5th gen viper is/was.
The Gen 1s and 2s both fast cars... Not much power loss between crank and ground
Contrary to popular perception, Gen 2 vipers were not only GTS’s.
Gen 1s were all RT/10’s.
Gen 2 had both although the RT/10 had a weird “Gen 1.5” as many people like to call it in 1996/7.
You can tell the RT in the video falls in that catergory as it has the smooth hood, interior and dual throttle cables of a Gen 1 but has the exhaust and wheels of the Gen 2.
Also why the RT gets a bad rap for being lower powered because everybody thinks of the Gen 1 when they think RT which had 400hp, when in reality all Gen 2s, GTS and RT/10 got the 450 engine in 1997.
Dodge wanted a Shelby Cobra. They got Carrol Shelby to make Dodge Viper. He's done other Dodges too, but the Gen 1 was really a modern interpretation of the Shelby Cobra
That era of Viper will always have a special and dear place in my heart even since the TV series starring it. That was the start of my love for car culture.
To hear a British guy say "because America" makes me very happy!
Welcome to Canada! Wow, that was filmed in Guelph, not that far from where I am (London). You have to get outside of the city to get country roads with higher speed limits. Most of the roads outside are 80km/h, some are 90. Hope you enjoy your time here.
What gave that away? Wellington Motors?
@@JS-wy1nw Yep.
really.
i know where to drive this, and it's not in Ontario.
Hey! Another Londoner!
I remember living in my small hometown when the Viper first launched, ONLY to see someone driving it during it's first year run. Mind blown by the sound and road presence, at the time. Such a great looking vehicle.
So nice to see my hometown Guelph Ontario and the Dodge dealership just around the corner from my parents home. And also the backroads of the escarpment just east of Guelph. Well done Mike and team. Yes, the OPP don’t take kindly to speeders on the backroads so kudos for keeping the speed limit.
The best cars with a V10 engine are, without a doubt, the Lexus LFA or the Porsche Carrera GT. But the sound of this Viper is anything...
M5E60
Anything ? I agree with the LFA and especially the Carrera GT(cuz I’ve heard it irl) The Viper also has a sound and a brute force that never gets old
Better than lfa worse than carrera gt tied with m5
LFA for me tbh but i appreciate the others.
“THIS is an open vehicle. Please drive responsibly.”
The Viper has always been my favorite car since I was a kid. Little did I know it was so influential to the supercar market with it's V-10! Thank you for sharing that wonderful information and experience!
Love the Gran Turismo scenes blending with the real life scene
What is your favourite V10-engined road car? Tell us in the comments!
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Porsche Carrera GT, Dodge Viper, Lexus LFA, Lamborghini Huracán, Audi RS6 Avant (2008 model year to be exact), etc. Love cars! All of them 😅
US-market manual BMW M6
@Muscleman8562 I hope it wasn't used?!
This one..Viper 🤩
Your MX-5 soon.
Fun fact: before being aquired by Ford in 1998, Volvo was working with Cosworth on a new 4.3 liter V10 engine to be mated to a proprietary 5 speed automatic transmission. The drivetrain would be mounted transversely in the front of the new P2 based S80 sedan. The idea was nixxed when Ford management took over but not before a prototype was installed in a Volvo 850. This means somewhere around Gothenburg Sweden, in some dimly lit garage a V10 850 is waiting…
So it's a bit like Saab with their 4.0 V8 engine, developed in Finland before GM said no.
@@vibingwithvinyl is that the same 4.0 V8 Oldsmobile used in the Aurora?
@@bolt_husky No that's a Northstar pile of junk.
This is been my favorite car since I was old enough to know what a car was. There's something just so brutally majestic about these homicidal machines. One of my all-time favorite viper moments was when Jeremy Clarkson drove One on top gear and even spelled viper with black marks.
Loved the effect of PS1 graphics into real life. You guys should do that kinda thing more often when showing off cars from this era, it feels kinda like timewarping between the 90s/00s and today in a way and that works *really* well with this kinda video.
Always had a soft spot for the Dodge Viper. The distinctive shape and the distinctive sound of that massive V10.
Those Vipers (GTS and RT/10) were literally unbeatable in Gran Turismo 1's Normal Car World Speed Contest (the event for untuned cars). That, plus the Team Oreca car in Gran Turismo 2 are the reasons I loved the Dodge Viper.
The gen 5s are retaking that legacy in unlimited class roll racing now. Nth moto just took it all with their 3100 whp ACR that's somehow still on a stock block. Absolute beast of an engine. The reliability of a crown vic with the power potential of a lambo v10
Regarding the speed limit, it looks like (most of) this film was shot on Forks of The Credit Road about 40 minutes north of Toronto, and near where I grew up. This is an extremely popular road for motorbikes and weekend drivers, especially in the autumn when the leaves are stunning. It's also popular with young idiots whose driving skills are better suited to wide straight highways. There have been some horrific accidents on this road, and that combined with the fact that the shoulders are often full of parked cars and hikers makes the low limit very sensible. In general the speed limit on country roads is 80 kM/h (50 MPH) which another poster pointed out is viewed by locals as a suggestion anyway; Nearby (wide, straight) highway #10 has an 80 kM/h limit but traffic regularly moves at around 120 (74 MPH)
As a guy who grew up East of Toronto it saddens me to travel back home, to be stuck driving on backroads that were 80 km/hr back then and are now 50 km/hr. There may be the odd stretch of road where this makes sense (as you've pointed out), but the lowering of speed limits of rural roads in the GTA truly is pathetic. Higher speeding fines is the only logical explanation as most of these roads are no more populated than they were 30 years ago and all houses are built far back with long driveways. It's fun to go home for a visit now and then, but am I ever glad I don't have to drive there on a regular basis anymore.
@@superspeeder yes, those houses. i noticed them too
I never listen to the sponsor spot in the middle of videos but the way he segued into with a sincere "thank you" was endearing.
Sponsor mentions are only there to be ignored. And so they should be.
My new favorite episode ! The second the video starts, i immediately thought of Gran Turismo. The GTS, SRT 10, and the ACR are simply LEGENDARY
"the dodge viper is a v10 legend"
the floor is made out of floor
The designer purposely never gave it a roof knowing you'd be long dead before you even noticed it was missing.
Lol
Definitely going to start saying this
When I was a kid I considered this Viper, the Ferrari 430, and the Enzo to be my favorite cars. I remember seeing this viper in this exact same color scheme (without the white rims) in a parking lot once and I experienced one of first public freakouts.
Do you not think the Enzo looks weird?
Loved the Gran Turismo 1 references, I still have a PS 1 with GT1 with a souped up Subaru Impreza WRX 22B in blue 😎
I LOVE my Viper. Theres just nothing else that comes close to the experience.
The way you talked about the horsepower on this car reminds me of how Regular Car Reviews talked about the horsepower a few years back. It may only be 400 horsepower, but it is a DIFFERENT 400 horsepower. It is not the same as a 400 horsepower car made today.
It’s the torque delivery that makes this car different, 425lbft is impressive , 400 bhp is 400bhp
I love this era of machinery... Like in the motorcycle world, climaxing with the hyper-sport bikes like the original Hayabusa, ZX-14, 1100XX Superblackbird and the like... The machines where, if you got it wrong, you're on your own buddy.
Having driven one of these a few hundred feet, I can definitely say this is the most deadly cars I have ever driven. It nearly killed me when I turned the ignition and the entire car rotated 90 degrees right from pure torque.
V10s are my absolute favorite sounding ICE. There is nothing even close to it, in my opinion.
This was my bedroom-wall-poster car growing up. I had a matchbox version in black, and an RC model as well. I’ve always worried that it would be a bit of “never meet your heroes”, but I’m glad to see that isn’t the case.
There needs to be another Grand tour season.
I love the trio, but truth be told they are getting a bit old. What if they added this guy to the mix?
The Welsh special should be out near Christmas hopefully 👍
Amen to that!
Great video Mike loving the fact theses video go up on a Sunday reminds me of Top Gear back in the day
The mk1 viper actually handles well. With modern tyres.
Tyre techs come a long way.
I love the last generation of viper so much. Also what’s funny is they put this motor in the Ram pickup and called it the Ram SRT/10. The single cab got the manual 6 speed and the crew cab was auto. Insane truck
James may, Jeremy Clarkson, richard hammond car collection tour!
Thanks for featuring this American Icon 🇺🇸🤘🏻
this was my first favourite car and the only model car I ever built.
Yaasss love seeing content in my home land lol shout out from a Canadian in Ontario, and yes our speed limits are AWFUL
I would love to see him with one of the Modified Vipers running around with nearly 3000 HP
The Hennessey Vipers are the best tuned versions.
@@bicyclist2 😂😂
FYI: Posted limits in Ontario are simply a suggestion, Mike. It's perfectly acceptable to be doing 20 km/h over the limit on a country road with generally no issue. Hwy 401 has a posted limit of 110 km/h bit the median flow is 120 in the slow lane and 140 or above in the fast lane.
Alberta is crazy town. I've been passed in that province at 140 km per by Dodge dually's hauling loaded cow trailers! It's all relative.
When I was a kid, my dad told me the speed limit was actually the slowest you can drive in Ontario, and I should always go 20km over.
It's perfectly acceptable but police can still choose to ticket you if they have nothing else going on.
I remember when they first built this thing during development they were having handling issues. It had a problem called auger in if I remember correctly and took them quite some time to figure it out. But still handled like a boat. The current track version is a real weapon.
That you came to Ontario, Canada rather than the US is huge :)
And drove forks of the credit :)
My second favorite boyhood car, behind the 1997 lamborghini diablo sv. The gran turismo bit was so nostalgic lol
Video looks like it was shot in Caledon Ontario...............I recognize those roads and drive them regularly.
Nice to see Ontario on the big screen, and the beautiful twisty roads that are hidden away amongst the Niagara escarpment.
Ya. Those are my cousins cars and that is exactly where it is filmed
As said previously, welcome to CANADA! Not sure if Mike actually said the word 'Canada' but there was plenty of symbolism. And the car owner at least made reference to the fact that the episode was being shot up north.
If I remember correctly, the Viper had a record on the nurburgring for some time... and the first American car to do so.
Yeah the 08 acr held a top ten time for a while
I remember when the Viper was released the owner of the local Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth Dealer had one in the showroom, for a year and he drive it every sat through the park. It was ones that had the proper side pipes it was defiantly loud and a wild. Later on I bought a 2005 Dodge Ram SRT-10 Regular Cab with a Six Speed Manual... that was fun Truck too drive
Been a fan of the viper since I was about 8/9. Unfortunately they are very rare in my country (The Netherlands)
Great video guys! Hope you're enjoying your time in Canada! If you ever come out East to Nova Scotia, take a drive on the Cabot Trail...one of Canada's best driving roads! :)
One of my favourite cars! I really adore the first gen in particular and I have fond memories of dominating the competition with it in Juiced (it was a beast in this) among other games. Great vid!
Yes, the speed limit may be too slow here in Canada. (50-60kmh) But that has never stopped me from having fun. ;)
I'm sure it's a blast to drive a volkwagen jetta at 70kph
Awesome last scene, CanadaBoy...!
editing and transitions when showing GT gameplay and the real drive was FANTASTIC!
The edit on this video mixing in the GT gameplay was *chefs kiss*. Hats off to the editor!
That N64 game that was full of dodge vipers. That's where my love came for this car.
Viper RT/10, the iconic American game changer that has earned the honor to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Lamborghini Countach and the Ferrari F40.
Americans don't consider this a muscle car, even though it had more displacement than any muscle car ever. Its tiny next to a Dodge Challenger or Charger. It was Dodge's corvette beater, American style sports cars.
Considering that Maudsley in the UK developed an OHC engine in 1902, the OHC engine cannot really be considered “new school” when compared to an “old school” OHV engine.
That's not really accurate - Dodge had already been working on the V10 for the Ram pickup, so when the Viper was being developed, they had Lambo (because Chrysler owned Lambo at that time) refine the heads to flow better and be cast from aluminum.
The truck V10 isn’t anything like the Viper engine. The truck motor is, as you said, a stretched 5.9/360, the Viper engine has an aluminum block and heads, high-zoot internals (I think all forged, but I could be wrong) and induction parts and head design (maybe other stuff) developed in partnership with Lamborghini. They share bore centers and that’s pretty much all.
Also, I’m almost certain it’s ‘rapid transit’, not transport.
Mike is getting to be a real solid presenter! Looking forward to more interesting videos like this. Cheers!
I used to count how many vipers I saw on the road as a kid. I was hooked on the viper since day 1
Mike, next trip to Canada come to Alberta, 3373 KM west of where you were - speed limits are 100 on side roads - but they are nice and straight - with great visibility - JUST in case crime ( speeding) happens !!
The way you described the dual cam profiles sounded a lot like VTEC.
i assume most VVT systems are fairly similar, right? but yeah, that does basically just sound like VTEC
Those panel gaps! It’s a beast but I feel like you’d constantly have to pull over and collect parts that have fallen off 😁
The gen 2 viper has been my dream car ever since gran turismo 3 so many days spent wishing I could afford one
I have a Gen3 viper and it is a beast. Only one thing I don’t like is it is a rough ride-suspension is too stiff. So much weight is up front leaving the rear bouncing with every bump in the road.
Welcome to Canada drive tribe.Thanks for coming.
I'm suprised Mike didn't mention that Honda invented VTEC in 1989.
There was a Game called Viper Racing, too.1998 for Pc
Your Living my dream Mike, The Viper is all I would ever want
Great video! I love my 95! Glad to see people enjoying them to this day
V10, manual trans, rear wheel drive - what more do you need? Well, call me soft, but I do think windows that roll up and down should be standard on a road car. Don't need to be electric; just up and down would be nice.
The ACR is the pinnacle of US sports coupes.
I like the standard British / European looking down the nose at pushrod engines, "old tech even in the 90s". Errm, heard of the GM LS? Even the latest generation Corvette has pushrods, it really isn't uncommon over there.
Still doesn’t change the fact it’s old tech no matter how many American cars use them. By that logic, does that mean leaf springs weren’t old tech because a lot of American cars were still using them up into the 2010’s?
@@InputArchive Not saying it's not old tech, I mean the wheel isn't exactly a new concept after all. My point was more that it's not a special case at all, it's not like it's freakish. It does also allow for much more easily removed/fettled heads and lower weight distribution for big valve engines so it's still valid
@@smokeymotorsport To be honest, the dodge V10 is the only V10 I can think of having pushrods and it's probably the only Supercar that still had pushrods at that level of performance. (In my point of view, the Corvettes are sportscars, not Supercars). European supercars are much more about high reving engines which cannot be done with pushrods
Back from an era where displacement mattered. Nowadays you can get big power from any displacement or number of cylinders. But back then, the naturally aspirated V10 and V12 cars dominated. There is a lot to be had had for na torque vs forced induction torque though. Big naturally aspirated torque is a hole different ball game to forced induction torque. One is the real deal, the other is more of a cheat code. Mercedes had a 7.3L V12 and Dodge had an 8.4L V10. Bigger turbo's?? No, no, more displacement!
RT or Rapid Transit is a throwback to the 1960’s Dodge and Plymouth muscle car lineup and the brochures at the dealerships headlines that were titled Rapid Transit. I remember seeing them when I move to the US
5:09 - "How are you supposed to have any sort of fun...?"
The simple answer is that you're _NOT_ supposed to have any fun. Welcome on Ontario - fabulous scenery, some pretty nice roads, and yet still a horrible place to own a car.
I hope you enjoyed our fine country! Thanks for visiting!
G Turismo Transitions were SPOT ON!!
100 percent Gran turismo 1. Blue with white stripes. Nostalgia
Welcome to Canada, Mike! Nice to see DT doing content here.
that description of the engine development reminds me of the people who thought the V10 used in the HD trucks (not the SRT10) was the same as the viper just because it was also a 8 liter v10. Also that "muscle car" held track records all over the world for years.
True, say this is like a magnum is like said a Gallardo is just two VW 2.5 jettas... Even the block and head material is different, of course no talking about engine weight 600 lbs vs 820 lbs
The very first Need for Speed game had the Viper in it and since then I fell in love. Long nose, big loud engine, big tyers and just raw power 😊
If I could buy one crazy car it would have to be the last model viper they are completely unbelievable and so unique
And we will never see it ever again 😍😍😍👍👍
Kudos to the editor for those slick Gran Turismo cross-cuts.
I thought the Viper’s original engine was an aluminum version of the 8.0L iron block V10 for the trucks
Famous in the US for being 500 cu in even in tge first gen, maybe not until the 2nd
I love a Viper and everything about them!!
Thanks Mike. I’ve been looking forward to this. You’re only 50km away. Great job.
Idk about Canada, but the speed limits on many of the back county roads here in the US are more suggestions than rules lol
Most country roads in Canada are 80 km/h. 50 km/h is reserved for those parts that pass through residential areas.
I love v10s, especially the one they just dropped in the 90s ram 2500
The reason they went with the V10? The Magnum 5.9L V8 of the time was a hot pile of garbage, not powerful whatsoever. So they got the Magnum V10 out of the Ram, gave it to Lamborghini (Chrysler owned them at the time), and said, "Make it perform like nothing else." Lamborghini took the design, made it aluminum block, strengthened some parts, gave it the iconic Lamborghini-style dual intake manifold, and the Viper V10 was born.
The Magnum 5.9L, Magnum V10 and Viper V10 are all cousins, but the Magnum V10 wasn't actually released in a production vehicle until 94. The Viper V10 predated it and has a slightly different lineage from its truck counterpart.
This is my favorite car of all time. I too was taken by in in Gran Turismo.
Because it's simple! Big engine, in a cool car with racing suspension is all you need. You don't need 45 systems to do what? You just want force powering you ahead, reliably
Sorry for my possibly incorrect English.. But this is SICK production! True TopGear
When I won my high 8 figure lotto about 5 years ago I started shopping for Vipers. I now I have 4 a 2010 ACR a 2015 TA (in the glorious TA orange) a 2nd gen GTS and a plane Jane if you can call a viper plane Jane 2017. I am currently talking to a guy for an ACR-X that has seen a fair bit of track use but I think it will be too much car and I will have to hire a coach, which hurts the manhood a bit but it's the right choice.
Okay, those cuts from Gran Turismo gameplay to IRL footage was some pretty cool editing.
The granturimos to real life transitions are soo amazing!
Truly well done! Viper GTS is one of my favourite cars ever! if i had to choose between a viper gts or a buggatii, i would choose the viper in a heartbeat!