For anyone interested: Kim is living her best life as a single girl nowadays, she broke up with Matt after she had to move for work and they fought about it, then Matt flew to make things up with Kim AND TOOK HIS MOM WITH HIM 💀 Matt threw a tantrum in a restaurant as Kim left him
The interaction between the lingerie shopkeeper and the mother is a great example of what happens when a narcissist meets someone who hasn't been subjected to their manipulation. Their whole house of cards is threatened.
Literally, the shopkeeper being weirded out and trying to calmly explain to the mother that her son has his own life now and that she’s no longer his biggest priority as a soon to be married adult was probably one of the only times her ideals were challenged and of course she got very defensive
narcissism and manipulation/abuse are extremely different things, ones a disability the others a terrible person and should not be used interchangeably since its ableist
You guys don’t understand, I watched this show in full and when he gives Kim the lingerie she’s actually super excited until, as she’s looking at the robe, Kelly walks into the room wearing the exact same one. Kim is so flabbergasted and ends up going to bed because she doesn’t know what to say or do and then mat STAYS DOWNSTAIRS with his mum to chat and have a cup of tea instead of go talk to Kim and make sure she’s okay. Mind you as they’re having their tea Kelly and Matt are like ‘idk what her problem was’
That is fucking insane! What??? Like I know it’s cause the abuse and weird emotional incest has gotten deep but how the fuck can you lack so little empathy as to not even see how distraught someone is like that!! Fucking insane honestly
I was a bridesmaid in my ex friends wedding five years ago. We had just finished the rehearsal when I noticed the groom’s mom crying so I sat next to her and asked what was wrong. All I could make out was “she’s taking him away from me” so I quickly motioned for one of the grooms men to take over and abandon ship. Fast forward to two days later at the wedding. I’ve told the bridesmaids what happened so we’re all on high alert. His mom shows up looking depressed and apathetic but she doesn’t say anything. The ceremony finishes and we leave for photos. Meanwhile, brother of the groom leaves photos early to go check on their mom who is complaining of heart pain. She ends up going to the ER where they tell her nothing is wrong and it all doesn’t take longer than our photos because we arrive at the reception at the same time. She’s pissed the groom didnt go the hospital with her because “she could’ve died” and the groom tells her he would have if his brother thought it was serious. MIL looks like she’s about to say something else but she just storms off and finds her table. Finally it’s time to eat and the brides dad finished praying for the food and thanking everyone for coming. No one else is supposed to give a speech right now! But MIL gets up and takes the mic from the brides dad. She turns to the front table instead of the guest and - dead serious - asks the groom into the mic “I thought you loved me” and it sounds like she’s on the verge of tears. It couldn’t have been more than thirty seconds of silence but it felt like minutes. The groom laughs to dissolve the tension and says he does love her… more silence. Eventually MIL turns back towards the guests and thanks everyone for coming. She sits back down at her table and doesn’t get up for the rest of the night. Apparently MIL avoided the bride after the wedding until they got pregnant and now they’re one big happy family again It’s my favorite wedding story that I will NEVER shut up about.
Weddings really bring out the worst in toxic family members. I will give my in laws credit, there were no fake medical emergencies, but there was their typical theatrics. They made no effort to help plan or pay for anything until a month before the wedding (if you know anything about weddings you know that a month before everything is pretty much done besides maybe a few final payments. We told them the only thing that needed to still be taken care of was paying my husband’s aunt and uncle who were catering, and maybe help them if they wanted help. They agreed, but on the wedding day it came out that they definitely didn’t help, and possibly didn’t even pay his aunt and uncle. Also, his parents had asked me multiple times if we were having a rehearsal dinner. I said no since it was a smaller, more laid back wedding I didn’t see the need for one. They mentioned nothing to me about wanting to host one. A few weeks before the wedding, my husband came home and said that his parents would be hosting a rehearsal dinner and they had sat down and planned it all out. Of course, I talked to my husband about how I should’ve been involved and I felt they had purposely excluded me by “happening” to plan this all out when I just happened to not be there. On the invite they sent out to our wedding party, the only thing they said was “Shane wanted tacos, so that is exactly what we’re having”. At the day of the rehearsal dinner his mom asked if I was doing a dance with my dad, I said yes. She then asked my husband if he had been practicing for their dance. He said yes but he looked confused. When we left, he told me they had not ever talked about what they’d be doing for a mother-son dance. The day of the wedding, my in laws showed up probably 30 minutes-1hr (being generous) before guests. We assumed they were with his aunt an uncle helping them with the catering. Until, his aunt showed up to set up the food thinking they had been at the venue. His aunt also made a comment that led us to believe that my in laws had not paid her. But, it is her sister so I don’t think she wanted to out right say anything to make her mad. When it came to the father-daughter, mother-son dance. In the middle of our ceremony, they were still trying to figure out what they were doing. His mom apparently wanted to do the dance from pulp fiction. I told my husband I don’t know the song title (I genuinely don’t, to this day 😂), so they would have to figure it and tell the DJ. My fil (while we were trying to eat our dinner) came up and told me that when the song was about to end, the DJ would ask everyone to come to the dance floor. At that point, they wanted me to come up and start dancing with my husband and he would come up and start dancing with my mil. Well, when it came time for their dance, it wasn’t the right song (there was no wifi at our venue, the DJ graciously tried to go across the street to download the song to his software, but my in laws either told him to change it or the DJ improvised). Either way, when the song was ending the DJ made the announcement for everyone to come to the dance floor. As planned, I did, but my fil didn’t. My mil threw her hands in the air and walked off. I assumed she was mad at her husband, not me since he’s the one who didn’t follow through. But, I am the evil witch taking her son away so it was my fault apparently 😂😂 When we got our pictures back, my fil managed to smile in most, but my mil looks miserable in every picture. They also asked what colors to wear, & we told them our them was very light pinks, greens, & even neutrals, but they shower up in the darkest navy blue you could find, not sure if they were making a statement of rebellion, mourning, or both (I didn’t care what them or any guest wore, I just found it funny the specifically asked because they “wanted to know what to wear” & then did the exact opposite). Also, I know some of this falls on my husband for not standing up for me and telling them I needed to be involved with the rehearsal dinner, or communicating more with them about the wedding. However, their relationship has never been perfect & they have (at least since we’ve been together) done things that only encourage him to avoid them.
@@heyemilayythe song is “you never can tell” Chuck Berry, and that would take so much practice and then end up being so awkward for a mother-son dance 😂 your in-laws sound nuts
The kind of relationship Matt has with his mom Kelly is called Covert Incest. “Covert incest is described as occurring when a parent is unable or unwilling to maintain a relationship with another adult and forces the emotional role of a spouse onto their child instead.”
Bingo. Came here to say this. I survived sexual abuse from my father and unfortunately he was the one who bought my underwear into my teens. I've been free from any contact with him for years now and it was the best choice I ever made.
Kelly makes me so uncomfortable. She fully has raised her son to be fully emotionally dependent on her as a FULLY GROWN 27 year old man. She also is fully incapable of acknowledging that her son is a fully grown man that can make his own decisions and can have his own life separate from her. Not to mention her constantly othering and belittling Kim. I truly believe that Kelly thinks that she is the only woman that is supposed to be in her sons life. The way that she treats her potential daughter-in-law is utterly disgusting. At this point I truly think Kim should just leave. Because the amount of work that Kim is going to have to do to get Matt to understand that his mother is way overstepping her boundaries in his life is so much even before getting a therapist involved. to speak about the stuff
my mom tried that crap with me and is now doing it to my younger sibling. it's infuriating to see that my now 23 year old sibling is still being kept at home despite them wanting to move out .. I'm a parent too and as parents we should strive to make sure our kids will be able to support themselves! my kids are still small but I'm already teaching them important life skills that they will need when they're older.
I'm 27, still living at home for multiple different reasons, and my mum would have a second heart attack if me or my brothers were this dependent on her.
My mother-in-law has been so supportive, loving and accepting. I’ve been married for almost 7 years and on a vacation with the family I said, “He is amazing, he’s my best friend and teammate. He’s everything I’ve wanted.” She responded with, “That’s all I’ve wanted to hear. I raised him to be this way and I’m so proud.”
Same here, my MIL is like my second mom. She’s one of the coolest people in my life and I love that I get to be part of her family, and I feel like I can talk to her about anything. I literally can’t imagine my mil doing anything even close to this.
"You weren't cooking for him" girly if your son is almost 30 years old and doesn't know how to cook his own food to the point that he's losing dramatic amounts of weight if someone doesn't cook for him, YOU should be embarrassed 😭😭 you have this uber close relationship with your son and in almost 30 years of life never taught him to cook? 0/10 parenting, what do you think your job is??? That's actually so embarrassing for you
Thankfully, they did end up breaking up after Kim took a job in Texas. I'm so fucking happy for her, she's out there living her best life without that man-child and that sociopathic bitch Also after the break-up, he claimed that Kim "broke Kelly's heart", which is the dumbest shit I've ever heard because Kelly got exactly what she wanted in the end
She was only "heartbroken" because her son was upset by it, and it was probably something Kelly told Matt (which she knew was a blatant lie) to manipulate him into resenting Kim more.
@@kaitlynmorgan4613 He's going to live with her until she dies, then he's going to be so confused as to why he doesn't have a life or family. Unless something happens between now and then that shows him how incestuous this relationship is, he's going to be unable to form a real relationship with anyone else. Just the way his momwife wants.
“I don’t think we’ll have any problems” WE??? WE??? WHAT PROBLEMS WOULD Y O U HAVE WITH YOUR SONS SEX LIFE. this episode has me rolling and recoiling. i would 100% have to leave the floor if i was working in that store the same day
Unfortunately emotional incest is far more common than we like to think. It’s when an unhealthy and toxic parent (usually narcissistic and abusive) will have no boundaries with their child and put them into the role of their spouse, using them as a therapist. Saying things like (especially egregious when they’re young) “you understand me better than dad/mom ever did, you’re so mature, I don’t know what I would do without you etc). Not just as a therapist, but will essentially trap them into being the supportive role, in a deeply unhealthy and abusive way. More often than not, sexual abuse is brought into the equation. It causes an extreme lack of personal boundaries. I hope this man eventually gets therapy and cuts off his toxic mother.
Just imagine Valentine’s Day rolling around and the gf being like “omg this is so nice” and Matt has to be like “thanks my mom helped me pick it out!she has the exact same one”
That shop keeper is an absolute queen. Tackling the issues, as Annamarie said, firmly but gently. I'd never expect a shop worker to say something like that but here it's sorely needed. Her standing up for Matt like that was amazing. What a legend of a woman!
This is my first time hearing negative connotations around the term, "mama's boy". Speaking as a Cis gendered Straight 18 year old Indian man, I always thought of the term as something proud to call oneself, a man who loves and is close to his mother because I grew up being more close to my mom. But I would never go this freaking far holy shit. I still want to live independently perhaps even provide for my parents after retirement and not want to be overly dependent. But this grown man is taking it too freaking far and this is by Indian standards where joint families and arranged marriages are very common and where we do ask our parents for advice on relationships. This man is taking the word "motherfucker" too seriously.
My husband is a "mama's boy" in that he loves and respects his mother and it taught him to respect all women. She once said, "if my kids meet partners and have their own careers and their own lives, it means I've been successful as a parent". My MIL is the best. Matt is the worst for allowing his mother to turn him into a grown child who can't make a decision on his own- that's a failure on Kelly's part.
I work at an adult store and I totally feel for the lingerie store workers at 15:17, you’d be surprised how many people come in with their parents and it’s so uncomfortable every time
Like, mothers with their daughters buying stuff for the daughter or parents with the child buying stuff for the significant other? Idk, buying something for the potentials child-in-law sounds worse somehow
@@ononono7016 It definitely does seem worse. I think its because if it's something just for the adult child it's not inherently sexual. But if its to please their partner and they're shopping with their parent ...., that,, that IS inherently sexual. It's TMI.
We need a petition for TLC to make a new show where they send all their reality stars to real therapy. That would be fun TLC, I promise! *please do it TLC I’m literally begging*
I'm glad you called it out as emotional incest. A lot of people don't know that's a thing and that it often takes place in conjunction with emotional abuse.
The amount of death stares from Kelly against the shopseller in this episode is baffling... She always seens ten seconds away of ripping her throat with her ring (which is, lets not forget, bigger than her daughter in law)
I almost went out w a guy just like this when I was younger. It was SUPER creepy (It's a long story but funny). I was 21, still living in Japan. My obaasan (gma) tried to set me up w her neighbors sons since they were friends. The neighbors son (24) invited me on a date and I picked him up on the day of w my car. He greeted me with a half dying plant (it had clearly been laying arnd his moms house + in Japanese culture thats a pretty big faux pas/ insult to not give something healthy/ fresh as a gift). I was so thrown off by the zombie plant that when he put the address into the GPS for our date location I didnt notice anything odd. I followed the GPS but I got super confused when we arrived at a large multi-level electronic store (not the cool kind, more rundown for refurbished goods). I thought maybe he had put the address in wrong. Nope...our date was at AN OUTDATED ELECTRONICS STORE. We walked around while he talked non-stop about his mom than we ate stale corn dogs in the crappy cafe where there was 0 chairs. It was so awful. I hurried the date along as fast as I could than drove him home. Before he got out of my car he sheepishly told me didn't want to date rn and that he needed to focus on finishing his engineering degree but hoped we could be friends till he was done with school, than date. He invited me in for tea with his mom and to paly video games. I had just listened to him go on and on about his codependent relationship w his mom. He explained his dad had cheated on her and divorced her for another woman so now she cldnt stand being alone. After his dad left she used her son as a sudo-husband. Creepy. I had a feeling so I asked if he had decided this no dating idea on his own or if his mom had. He paused than said she thought it of it and she knew what was best for him. He said she helped him decide a lot of his life for him. They did almost everything together (even some weird stuff like massages, bathing (w swimsuits on) sleeping in the same bed etc.). I was FULLY weirded out. I'm mixed Japanese but I grew up in France and USA so I tend to be way more direct than most Japanese people. I said I found their relationship very creepy and I didn't want to have tea w his mom or date him 1 day. He got mad and huffed out of the car. Later His mom started bad mouthing me online, while posting TONS of pictures of her and her son vacationing and eating out as if to gloat that she "won". It wasn't that he didn't have time to date me, he was super busy because he was dating him mom. My obaasan was so grossed out and said " I dodged a bullet". To this day whenever they come by my Obaasans house now she asks him if he has a GF. He's 30, still single and still never left his moms.
I could NEVER put up with dating a man like that, my god. as a victim of abuse myself I know it's difficult to escape, especially when it's really cyclical, but holy shit there's only so much you can expect another person to go through (usually cishet) women please do yourself a favour and consider when it's time to bail. sometimes you just deserve better
@@shortangel333 literally I'm a gay trans man dating two trans men who are also abuse survivors, none of us put each other through shit like this cishets get better soon ig
It's the little things like how Kelly uses "we" in conversations with Matt that just completely deny his personhood. Like when Matt brings up getting engaged to Kim and Kelly just goes "I think we could think about it". I hope they both get therapy
Are we not gonna say anything about the fact Kelly said “I think we are about the same size” when they were at the lingerie store shopping for Kim💀💀💀 WHY WAS SHE COMPARING THEIR SIZES 😭😭😭
Sigmund Freud was an ill individual who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near vulnerable people. And I wish people would stop bringing the man up 😭💀😅
The lingerie shop owner represents all of us. If you're gunna go to a lingerie or sex shop, go with your partner, close friends who are comfortable with that kind of stuff, or go by yourself. This whole situation was very awkward.
As someone who worked a lingerie store for a few years, while this would be strange, you have no idea how much people will divulge to you about their sex life because your store sells teddies. One time I had some woman call and ask me to help her pick something out because she was having sex for the first time in 15 years tonight. I was on the phone with her discussing her last fifteen sexless years for over an hour. And trust me trying to assist men pick something is almost impossible, because they have no idea what size their SO is. They always compare her to you. “She’s exactly your size but like a foot taller and has bigger hips and breasts.” Great, thanks, perfect very helpful.
I’m super late, but your comment just reminded so much of my mom. She worked in a lingerie store and always told me those funny stories about how awful it was to pick something out for women she didn’t know in a size that was described as „about this big“ with hand gestures 😂😂
Realistically what happens when kelly dies? Matt is so emotionally dependent on her not to mention the fact that he's burned every single bridge other than the one with Kelly That when she dies he's going to be completely alone It's a little hard to feel bad for him but you got to realize that he's been completely manipulated by his mother and the end of this road is very lonely
I argue there shouldn't be any gendered energy around getting your nails done. It's taking care of another part of our bodies ans if you get your nails coloured or fake nails - it's just body modification
@@smartcakes303 Fair point, I also don't think getting nails done is an inherently ~feminine~ thing. However, the majority of society sees it as feminine, so regardless. Even if someone DOES try to pin the "oh it's feminine!" thing on men who get their nails taken care of... So what? it doesn't diminish or decrease masculinity or "manliness" unless you allow it to. Haha
As an autistic adult, I am unfortunately more dependent on my parents when it comes to finance, managing my medical disorders, and allowing me to live with them while I work part-time. I have no interest in dating/marriage as I’m asexual and aromantic. And being a woman, I’m automatically infantilized by society because of my gender. I don’t get along great with my parents…so I don’t understand this situation 100%…….but I think when we discuss the topic of ‘momma’s boy’ we need to remember that many people, autistic and otherwise, do need to lean on their parents well into their 20s and possibly longer for some people. Especially when developmental disorders are paired with physical disabilities. I can’t drive, for example, but I used to be able to do now I feel like I’m in high school again waiting for rides to work. I’m judged a lot even though I desire independence and my mother in particular is very controlling while my father has a god complex. And I’m 27. If one-sided enmeshment is a thing, then I’m a victim of it.
I'm currently watching the 3rd season of "I love a momma's boy" and I just wanna say... Kim dodged a fuckin bullet Long story short: Kim has a job opportunity and is asked to move to Texas for a year, she asks Matt to go with her because they got engaged at the end of Season 1 and HE'S the one who calls her selfish despite the fact he's building their house in HIS MOTHER'S BACKYARD. She goes anyways, realizes that she's better off without him and breaks off the engagement when Matt and Kelly (Who wasn't fuckin invited) come to visit. Also, Matt and Kelly barely included Kim leading up to this.
NOOO because the way I audibly GASPED when they went lingerie shopping together, and he got his mother and girlfriend THE SAME ROBE!!!! 💀🤮🙀 d i s g u s t a n g!!!
the cut from kelly messing with the flowers to suddenly having a flower tucked behind her ear was absolutely hilarious i am choosing to only remember this moment so i can stop cringing
As someone who was a victim of a narcissist and emotional incest, matt really needs to get out of that situation because deep down, it DOES feel wrong for someone to treat you like that and insert themself into your relationships. Kelly is taking matts ability to have long-form and close relationships. Especially people who could tell him whats wrong with how his mom is treating him. Now, he is an adult so other people cant do as much as they might want to.
The ring thing baffles me. My wedding set was my mother in laws. She stopped wearing it a few years after her husband passed and she offered it to me as an option when my husband and I were getting engaged. I love it and it reminds me of her everyday. But she wasn't weird or possessive over it.
Everytime I see someone bring this show up I immediately just think about how much therapy every single person who's ever been on a tlc show like this needs. Smothered is another version of this show with all genders iirc and the level of codependency is literally terrifying it smells like either incest or emotional abuse
@@sophiathefurbst To clarify, in case OP doesn't know; both implies only 2 genders, when there's many genders, especially when taking a pan-cultural consideration of gender identity. So saying 'all genders' would make more sense.
@@sophiathefurbst THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME THIS!! I'm quite literally somewhere under the nonbinary umbrella and highly questioning my gender... the internalized cishet normativity jumped out unconsciously when I made this comment (╥﹏╥) I definitely meant both binary genders
I just had knee surgery and I (being a lesbian) told a girl I liked her and got rejected, but watching your videos has been a good way to cope with the pain. ❤️
I’ve shut my mom down for talking shit about my last girlfriend. I’ve hid that I’ve had boyfriends from her. Point being sometimes the best thing is to shut out your family. Expecially when they aren’t supporting that you even have someone you love
Lmao literally, my mother does this with even my friends. Just last night she said for the ten thousandth time that my best friend acts a little crazy, complete with an eye roll of course, because I was genuinely bummed about something and thought maybe for once I could talk to her about it. Obviously I was reminded why I never never ever tell her anything ever
I agree! Your family and your relationship should always be an arms length away if you know there's tension or could become tense. Your family and parents don't need to be so involved to where they feel comfortable giving you their brutal opinion
@@RebelPlague13 not even that for me it’s two things: one is if you have a toxic family, like this guy has with his overly jealous mother, then do the smart thing. The other is your parents shouldn’t be knowledgeable on who you’ve fucked. Just in general. If I had a kid and I knew who they fucked I’d drink a fresh bottle of bleach.
This gave me literal chills!!! I'm a 21 yo girl and my mom has actively been trying to get me to the state which Matt is in. It's an actual nightmare full of emotional manipulation, gaslighting, and controling behavior.
I’m a 21 year old woman too and I haven’t lived with my dad since I was 16 however I would say he’s very similar to Kelly. There’s some definite covert incest vibes going on between me and my father and I’m sick of it. He’s extremely dependant on me and treats me as if I’m his girlfriend but there as far as I know isn’t too much sexual stuff going on, just emotional.
@@nerdbites2212 the damage incompetent parents can do is fascinating to me children live without knowing anything's wrong and the parents just keep refusing to work on their behavior
My grandma got into a huge fight with my dad when he found out that she told my mom on their wedding day "you need to satisfy my son. You need to be ready to make love to him whenever he wants it." My dad set hard boundaries after he found out but my uncle did not do the same any of the times he got married, I wonder why those failed...
Once upon a time, my very religious grandmother bought me lingerie for my birthday. I was 13. Turns out she was off her meds, and has returned to the usual gifts of sudoku books and socks, but this video gave me war flashbacks.
She should be happy that someone obviously loves her son enough to put up With all of this. I could imagine that ring Kelly wears is a “promise ring” Matt gave her
I can only really feel bad for Matt, because my mom was emotionally overbearing and abusive to both me and my brother. I can see my brother going in that direction because of how manipulative my mom is, and because I moved away and she has no other victim. Kelly is definitely manipulative and forcing Matt to be dependent, and Matt is most likely terrified of what she'll do to him if he does put his foot down. From my experience, putting your foot down to this type of mother is terrifying, and although it's necessary, he most likely won't be able to do it because of how much foundation Kelly set for this behavior.
Yes! I grew up with so little autonomy that decision making is often paralyzing. And figuring out what I want to do as a profession is near impossible. It's hard to build relationships and know how they should function when you don't start out with a model of a healthy relationship.
yeah, it's kinda sad how people are judging him as if it's his fault he's in this situation, like of course he doesn't "just stand up for himself" he's lived his entire life this way under her grasp as someone extremely sheltered by their mother, it's not as easy as people think to just tell them off, as much as i would like to people who are like "i just shut them down when they do that" are people who have healthy relationships with their parents and have no idea what the difference is
My mom and I watch this show all the time. In the latest season, there's a guy named Ethan who calls his mom a MILF and literally grinds on her! I have gagged several times while watching their interactions! 😃👍
I think when she said, "I don't think WE'LL have any problems," it was a veiled threat to her son who maybe has expressed that he's had some performance problems or anxiety surrounding intimate activities in the past and in order to prove that she raised a "perfectly normal, cishet son" she's doing everything in her power to reinforce her toxic belief system. Or maybe I'm reading into this too deeply.
I don't think you're reading too much into it at all. I feel like an asshole and don't want to make surface level assumptions or reinforce stereotypes but I get the vibe that Matt would have intimacy issues with any woman he dates. The guy needs to get away from his abusive mother, get a qualified therapist and find himself a good man. He deserves to be happy and live his own life.
A few months ago, I broke up with my ex of 5 years. There were multiple reasons that led to me no longer loving him, but a lot of them boiled down to him being a major mama's boy. Not to the point of Matt here because holy shit that codependency is concerning and he needs so much therapy to ever be a normal adult. But damn, my ex listened to his parents for everything, sided with them over me all the time, and every single holiday we had to either spend it together with his family, or spend it apart with our own families. He abandoned plans last minute with me, leaving me to scramble to figure things out, because his mommy needed him to stay home. He refused to move away from them and wanted me to give up on my dreams just to avoid moving more than an hour away from his parents. We talked for the first time since our breakup, and he talked all about how much he loves this TLC show, only to say "i thought about moving out but my parents are right and I should live with them longer to save money!" like two minutes later, and not see the irony AT ALL. Women who brainwash their sons to be this dependent on them are doing their sons no favors. Parents should WANT their children to be independent and successful! Parents who get jealous or angry and insist on hampering their childrens' development are practically criminal and it's such a tragedy to see. I hope Kim got out of that relationship and finds a man who can actually be a life partner instead of a glorified toddler.
I've said this in a different video and I'll say it here... The mom looks exactly like Tim Curry as pennywise, especially when she has the creepy pennywise smile.
I have a close relationship with my mother and self-identify as a "mama's girl", but like for the most opposite reason that is presented in this show. Me and my mother have clear boundaries and good communication, which makes me trust her and rely on her when needed, but also I have my space when I need it and it gets respected. To be fair to Matt my mother is a psychiatrist and a therapist, so that obviously helps a lot with keeping our relationship healthy, because she has you know... heard of boundaries. I choose to depend on my mother when I feel like I need it, but Matt obviously feels like he has no choice due to way he has been raised, he has to depend on her for every single thing. Truly sad.
I have a very similar relationship with my mum. We are very close, but she doesn’t involve herself in my other relationships or life choices unless I ask her for advice or help. You can still be close and have boundaries.
Omg, it just keeps getting worse as the video goes on! He can “picture” his mother in the lingerie!?! And he buys his mother and girlfriend the same robe!?! I can’t.
I’m honestly surprised that Matt and Kim even got in a relationship in the first place, let alone that it’s lasted long enough for Matt to want to propose. Kim obviously must love him quite a lot, because I doubt she’d put up with that sort of behavior from Kelley (and Matt).
She said "I don't think WE'LL have any problems...." Like ma'am who's the we you're talking about, you are talking about your son and his girlfriends LINGERIE
Parents who are so obsessed with their children where they don't let them live their lives or mature fully so they can hold a strong grip on them all their lives are terrifying. There's a psychology here that I am not prepared to go into.
Its a psycho-sexual dependency. The parent on one side infantilizes the child (you can't move away, you dont cook and clean i do it cause ill do it right) but at the same time theyre grooming the child into a partner (intruding into the childs personal life, blurring the boundaries of sex talk and sexual intimacy, building the future together instead of allowing the child independency) The guy is a toddler and a husband at once, and because she raised him he doesnt understand that he has been abused into mental and emotional incest. He thinks its normal
I think its present in the differences between how girls and boys are raised, particularly by mothers and grandmothers. My mother and grandma were both harsher on me, my looks, my household duties, my behaviour. They saw me as a version of themselves, with an expectation of how I should act, and repeated how they were raised. While my brother had very few expectations on him, and got criticised a lot less. And then my grandma will say he is nicer than me, hmm, I wonder why. I also believe that watching a boy mature can be intimidating, as they are becoming physically threatening to their parents. So by keeping them under their thumb, they hang on to the young boy they love, and coddle them so they will still need their mother. Because it's socially common for mothers especially to give up so much of themselves to look after their family, and by the time their children are grown, they start to feel useless and that they aren't needed anymore. They lose who they were before motherhood, so they have to cling to it to have a sense of purpose. They already raised their daughters with all the life skills they need, but also pick on them because they see themselves in them, which can create distance. But their sweet perfect boy can do no wrong, any failure in being an independent adult only brings him closer to mama. And bonus points if the father is distant or the marriage isn't going so well, not getting into whatever's going on there. Just some observations. This pattern occurs far to often for it just to be coincidence, but not usually to this scale lol.
It truly is especially when they try to make out that they are a victim all the time and that they’re heartbroken or being attacked in some way when they’re own choices are alienating them from healthy relationships (it’s not like I would know though 😋😉)
Narcissism, if you won't let them abuse and control you then they will abandon you but only after traumatising you so much that you become codependent. At that point, you may just have to unalive yourself or pass on the trauma to others.
I got sick to my stomach... My MIL acts like this. It wasn't always like this apparently and it got worse after his dad died. It just keeps getting worse. It's tiring.
i am absolutely addicted to this show. it's on season three now. spoiler alert! kelly rips a tree out of the ground because it was blocking her view of matts window, she couldnt spy on him! there is a couple where the wife says the man needs to set boundaries with his mother and not let her walk into their house unannounced and the man said if his mom doesnt come over, no one will do laundry or cook, even though he is a grown man! there is another couple who is letting the mom plan the wedding and his wife looks like his mom and he calls his mom a milf and says shes sexy. please watch more of this show (either for a video or on your own time) it is absolutely crazy insane i cant get enough of it. the entire show is totally not on pirating websites i wouldnt know ive never even looked!
This woman acts the way my old man does when I try to do anything for myself. Its the exact same manipulative tactics to different ends in my case, but its all just someone who wants to control someone else regardless of what that person wants
yeah i feel kinda bad for matt, what he's doing isn't ok, but when you have the trauma of being raised by someone like that actually standing up to them can be impossible.
You know whats scary? My mother would definitely go lingerie shopping with my brother for his wife if he was crazy enough to ask her, which thank the goddess he isn’t. I really hope tlc never finds my mom because the money they could make off of her would be insane.
okay so. i watched the videos in the Lets Not Kiss Our Family series out of order, i watched the most recent one first, from 12 days of sinmas, and i genuinely. GENUINELY. thought the matt and kim you name dropped in that episode was THE poprock duo matt & kim. ive never been so relieved in my life
As a son who his close to his mom, this is all kinds of not okay. I could never imagine my mom acting this way, let alone me enabling it to this point! I feel so bad for the shopkeeper who had to be witness to that and for Kim having to live with it. So glad she got out, don't look back Kim!
Work gay
thx gay
so slay
Real.
that’s sooo slay and girlboss 💅
Yes
For anyone interested: Kim is living her best life as a single girl nowadays, she broke up with Matt after she had to move for work and they fought about it, then Matt flew to make things up with Kim AND TOOK HIS MOM WITH HIM 💀 Matt threw a tantrum in a restaurant as Kim left him
Please link the video
OH THANK GOD!!!
please link the video or article i need to read/watch that lmao
Kelly had to come with him, otherwise Matt could escape
Once again begging for a link
The interaction between the lingerie shopkeeper and the mother is a great example of what happens when a narcissist meets someone who hasn't been subjected to their manipulation. Their whole house of cards is threatened.
It was satisfying to me because I was abused by a malignant narcissist for 20+ years, and I know their spells all too well.
Literally, the shopkeeper being weirded out and trying to calmly explain to the mother that her son has his own life now and that she’s no longer his biggest priority as a soon to be married adult was probably one of the only times her ideals were challenged and of course she got very defensive
It's nice to watch that interaction and to know that woman is DISGUSTSED.
It’s 4 am and my Alexa just started playing Justin Bieber lol
narcissism and manipulation/abuse are extremely different things, ones a disability the others a terrible person and should not be used interchangeably since its ableist
You guys don’t understand, I watched this show in full and when he gives Kim the lingerie she’s actually super excited until, as she’s looking at the robe, Kelly walks into the room wearing the exact same one. Kim is so flabbergasted and ends up going to bed because she doesn’t know what to say or do and then mat STAYS DOWNSTAIRS with his mum to chat and have a cup of tea instead of go talk to Kim and make sure she’s okay.
Mind you as they’re having their tea Kelly and Matt are like ‘idk what her problem was’
That is fucking insane! What??? Like I know it’s cause the abuse and weird emotional incest has gotten deep but how the fuck can you lack so little empathy as to not even see how distraught someone is like that!! Fucking insane honestly
That shopkeeper is a saint. She so excellently de-escelated the situation and gracefully delivered some hard truths to the mother.
I was a bridesmaid in my ex friends wedding five years ago. We had just finished the rehearsal when I noticed the groom’s mom crying so I sat next to her and asked what was wrong. All I could make out was “she’s taking him away from me” so I quickly motioned for one of the grooms men to take over and abandon ship.
Fast forward to two days later at the wedding. I’ve told the bridesmaids what happened so we’re all on high alert. His mom shows up looking depressed and apathetic but she doesn’t say anything. The ceremony finishes and we leave for photos. Meanwhile, brother of the groom leaves photos early to go check on their mom who is complaining of heart pain. She ends up going to the ER where they tell her nothing is wrong and it all doesn’t take longer than our photos because we arrive at the reception at the same time. She’s pissed the groom didnt go the hospital with her because “she could’ve died” and the groom tells her he would have if his brother thought it was serious. MIL looks like she’s about to say something else but she just storms off and finds her table.
Finally it’s time to eat and the brides dad finished praying for the food and thanking everyone for coming. No one else is supposed to give a speech right now! But MIL gets up and takes the mic from the brides dad. She turns to the front table instead of the guest and - dead serious - asks the groom into the mic “I thought you loved me” and it sounds like she’s on the verge of tears.
It couldn’t have been more than thirty seconds of silence but it felt like minutes. The groom laughs to dissolve the tension and says he does love her… more silence. Eventually MIL turns back towards the guests and thanks everyone for coming. She sits back down at her table and doesn’t get up for the rest of the night.
Apparently MIL avoided the bride after the wedding until they got pregnant and now they’re one big happy family again
It’s my favorite wedding story that I will NEVER shut up about.
My aunt straight up sobbed through her son’s wedding, like wailing.
I wouldn’t talk to her again if I was the bride
Weddings really bring out the worst in toxic family members. I will give my in laws credit, there were no fake medical emergencies, but there was their typical theatrics. They made no effort to help plan or pay for anything until a month before the wedding (if you know anything about weddings you know that a month before everything is pretty much done besides maybe a few final payments. We told them the only thing that needed to still be taken care of was paying my husband’s aunt and uncle who were catering, and maybe help them if they wanted help. They agreed, but on the wedding day it came out that they definitely didn’t help, and possibly didn’t even pay his aunt and uncle. Also, his parents had asked me multiple times if we were having a rehearsal dinner. I said no since it was a smaller, more laid back wedding I didn’t see the need for one. They mentioned nothing to me about wanting to host one. A few weeks before the wedding, my husband came home and said that his parents would be hosting a rehearsal dinner and they had sat down and planned it all out. Of course, I talked to my husband about how I should’ve been involved and I felt they had purposely excluded me by “happening” to plan this all out when I just happened to not be there. On the invite they sent out to our wedding party, the only thing they said was “Shane wanted tacos, so that is exactly what we’re having”. At the day of the rehearsal dinner his mom asked if I was doing a dance with my dad, I said yes. She then asked my husband if he had been practicing for their dance. He said yes but he looked confused. When we left, he told me they had not ever talked about what they’d be doing for a mother-son dance.
The day of the wedding, my in laws showed up probably 30 minutes-1hr (being generous) before guests. We assumed they were with his aunt an uncle helping them with the catering. Until, his aunt showed up to set up the food thinking they had been at the venue. His aunt also made a comment that led us to believe that my in laws had not paid her. But, it is her sister so I don’t think she wanted to out right say anything to make her mad.
When it came to the father-daughter, mother-son dance. In the middle of our ceremony, they were still trying to figure out what they were doing. His mom apparently wanted to do the dance from pulp fiction. I told my husband I don’t know the song title (I genuinely don’t, to this day 😂), so they would have to figure it and tell the DJ. My fil (while we were trying to eat our dinner) came up and told me that when the song was about to end, the DJ would ask everyone to come to the dance floor. At that point, they wanted me to come up and start dancing with my husband and he would come up and start dancing with my mil. Well, when it came time for their dance, it wasn’t the right song (there was no wifi at our venue, the DJ graciously tried to go across the street to download the song to his software, but my in laws either told him to change it or the DJ improvised). Either way, when the song was ending the DJ made the announcement for everyone to come to the dance floor. As planned, I did, but my fil didn’t. My mil threw her hands in the air and walked off. I assumed she was mad at her husband, not me since he’s the one who didn’t follow through. But, I am the evil witch taking her son away so it was my fault apparently 😂😂
When we got our pictures back, my fil managed to smile in most, but my mil looks miserable in every picture.
They also asked what colors to wear, & we told them our them was very light pinks, greens, & even neutrals, but they shower up in the darkest navy blue you could find, not sure if they were making a statement of rebellion, mourning, or both (I didn’t care what them or any guest wore, I just found it funny the specifically asked because they “wanted to know what to wear” & then did the exact opposite).
Also, I know some of this falls on my husband for not standing up for me and telling them I needed to be involved with the rehearsal dinner, or communicating more with them about the wedding. However, their relationship has never been perfect & they have (at least since we’ve been together) done things that only encourage him to avoid them.
@@heyemilayythe song is “you never can tell” Chuck Berry, and that would take so much practice and then end up being so awkward for a mother-son dance 😂 your in-laws sound nuts
Holy cluster b Batman!
The kind of relationship Matt has with his mom Kelly is called Covert Incest. “Covert incest is described as occurring when a parent is unable or unwilling to maintain a relationship with another adult and forces the emotional role of a spouse onto their child instead.”
Bingo. Came here to say this. I survived sexual abuse from my father and unfortunately he was the one who bought my underwear into my teens. I've been free from any contact with him for years now and it was the best choice I ever made.
@@saranohmusic57 I’m so sorry you had to go through that
Exactly this. Thank you for saying this.
I came here to say this too. You’re 100% right
@@saranohmusic57 i’m so sorry you had to deal with that, i hope you’re doing better now
I always thought of "mama's boy" as just being closer to your mom than your dad. Something milder and MUCH healthier than. This.
same. my life quality went down watching this video. thanks Annamarie for making it less horrendous.
I thought of it as being someone whose parents will do everything and anything for them. Damn.
Same lmfao
Really? I've never heard it in a non negative way..
i wish that was the case! being close to your parent(s) is totally fine & healthy, kelly just has no sense of boundaries
Kelly makes me so uncomfortable. She fully has raised her son to be fully emotionally dependent on her as a FULLY GROWN 27 year old man. She also is fully incapable of acknowledging that her son is a fully grown man that can make his own decisions and can have his own life separate from her. Not to mention her constantly othering and belittling Kim. I truly believe that Kelly thinks that she is the only woman that is supposed to be in her sons life. The way that she treats her potential daughter-in-law is utterly disgusting. At this point I truly think Kim should just leave. Because the amount of work that Kim is going to have to do to get Matt to understand that his mother is way overstepping her boundaries in his life is so much even before getting a therapist involved. to speak about the stuff
my mom tried that crap with me and is now doing it to my younger sibling. it's infuriating to see that my now 23 year old sibling is still being kept at home despite them wanting to move out .. I'm a parent too and as parents we should strive to make sure our kids will be able to support themselves! my kids are still small but I'm already teaching them important life skills that they will need when they're older.
I'm 27, still living at home for multiple different reasons, and my mum would have a second heart attack if me or my brothers were this dependent on her.
*F U L L Y*
29* that man is almost 30 in this video. God bless kim for seeing the red flags before marrying into this clown ass family
@@KATtube03 good for her, God Kelly is so controlling and creepy glad Kim got out of that throuple
My mother-in-law has been so supportive, loving and accepting. I’ve been married for almost 7 years and on a vacation with the family I said, “He is amazing, he’s my best friend and teammate. He’s everything I’ve wanted.” She responded with, “That’s all I’ve wanted to hear. I raised him to be this way and I’m so proud.”
I’ve been with my husband for 4 years & it’s the same for me. My MIL treats me as her own & she’s the sweetest person ever. I’m truly blessed.
My in laws are the same. My mother and I don't get along. So my in laws are my parents in my eyes.
Same here, my MIL is like my second mom. She’s one of the coolest people in my life and I love that I get to be part of her family, and I feel like I can talk to her about anything. I literally can’t imagine my mil doing anything even close to this.
"You weren't cooking for him" girly if your son is almost 30 years old and doesn't know how to cook his own food to the point that he's losing dramatic amounts of weight if someone doesn't cook for him, YOU should be embarrassed 😭😭 you have this uber close relationship with your son and in almost 30 years of life never taught him to cook? 0/10 parenting, what do you think your job is??? That's actually so embarrassing for you
how is it even possible to not raise your son to know how to use the goddamn microwave
Thankfully, they did end up breaking up after Kim took a job in Texas. I'm so fucking happy for her, she's out there living her best life without that man-child and that sociopathic bitch
Also after the break-up, he claimed that Kim "broke Kelly's heart", which is the dumbest shit I've ever heard because Kelly got exactly what she wanted in the end
So glad to hear this
She was only "heartbroken" because her son was upset by it, and it was probably something Kelly told Matt (which she knew was a blatant lie) to manipulate him into resenting Kim more.
do we know what the dudes doing rn 💀💀? like is he still just living with his mom??
@@kaitlynmorgan4613 Yes he is still living with his mom
@@kaitlynmorgan4613 He's going to live with her until she dies, then he's going to be so confused as to why he doesn't have a life or family. Unless something happens between now and then that shows him how incestuous this relationship is, he's going to be unable to form a real relationship with anyone else. Just the way his momwife wants.
“I don’t think we’ll have any problems” WE??? WE??? WHAT PROBLEMS WOULD Y O U HAVE WITH YOUR SONS SEX LIFE. this episode has me rolling and recoiling. i would 100% have to leave the floor if i was working in that store the same day
The number of times Kelly said WE absolutely jarred me!
@@violentvixen592 it was si weird 😢😐
Super generously i was thinking it was referencing conceiving grandbabies but it just kept going downhlll jfc
ATP it has to be fake fr she HAS to be amping it up for the show…. For the Love of God I hope she’s faking
Unfortunately emotional incest is far more common than we like to think. It’s when an unhealthy and toxic parent (usually narcissistic and abusive) will have no boundaries with their child and put them into the role of their spouse, using them as a therapist. Saying things like (especially egregious when they’re young) “you understand me better than dad/mom ever did, you’re so mature, I don’t know what I would do without you etc). Not just as a therapist, but will essentially trap them into being the supportive role, in a deeply unhealthy and abusive way. More often than not, sexual abuse is brought into the equation. It causes an extreme lack of personal boundaries. I hope this man eventually gets therapy and cuts off his toxic mother.
these people would listen to blood related (by our beloved mayor, kurtis) and take it seriously
Heeeeey fellow citizen!!
Yee Yee!
eyy a fellow citizen of Kurtistown
Anna and Kurtis look like they’d either be siblings or cousins
I feel the vibes
Hallelujah. I was thinking the same thing. 😂 Just once is all it took and they were like "He's spitting facts." People man 🤦🏻♀️
Just imagine Valentine’s Day rolling around and the gf being like “omg this is so nice” and Matt has to be like “thanks my mom helped me pick it out!she has the exact same one”
Someone in these comments said she was excited about the lingerie until the mom WALKED IN WEARING THE MATCHING ROBE 💀
That shop keeper is an absolute queen. Tackling the issues, as Annamarie said, firmly but gently. I'd never expect a shop worker to say something like that but here it's sorely needed. Her standing up for Matt like that was amazing. What a legend of a woman!
The store owner is out here representing us all. I feel so seen. 😌
Kelly: "I think that store owner should've minded her own business!" MAYBE YOU *SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DOING THAT* IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
This is my first time hearing negative connotations around the term, "mama's boy". Speaking as a Cis gendered Straight 18 year old Indian man, I always thought of the term as something proud to call oneself, a man who loves and is close to his mother because I grew up being more close to my mom. But I would never go this freaking far holy shit. I still want to live independently perhaps even provide for my parents after retirement and not want to be overly dependent. But this grown man is taking it too freaking far and this is by Indian standards where joint families and arranged marriages are very common and where we do ask our parents for advice on relationships.
This man is taking the word "motherfucker" too seriously.
I wholly agree with this.
I laughed way too hard at the last sentence
My husband is a "mama's boy" in that he loves and respects his mother and it taught him to respect all women. She once said, "if my kids meet partners and have their own careers and their own lives, it means I've been successful as a parent". My MIL is the best. Matt is the worst for allowing his mother to turn him into a grown child who can't make a decision on his own- that's a failure on Kelly's part.
@@ScientificallyStupid respecting your parents and women as a whole doesn't make one a mama's boy..
@@solus8685 I'm describing his close relationship with his mother as a positive way of being a "Mama's boy" like the OP
I work at an adult store and I totally feel for the lingerie store workers at 15:17, you’d be surprised how many people come in with their parents and it’s so uncomfortable every time
Like, mothers with their daughters buying stuff for the daughter or parents with the child buying stuff for the significant other? Idk, buying something for the potentials child-in-law sounds worse somehow
Oh nooooo
@@ononono7016 It definitely does seem worse. I think its because if it's something just for the adult child it's not inherently sexual. But if its to please their partner and they're shopping with their parent ...., that,, that IS inherently sexual. It's TMI.
🤢🤮
I'd go with my mom but I'm a woman. I'd never go with my dad.
We need a petition for TLC to make a new show where they send all their reality stars to real therapy. That would be fun TLC, I promise!
*please do it TLC I’m literally begging*
IT WOULD BE A GOLD MINE OMFG
it would be great but a gigantic HIPAA violation
I'm glad you called it out as emotional incest. A lot of people don't know that's a thing and that it often takes place in conjunction with emotional abuse.
The amount of death stares from Kelly against the shopseller in this episode is baffling...
She always seens ten seconds away of ripping her throat with her ring (which is, lets not forget, bigger than her daughter in law)
(wait what are you saying is bigger than her daughter in law lol sorry?)
@@sophiathefurbst I believe that it's her ring, but we can bet that her son knows it
I almost went out w a guy just like this when I was younger. It was SUPER creepy
(It's a long story but funny).
I was 21, still living in Japan. My obaasan (gma) tried to set me up w her neighbors sons since they were friends.
The neighbors son (24) invited me on a date and I picked him up on the day of w my car. He greeted me with a half dying plant (it had clearly been laying arnd his moms house + in Japanese culture thats a pretty big faux pas/ insult to not give something healthy/ fresh as a gift).
I was so thrown off by the zombie plant that when he put the address into the GPS for our date location I didnt notice anything odd. I followed the GPS but I got super confused when we arrived at a large multi-level electronic store (not the cool kind, more rundown for refurbished goods). I thought maybe he had put the address in wrong. Nope...our date was at AN OUTDATED ELECTRONICS STORE. We walked around while he talked non-stop about his mom than we ate stale corn dogs in the crappy cafe where there was 0 chairs. It was so awful.
I hurried the date along as fast as I could than drove him home. Before he got out of my car he sheepishly told me didn't want to date rn and that he needed to focus on finishing his engineering degree but hoped we could be friends till he was done with school, than date. He invited me in for tea with his mom and to paly video games. I had just listened to him go on and on about his codependent relationship w his mom. He explained his dad had cheated on her and divorced her for another woman so now she cldnt stand being alone. After his dad left she used her son as a sudo-husband. Creepy. I had a feeling so I asked if he had decided this no dating idea on his own or if his mom had. He paused than said she thought it of it and she knew what was best for him. He said she helped him decide a lot of his life for him. They did almost everything together (even some weird stuff like massages, bathing (w swimsuits on) sleeping in the same bed etc.). I was FULLY weirded out.
I'm mixed Japanese but I grew up in France and USA so I tend to be way more direct than most Japanese people.
I said I found their relationship very creepy and I didn't want to have tea w his mom or date him 1 day.
He got mad and huffed out of the car. Later His mom started bad mouthing me online, while posting TONS of pictures of her and her son vacationing and eating out as if to gloat that she "won". It wasn't that he didn't have time to date me, he was super busy because he was dating him mom. My obaasan was so grossed out and said " I dodged a bullet". To this day whenever they come by my Obaasans house now she asks him if he has a GF. He's 30, still single and still never left his moms.
@@SaintShion Jesus-
yeah, you definitely dodged a bullet there.
@@SaintShion Boo you dodged a missile.
I could NEVER put up with dating a man like that, my god. as a victim of abuse myself I know it's difficult to escape, especially when it's really cyclical, but holy shit there's only so much you can expect another person to go through
(usually cishet) women please do yourself a favour and consider when it's time to bail. sometimes you just deserve better
I'm gay and if I dated a guy like that lets just say we wouldn't be in a relationship for long.
@@shortangel333 literally I'm a gay trans man dating two trans men who are also abuse survivors, none of us put each other through shit like this
cishets get better soon ig
That was my main thought watching the whole video. At this point in my life you couldn’t pay me enough to deal with that 🙃
@@hauntedsunsets cishets will never get better.
@@shortangel333 so true 😔
It's the little things like how Kelly uses "we" in conversations with Matt that just completely deny his personhood. Like when Matt brings up getting engaged to Kim and Kelly just goes "I think we could think about it". I hope they both get therapy
same.
Are we not gonna say anything about the fact Kelly said “I think we are about the same size” when they were at the lingerie store shopping for Kim💀💀💀 WHY WAS SHE COMPARING THEIR SIZES 😭😭😭
That shopkeeper seems like the kind of woman to give advice so good that you’ll think back to it whenever you’re facing problems year after year
The girlfriend looked so pissed the entire video that poor girl 💀
i hope she can get out of that situation soon. and the guy as well.
@@cheesebatto you'll be pleased to know, she broke up with him as is living her best life. Has her own podcast too!
@@sofias407 name of the podcast? 😏
sigmund freud would've been ALL OVER this show 💀
Sigmund freud would be all over tlc!!
Sigmund Freud was an ill individual who shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near vulnerable people. And I wish people would stop bringing the man up 😭💀😅
Lmaoooo
"ok even i think you two are going too far.......just bang or stop gr00m1ng your son you weird lady"
he was proven right by this show.
The lingerie shop owner represents all of us. If you're gunna go to a lingerie or sex shop, go with your partner, close friends who are comfortable with that kind of stuff, or go by yourself. This whole situation was very awkward.
Matt also just screams to me “closeted gay struggling in more ways than one”
That’s exactly what I thought.
Came here to say this.
Was looking for this comment!!
baby that's Trixie Mattel
Seriously!
our boy sigmund giggling in the grave rn
Freud is having a field day. He's taking notes and kicking his feet up in the air with delight.
@@cc-by7ee giggling on his pink plush bed + writing in his diary like a girl in a 90s sitcom
@@tudirkulosis oh absolutely he is using a purple glitter pen with a little feather fluff ball on top drawing little hearts and stars.
@@cc-by7ee drawing a big heart with an arrow piercing it with "mommy" written in the middle
@@tudirkulosis A.F. + S.F. 4eva (his mom's name was Amalia)
As someone who worked a lingerie store for a few years, while this would be strange, you have no idea how much people will divulge to you about their sex life because your store sells teddies. One time I had some woman call and ask me to help her pick something out because she was having sex for the first time in 15 years tonight. I was on the phone with her discussing her last fifteen sexless years for over an hour.
And trust me trying to assist men pick something is almost impossible, because they have no idea what size their SO is. They always compare her to you. “She’s exactly your size but like a foot taller and has bigger hips and breasts.” Great, thanks, perfect very helpful.
Sounds like a nightmare
I’m super late, but your comment just reminded so much of my mom. She worked in a lingerie store and always told me those funny stories about how awful it was to pick something out for women she didn’t know in a size that was described as „about this big“ with hand gestures 😂😂
"you don't buy lingerie for your mother" should not have to be said i am SICK
Realistically what happens when kelly dies?
Matt is so emotionally dependent on her not to mention the fact that he's burned every single bridge other than the one with Kelly
That when she dies he's going to be completely alone
It's a little hard to feel bad for him but you got to realize that he's been completely manipulated by his mother and the end of this road is very lonely
Yes, abusive relationships tend to do that
I can’t believe that Matts horrendous haircut was not mentioned in this video😭it was all I could think about
He only had money for half a buz cut
As a masculine (mostly) straight man who gets his nails done, thank you for the positive vibes on getting nails done does not = less masculine
Masculine and feminine aren't opposites that cancel each other out.
Masculine and feminine can coexist in a person.
I argue there shouldn't be any gendered energy around getting your nails done. It's taking care of another part of our bodies ans if you get your nails coloured or fake nails - it's just body modification
@@smartcakes303 Fair point, I also don't think getting nails done is an inherently ~feminine~ thing. However, the majority of society sees it as feminine, so regardless.
Even if someone DOES try to pin the "oh it's feminine!" thing on men who get their nails taken care of... So what? it doesn't diminish or decrease masculinity or "manliness" unless you allow it to. Haha
@@jadecoolness101 I totally agree, it's really nice to see other people sharing the same opinion
You do you! Everyone deserve a mani/pedi of they want one
As an autistic adult, I am unfortunately more dependent on my parents when it comes to finance, managing my medical disorders, and allowing me to live with them while I work part-time. I have no interest in dating/marriage as I’m asexual and aromantic. And being a woman, I’m automatically infantilized by society because of my gender.
I don’t get along great with my parents…so I don’t understand this situation 100%…….but I think when we discuss the topic of ‘momma’s boy’ we need to remember that many people, autistic and otherwise, do need to lean on their parents well into their 20s and possibly longer for some people. Especially when developmental disorders are paired with physical disabilities. I can’t drive, for example, but I used to be able to do now I feel like I’m in high school again waiting for rides to work. I’m judged a lot even though I desire independence and my mother in particular is very controlling while my father has a god complex. And I’m 27. If one-sided enmeshment is a thing, then I’m a victim of it.
The amount of "We" thrown around by that mother. OI VEY
23:50 by the comment she made I think Kelly understands perfectly, she just wants to knock the shop owner down a peg. She seems straight up abusive
I'm currently watching the 3rd season of "I love a momma's boy" and I just wanna say... Kim dodged a fuckin bullet
Long story short: Kim has a job opportunity and is asked to move to Texas for a year, she asks Matt to go with her because they got engaged at the end of Season 1 and HE'S the one who calls her selfish despite the fact he's building their house in HIS MOTHER'S BACKYARD. She goes anyways, realizes that she's better off without him and breaks off the engagement when Matt and Kelly (Who wasn't fuckin invited) come to visit. Also, Matt and Kelly barely included Kim leading up to this.
Good for her
I'm afraid to ask, but how? Did he sleep with his mom? does it get worse? do i wanna know?
We must know how was the bullet dodged? What happened?
please give us the tea. please. please
You can't comment that and just not tell us the tea.
Matt 's got some fruit in his cup. A little sugar in his tank. Homosexuality, if you will.
As a bi guy, I agree
Lol
As a pansexual woman my gaydar was most definitely picking up on that as well.
That’s the first thing I thought when I saw him
Dude is 100% gay.
literally laughed so hard I started choking when I saw the flower appear in Kelly's hair 20:17 -> 20:23
Not her saying she's the same size 💀 I'm in no way bodyshaming her, they're just clearly not
the shop owner is so real for trying to help him set boundaries lol
NOOO because the way I audibly GASPED when they went lingerie shopping together, and he got his mother and girlfriend THE SAME ROBE!!!! 💀🤮🙀 d i s g u s t a n g!!!
the cut from kelly messing with the flowers to suddenly having a flower tucked behind her ear was absolutely hilarious
i am choosing to only remember this moment so i can stop cringing
As someone who was a victim of a narcissist and emotional incest, matt really needs to get out of that situation because deep down, it DOES feel wrong for someone to treat you like that and insert themself into your relationships. Kelly is taking matts ability to have long-form and close relationships. Especially people who could tell him whats wrong with how his mom is treating him. Now, he is an adult so other people cant do as much as they might want to.
The ring thing baffles me. My wedding set was my mother in laws. She stopped wearing it a few years after her husband passed and she offered it to me as an option when my husband and I were getting engaged. I love it and it reminds me of her everyday. But she wasn't weird or possessive over it.
Annamarie, it’s 11 o’clock at night. This is exactly the nightcap I needed
It’s 12 here and honestly I’m fine with it
i hope you have an amazing night, bestie
lmao its 2 in the morning for me-
The shop owner is my hero. I love her, I'm hoping Kim gets out of this impossible situation
Kim possible
She does!! She’s now in Texas
Everytime I see someone bring this show up I immediately just think about how much therapy every single person who's ever been on a tlc show like this needs. Smothered is another version of this show with all genders iirc and the level of codependency is literally terrifying it smells like either incest or emotional abuse
sidenote but you may wanna rephrase the “both” in “both genders”
@@sophiathefurbst To clarify, in case OP doesn't know; both implies only 2 genders, when there's many genders, especially when taking a pan-cultural consideration of gender identity. So saying 'all genders' would make more sense.
@@qwandary or, if it was just men and women “both binary genders” works
@@sophiathefurbst Yep exactly. :)
@@sophiathefurbst THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME THIS!! I'm quite literally somewhere under the nonbinary umbrella and highly questioning my gender... the internalized cishet normativity jumped out unconsciously when I made this comment (╥﹏╥) I definitely meant both binary genders
I just had knee surgery and I (being a lesbian) told a girl I liked her and got rejected, but watching your videos has been a good way to cope with the pain. ❤️
“That’s very rawr XD of you, kelly” killed me
I’ve shut my mom down for talking shit about my last girlfriend. I’ve hid that I’ve had boyfriends from her. Point being sometimes the best thing is to shut out your family. Expecially when they aren’t supporting that you even have someone you love
Lmao literally, my mother does this with even my friends. Just last night she said for the ten thousandth time that my best friend acts a little crazy, complete with an eye roll of course, because I was genuinely bummed about something and thought maybe for once I could talk to her about it. Obviously I was reminded why I never never ever tell her anything ever
I agree! Your family and your relationship should always be an arms length away if you know there's tension or could become tense. Your family and parents don't need to be so involved to where they feel comfortable giving you their brutal opinion
@@RebelPlague13 not even that for me it’s two things: one is if you have a toxic family, like this guy has with his overly jealous mother, then do the smart thing. The other is your parents shouldn’t be knowledgeable on who you’ve fucked. Just in general. If I had a kid and I knew who they fucked I’d drink a fresh bottle of bleach.
This gave me literal chills!!! I'm a 21 yo girl and my mom has actively been trying to get me to the state which Matt is in. It's an actual nightmare full of emotional manipulation, gaslighting, and controling behavior.
Same. I just moved out but it’s still hard to set boundaries bc they’re basically obsessed with you
I’m a 21 year old woman too and I haven’t lived with my dad since I was 16 however I would say he’s very similar to Kelly. There’s some definite covert incest vibes going on between me and my father and I’m sick of it. He’s extremely dependant on me and treats me as if I’m his girlfriend but there as far as I know isn’t too much sexual stuff going on, just emotional.
@@nerdbites2212 the damage incompetent parents can do is fascinating to me
children live without knowing anything's wrong and the parents just keep refusing to work on their behavior
My grandma got into a huge fight with my dad when he found out that she told my mom on their wedding day "you need to satisfy my son. You need to be ready to make love to him whenever he wants it." My dad set hard boundaries after he found out but my uncle did not do the same any of the times he got married, I wonder why those failed...
WHAT.
@@sunnyandthechlo yeah she's the stereotypical MIL but my dad doesn't allow her to mistreat my mom
The fact that it’s called The Learning Channel is astounding
Once upon a time, my very religious grandmother bought me lingerie for my birthday. I was 13. Turns out she was off her meds, and has returned to the usual gifts of sudoku books and socks, but this video gave me war flashbacks.
She should be happy that someone obviously loves her son enough to put up With all of this. I could imagine that ring Kelly wears is a “promise ring” Matt gave her
Kelly knows exactly what she is doing.
“Oh I forget you were there”
Kelly also fr wants to be the one wearing that lingerie.
So disrespectful! Matt should have definitely stood up for his girl there.
I can only really feel bad for Matt, because my mom was emotionally overbearing and abusive to both me and my brother. I can see my brother going in that direction because of how manipulative my mom is, and because I moved away and she has no other victim. Kelly is definitely manipulative and forcing Matt to be dependent, and Matt is most likely terrified of what she'll do to him if he does put his foot down. From my experience, putting your foot down to this type of mother is terrifying, and although it's necessary, he most likely won't be able to do it because of how much foundation Kelly set for this behavior.
i relate sm...also unrelated but, are u a girl?
Same.
Yes! I grew up with so little autonomy that decision making is often paralyzing. And figuring out what I want to do as a profession is near impossible. It's hard to build relationships and know how they should function when you don't start out with a model of a healthy relationship.
yeah, it's kinda sad how people are judging him as if it's his fault he's in this situation, like of course he doesn't "just stand up for himself" he's lived his entire life this way under her grasp
as someone extremely sheltered by their mother, it's not as easy as people think to just tell them off, as much as i would like to
people who are like "i just shut them down when they do that" are people who have healthy relationships with their parents and have no idea what the difference is
I think someone successfully revived Freud and he's actually the producer of this show.
You know KNOWWWWWW the girls in the store were telling EVERYONE and their moms about them. They were so talking in the backrooms
this is the perfect video for me to watch while drink wine alone in my apartment :')
Sliving
enjoy! make sure to drink lots of water to reduce your chances of waking up hungover!!
Samesies!! 🍷
Sinner 😈🥂
I can certainly see why one would want to get drunk while watching this... :P
My mom and I watch this show all the time. In the latest season, there's a guy named Ethan who calls his mom a MILF and literally grinds on her! I have gagged several times while watching their interactions! 😃👍
Why would you make me read this?!
AhHhHhHhHhHhHhHh NOoOoOo
@@mysterygeekdude3287 I'M SORRY LMAO
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I can cope with this by convincing myself TLC told him to do that for views
I think when she said, "I don't think WE'LL have any problems," it was a veiled threat to her son who maybe has expressed that he's had some performance problems or anxiety surrounding intimate activities in the past and in order to prove that she raised a "perfectly normal, cishet son" she's doing everything in her power to reinforce her toxic belief system. Or maybe I'm reading into this too deeply.
I don't think you're reading too much into it at all. I feel like an asshole and don't want to make surface level assumptions or reinforce stereotypes but I get the vibe that Matt would have intimacy issues with any woman he dates. The guy needs to get away from his abusive mother, get a qualified therapist and find himself a good man. He deserves to be happy and live his own life.
You know those types of mothers are the ones that help cover up their sons abuse and help gaslight the victim into thinking she’s crazy
A few months ago, I broke up with my ex of 5 years. There were multiple reasons that led to me no longer loving him, but a lot of them boiled down to him being a major mama's boy. Not to the point of Matt here because holy shit that codependency is concerning and he needs so much therapy to ever be a normal adult. But damn, my ex listened to his parents for everything, sided with them over me all the time, and every single holiday we had to either spend it together with his family, or spend it apart with our own families. He abandoned plans last minute with me, leaving me to scramble to figure things out, because his mommy needed him to stay home. He refused to move away from them and wanted me to give up on my dreams just to avoid moving more than an hour away from his parents. We talked for the first time since our breakup, and he talked all about how much he loves this TLC show, only to say "i thought about moving out but my parents are right and I should live with them longer to save money!" like two minutes later, and not see the irony AT ALL. Women who brainwash their sons to be this dependent on them are doing their sons no favors. Parents should WANT their children to be independent and successful! Parents who get jealous or angry and insist on hampering their childrens' development are practically criminal and it's such a tragedy to see. I hope Kim got out of that relationship and finds a man who can actually be a life partner instead of a glorified toddler.
20:32 seeing a flower suddently appear in Kelly’s hair felt like a jumpscare to me
When Kelly looks forward like that she genuinely looks like a furby but somehow more terrifying
“i can see myself wearing that”
“yeah i can see you wearing that”
alright boys, let’s get the banjo playing
I've never subscribed to someone so fast , just by your intro I could tell I would love your videos
matt is absolutely closeted and no one can change my mind
I’m so glad you covered I love a mamas boy! I recently binged the series and it was so cringy I knew you’d need to talk about it!
it’s such a weird rabbit hole too fall into! and there’s so much MORE 😩
The pain in the eyes of the lady from the lingerie shop is so real, I'm right with you girl
The discussion about the possible engagement is…so crazy. Every moment had me aghast
The Shopkeeper is so much better than me I would've refused service the second I heard "my son"
I've said this in a different video and I'll say it here... The mom looks exactly like Tim Curry as pennywise, especially when she has the creepy pennywise smile.
The shopkeeper is a goddamn hero for saying what we're all thinking directly to Kelly's face
I have a close relationship with my mother and self-identify as a "mama's girl", but like for the most opposite reason that is presented in this show. Me and my mother have clear boundaries and good communication, which makes me trust her and rely on her when needed, but also I have my space when I need it and it gets respected. To be fair to Matt my mother is a psychiatrist and a therapist, so that obviously helps a lot with keeping our relationship healthy, because she has you know... heard of boundaries. I choose to depend on my mother when I feel like I need it, but Matt obviously feels like he has no choice due to way he has been raised, he has to depend on her for every single thing. Truly sad.
I have a very similar relationship with my mum. We are very close, but she doesn’t involve herself in my other relationships or life choices unless I ask her for advice or help. You can still be close and have boundaries.
Oh my god it was so difficult to sit through that lingerie part. Like I could feel the awkwardness emanating from the workers😭😭
Please continue with these videos. I'd love to see updates on the Matt, Kelly, and Kim saga
Kelly seems like a person who would wear white to her son's wedding to upstage the bride.
Omg, it just keeps getting worse as the video goes on! He can “picture” his mother in the lingerie!?! And he buys his mother and girlfriend the same robe!?! I can’t.
I’m honestly surprised that Matt and Kim even got in a relationship in the first place, let alone that it’s lasted long enough for Matt to want to propose. Kim obviously must love him quite a lot, because I doubt she’d put up with that sort of behavior from Kelley (and Matt).
Fr I'm glad she escaped their clutches before they got married, but holy shit I can't believe she even dated him. Especially knowing Kelly.
it only lasted because the first year they lived away from her, they only live w her now cus their apartment burned down
@@samisretired69 … did Kelly burn it down?
The amount of shit I would talk to my coworkers if I worked in that store and he said “I can see you in that too MOM” omfg
She said "I don't think WE'LL have any problems...." Like ma'am who's the we you're talking about, you are talking about your son and his girlfriends LINGERIE
respectfully WHAT is happening with Matt's hair
Parents who are so obsessed with their children where they don't let them live their lives or mature fully so they can hold a strong grip on them all their lives are terrifying. There's a psychology here that I am not prepared to go into.
Its a psycho-sexual dependency. The parent on one side infantilizes the child (you can't move away, you dont cook and clean i do it cause ill do it right) but at the same time theyre grooming the child into a partner (intruding into the childs personal life, blurring the boundaries of sex talk and sexual intimacy, building the future together instead of allowing the child independency)
The guy is a toddler and a husband at once, and because she raised him he doesnt understand that he has been abused into mental and emotional incest. He thinks its normal
codependency, emotional incest, and narcissistic mom are all here. take your pick.
I think its present in the differences between how girls and boys are raised, particularly by mothers and grandmothers. My mother and grandma were both harsher on me, my looks, my household duties, my behaviour. They saw me as a version of themselves, with an expectation of how I should act, and repeated how they were raised. While my brother had very few expectations on him, and got criticised a lot less. And then my grandma will say he is nicer than me, hmm, I wonder why.
I also believe that watching a boy mature can be intimidating, as they are becoming physically threatening to their parents. So by keeping them under their thumb, they hang on to the young boy they love, and coddle them so they will still need their mother.
Because it's socially common for mothers especially to give up so much of themselves to look after their family, and by the time their children are grown, they start to feel useless and that they aren't needed anymore. They lose who they were before motherhood, so they have to cling to it to have a sense of purpose. They already raised their daughters with all the life skills they need, but also pick on them because they see themselves in them, which can create distance. But their sweet perfect boy can do no wrong, any failure in being an independent adult only brings him closer to mama. And bonus points if the father is distant or the marriage isn't going so well, not getting into whatever's going on there.
Just some observations. This pattern occurs far to often for it just to be coincidence, but not usually to this scale lol.
It truly is especially when they try to make out that they are a victim all the time and that they’re heartbroken or being attacked in some way when they’re own choices are alienating them from healthy relationships (it’s not like I would know though 😋😉)
Narcissism, if you won't let them abuse and control you then they will abandon you but only after traumatising you so much that you become codependent. At that point, you may just have to unalive yourself or pass on the trauma to others.
Tbh all I see is an abusive mother.
I got sick to my stomach... My MIL acts like this. It wasn't always like this apparently and it got worse after his dad died. It just keeps getting worse. It's tiring.
I’m ace and greyro, so I am very thankful for the wonderful description of what the heck love is lol
happy to help!!
You just KNOW this is gotta be every one of those employees' go to "crazy customer" story. That's reddit level insane
throughout the whole lingerie shopping scene i was like "WHERE IS KIM??? WHERE IS SHE?!?"
i am absolutely addicted to this show. it's on season three now. spoiler alert! kelly rips a tree out of the ground because it was blocking her view of matts window, she couldnt spy on him! there is a couple where the wife says the man needs to set boundaries with his mother and not let her walk into their house unannounced and the man said if his mom doesnt come over, no one will do laundry or cook, even though he is a grown man! there is another couple who is letting the mom plan the wedding and his wife looks like his mom and he calls his mom a milf and says shes sexy. please watch more of this show (either for a video or on your own time) it is absolutely crazy insane i cant get enough of it. the entire show is totally not on pirating websites i wouldnt know ive never even looked!
I’m just picturing her literally ripping out the tree with her bare hands Edward Cullen style 💀
@@sunnyandthechlo lmfao same hahah
This woman acts the way my old man does when I try to do anything for myself. Its the exact same manipulative tactics to different ends in my case, but its all just someone who wants to control someone else regardless of what that person wants
yeah i feel kinda bad for matt, what he's doing isn't ok, but when you have the trauma of being raised by someone like that actually standing up to them can be impossible.
You know whats scary? My mother would definitely go lingerie shopping with my brother for his wife if he was crazy enough to ask her, which thank the goddess he isn’t. I really hope tlc never finds my mom because the money they could make off of her would be insane.
okay so. i watched the videos in the Lets Not Kiss Our Family series out of order, i watched the most recent one first, from 12 days of sinmas, and i genuinely. GENUINELY. thought the matt and kim you name dropped in that episode was THE poprock duo matt & kim. ive never been so relieved in my life
As a son who his close to his mom, this is all kinds of not okay. I could never imagine my mom acting this way, let alone me enabling it to this point! I feel so bad for the shopkeeper who had to be witness to that and for Kim having to live with it. So glad she got out, don't look back Kim!
Her making the MatPat reference was everything
bro that was like a confusing jumpscare