Is There Any Way To Avoid the Suiciders on Fixed Friday?
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- For today's episode of Fixed Friday I make one kill which extends into a second that was overly aggressive. In the 3 player endgame I am able to equalize my forces with the purple player with a fully losing record. We know we have to watch out for folks like that.
I was not able to recover from a suicide play. Another data point to show that the Classic Fixed GM is the highest form of GM.
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I share some strategic thoughts for the game of Risk: Global Domination.
Settings are:
Map: Classic
Mode: World Domination
Setup: Auto
Cards: Fixed
AI Difficulty: Expert
Turn Timer: 60s
Fog: Off
Blizzards: Off
Alliances: On
Dice: Balanced Blitz
Players are:
1st: Myself - Top Grandmaster
2nd: General Pho 11643 - Australia - Beginner
3rd: Expert AI
4th: Hilton Stringer 9 - USA - Expert
5th: Artis Kocak - France - Novice
6th: General Seta 12260 - USA - Novice
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/ thekillpetestrategy
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I hope you enjoy!
- Pete
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Some samples of my writing can be found here:
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purple was trying to keep a "clean" record, he panicked when he was in the lead and realized he might actually spoil his perfect record
I was thinking that to like a suicidal account. Where he plays for 2nd
I was in physical pain at the end when red absolutely would not move his stack out of Australia.
Could have easily made a comeback if purple accepted the alliance
Ya know it, no australia no win XD
Me at 2:17 "How the hell does someone have 67 games and ZERO wins? How is that even mathematically possible?" Me at 38:32 "Ah ok, yeah. That checks out."
Hahaha my thoughts exactly
Yup! Damnnn
To be successful in a Fixed game one has to understand diplomacy and working with others so as not to throw the game away. It's no wonder purple doesn't ever win. Pete, while you are primarily a prog player and have room to improve your fixed game, having watched your past 8 months or so of games, there is noticeable improvement in your fixed plays, and I hope you continue to learn fixed and enjoy it, because we certainly enjoy watching it. Thanks for all your videos!
I feel like I am improving as well. That's a lot of where the fun is for me.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy I played progressive for the first time this weekend and used some of your strategies! I tracked up to master this weekend as well. Thanks for your content. I've learned so much from you.
@@malloriesand7984 So happy to hear it and it's always a joy to me to hear that I've been able to help you improve your game.
That was probably purples best game and it was mostly due to the alliance he had with you then red attacks first and he still decides to suicide into you...wild
It happens.
Perhaps because Pete dared to take his beloved Europe.
As someone who almost exclusively plays fixed, it usually comes when a player takes smth personal. Attack their territory? face the consequences. Pressure their army? Pay for your sins. If you even seem to be a threat (this can range from having surrounded their armies, to having a large stack near, to even controlling the neighbouring continent) They will make sure that you burn in hell for your crime of attacking their unprotected continent. Even if your army is clearly larger, they will make it their life's goal to ruin you at all costs. Irrespective of if they still have a chance of survival or not.
I'm sure I deserved it in his mind at the time.
To summarize my probably unnecessarily long text: basically in fixed cards instead of trying to get to the 3 player situation as soon as possible by doing any possible kills, try to think what would be the most efficient way for you to get to it and with which players it would be the most ideal to end up with, so you would have a promising position. By doing that you increase the probability of being successful and minimize the chances of getting suicided on
I feel like everyone enjoys the depth of your analysis Champ.
Please use as many words as you'd like!
@@TheKillPeteStrategy it’s even better when he says “guys omg guys I cannot believe that just happened” 🤣🤣🤣
I like that, so for example, he shoulda denied purples europe and take kill purple first
@@nielzie97 kinda difficult to be honest, if he had tried to kill purple 1:everyone would see him as aggressive 2: he would have lost possibilities in Africa 3:in a sense he would be suicidal too and we kinda know what happens to them.
I don't think u can do better, given the circumstances, than Pete, at least at the beginning.
Plus even if he didn't kill the other players red would, or even worse other players would move into claimed Peter's territory which would be as bad.
At the end game the most reasonable play would be to have a purple territory of 1 defending at all times pete's stack, as was done for most of the time
I think because you're so good at prog, you tend to line up strings of kills, and that scares the crap out of inexperienced players. That's when blue broke the alliance and it all went down hill for you.
The trick with fixed is, by the time they realise you're good and in a good position, it should be too late for them to do anything.
I was trying to gain advantage. Turns out it was too late for me.
When he put your main stack in the Mid East just before he put it Brazil, I thought it would’ve been simple to boost the small force at Quebec and then either quickly or slowly build enough to secure North America.
Basically he had this game by the balls and blew it:
You blamed purple for being the worst player ever or something and yet you were worse than him and you should’ve won this game with the amount of extra reinforcements you had and opportunities to lock down continents and contain the others. Shame on you kill Pete shame.
purple is clearly a secondary account from one of the other colors and used as a suicide player
I'm 100% sure, purple was the alt account of magenta. First, we have to assume that you can't get a 0-67 ratio without doing it deliberatery (also looking at the game, purple was bad but not THAT bad). So it was obvious from the start that purple was a troll or a cheater (more likely a cheater because the troll would not be determined enough to play 40 minutes long game). It is also worth noting that magenta was the only one with enough wins to consider it as the purple's main account. If we assume that magenta and purple were the same player, all the questions suddenly get answers. Why did purple broke the alliance right after you killed magenta? What did purple take revenge for by suiciding at you? Why did magenta not even tried to conquer any continent (yes, maybe he did not have a good start but he could at least approach one of the continents, see if he can discourage/chase out someone and then eventually escape or take)?
Could be huh
agreed
I can see purple thinking... "Why aren't I catching up? I have a better continent!" yes... yes territory count does matter :P As for the Aussie turtle, I'd have my stack on Siam and just keep one of the spaces enemy held so the stack can leave if/when it wants
red owns the account of purple and uses purple as the suicide squad
Awful if true
I personally wouldn't have taken the double-kill. It could've went every direction with a player like purple in the game. Never give a bad player too much power. He won't be able to control it. Also, red obviously had no interest in anything but to sleep in Australia. I will never understand those players. So you were basically alone against the purple player and you were the one to make the move on him, without any help from red.
I would have much rather kept magenta alive, since he was a smart player from what I've seen. I like to have alliances with smarter players much more. You could've maybe given him a chance against purple, killed purple together with him and then easily teamed up against red. But idk, maybe that would've been even worse. That's just how I would've played it.
Solid take. The kill on magenta was the most important mistake of the game.
Yeah I think the double kill left Pete too weak where even with the terrible play by people and red he couldn't possibly come back to win
You blamed purple for being the worst player ever or something and yet you were worse than him and you should’ve won this game with the amount of extra reinforcements you had and opportunities to lock down continents and contain the others. Shame on you kill Pete shame.
I’ve really been enjoying your videos… Started playing RISK online and I’ve done pretty well with your tutorials and just watching your videos.
Some of my losses have been hard, because at least twice I only lost, because as suicide decided to go for me instead of the other big guy and worse than that, I play on an iPad, and I lost a great match one simply because I couldn’t attack enough territories before my time is up 😢
When Pete says “Well thanks, I’m concerned about you too.” 😂😂 That was so funny.
It's very concerning.
26:00 what would the other player be supposed to do? I mean, i obviously see that your advantage is better than theirs and that they have to act but what should they do to take your advantage?
Nothing beats breakfast served with Pete’s pumped biceps and triceps all over the screen 🍳💪
Lol thanks dude! Get PUMPED!
Hey Pete, at 35:40 you gave purple an olive branch. But what you did was threaten his europe and give him a free break in SA. What you could have instead done was left that 8 stack there and full stacked the rest on Texas. You can still be broken, but you aren't threatening Europe, and his only break is Asia, which is expensive and then and only then, you have a war. If you played it like this, it would be the closest true olive branch play that tells Purple "you can have Europe, I have NA, we have friendly borders, let's get Red out of the game". That would be your only other line of play you could have made to avoid the suicidal purple player
All the talk about red, in the end he still got the dub.
Probably lol
Nice work men! I learn a week seen your videos, yesterday I start to play on line, won the 🥇 place, i almost try to call you. ,,😆😂🤣
Wait, when there are multiple plus 2s, do you only get the middle one??
You get the first one.
Your sir are truely the Royce Gracie of Risk. You can literal beat up anyone in the world in a fair fight. But today you recognized a sociopath and still decided to fight him when he had a machine gun. I run and hide like a scarred dog with it’s tail
Between it’s legs in that situation. Hopefully you find the humor and compliment and don’t think I’m an asshole for saying that.
Honestly the way I played it gave me what I felt was the best chance to win.
Anyone being compared to Royce Gracie can't complain!
17:10 Genius! This is also how you can defend yourself from the AI potentially piercing your continent(s) when you worry on being just that one troop too few to discourage an AI attack. u just rush them with distractions to busy them with to re-attack. Sometimes u can sort of intuit based on previous turns and on AI size how many provinces per turn they will typically attack
Knowing how to deal with bots is a very important thing in risk, especially on those settings. They always play the same, so you just have to know the basics. I have at least one bot every game.
A lot of players intuition in that spot is to stack on defense which is such a huge miss since the bot has no instinct for self preservation and will hit stacks of any size
@@TheKillPeteStrategy in my experience all it takes is having one tiny more troop than your own for them to attack, though they don't always do this. they also have the propensity to hyper focus on one continent and so if you have it all owned, they may very well still be in the pursuing mode for it and then they'll death stack it till they have the slight advantage lol. I find AI important tho to make fixed card games not be too stale and predictable haha
@@xbox_cheeto5338 I always guard the ai with a 1 stack between them and my actual guard so they don't stack too large and are never really a threat. I also like to play fixed capitals the most because the inevitable stalemate is just less likely
@@wesleyowens4089 how is it less likely?
Before I came here, I was a follower of Artis Kocak. Such grace in his movements across the board lol
I don't know what that is
Hello Pete. One question I’ve had since subscribing. How do you enable fast attack mode? I’ve messed around with the game settings and haven’t found out how to do it yet. Is it something that’s purchased? Btw, I enjoy your videos a lot!
There is a design flaw in this game. The developers have mistakenly added a camera animation between each dice blitz. These animations are left on by default. This causes newer players to lose games to speed before they hopefully ask the question you did. I imagine many have quit entirely thinking they've lost for a legitimate reason rather than a design flaw.
In order to fix this for yourself turn off camera animations off in settings.
In order to fix this for everyone please open a ticket following this link:
riskdiscord.com/smg-ticket
And help me get these unfair animations removed from the game permanently.
Hey Pete is this fixed Friday?
Late to this one, but when you took pink if you would have went through red's 1 troop countries instead of going through purple's he probably would not have broken your alliance and would have helped you come in either 2nd or 1st.
Man you deserved to win this match. I can't believe players like purple exist😆
Lol, I don't waste any time engaging with the concept of deserve. I try to play my best game and analyze my mistakes critically.
just found this channel today. i fucking love u man
Welcome to the show! I love you too Dillon ❤️❤️❤️
Do you stream in American time?
I sure do!
Why didn't you push to reds main stack at 45:14 (or perhaps even earlier)? It would have allowed red to end the match in the next turn and decide who takes the 2nd place. Assuming red clicks faster than purple.
Possibly the best Risk UA-camr out there. And almost all GREAT content. (I found you first, and tried some others, keep finding my way back to you.)
But my goodness do you get salty when hit. I would probably not take it as well as you. But, the salt! XD
I assure you I'm secretly a really shitty person haha
@@TheKillPeteStrategy I mean, being super tired, really late at night, and really into the game. And some jerk decides to ruin the fun of the game. He could have just voted out.
But you try, you know? You are trying to be better, when you have your wits and emotions about you. Which is more important.
He who stops trying to better himself, has already given up on his own morality, if not his own humanity.
So confused why purple hit you. Like Red breaks purple. And purple attacks you. Very strange
Brand new to this I would like to play do I buy it in stream just called risk? Thank you
Risk Global Domination
@@TheKillPeteStrategy thank you i have it now!!
I dunno how to say Frankl but I do know how to say César Franck. I think they sound the same!
He's not German?
I've come across quite a few suiciders and sometimes it doesn't even make sense. I feel like it can make sense to cut the threat off but otherwise people just randomly hit into a large pile. I don't really do it unless I can take someone out
Things can appear random when they actually follow a pattern. I'm trying to understand the pattern so I can win more games.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy from personal experience, it usually comes when a player takes smth personal. Attack their territory? face the consequences. Pressure their army? Pay for your sins. If you even seem to be a threat (this can range from having surrounded their armies, to having a large stack near, to even controlling the neighbouring continent) They will make sure that you burn in hell for your crime of attacking their unprotected continent. Even if your army is clearly larger, they will make it their life's goal to ruin you at all costs. Irrespective of if they still have a chance of survival or not.
Hey Pete I have another in game question. Your quick dice blitz time was great but the way. When you attack you seem to hit a key on your keyboard to speed up the process. What is that. Means I could attack much quicker and be efficient with the 60 seconds. Cheers in advance
Turn off camera animations in settings.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy cheers dude. Very happy you are always willing to help the new players to increase their risk experience
I don't think he liked the threat from the 100 troops - he felt bullied. He is a new player, so he probably saw it as a declaration of war, Even though red broke him, he disliked you more for... some reason? Maybe the double-kill?
To add to that, since he had already fucked around with blue in the past he couldn't get back at red and risk creating two enemies. So he decided to commit to his idiocy.
The deconstruction of the mind of the noob!
@@TheKillPeteStrategy Makes me think of Jack Sparrow (replace the "honest" with noob and "dishonest" with experienced players):
“Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid.”
― Captain Jack Sparrow
All we are saying is give Pete a chance 🎵
LOL
it seems that purple wanted to negotiate more troops income from continents for him self and for you, but you denied it multiple times by keeping him only on europe; where you could split 2/3 of world; trade in asia and end game for red faster
I don't think so. But maybe
UFB (un givling believable) What I would have done when purple broke you giving his record is just pull back into South America and hope red might understand that he should come out of his shell and try to take some territory. Purple would then most likely get in a deathmatch with red and then you'd find a win. IMHO you should not have exposed yourself at all to red.
Yeah
played on roman empire map today, round 1 a guy suicided into me and then by round 3 , myself and him were both eliminated.. i will NEVER understand why someone would do that... he had a troll name too, probably a smurf/alt account or something... really frustrating... the other players felt bad and were trying to protect me and go after him on my behalf, which was thoughtful... still couldn't recover my army
I would have to agree, fixed is a very difficult format
I like that there are still pieces of the game that are extremely challenging so that I am still able to find my growth edges
Furthermore...would it be possible to add into your commentary in one of your next videos to talk through the difference with fixed and progressive. You commented 'its like some people don't know how to play risk'. I am coming back to the game like a lot of people and your popularity is bringing a lot of new players. I am sure that they/I would benefit from any small details to improve the player experience. Hope that's cool
I made a tutorial video for beginners last week. That's a good place to start.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy yeah I saw bits of the tutorial but haven't managed to watch the entirety. Personally love the 20/30 min battle vids. As your audience is growing exponentially I just thought to mention it briefly when you introduce the game type might be of benefit to new subscribers. Either way, you are smashing it and as always appreciate your interactions.
When purple broke your continents you could have taken Iceland.
People who suicide just ruin the game. You could be winning, and they can't be bothered to continue playing. So they just chuck everything at you so you lose. Really good time, no avoiding it. Sometimes YOU are the chosen one.
Reds the one that breaks purple…yet he still suicides into Pete
Not saying it would have been the best, but my play would have probably been to keep the green bot and the pink player alive, while eventually seeking to eliminate red (waiting till the time when you would be sure that after taking him out it wouldn't give too much power to purple in contrast with you and pink combined, and probably it would have been good for you that the bot in North America would have become relatively strong). Then staying in Australia passive and letting the purple player deal with green bot and pink.
The red player like immediately ended up blocking his Australian army on purpose showing that he will be the most passive player ever, so that immediately lets realize that he would be one of the worst players to end up in the 3 player endgame so unless you would be in the dominating position.
As usually you would like to end up with 2 the least passive players. And Australia is usually the best place for that as usually lower public lobby games go like this: two bigger players over attack each other giving the Australian player the win. And if you're one of that bigger players when the Australian player is very passive, then it could be a nightmare for you, as if you fight that other player alone, then he will over attack you giving the Australian player the game, or if you stay as passive, then that another player wins.
This comment is not to criticize or something, my gameplay isn't perfect either and I make a lot of mistakes. And again, every situation could be very individual and depend on what type of players you're playing with, but hopefully these will be some useful guidelines and might even a bit answer to your question in the title.
Or another possible play instead of taking green and pink out I might have gone with, is to just to keep hoarding troops with South America and Africa and wait till the purple player himself makes some bigger attacks with you expecting that he would highly weakens himself.
I appreciate your creative approach to solving the problem. I think I doomed myself by giving the suicider too much power in the vain hope that he would use it wisely
Peoples behaviors are so unpredictable in public lobbies I don't think there's a way really.
I don't agree. In any individual case sure, it's challenging to predict but if you put in enough repetitions you will begin to see the underlying patterns behind player behaviour
Fixed should just be renamed 'revenge'
I think what pissed him off was taking hits on some of his states IE India. (Thinking it's the start of a war and just waiting thinking your a fool for not guarding)
I think he lost patience rather than got pissed
I don't think there is a way to avoid some suicide attacks, seems some players just see red and decide to kill you no matter what the board looks like
The only thing that makes sense is that Red and Purple are either the same player or were communicating. Purple has ZERO wins, Red sits there and turtles for 90% of the game attacks Purple, and Purple responds by suiciding into you. It’s so illogical that it simply has to be malicious
The purple suicider is bad, but oh my god, that red still turtling after he has double of both pete and purple troops is a whole other level of stupid
They are still playing the same game 😁
Little late to the party, but Frankl in German is pronounced like Fr+ "uncle"
I've just played a game and basically I was going to win the game with the blue as we were protecting each other until he went offline at the last second, enough for the bot to suicide on me. Literally everyone spamming laughing emojis
I'm a fresh beginner and already have like 5 wins in fixed.. purple is playing the wrong game lmao
Endgame hurts to watch. I would've probably reported red for stalling lmao
Haha the thing is reds Strat was correct in context. He won
Ouch. I've seen you really close to loosing, then hang on for second or the win.
How do you report cheaters? Fucking sick of playing with losers who conspired and suicide to ruin your chance it’s getting so I will never play this game. Need to know if there is actually anything being done?
You can report them in game.
Click on the player and the triangular ! symbol
Risk seems to be way to vulnerable to griefing. While most competitive games have the whole "net zero" winners and losers, Risk allows a player to just straight ruin another players game without consequence. Normally a game would have a punishment system for these type of players.
Kind of agree, but at the same time, I think playing like that is an auto-lose for the player who suicides into another player. Plus, I have no idea how such a system could be implemented from a purely practical point of view.
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Fixed Friday is Fixed Friday we are fixing the Friday and what can the chat do about it.
They can enjoy the show?
@@TheKillPeteStrategy indeed :D
So curious what the link was lmfao
Probably a rick roll
That was impressive levels of bad. Like, these players should be put behind glass and studied by top scientists levels of bad.
🤣🤣🤣
these are some of the worst players I've seen, glad I haven't encountered people like this yet. I think the worst record I've seen was something like 40 wins to 600 losses, but I host my own games so I kicked them before they got a chance
That was probably me 😂😂😂
I hear that. I don't think I really want to start filtering my lobby but yeah an 0-67 record should not make the cut. The risk is too high you die accidentally.
When i was doing strictly automatch- i take 2nd in the 3 player end game if i ever lose inevitability. Better to take the minimal skillpoint gain then lose the hour you worked and come third.
Sure but I was on the cusp of earning a lead. You're saying at that point I suicide purple before he sucides me.
My audience would have a shit fit if I played like that.
eh the audience might not like it-
but the facts are that you have a turtle who will not meaningfully progress the game.
and an idiot whos not smart enough to choke the turtle with you.
you dont suicide purple- you kill red the moment your stronger.
Maybe not have invaded Africa but only europe
Yeah I pushed my luck and was punished
God, I hate suicide plays so much.
How do you expect shaming to effect a person set upon zero wins?
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@@TheKillPeteStrategy Zero wins purple suicides into you. Your response was to publicly express your negative assessment of that action. Purple has different criteria for success than first place. Does your reaction further or hinder purple's hidden agenda?
@@xaniaxax1426 now I get what you're saying.
I'm making a television show.
Instead of vik-ter it is pronounced vik-tor and the last name instead of frankle should be more of a Fran-kel
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If those two other players are so bad how did you lose?.. they didnt team up on you.. you simply got outplayed and got your ass whooped by purple.. he must be a natural as it dodnt take him 5000 hours of play to beat you.
It's a valid point. The proof is in the pudding.
@@TheKillPeteStrategy all jokes aside.. and I was just joking around.. I get what happened 😆 I love your videos man.. they are fun to watch.. I just finished the 5 plus hour game one.. I have never played the computer version of risk but grew up with and still have the physical game.. in any case I was joking man😆 I fully intend to try some stuff I saw from you next time the board comes out.. you are indeed a great player 🤘
It’s comically laughable how atrocious some players are at this game🤣 I knew as soon as purple started guarding borders he wasn’t gonna be a trustworthy ally for long…. Then we saw what happens soooo often: the tide turns in the favor of a player who actually has a clue (Pete) and then purple decides to slop their miniscule wee wee on the table and suicide you. Yeah, really showed you (*sarcasm*)
I’d be interested to have seen how long trash red took to wipe purple, my guess is the game went on for at least a dozen more turns as red guards Indonesia with a 100 stack from that super threatening 9 stack LULZ🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the salt is real. Fixed is a better game imo than progressive.
This is probably my fav game i watched you play. The entire time youre like, this dude is going to kamikaze into me, and then red broke him in europe and I thought, Purple would kamikaze into red. But no... He still went for you LOL. What a moron player, no brain idiot. Amazing game. Really entertaining.
Jeez why so salty that a person is bad at a game lmao