"The Name of the Rose" is my favourite book and the film is actually one of my favourite movies as well, though obviously for different reasons. I just love the atmosphere and the music and the look of the film so much! I'd definitely suggest reading Eco's "Postscript to the Name of the Rose" which is a separate (short) book about the book. "The Key to the Name of the Rose" is a great companion as well and explains a lot of the references and historical events. As for similar books, look no further than "Foucault's Pendulum" which is quite similar except that it's about more modern philosophy and conspiracy theories instead of medieval philosophy and theology. Wonderful book but much, much harder to read and denser than "Name of the Rose".
I read the first italian edition of this book when I was 16. 39 years ago alas. I've alway been noticing how the anglo-saxon readers are much like capturing only the fine details of the story, which is the first level of the book's structure. As Eco had just written an other Agatha Christies murder plot. There is an other rather subterranean level of the book which is synthesized in the word: "nominalism" I don't really hear a thing from you about it, not even a mention. An other world would open to you. Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
I would be curious to know if you can extrapolate on what you think we are missing while expressing the thought purely in English. Because there is more than one thing going on here, as befitting the subject matter. A certain element simply cannot translate because idiom can't fully express experience unless it's shared. Anyone who isn't themselves Italian will certainly miss a fundamental level of the text. I quite enjoy this band from France, but even knowing something of the language, there's so obviously so much France specific context that I could at best only learn the significance of later instead of immediately sussing out an inside reference. Atop that, the reviewer is clearly intelligent, and it's always nice to see young people reading. But the youthful naivete runs really deep in this video. Who even ever heard of a Catholic who can't pronounce Jorge?
One of my top favourite books ever! I read it multiple times. It's just extraordinary. It made me fall in love with medieval history and philosophy. If you're interested in this subject, i'd suggest you to read "History of Medieval Philosophy" by Etienne Gilson, one of the most esteemed professors of medieval culture in modern european history. As for the Name of the Rose, you should listen to a BBC drama play that is currently available on youtube. It's absolutely brilliant!
Thank you for the recommendations! I'll look about both Gilson's writing and the BBC drama play. And it certainly has me reading more medieval history/philosophy as well! Such a good book and one I feel like I'll have to read a few times to fully grasp.
Oh wow I thought that Eco lived like bajillion years ago. Probably because the book is set in medieval times (and somehow I knew that). I think my best friend read this when we were in college. I'd like to read it, but there is no way that I'll be able to focus on it right now. Loved your review! I didn't watch spoiler part though.
I'm not a reader just a youtube junkie not an actual junkie to be clear lol. I learned about umberto eco through my discovery of the topic of semiotics, umberto eco is a semiotician and he got alot of peoples attention onto the topic. Semiotics has a phenomenal history probably not so surprising to you back to the middleages but that's even less known than semiotics. Unfortunately it's main use right now is promotional work in other words advertisements. Semiotics is a really powerful tool maybe the most powerful to be honest and doing advertisements is where people can do their biggest *flexing* the earliest in their career. Umberto eco is considered a structuralist, post-structuralist hybrid. Structuralism is basically mystical empiricism, and I'm sure you know empiricism. The problem with empiricism and structuralism is they have no apparent "meaning" I say it's more that they dont send you anywhere. Poststructuralism is like giving a purpose to the information your talking about some way of putting it to use. Structuralism is a fairly new philosophy but empiricism has been fueling science for hundreds of years amazingly both empiricism and structuralism were created at different times alongside the recreation of semiotics by 300~ years! And the last time semiotics came up it came at the same time in two different locations (semiotics/semiology). Semiotics is fairly new to me but there is alot that it is tied to it that I'm interested in that caused me to find it. It's really a topic about everything people who go their whole lives without learning its value I'm sad for.
Absolutely fascinating! I confess I didn't know about semiotics before reading Umberto Eco but it's a really interesting topic. Thank you for sharing all this information!
@@AnneEWilliamson it is genuinely difficult to see why semiotics is so valuable at the surface most people who go to school for it are accidentally doing the best thing they could do IMO.
If you search IEF in UA-cam theres a semiotic analysis live stream of Umberto Eco tomorrow. I have been listening to that (and others) channels lectures testing my understanding of semiotics I think it's something people really need to know more about right now. But nobody cares 😭 it's still very cool stuff to listen to though.
This was very interesting. I had no idea this story was a book. I had seen the movie and didn't like it much. I just remembered it feeling disjointed. The philosophical storyline sounds so much more enjoyable. I don't know much about medieval philosophy but my cousin teaches philosophy at a Catholic University. I'll have to ask him for some recommendations ☺️ Your dress is beautiful and I love the color! Did you make it yourself?
Thank you! I did make it myself. And if your cousin gives you any good recommendations, I would love to know! I want to get into medieval philosophy more. And this book was so much better than the movie!
@@AnneEWilliamson the book is definitely more interesting, intriguing and thought-provoking than the film. It's a masterpiece of literature. Lots of important stuff was left out of the film to make the story more appealing to mainstream audiences. The book is way too dense and difficult for the avarage reader or viewer. The film is entirely focused on the murder mystery but i believe it's well-done and it's very thrilling. Its dark and grotesque atmosphere is quite unique.
@@lucagiovanetti9870 I could not agree more! I watched the film years ago and while it's not a bad film, I didn't like it enough to read the book. It's a pity that dissuaded me from reading the book before this, because the movie leaves out most of the really deep conversations which makes the book so interesting. Another example of the book being better then the movie.
@@AnneEWilliamson i liked it a lot! And i watched it several times. I think it's quite suspenseful, thrilling and captivating as a murder mystery. Not bad at all. It's quite understandable that they left out most of the political, philosophical, theological and historical issues of the novel. People wouldn't have enjoyed it. Mainstream audiences don't usually care about that stuff. So they simplified the story to please the avarage movie goer. It's nowhere near as good as the book but it's an overall enjoyable film. I like dark and gothic murder mysteries. And...by the way...here in Europe it's considered a cult classic!
Wikipedia is right this time around. Bell peppers came from the Americas. So there is no way a 14th-century monk would be munching on them. Unless he was a time traveler. But this is the wrong genre. And the symbolism makes sense when you think that Eco (one of my favorite authors) is a linguist specializing in semiotics even more than he is an author.
Yeah, definitely wrong genre. A time traveling monk, lol. Though the more I learn about Eco, the more fascinating he is! I really want to delve into more of his books.
Unique reading indeed, too sad they decided to replace the phrases in latin with their english translations, as the former contribute to the immersion.
Oh? My copy had most of the phrases still in Latin. Though I couldn't read the Latin anyway, lol. If only I knew Latin and Italian, then I could read the original!
@@AnneEWilliamson You dont need to know latin, as you can always check the internet or postscript to the name of the Rose. They certainly add weight to what the characters said, even though some people would take these phrases as some unnecessary snobbery on Eco's behalf. I personally like Ubertino's at the end of the sixth hour of the first day: "mors est quies viatoris finis est omnis laboris" or "death is the travelers' rest, the end of all work".
"The Name of the Rose" is my favourite book and the film is actually one of my favourite movies as well, though obviously for different reasons. I just love the atmosphere and the music and the look of the film so much!
I'd definitely suggest reading Eco's "Postscript to the Name of the Rose" which is a separate (short) book about the book. "The Key to the Name of the Rose" is a great companion as well and explains a lot of the references and historical events.
As for similar books, look no further than "Foucault's Pendulum" which is quite similar except that it's about more modern philosophy and conspiracy theories instead of medieval philosophy and theology. Wonderful book but much, much harder to read and denser than "Name of the Rose".
I read the first italian edition of this book when I was 16. 39 years ago alas. I've alway been noticing how the anglo-saxon readers are much like capturing only the fine details of the story, which is the first level of the book's structure. As Eco had just written an other Agatha Christies murder plot. There is an other rather subterranean level of the book which is synthesized in the word: "nominalism" I don't really hear a thing from you about it, not even a mention. An other world would open to you. Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
I would be curious to know if you can extrapolate on what you think we are missing while expressing the thought purely in English. Because there is more than one thing going on here, as befitting the subject matter.
A certain element simply cannot translate because idiom can't fully express experience unless it's shared. Anyone who isn't themselves Italian will certainly miss a fundamental level of the text. I quite enjoy this band from France, but even knowing something of the language, there's so obviously so much France specific context that I could at best only learn the significance of later instead of immediately sussing out an inside reference.
Atop that, the reviewer is clearly intelligent, and it's always nice to see young people reading. But the youthful naivete runs really deep in this video. Who even ever heard of a Catholic who can't pronounce Jorge?
Oh, sweet summer child.. four stars?
One of my top favourite books ever! I read it multiple times. It's just extraordinary. It made me fall in love with medieval history and philosophy. If you're interested in this subject, i'd suggest you to read "History of Medieval Philosophy" by Etienne Gilson, one of the most esteemed professors of medieval culture in modern european history. As for the Name of the Rose, you should listen to a BBC drama play that is currently available on youtube. It's absolutely brilliant!
Thank you for the recommendations! I'll look about both Gilson's writing and the BBC drama play. And it certainly has me reading more medieval history/philosophy as well! Such a good book and one I feel like I'll have to read a few times to fully grasp.
Oh wow I thought that Eco lived like bajillion years ago. Probably because the book is set in medieval times (and somehow I knew that). I think my best friend read this when we were in college. I'd like to read it, but there is no way that I'll be able to focus on it right now. Loved your review! I didn't watch spoiler part though.
I thought Umberto wrote longer ago too! Still a good book, lol. Definitely skip the spoilers! I think you would like reading it.
Excellent review. I definitely recommend his other books - "Baudolino" and "L' Isola del Giorno prima" especially.
Thank you! I recently bought a copy of Baudolino so I do plan to read more of his books!
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Thank you! It's a really interesting book!
I'm not a reader just a youtube junkie not an actual junkie to be clear lol. I learned about umberto eco through my discovery of the topic of semiotics, umberto eco is a semiotician and he got alot of peoples attention onto the topic. Semiotics has a phenomenal history probably not so surprising to you back to the middleages but that's even less known than semiotics.
Unfortunately it's main use right now is promotional work in other words advertisements. Semiotics is a really powerful tool maybe the most powerful to be honest and doing advertisements is where people can do their biggest *flexing* the earliest in their career.
Umberto eco is considered a structuralist, post-structuralist hybrid. Structuralism is basically mystical empiricism, and I'm sure you know empiricism. The problem with empiricism and structuralism is they have no apparent "meaning" I say it's more that they dont send you anywhere. Poststructuralism is like giving a purpose to the information your talking about some way of putting it to use. Structuralism is a fairly new philosophy but empiricism has been fueling science for hundreds of years amazingly both empiricism and structuralism were created at different times alongside the recreation of semiotics by 300~ years! And the last time semiotics came up it came at the same time in two different locations (semiotics/semiology).
Semiotics is fairly new to me but there is alot that it is tied to it that I'm interested in that caused me to find it. It's really a topic about everything people who go their whole lives without learning its value I'm sad for.
Absolutely fascinating! I confess I didn't know about semiotics before reading Umberto Eco but it's a really interesting topic. Thank you for sharing all this information!
@@AnneEWilliamson it is genuinely difficult to see why semiotics is so valuable at the surface most people who go to school for it are accidentally doing the best thing they could do IMO.
If you search IEF in UA-cam theres a semiotic analysis live stream of Umberto Eco tomorrow. I have been listening to that (and others) channels lectures testing my understanding of semiotics I think it's something people really need to know more about right now. But nobody cares 😭 it's still very cool stuff to listen to though.
Thank you! I'll have to tune in if I have time.
This was very interesting. I had no idea this story was a book. I had seen the movie and didn't like it much. I just remembered it feeling disjointed. The philosophical storyline sounds so much more enjoyable. I don't know much about medieval philosophy but my cousin teaches philosophy at a Catholic University. I'll have to ask him for some recommendations ☺️
Your dress is beautiful and I love the color! Did you make it yourself?
Thank you! I did make it myself. And if your cousin gives you any good recommendations, I would love to know! I want to get into medieval philosophy more. And this book was so much better than the movie!
@@AnneEWilliamson the book is definitely more interesting, intriguing and thought-provoking than the film. It's a masterpiece of literature. Lots of important stuff was left out of the film to make the story more appealing to mainstream audiences. The book is way too dense and difficult for the avarage reader or viewer. The film is entirely focused on the murder mystery but i believe it's well-done and it's very thrilling. Its dark and grotesque atmosphere is quite unique.
@@lucagiovanetti9870 I could not agree more! I watched the film years ago and while it's not a bad film, I didn't like it enough to read the book. It's a pity that dissuaded me from reading the book before this, because the movie leaves out most of the really deep conversations which makes the book so interesting. Another example of the book being better then the movie.
@@AnneEWilliamson i liked it a lot! And i watched it several times. I think it's quite suspenseful, thrilling and captivating as a murder mystery. Not bad at all. It's quite understandable that they left out most of the political, philosophical, theological and historical issues of the novel. People wouldn't have enjoyed it. Mainstream audiences don't usually care about that stuff. So they simplified the story to please the avarage movie goer. It's nowhere near as good as the book but it's an overall enjoyable film. I like dark and gothic murder mysteries. And...by the way...here in Europe it's considered a cult classic!
Wikipedia is right this time around. Bell peppers came from the Americas. So there is no way a 14th-century monk would be munching on them. Unless he was a time traveler. But this is the wrong genre.
And the symbolism makes sense when you think that Eco (one of my favorite authors) is a linguist specializing in semiotics even more than he is an author.
Yeah, definitely wrong genre. A time traveling monk, lol. Though the more I learn about Eco, the more fascinating he is! I really want to delve into more of his books.
@@AnneEWilliamson I've read probably 5-6 of his. They aren't easy, but they are great, Name of the Rose is the best.
Unique reading indeed, too sad they decided to replace the phrases in latin with their english translations, as the former contribute to the immersion.
Oh? My copy had most of the phrases still in Latin. Though I couldn't read the Latin anyway, lol. If only I knew Latin and Italian, then I could read the original!
@@AnneEWilliamson You dont need to know latin, as you can always check the internet or postscript to the name of the Rose. They certainly add weight to what the characters said, even though some people would take these phrases as some unnecessary snobbery on Eco's behalf. I personally like Ubertino's at the end of the sixth hour of the first day: "mors est quies viatoris finis est omnis laboris" or "death is the travelers' rest, the end of all work".