"The Name of the Rose" is my favourite book and the film is actually one of my favourite movies as well, though obviously for different reasons. I just love the atmosphere and the music and the look of the film so much! I'd definitely suggest reading Eco's "Postscript to the Name of the Rose" which is a separate (short) book about the book. "The Key to the Name of the Rose" is a great companion as well and explains a lot of the references and historical events. As for similar books, look no further than "Foucault's Pendulum" which is quite similar except that it's about more modern philosophy and conspiracy theories instead of medieval philosophy and theology. Wonderful book but much, much harder to read and denser than "Name of the Rose".
When I started reading this book, I thought, this whole novel be based on the mysterious events but it's very intricate and hard to digest. Especially for the non native like me. Eventually, I search for some clue, but here I listen that you were also tensed of even😂😂😂😂
Oh wow I thought that Eco lived like bajillion years ago. Probably because the book is set in medieval times (and somehow I knew that). I think my best friend read this when we were in college. I'd like to read it, but there is no way that I'll be able to focus on it right now. Loved your review! I didn't watch spoiler part though.
One of my top favourite books ever! I read it multiple times. It's just extraordinary. It made me fall in love with medieval history and philosophy. If you're interested in this subject, i'd suggest you to read "History of Medieval Philosophy" by Etienne Gilson, one of the most esteemed professors of medieval culture in modern european history. As for the Name of the Rose, you should listen to a BBC drama play that is currently available on youtube. It's absolutely brilliant!
Thank you for the recommendations! I'll look about both Gilson's writing and the BBC drama play. And it certainly has me reading more medieval history/philosophy as well! Such a good book and one I feel like I'll have to read a few times to fully grasp.
The thing that really annoyed me about this book is that the characters keep speaking latin and no translation is given so you lose parts of the dialogue because of it
I'm not a reader just a youtube junkie not an actual junkie to be clear lol. I learned about umberto eco through my discovery of the topic of semiotics, umberto eco is a semiotician and he got alot of peoples attention onto the topic. Semiotics has a phenomenal history probably not so surprising to you back to the middleages but that's even less known than semiotics. Unfortunately it's main use right now is promotional work in other words advertisements. Semiotics is a really powerful tool maybe the most powerful to be honest and doing advertisements is where people can do their biggest *flexing* the earliest in their career. Umberto eco is considered a structuralist, post-structuralist hybrid. Structuralism is basically mystical empiricism, and I'm sure you know empiricism. The problem with empiricism and structuralism is they have no apparent "meaning" I say it's more that they dont send you anywhere. Poststructuralism is like giving a purpose to the information your talking about some way of putting it to use. Structuralism is a fairly new philosophy but empiricism has been fueling science for hundreds of years amazingly both empiricism and structuralism were created at different times alongside the recreation of semiotics by 300~ years! And the last time semiotics came up it came at the same time in two different locations (semiotics/semiology). Semiotics is fairly new to me but there is alot that it is tied to it that I'm interested in that caused me to find it. It's really a topic about everything people who go their whole lives without learning its value I'm sad for.
Absolutely fascinating! I confess I didn't know about semiotics before reading Umberto Eco but it's a really interesting topic. Thank you for sharing all this information!
@@AnneEWilliamson it is genuinely difficult to see why semiotics is so valuable at the surface most people who go to school for it are accidentally doing the best thing they could do IMO.
If you search IEF in UA-cam theres a semiotic analysis live stream of Umberto Eco tomorrow. I have been listening to that (and others) channels lectures testing my understanding of semiotics I think it's something people really need to know more about right now. But nobody cares 😭 it's still very cool stuff to listen to though.
I read the first italian edition of this book when I was 16. 39 years ago alas. I've alway been noticing how the anglo-saxon readers are much like capturing only the fine details of the story, which is the first level of the book's structure. As Eco had just written an other Agatha Christies murder plot. There is an other rather subterranean level of the book which is synthesized in the word: "nominalism" I don't really hear a thing from you about it, not even a mention. An other world would open to you. Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
I would be curious to know if you can extrapolate on what you think we are missing while expressing the thought purely in English. Because there is more than one thing going on here, as befitting the subject matter. A certain element simply cannot translate because idiom can't fully express experience unless it's shared. Anyone who isn't themselves Italian will certainly miss a fundamental level of the text. I quite enjoy this band from France, but even knowing something of the language, there's so obviously so much France specific context that I could at best only learn the significance of later instead of immediately sussing out an inside reference. Atop that, the reviewer is clearly intelligent, and it's always nice to see young people reading. But the youthful naivete runs really deep in this video. Who even ever heard of a Catholic who can't pronounce Jorge?
Wikipedia is right this time around. Bell peppers came from the Americas. So there is no way a 14th-century monk would be munching on them. Unless he was a time traveler. But this is the wrong genre. And the symbolism makes sense when you think that Eco (one of my favorite authors) is a linguist specializing in semiotics even more than he is an author.
Yeah, definitely wrong genre. A time traveling monk, lol. Though the more I learn about Eco, the more fascinating he is! I really want to delve into more of his books.
Unique reading indeed, too sad they decided to replace the phrases in latin with their english translations, as the former contribute to the immersion.
Oh? My copy had most of the phrases still in Latin. Though I couldn't read the Latin anyway, lol. If only I knew Latin and Italian, then I could read the original!
@@AnneEWilliamson You dont need to know latin, as you can always check the internet or postscript to the name of the Rose. They certainly add weight to what the characters said, even though some people would take these phrases as some unnecessary snobbery on Eco's behalf. I personally like Ubertino's at the end of the sixth hour of the first day: "mors est quies viatoris finis est omnis laboris" or "death is the travelers' rest, the end of all work".
"The Name of the Rose" is my favourite book and the film is actually one of my favourite movies as well, though obviously for different reasons. I just love the atmosphere and the music and the look of the film so much!
I'd definitely suggest reading Eco's "Postscript to the Name of the Rose" which is a separate (short) book about the book. "The Key to the Name of the Rose" is a great companion as well and explains a lot of the references and historical events.
As for similar books, look no further than "Foucault's Pendulum" which is quite similar except that it's about more modern philosophy and conspiracy theories instead of medieval philosophy and theology. Wonderful book but much, much harder to read and denser than "Name of the Rose".
When I started reading this book, I thought, this whole novel be based on the mysterious events but it's very intricate and hard to digest. Especially for the non native like me. Eventually, I search for some clue, but here I listen that you were also tensed of even😂😂😂😂
Oh wow I thought that Eco lived like bajillion years ago. Probably because the book is set in medieval times (and somehow I knew that). I think my best friend read this when we were in college. I'd like to read it, but there is no way that I'll be able to focus on it right now. Loved your review! I didn't watch spoiler part though.
I thought Umberto wrote longer ago too! Still a good book, lol. Definitely skip the spoilers! I think you would like reading it.
One of my top favourite books ever! I read it multiple times. It's just extraordinary. It made me fall in love with medieval history and philosophy. If you're interested in this subject, i'd suggest you to read "History of Medieval Philosophy" by Etienne Gilson, one of the most esteemed professors of medieval culture in modern european history. As for the Name of the Rose, you should listen to a BBC drama play that is currently available on youtube. It's absolutely brilliant!
Thank you for the recommendations! I'll look about both Gilson's writing and the BBC drama play. And it certainly has me reading more medieval history/philosophy as well! Such a good book and one I feel like I'll have to read a few times to fully grasp.
Excellent review. I definitely recommend his other books - "Baudolino" and "L' Isola del Giorno prima" especially.
Thank you! I recently bought a copy of Baudolino so I do plan to read more of his books!
The thing that really annoyed me about this book is that the characters keep speaking latin and no translation is given so you lose parts of the dialogue because of it
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I'm not a reader just a youtube junkie not an actual junkie to be clear lol. I learned about umberto eco through my discovery of the topic of semiotics, umberto eco is a semiotician and he got alot of peoples attention onto the topic. Semiotics has a phenomenal history probably not so surprising to you back to the middleages but that's even less known than semiotics.
Unfortunately it's main use right now is promotional work in other words advertisements. Semiotics is a really powerful tool maybe the most powerful to be honest and doing advertisements is where people can do their biggest *flexing* the earliest in their career.
Umberto eco is considered a structuralist, post-structuralist hybrid. Structuralism is basically mystical empiricism, and I'm sure you know empiricism. The problem with empiricism and structuralism is they have no apparent "meaning" I say it's more that they dont send you anywhere. Poststructuralism is like giving a purpose to the information your talking about some way of putting it to use. Structuralism is a fairly new philosophy but empiricism has been fueling science for hundreds of years amazingly both empiricism and structuralism were created at different times alongside the recreation of semiotics by 300~ years! And the last time semiotics came up it came at the same time in two different locations (semiotics/semiology).
Semiotics is fairly new to me but there is alot that it is tied to it that I'm interested in that caused me to find it. It's really a topic about everything people who go their whole lives without learning its value I'm sad for.
Absolutely fascinating! I confess I didn't know about semiotics before reading Umberto Eco but it's a really interesting topic. Thank you for sharing all this information!
@@AnneEWilliamson it is genuinely difficult to see why semiotics is so valuable at the surface most people who go to school for it are accidentally doing the best thing they could do IMO.
Poststructuralism is structuralism without structure. So it's nothing. Or, philosophically speaking, nihilism.
Love your thumbnail! The knife and dress are 🔥 this sounds so cool!
Thank you! It's a really interesting book!
If you search IEF in UA-cam theres a semiotic analysis live stream of Umberto Eco tomorrow. I have been listening to that (and others) channels lectures testing my understanding of semiotics I think it's something people really need to know more about right now. But nobody cares 😭 it's still very cool stuff to listen to though.
Thank you! I'll have to tune in if I have time.
Oh, sweet summer child.. four stars?
I read the first italian edition of this book when I was 16. 39 years ago alas. I've alway been noticing how the anglo-saxon readers are much like capturing only the fine details of the story, which is the first level of the book's structure. As Eco had just written an other Agatha Christies murder plot. There is an other rather subterranean level of the book which is synthesized in the word: "nominalism" I don't really hear a thing from you about it, not even a mention. An other world would open to you. Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
I would be curious to know if you can extrapolate on what you think we are missing while expressing the thought purely in English. Because there is more than one thing going on here, as befitting the subject matter.
A certain element simply cannot translate because idiom can't fully express experience unless it's shared. Anyone who isn't themselves Italian will certainly miss a fundamental level of the text. I quite enjoy this band from France, but even knowing something of the language, there's so obviously so much France specific context that I could at best only learn the significance of later instead of immediately sussing out an inside reference.
Atop that, the reviewer is clearly intelligent, and it's always nice to see young people reading. But the youthful naivete runs really deep in this video. Who even ever heard of a Catholic who can't pronounce Jorge?
Wikipedia is right this time around. Bell peppers came from the Americas. So there is no way a 14th-century monk would be munching on them. Unless he was a time traveler. But this is the wrong genre.
And the symbolism makes sense when you think that Eco (one of my favorite authors) is a linguist specializing in semiotics even more than he is an author.
Yeah, definitely wrong genre. A time traveling monk, lol. Though the more I learn about Eco, the more fascinating he is! I really want to delve into more of his books.
@@AnneEWilliamson I've read probably 5-6 of his. They aren't easy, but they are great, Name of the Rose is the best.
Unique reading indeed, too sad they decided to replace the phrases in latin with their english translations, as the former contribute to the immersion.
Oh? My copy had most of the phrases still in Latin. Though I couldn't read the Latin anyway, lol. If only I knew Latin and Italian, then I could read the original!
@@AnneEWilliamson You dont need to know latin, as you can always check the internet or postscript to the name of the Rose. They certainly add weight to what the characters said, even though some people would take these phrases as some unnecessary snobbery on Eco's behalf. I personally like Ubertino's at the end of the sixth hour of the first day: "mors est quies viatoris finis est omnis laboris" or "death is the travelers' rest, the end of all work".
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