Calls for academic to be sacked after ‘encouraging’ children to chant anti-Israel slogans

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  • Shadow Education Minister Sarah Henderson has called for Macquarie University academic Randa Abdel-Fattah to be sacked and stripped of grant funding after she was seen '‘encouraging" children to chant anti-Israel slogans.
    It comes as a video shows Ms Abdel-Fatah standing with children at Sydney University and clapping along as a young child leads a chant of “intifada, intifada”.
    Ms Henderson said Ms Abdel-Fatah should be stripped of her Australian Research Council grant funding and removed from her position at Macquarie University.
    “I’ve called for that grant, a very substantial amount of money $837,000, to be terminated - again, the Education Minister Jason Clare has refused to intervene which is absolutely pathetic, absolutely spinless,” Ms Henderson told Sky News host Chris Kenny.
    “It is very clear that this academic has breached the responsible code of research which applies to every Australian Research Council grant.
    “The indoctrination of children, encouraging them to make these threatening and violent chants is absolutely appalling.
    “She needs to be sacked and the ARC grant needs to be cancelled.”

КОМЕНТАРІ • 260

  • @cpt.wellarde
    @cpt.wellarde 28 днів тому +66

    Sacked? She should be arrested, charged and, depending on her citizenship status, either deported or incarcerated.

    • @az-yq3rk
      @az-yq3rk 26 днів тому

      @cpt.well, Aust born writer and lawyer researched Islamophobia for teen romance novel 🤣🤮😠Needs reminding that Sharia Law is illegal in Australia.

    • @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce
      @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce 23 дні тому

      NO ONE CHANT AGAINST ISRAEL ALL WE ARE ASKING IS TO ISRAEL STOP KILLING PALESTINIANS AND STOP OCCUPATION

  • @kellybalfour5321
    @kellybalfour5321 28 днів тому +110

    Sick of them bringing hate to our country it has nothing to do with us at all. If they support hamas they should leave.

    • @cl-he9us
      @cl-he9us 28 днів тому

      Are you drunk? Many protesters are local white kids and they just oppose mass killing of innocent Palestinian women and children. They DO NOT support Hamas at all. Don't you realize that you yourself are an unreasonable hater and racist

    • @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce
      @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce 23 дні тому

      NO ONE CHANT AGAINST ISRAEL ALL WE ARE ASKING IS TO ISRAEL STOP KILLING PALESTINIANS AND STOP OCCUPATION

  • @YonieZukowsky51
    @YonieZukowsky51 28 днів тому +190

    As anti-Israel slogans trend our societies inexorably descend. I stand with Israel against Hamas and Islamic terror.

    • @bigd1558
      @bigd1558 28 днів тому +27

      Palestine will be free... Free from Hamas and palestinians. From the River to the Sea Israel is all that will be. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 Mauslemz lost the war. Right now gazans are running, crying and praying to their pdf-file prophet and his 6yo wife. Will he save them? Nope. Justice for Aisha. Without lies, islam dies.

    • @kathrynanneperry4651
      @kathrynanneperry4651 28 днів тому

      ​@@bigd1558From which river and which sea?

    • @Karak-_-
      @Karak-_- 28 днів тому

      ​@@bigd1558Don't you think you are going a step to far?

    • @tokyosundeiru2006
      @tokyosundeiru2006 28 днів тому

      @@kathrynanneperry4651The river Thames to the North Sea. Gohhhd!

    • @mariahewitt9787
      @mariahewitt9787 28 днів тому +1

      ​@@bigd1558
      The 3rd Oldest Christian Church in the World, is Located in Gaza Palestine.
      St Pophyrios Orthodox Church, Dating back to 425 C E.
      19th October 2023 the Church was hit by an Israeli Airstrike, while 500 Civilians were sheltering in the Church, causing extensive damage.

  • @baddbbug
    @baddbbug 28 днів тому +32

    Whom ever got those children to chant that, should be put in jail.

    • @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce
      @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce 23 дні тому

      NO ONE CHANT AGAINST ISRAEL ALL WE ARE ASKING IS TO ISRAEL STOP KILLING PALESTINIANS AND STOP OCCUPATION

    • @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce
      @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce 23 дні тому

      NO ONE CHANT AGAINST ISRAEL ALL WE ARE ASKING IS TO ISRAEL STOP KILLING PALESTINIANS AND STOP OCCUPATION

    • @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce
      @CristianmediceCosta-lg7ce 23 дні тому

      NO ONE CHANT AGAINST ISRAEL ALL WE ARE ASKING IS TO ISRAEL STOP KILLING PALESTINIANS AND STOP OCCUPATION

  • @nataliejoan437
    @nataliejoan437 28 днів тому +100

    As a mother and grandmother, this is absolutely appalling! People need to remember that the word ‘Hamas’ means violence, just read your bibles. We need to keep praying for our country, the world and protection from the evil forces all around us 🙏❤️

    • @patriciamccann2118
      @patriciamccann2118 28 днів тому +1

      stop praying and do something god helps those who help themselves

    • @mariahewitt9787
      @mariahewitt9787 28 днів тому

      Avner Cohen, a former Religious Affairs Official who Worked in Gaza for over two Decades, Said.
      "Hamas to my great regret, is Israel's Creation "

    • @wl2977
      @wl2977 28 днів тому

      ​@@mariahewitt9787blaming others is an ancient old trick. By the way, most of the Muslim countries are underdeveloped, all Israel's fault?

    • @paulchilds9053
      @paulchilds9053 28 днів тому +2

      ​@@mariahewitt9787say's you 🤔

    • @tokyosundeiru2006
      @tokyosundeiru2006 28 днів тому +2

      @@mariahewitt9787I just googled it. He was definitely referring to Hummus but the AI translation got it wrong.

  • @DOWNUNDER.
    @DOWNUNDER. 28 днів тому +55

    There are real students that want to learn , they deserve a refund,

  • @kennethwilkinson3589
    @kennethwilkinson3589 28 днів тому +49

    Should be more than sacked, should be charged under elbowkneezys hate speech laws!👎🏻. ❤️🇦🇺❤️🇦🇺

    • @cl-he9us
      @cl-he9us 28 днів тому

      Then you should be charged first because you are chanting hate slogan right here

    • @paulchilds9053
      @paulchilds9053 28 днів тому +3

      ​@@cl-he9uswhat do you think you just did 😂😂

    • @eversun77
      @eversun77 28 днів тому +5

      @@cl-he9usWhat are you like 3 years old or something? What don’t you leave the serious discussion to the adults?

  • @KIA-MIA-POW
    @KIA-MIA-POW 28 днів тому +72

    One look at the administration staff at Sydney University is more than enough to convince even the less intelligent that they are all out of their collective minds.

    • @colinmeehan791
      @colinmeehan791 28 днів тому +9

      UNIs are a magnet for drop kicks.

    • @warrenbridges1891
      @warrenbridges1891 28 днів тому +8

      @KIA-MIA-POW Thank Christ my missus jumped ship 24 years ago. She always said outside of work, they couldn't tie their shoe laces.

    • @kyliemoronogue
      @kyliemoronogue 28 днів тому

      ​@@colinmeehan791So is manual labouring work and the like. But without such dropkicks, A Current Affair would have no content. 😆😂😅😭

  • @mandy7422
    @mandy7422 28 днів тому +23

    As a Australian thats disgusting and getting children to do this omg that is shameful

  • @timrohds750
    @timrohds750 28 днів тому +12

    Stop the funding

  • @christinecavanagh5906
    @christinecavanagh5906 27 днів тому +8

    Yes she should be sacked and deported

  • @andrew6526
    @andrew6526 28 днів тому +73

    Arafat Albo and Benny Wong are letting this happen. We simply need a better government, Vote One Nation 🇦🇺

    • @creditelectric
      @creditelectric 28 днів тому +2

      Pauline has no idea which countries are Muslim or so she would have us believe.

    • @paulchilds9053
      @paulchilds9053 28 днів тому +1

      ​@@creditelectricso your part of the problem we are all in. 🐑🐑 Voting for the big 3 😂

    • @Eric-kn4yn
      @Eric-kn4yn 28 днів тому

      ​​@@creditelectricpauline knows australia isnt muslim and she wants it to stay that way.

    • @creditelectric
      @creditelectric 28 днів тому

      @@paulchilds9053 You don't know what she said under oath in court?

    • @az-yq3rk
      @az-yq3rk 26 днів тому

      Arafat Albo 🤣🤣🤣my fav so far 😠Sharia Law - Caliphate - Jihad - Muhammad & Aisha are all illegal in Australian Law. see, Haj Amin Al-Husseini quotes - and also - Full Official record: what the mufti said to Hilter.

  • @jeremyspencer1505
    @jeremyspencer1505 28 днів тому +29

    We need better leadership

  • @area51isreal71
    @area51isreal71 28 днів тому +41

    Universities used to be a place of learning and you could take pride in getting a placing. Now they are places for protesters to gather. Pro Palestine chants give them something new, they must have grown tired of the climate change thing.

    • @paulchilds9053
      @paulchilds9053 28 днів тому

      Teachers in universities and colleges use to mean Highly educated now it means highly uneducated drop kick's 🤔

    • @eversun77
      @eversun77 28 днів тому

      Yep, they’re just Communist/Marxist breeding grounds.

  • @Neo_Red_Pill
    @Neo_Red_Pill 28 днів тому +11

    It’s deeply disturbing that the generation of parents have worked hard and paid for young people to go to universities to be radicalised and used by activists

  • @DOWNUNDER.
    @DOWNUNDER. 28 днів тому +18

    Disgraceful, USYD AINT WORTH SHIT

    • @kyliemoronogue
      @kyliemoronogue 28 днів тому +1

      Most High Court judges graduated from University of Sydney.

    • @mariahewitt9787
      @mariahewitt9787 28 днів тому

      You support Genocide?

    • @DOWNUNDER.
      @DOWNUNDER. 28 днів тому +1

      @mariahewitt9787 no, that's why I support Israel 💯

    • @DOWNUNDER.
      @DOWNUNDER. 28 днів тому +1

      @kyliemoronogue SO ? high court judges would of been students there 20 to 30 years ago,

    • @kyliemoronogue
      @kyliemoronogue 28 днів тому

      @@DOWNUNDER. You made a sweeping generalisation about the university. That's the point.
      It's would've (short for would have). Not would of.

  • @kcrjmj7613
    @kcrjmj7613 28 днів тому +34

    Look what's happening in US. Expect The same course here soon.

    • @user-en9jk8rf8v
      @user-en9jk8rf8v 28 днів тому +4

      Soon! Look around, we are leading

    • @vicmarx-sl5xz
      @vicmarx-sl5xz 28 днів тому +1

      Good luck to the South Africans who ran away from here, we will be watching closely.😅

    • @jenniferharrison8915
      @jenniferharrison8915 28 днів тому +1

      Albo encourages copycats, it makes him look like an equal! 😏

  • @armourup4876
    @armourup4876 27 днів тому +1

    Disappointing that this nonsense is happening in Australia!

  • @sweettickityboo5219
    @sweettickityboo5219 26 днів тому +1

    With the current rental crisis in Sydney, they should be charging these students $100 a day to camp there. Bet you they'd pack up real quick.

  • @PeterCunningham-rk5qk
    @PeterCunningham-rk5qk 28 днів тому +2

    Children have an innate right to innocence as well as all the status that Human rights imbibe. This "academic" is using her funded privilege to influence young innocent minds who are incapable of understanding the context of what they are chanting even if it may have some relevant context ,which it doesn't, and her behaviour is abhorrent, deeply disturbing and reeks of the most blatant self interest imaginable. Defund and dismiss her immediately

  • @user-do5ft8rr6s
    @user-do5ft8rr6s 28 днів тому +12

    Already happening now in Melbourne. Wonder if the Vic. gov. will organize tents plus vegan and gluten free catering.

  • @lesleycollis7520
    @lesleycollis7520 28 днів тому +13

    CHILD ABUSE MONEY TO UNI SHOULD BE WITHDRAWN AND CHARGES

  • @MP-ye6tv
    @MP-ye6tv 28 днів тому +12

    can’t misgender but antisemitic / pro-Humus chants are ok… WTAF

  • @JACKDAWFISH
    @JACKDAWFISH 28 днів тому +4

    Notice how all western countries have the exact same behaviors happening simultaneously? Not a coincidence.

  • @miller486a
    @miller486a 28 днів тому +6

    There is a slim line between protest and occupation.

  • @user-en9jk8rf8v
    @user-en9jk8rf8v 28 днів тому +10

    Did the parents know their children were going to be used like this

  • @resurrectionevil6581
    @resurrectionevil6581 28 днів тому +3

    using children to spew your political war chants is a line that should never be crossed. I don't care what side anyone takes on this palatine or Isreal war; kids should not be dragged into adult politics. Same thing for Russia and Ukraine; leave the kids out of this.

  • @karinabrampt1556
    @karinabrampt1556 28 днів тому +10

    Please tell me were those children Muslim? Because the lens was blurred. Understandably, because the child leading them sounded no older than six years of age. But, yet there is more. This type behaviour is the training given to Palestinian children in Gaza and the West Bank (Judea and Samaria).

  • @donaldrossalexander9388
    @donaldrossalexander9388 27 днів тому +2

    We have to get rid of Labor!

  • @chanjackie2299
    @chanjackie2299 28 днів тому +20

    Free us from our brains, free us from thinking, free us from our freedom !

  • @hotchihuahua1546
    @hotchihuahua1546 28 днів тому +7

    It is a signal !
    Take it for what it’s worth but it isn’t good !

  • @b.dangerfield6499
    @b.dangerfield6499 28 днів тому +2

    Universities have a reputation?…. Yeah… a shit one!

  • @user-en9jk8rf8v
    @user-en9jk8rf8v 28 днів тому +12

    In my street all the muslim women are now wearing binliners, nice and tight....some of these women have been living in this street for close to two decades..so something is going on, seems the tactic is top to bottom

    • @kathrynanneperry4651
      @kathrynanneperry4651 28 днів тому +1

      Have they ever done you any harm?

    • @user-en9jk8rf8v
      @user-en9jk8rf8v 28 днів тому +6

      ​@@kathrynanneperry4651not yet, but i imagine it won't be long

    • @nardinoo1951
      @nardinoo1951 28 днів тому +2

      It's weird that a religious group of people who follow a god who requires pray 5 times a day. Prolong fasting and asks for good deeds by his followers acts with such aggression and hatred. You think that as they practise what they believe that would result in something good

    • @neilpalmer3170
      @neilpalmer3170 28 днів тому +1

      @@kathrynanneperry4651take off your rose tinted specs if you think all is ok. All do gooders, including yourself will realise how wrong you were when they turn on you. Wake up fool
      They despise everything not Muslim and will think nothing of doing harm to yourself & loved ones when the call comes.

    • @user-en9jk8rf8v
      @user-en9jk8rf8v 28 днів тому +2

      @@nardinoo1951 that same god also taug h t them to lie if it helped their cause,

  • @TheWaynos73
    @TheWaynos73 28 днів тому +1

    Yep. Your job is to educate not to get involved in political movements.

  • @franktully3065
    @franktully3065 27 днів тому +1

    Sarah Henderson, former employee of "our" ABC, is talking the good talk here, but does she support the Coalition's lack of interest in a Royal Commission into draconian government behaviour during Covid?
    Does she support "misinformation" laws or Australians being subjected to proposed WHO intrusions into civil liberties? These are vote deciding issues.

  • @edwindelgado8775
    @edwindelgado8775 28 днів тому +6

    These people are so concerned about the children then poison their minds with this crap and CRT 🤦😄

  • @dinahgien2845
    @dinahgien2845 26 днів тому +2

    Good will always win over evil. I stand with Israel 🇮🇱

  • @garyjones4001
    @garyjones4001 28 днів тому +4

    If the perents were there call docs

  • @Eric-kn4yn
    @Eric-kn4yn 28 днів тому +3

    Give you good idea who israel is dealing with.

  • @victoriayvette788
    @victoriayvette788 26 днів тому

    Not just sacked but arrested

  • @JenE3377
    @JenE3377 28 днів тому +3

    Hamas is an Arabic acronym for Harakat
    al-Muqawamah al-Islamiyya," which
    means "The Islamic Resistance
    Movement." But "hamas" is also an Arabic
    word that means "zeal."
    Although Arabic and Hebrew are sister
    languages, the Hebrew meaning of
    "chamas" is "violence," according to the
    Hebrew-English volume of Reuben
    Alcalay's Hebrew-English, English-Hebrew
    dictionary. "Cruelty" and "injustice" are
    additional definitions, but not "zeal."
    Truth is thus stranger than fiction. For
    Israel and for Jews everywhere, chamas
    indeed means violence, in its terrorist
    form.
    A second curiosity of language: In Spanish
    the word "jamas" pronounced the same
    way as in Hebrew, means "ever and
    "forever." In their zeal to eliminate Israel
    from the face of the earth, a vow they
    regularly and ardently proclaim, Hamas
    terrorists leave no doubt in anyone's mind
    that they will never ever cease their efforts
    to do so.

  • @bettyboop7426
    @bettyboop7426 28 днів тому +2

    Disgusting behaviour and my niece years ago thought it was to do drugs because a uni lecturer stated as a country we are suppressed and drugs are an understandable way to cope Load of B.S influencing young minds

  • @michelejackson2184
    @michelejackson2184 26 днів тому

    Universities should be neutral and not get involved in politics!! Simple!

  • @GM-jf4jm
    @GM-jf4jm 28 днів тому +5

    Send to Gaza

    • @TimMorrello.0145
      @TimMorrello.0145 27 днів тому

      To 💣 them freely? Man, that's a maniac mentality!

  • @AnchorsAweighNarooma
    @AnchorsAweighNarooma 26 днів тому

    Policies/law/reason out the window, by universities. Allow the adminstration to come forward and explaine WHY this is allowed..Job smacked.

  • @user-rf2ko8hr1n
    @user-rf2ko8hr1n 28 днів тому +1

    remember when groups in NY forced diners to say Black Lives Matter?

  • @KK-ol3bf
    @KK-ol3bf 26 днів тому

    This is disgusting! It's not safe - why do we want this kind of division in our communities?

  • @creditelectric
    @creditelectric 28 днів тому +1

    A balanced article was published in Fairfax today about the tents on campuses, the trash tabloid style media are part of the problem.

  • @garycooper7224
    @garycooper7224 28 днів тому

    Politics should be kept out of the classroom. They can make their own minds up when they are older.

  • @brushandshovel6512
    @brushandshovel6512 26 днів тому

    I think the university professors need a bit of a slap around. They are woke but not awake! If these people are academics the universities are in big trouble!

  • @jacobcohen9205
    @jacobcohen9205 22 дні тому

    Twelve months ago, few of these students could have pointed out Gaza on a map, and they were probably unable to spell it either.

  • @jacobcohen9205
    @jacobcohen9205 22 дні тому

    Its disgusting what these children are being brainwashed into doing.The lecturer must be sacked.

  • @AdLockhorst-bf8pz
    @AdLockhorst-bf8pz 28 днів тому +1

    Thought indoctrination was the job of politicians and religious types, not scientists and educators 🤷 silly me, eh!

  • @georgelooney8949
    @georgelooney8949 28 днів тому

    Get rid of it? They created it.

  • @ianlloyd1182
    @ianlloyd1182 25 днів тому

    Getting the children to chant such things is child abuse. It’s disgusting and those who organized this and supported it are irresponsible and disgusting individuals.

  • @WitchDoctor.933
    @WitchDoctor.933 28 днів тому +6

    Is she a mate of Professor Spitties. 😆

  • @user-ko6jm7sb9t
    @user-ko6jm7sb9t 27 днів тому

    🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

  • @irispect6565
    @irispect6565 27 днів тому

    Roseville Colledge on the north shore pray for Palestinians and have been for the last 10 years. Nice Anglican school

  • @amitbt69
    @amitbt69 24 дні тому

    Gen z lost its way

  • @johnmancini4700
    @johnmancini4700 28 днів тому

    Again goes to show words, policies and procedures are all just spin. Because when they clearly should be applied, cowardice prevails. Pathetic.

  • @gindaburra
    @gindaburra 27 днів тому

    From Darling River to Tasman sea
    Jewstralia will be free
    See, not racist.

  • @irispect6565
    @irispect6565 27 днів тому

    They teach the next generation to hate

  • @Eric-kn4yn
    @Eric-kn4yn 28 днів тому +1

    Palestinians didnt know hamas had turned gaza into an armed fortress firing 13+k and counting rockets into israel.

  • @nazmi5337
    @nazmi5337 26 днів тому

    Palestine ❤Yemen ❤Russia ❤Ireland ❤Scotland ❤Iran ❤Africa ❤L America ❤

  • @domenicamassaro8221
    @domenicamassaro8221 27 днів тому

    Who is the enemy here: the students or the Netanyahu Cabinet and its war crimes?

  • @UltraPerception
    @UltraPerception 28 днів тому +1

    SKy UK showed a vid of somebody lobbed a Firework into the protesters camps and it triggered violence with one man from the Palestinian side dripping in blood.
    So its awfully one sided. But coming from the same company. You guys sister in UK.
    but i guess in AU it is all show dependent.
    The show can be bias, but overall they would have somewhere else somewhere else that covered the opposite bias.
    But its kind of like the American Way.
    but u know that has rect their uni's now.
    and like we say taken away from Neutral uni students he didn't feel strongly about either side.

    • @daniellebcooper7160
      @daniellebcooper7160 28 днів тому

      Sky UK are Lefties.

    • @noelward8047
      @noelward8047 28 днів тому +2

      You watch Sky UK !?! You may as well watch the BBC.
      Don't go spreading their bias ... it makes you look even more silly !

    • @UltraPerception
      @UltraPerception 28 днів тому

      @@noelward8047 its tehs same. news. I watch all news channels. I watch Fox aswell. Thats why i am not left nor right nor am i taking a side in teh conflicts

  • @CanadianForPutin
    @CanadianForPutin 28 днів тому +4

    Anybody who encourages my children to chant Anti-Isreali slogans, will personally recieve a thank you and a handshake from me. Proud to be white! 👍

    • @patriciarose6371
      @patriciarose6371 28 днів тому

      You are one sorry excuse for a human being !

    • @fionaforward3358
      @fionaforward3358 28 днів тому

      What are you go8ng on about.Being white does not mean you hate Jews.?

    • @elisheva7772
      @elisheva7772 26 днів тому

      and a table cloth for head covering as well as mask and halal chicken to keep the energy up

  • @trickyboy1517
    @trickyboy1517 28 днів тому +5

    “The indoctrination of children, encouraging them to make these threatening and violent chants is absolutely appalling."
    Firstly, the English translation for "intafada" is "resistance" which is not a "threatening and violent chant", Sarah.
    Secondly, don't be crying about "indoctrination of children" on a propaganda channel that wants to indoctrinate children.
    And you want to be the nation's Education Minister??? Now that's "appalling"
    ;)

    • @Karak-_-
      @Karak-_- 28 днів тому +12

      Meaning of words can depend on the historical context.
      Intifada in context of Palestine and Israel reffers two series of terrorists atracks, most if not all targeting civilians.
      That's not "resistance" that's terrorism.

    • @tonyleeannesmith9762
      @tonyleeannesmith9762 28 днів тому

      Intifada also involves suicide bombers. 'From the river to the sea - is a call for genocide of Jews. Children should not be involved repeating slogans they do not understand.

    • @ericshingles
      @ericshingles 28 днів тому +2

      Involving children ? Sounds like Hamas

    • @noelward8047
      @noelward8047 28 днів тому

      Oh dear. Are you the spokes person for the MET ?
      Everyone knows exactly what that word means.
      As for denying the indoctrination of children ... what colour is your hair I wonder ?

    • @trickyboy1517
      @trickyboy1517 28 днів тому +1

      @@Karak-_- Sooooo these protesters (toddlers) are chanting "intifada" in the context of, against violent Israeli occupation in Gaza and the West Bank or are these Toddlers (protesters) chanting "intifada" in the context of, against Palestinian genocide at the hands of Baby Butcher Benny?
      Which one of these historical contexts would you apply it's meaning?
      :I

  • @TANNHAUSERXXX
    @TANNHAUSERXXX 28 днів тому +2

    how very dare they !!!

  • @donaldrossalexander9388
    @donaldrossalexander9388 27 днів тому +1

    Not ok!!!

  • @frasermorris9076
    @frasermorris9076 28 днів тому

    All started at schools being forced to allow rainbows and NO discipline. Starts with no means no