So close to perfect for a low power NAS. Shame N100 doesn't have enough PCIE lanes for a x4 or x8 PCIE slot. Maybe one day we get a Xeon D motherboard from one of these vendors and my dreams will come true. I understand this would be perfect for a lot of people though and am happy to see a board like this even if it doesn't suit my needs.
@@annebokma4637 there are already boards, or you could cook your own. The point of these N100 systems is their energy efficiency, but unfortunately the processor isn't socketed so we need to rely on boards with the right components for your use case. A tradeoff.
@@c0p0n even if the n100 was socketed, chances are those sockets wouldn't pass on more PCIe lanes than a n100 provides, even if you change the n100:out. Now embedded Ryzen can use a bit more power (?) but that makes sense if it has more lanes for starters
@@annebokma4637 the N100 has 9 pci lanes and that's nothing to do with the socket really. My point is that if you want the lowest power on x86 the N100 is the best choice, but it comes with that compromise. If you want to use ryzen nothing stops you from buying a regular motherboard and a socketed CPU today - there are good 35w cpus you could have. You don't need to wait until something appears on aliexpress, but it won't be a 6w tdp cpu.
6:32 I think this is because they assume you are going to get the cheap PSUs that have fake rating (real rating is half of what is stated, which is the peak power rating). spin up of 6 drives will overwhelm a cheap PSU with fake rating.
I'm not so sure about that. Never seen many/any of these latest mitx mobos with SoC /mobile CPUs pre attached in recent years that state the PSU limit in this fashion. Plus the whole 'does not ship with a CMOS/cr battery too'. Just seems odd and unusual. If I had lower PSUs here, I would try, just too see what happens.
@@nascompares it's common for chinese boards to not ship with CMOS battery because that battery is lithium and shipping regulations classify it as dangerous material like the lithium batteries of laptops, which requires more expensive shipping to be compliant. All the x79 and x99 and whatever other china boards never ship with CMOS battery.
Got that board two weeks ago, for the 10 GbE. So far, so good! It is idling around 21W which is higher than I expected. Like other N100 systems, it works with 32 GB RAM despite officially supporting 16 GB according to Intel.
do a memory test on it utilizing more than 16GB, say like 20GB, It either will lock the system or simply not go up that high. Yes, it will recognize it but the CPU will not address it, the CPU has to have the registers to address the memory, the N100 only has the registers to address 16GB.
@@stephens3153 Not true. I've run Memtest86+ which reports no issues on all 32 GB, so it CAN be addressed. I don't know much about modern CPU internals, but 34 bit address space would be pretty weird. I think many modern 64 bit machines have 48 bits of virtual address space.
@@stephens3153 My proxmox host on a Asus n100 is using like 24GB right now, i have running a OPNsense FW, 2 Archlinux VM, 1 Windows XP VM and 1 Home Asssistan VM, never had a problem with memory past the 16Gb, even forgot to shutdown the Windows VM that was only for testing.
What I want: same board but with I5-1235U, 2x Aquantia 10gbe (drop the 2x 2.5 and use those two lanes to feed the second 10gbe) &PCIe slot x4 at least. Bonus for 8 SATA.
So... you want a board with a CPU with an Intel MSRP of $340 (vs $55 for N100) and another AC113 that sells for $65-80. I'm assuming you're willing to pay for this accordingly?
@@tim3172 why another AC113? 1x SFP+ 10G is enough for me... not more expensive than the copper 10Gbe they already have on there, and saving by removing the 2x2.5Gbe... 2 sata ports and a pci-e slots doesn't add any noticeable cost... and I said the CPU didn't matter, heck the N100 should be able to drive the things I listed. It has 9 lanes 4 for the SATA ports should be plenty (heck even 2 should be plenty since that is 16gbit/2GB/s), 2 for the 10G, 1 for the M.2 and 2 for the pci-e slot (which could be 4 lanes if you only give 2 to the sata controller) can see it has 2 sata build into the chipset an plenty usb too (8x 2.0 and 4x 3.0)
I got one of these last month - it's a great little board. They were going for as little as £103 for the bare board. Mine did come with a CMOS battery installed. The 10G NIC didn't work with TrueNAS though - not an issue for me in this case, but it would've been nice. I can't see why TrueNAS support won't arrive at some point though - the AQC107 chipset works just fine, so the AQC113C should too, right? Also, bear in mind the N305 CPU is still limited to 9 PCIE lanes, like the N100. All you're gaining is core count.
These things would probably be better if they'd decide whether these are NAS boards or router boards. NAS doesn't need 3-4 NICs. 2 sure, but 4 2.5gbe doesn't make sense on a NAS. Combining two of the 2.5gbe into one 10gbe NIC is at least a step in the right direction.
It feels like 10G might expensive or they not confident enough to make pure Nas product . This seems design targeting multi purpose as VM host / DIY router etc
@@frankwong9486 you're not wrong. I just feel that it's stretching the 9 PCIe lanes of this processor a little short to do it. IMO if they just doubled down on it being a SATA NAS with 10G and left off the "versatility" it would be a more attractive product. As it is, it's neither great for a NAS nor a hypervisor.
they are targeting two markets to hit higher mass production numbers, and make the board cheaper. Having 2 different boards and two different production lines is more expensive
My understanding is this is a limitation of the chip IO, you can either do a bunch of ethernet ports or USB or a mix of the 2, ethernet ports make more sense than USB for this kind of board. But I agree it would be nice if more of them came with 10GbE for use as a NAS.
@@lifefromscratch2818 AQC113 should work with pcie gen4x1 or gen3x1 but gen3x1 probably only do 7.0Gbps speed So they will need to spend 2 of 9 pcie gen 3 lanes on a 10gbe controller The other 7 maybe 4 lanes for 4 nvme and then remaining assign for some sata controller 2 lanes 3x2lanes should be enough for 8 sata drive 250MB/s x8 was 2GB/s which basically gen 3x2 limit The remaining maybe go usb controller ?
11:40 I think you're out of the loop regarding JMS585 as a SATA controller, its not fine at all. It prevents intel cpu C-States when this chip is on your motherboard, yea similar to disabling C-States in bios but its permanent and you can't do anything about it. This is extremely bad for a NAS that's supposed to run 24/7, you're wasting energy when doing nothing (idle) CWWK made a "FAN" version where they listened to all the complaints, example, getting rid of unnecessary 2.5g ports using pcie lanes, swapping JMS585 with ASM1166, pcie slot, BUT no 10g lol. You can't miss it, its the only PURPLE motherboard anywhere.
first of, thank you for your videos! I've been dreaming of getting, or hopefully build me a NAS, and because of your UA-cam I get closer and closer to actually do it! I'm in the process of a house renovation and also make a technical room with a rack to finally get a decent network and a place for all my home automation gear. What I want now is a diy rack mounted NAS. Do you have any suggestions for a rack case (not full depth) for a DIY NAS base on a motherboard like this one?
They probably got overexcited with thr 10g ;-) so what they did inadvertently was to bottleneck the fast ssds in favour of the slower hdd+10g. BUT: it is flat, no need for a pcie card. It has 4x nvme. It has sata. This is a insanely nice ceph osd or moosefs board. Put in 1/2 of the cheaper m.2 optanes for journal, 2/4/6 disks laid put flat for storage and use the 2.5g's as client facing and this will likely be able to keep high sustained speed for a good price. And you can just put 8 of them in a little homemade rack, and you'll have a decent cluster that can actually do stuff instead of being a stack of underpowered arm or a fail-design of 3 oversized nodes.
Great review, thx! I would like to know how much power it draws after some power tuning (powertop autotune). And do you know which SATA controller chip it has? ASM1166 would be a dream^^, but I guess it has JMB something or so.
I'm pretty sure the linked nascompares article shows the data controller (ooo at the minute and limited internet). Took hundreds of images of this board and the full written review is still 'in progress'. Will add a link when I finish it
I have this board. With nothing but an m.2, it idles around 21/22 watts. Running autotune leaves the system unreliable, I still need to drill down and figure out which setting causes this. Neither the jbm585 or the aqc113c support power management.
@@dylannicolle2568 That's sad.. there's apparently a purple version that has no 10Gbe but has different sata controllers with power management.. I guess you could add a aqc113 card to it (that maybe will have power management too?)
@@nascompares Thanks, I got one of the N100 MBs old generations on a Jonsbo n2, the sys fan runs at 100% all the time, that's the one I use for the disk. So noisy
Will this be decent running Truenas with a 5 or 6 disk SSD array (RAID Z1 or RAID Z2)? I'm trying to ditch my rack mount server to save power, heat, noise, and I'm not entirely certain an n100 has enough to do this. Not needing PCIe expansion, not needing graphics, etc., just going to be storage for my hypervisors with NFS, SMB, and iSCSI. And wanting to get as close as possible to being able to saturate that 10gbe connection from different hosts. And yes, I'm baffled by the power supply requirements, I'll have to see if I can get something that fits the case I want to use.
Question for the crowd… any recommended small cases for a board like this and 4x 2.5” drives? Doesn’t have to have removable drive slots. Current candidate is the Silverstone CS01.
It is the PCI-E lanes which is needed for the 10gbe, something has to give. It is not worth going for a single 10gbe port at a lost of 3 nic and 1 pci-e slot. Most likely we need a new cpu / mobo.
This is for households where you've got 5 or 6 computers with 2.5G nics hooked into a 2.5G switch that includes one or two 10G ports. This is the most common "medium budget" setup for home networking, so the motherboard is actually perfectly suited for what should be a fairly common home networking setup.
@@arthurwintersight7868 "fairly common" according to what metric? How many "households" do you think there are with 5 or 6 computers on a 2.5+ Gbe network?
@@tim3172 - It's called "wife and two kids with their own computers, plus a secondary computer somewhere else in the house." 2.5G ethernet is the most common standard on new motherboards.
So, I got this board as well. I have failed setting the case fan through the OS (Ubuntu). Has anyone attempted this? sensors-detect won't show it, whether it's on manual or automatic mode... neither CPU nor Board fan can be found. Can't find the manufacturer's site either to look for a new BIOS. Any ideas anyone?
I wonder if TrueNAS behaves favourably on a microSD card or a eMMC to microSD adapter? This would enable to use the M.2 slots for ZFS caches and the 6 sata ports for a decent storage array.
ASRock sells a Mini-ITX (EC266D21-2T/AQC) for Xeon processors with two 10GBe LAN ports, 2x OCuLink to control up to 8 SATA drives, a PCIe 4.0x4 M.2 slot for the OS and a PCIe 5.0x16 - but it is about $400
that's a pretty nice board - I'm a little bit tempted by it, except that I have no use whatsoever for another server 😂 my "problem" is that I have an ML350G10 already heh.
You could probably use one of the NVMe slots for PCIe expansion. I'm guessing the lack of an actual slot is due to the low number of PCI lanes on the N100. ( just seen you comment on another post, look forward to the video :D )
It's highly likely the N100 board reviewed is a CWWK model of some description. Judging by the dual on-board NVMe slots, CPU cooler design, and the fact it has surface mount USB2 ports, it's basically an upgrade of the N5105 model they put out, swapping two of the 2.5G Ethernet ports for a 10G port. Everything else on the board looks pretty much identical to their previous gen offering. BKHD DO offer 1*PCIe-X4 slot on their boards, but sacrifice the second NVMe slot in order to do so.
A better choice from Topton is the same size mobo with Ryzen 7000 or 8000 series. You have a lot of performance, but it should be checked before deciding.
I'm running this board fully loaded with a 200W pico power supply, and no problems. I'm guessing the 300W PSU requirement is a swag not based on any power consumption calc.
I WANT to believe it's an error on their part - but NO AliExpress seller ever lists angry red warning text on anything on their listings, unless they HAVE TO (angry customers etc). Will investigate further
My X10SDV-4C-TLN2F has x16, 6 sata, ecc, ipmi, nvme an 10G, even 10 years on, its the ultimate nas board!! Im now running its 8C big brother now (asrock with D1541) which is also a beast. Good luck finding them though, no ones willing to let them go!!
@@Airbag888 So the 4 core, has 6x8tb, 32gb satadom, 500gb nvme for vm & 64gb ecc, and a 8port HBA, pulls about 110w at idle, The 8 core has 8x10tb, 128gb ecc, 2 nvme drives (vm&boot), and a ssd caddy with 3x2tb ssds, and a intel A310 gpu for transcoding, which pulls bout 130-150w from the wall. Probably more than N100, but probably more horsepower too. The 8C is this, asrock D1541D4U-2T8R
@@brandonchappell1535 oh wow.. you're right when you say it uses a bit more 😅.. I typically see between 10-21W on idle with half of what you got connected and spun down. The board in this video has some components that do not support proper power management so they don't allow lower c states. 110W minimum running continuously for me is a no go. Electricity prices are at a premium in over 60% of the world right now and my PV install is not up there yet
@@Airbag888 yeh i havent really played with c-states, or trying to minimize consumption, but those figures are while running, not spun down. when you think a hdd is roughly 10w ech an ssd 5w, the 8C has 8 hdd and 5 ssds, so theres 105w off the 130w (with vm running). ipmi prob pulls 10-20w as well. I live alone and have 10kw solar too, although doesnt help me overnight i guess.
This is unreasonable of me to ask, but I'm interested in how well this board works in OpenBSD. If you're bored, could you try installing OpenBSD with a hard disk attached, and then send a dmesg, pcidump -v and sysctl hw output, and the contents of /var/db/acpi?
Whilst, to date, these types of reviews do have a caveat or two, I am impressed how they (slowly but surely) are progressing in this arena. I truly am. (read: from their choices of CPU I was never that impressed but then I'm a hardware-guy) Granted, the choice of CPU and chipsets do put up a fair bit of limitations, but I expect in a year or two we will have far better results (read: lesser caveats) with the way it is going. So it seems. Does give good hopes for those who want to plan their DYI, just hang in there a wee bit longer. Still, performance-wise (and features, if I want to nit-pick on it) these still won't really compete with the mainstream vendors. But still, I am impressed. (same with the mini-pc's from nowadays, really starting to be powerful and affordable..)
To be fair, I hoped that they found a way to add 10G and even as a X2 slot. Hell.. ditch 1 of the m.2 and add one. Better yet... That said, an m.2 to PCIe adapter DOES exist (video v soon on this)
@@Sullrosh PLX was bought out and the prices spiked through the stratosphere. We used to have switching chipsets for all manner of add-in cards and motherboards which were expensive-ish, but reasonable on something like a higher-end motherboard, $200 4x NVME card (without bifurcation required), etc. Now, the equivalent upwards of $4000. Many of their patents expire in 2026-2028, so I guess there's hope of a return.
how come this N100 board has been reviewed but not the i5-12450H NAS motherboard? The 12450H board has 2x M.2 NVMe slots, 1x SFF-8643 SATA socket which gives 4x SATA ports, 1x SFF-8643 PCle 3.0x4 socket that can be converted out to 4x M.2 NVMe/PCle3.0x1 via an adapter board, 4x Intel 226-V 2.5G Rj45 ethernet ports and 2x SO-DIMM DDR5 RAM slots. The 12450H has 20 (!) pcie lanes! If there's one board that can do it all, it's this one.
I'll be honest, I thought I DID review this board. But now I think I've got this muddled up in my head with the Zimacube board (they send a new version and I had a 2nd 1235u board on my shelf). Will check. Cheers for the heads up
@@nascompares there isn't much info or videos online about this board. Spec wise, it blows everything away. forgot to mention this: it even has a 4x pcie slot which, in this N100 board video, you mention is a big minus (i agree).
Your site promotes both NAS motherboards for DIY projects and retail NAS. I would like you to build a NAS sourcing from the parts you review. Your conviction is part of the process of reviewing and building to completion. I am not interested in the retail NAS because it removes flexibility from my DIY builds and is not about saving money for me, and I look forward to your future projects.
think this would be a better router/firewall than a NAS. Would be interested to see if somebody has or will put OPN or PfSense on this thing and see how much it can handle with IPS enabled.
I fully expect reviews of this board to be all over the place soon. It's only been in the market under a month. Hell, I didn't even know about it (and I properly SEARCH for these things+ the brands tend to message nerds like me) until a UA-cam commenter raised it. God bless the comments section!
I would have expected better power results. It seems for such few features and a system optimized for low power, X86 really has not much of a point anymore. Intel Xeon D from 2016 is still much better, has enough PCIe lanes for an m.2 drive and an x16 slot and doesn't even draw much more power. The 10Gbe comes from a BMC on those ITX boards.
Actually, its not that bad to leave a cmos battery out. Of course its cheaper, but you never know how long a board will be stored, and many weird pc issues are caused by a weak but not empty cmos battery. I spend days in search of errors until i replaced cmos battery.
Hello, the board arrived today. I connected the power supply, and the board started up immediately (power supply fan starts, CPU fan starts). The same behavior whether with or without (Crucial) RAM... I’m not getting any video output from the board. Does anyone have any idea? I can’t find the CMOS, and if it’s the two pins next to the 4-pin CPU power connector, nothing changes in the behavior whether I short them with or without power. Sorry for my poor English; I had it translated by AI.
The 'old' NAS motherboard you show in the video isn't 'BY' Topton. Topton are a reseller, nothing more. The board was manufactured by BKHD, and it's official model number is: BKHD-1338-NAS-17. Just for clarification for anyone else interested in these NAS DIY boards (I own two of them).
So, just to confirm: 10GBe, internal USB, and PCIe Slots are "ChEeKy" while quad core CPUS are "RoCkInG" and "RoCkInG oUt"? Cheeky in British English means indulgent or disrespectful. In Australian English, it means dangerous. In... no common usage does it mean... a port on a motherboard. Rocking means to... perform music or to be weirdly proud of running something obsolete in the current year. Quad cores aren't obsolete for this task. It'd be a lot easier to take you seriously if you used actual, adult words. The fact they wasted a lane on giving the 10GBe PCIE 3.0 (1GBps) a x2 connection when it's... you know... it's 10Gb... and can't even hit the 10GBe target. They don't ship with batteries as most countries either reclassified or always classified lithium cells as shipping hazards, which greatly increases the cost to ship. (There is not a single case of a CR2032 lithium cell catching fire that produced in loss.) You don't actually need a 300-watt supply. They just don't want you connecting it to a trash one and filing a claim that it can't power the product. Also, hard drives use quite a bit of current when spinning up. You'd want a decent supply if you have 6 drives constantly spinning up... which is the clear intention of this NAS board. Actual NAS PSUs are specifically designed to support the high current load of hard drives starting with a much lower overall wattage.
I think the problem with these Atom processors is the PCIE lanes. Sure they could have fit a 4x PCIe on this board, but that N100/N305 atom processor only has 9 lanes of 3.0. I bet they're using a 2.0 controller for the 10G so thats probably taking 4 lanes right there, the sata controller is probably using at least 1 lane, and then the M.2 are probably only given 1 lane, but if they've been given 2 lanes, there are quite literally none left for a PCIe slot. Now, maybe they're using a 10G NIC that uses the 3.0 standard and can get by with 2X, maybe the M.2 are given 1x, this would in theory leave 4 PCIe lanes for a card somewhere else. But those newer 3.0 10G controllers cost money, which is why i am assuming this board is less than $170
Ok, the network seems to be 2x3.0 so unless one of those M.2 drives are at a full 4x, i dont see why there isnt a 4x slot available I'd still have bought this over the PCIe slot board for the JohnsboN1 mainly because the NICs i have (both 10G cards and 4x1G cards i had planned to use for a virtualized firewall) overhang and block the SATA ports
It's not an Atom processor. It's Alder Lake-N. Neither the N100 nor N305 are Atom. He literally stated they're using 3.0 x2 and are wasting a lane on giving something requiring ~1GB/s a ~2GB/s connection. I'm not sure how you arrived that they could "get away" with a x2 connection. 3.0 x1 is 1GB/s or around 935 MBps. 3.0 is not "newer", it's over a decade old.
No. This is the only ITX motherboard in existence that can't be rack mounted to an ITX case. This because standards are meaningless and aren't intended to stop stupid questions like this one.
I was so up when I saw this. I've got 4 sas 32g total and hoped and then the crash n burn. Bought those sucker's by accident for 200. After trying to find a solution thinking ebay and just minimize my loss. Arrrggg
Boy, the n100 already will be at the peak of its performance handling the network interfaces. What do you want to cramp in? Get another CPU for that. The nic probably eats up all pcie slots of the CPU anyway
@@nascompares Is it possible they were allowing for 6x 3.5" HDD's? Maybe more with one of those NVME to SATA converter sticks. Even then it's over the top. I have a UGREEN NAS 8-bay with an Intel 12th gen laptlop processor, and with all 8 bays populated, it idles at 100 w or so with no disk activity. It's not like you're going to need any extra juice for non-existent PCIe slots, and I'm not sure you're hitting a good point on the PSU's efficiency curve if you're only using 1/3 or so of its total power output.
Looking at these boards, i wish they would just go with 1 10GBE instead of 4 2.5GBE network interfaces. If you really need that many, 10G to 4x 2.5G unmanaged switches are reasonably priced.
Why waste space with 6 SATA ports when you could save space with one Oculink port which breaks out into 8 SATA ports? But yes, I'd want a full x16 slot and at least two x4 NVME slots.
I mean...you could use that argument against SATA ports in general on all mobos in the last 3-5 years (NAS or otherwise). I guess maybe costs of sata at manf are lower. But more likely it's just scalability over time. 1 big fan out all over the place if you aren't using all the outputs, or just gradual data cables over time of varying lengths. But I see your point, and it's the better over solution for sure.
"insanely battered box" - shows a box with a tiny crease on it. Ehm, you haven't been ordering stuff for very long based on that, or have been 'insanely' lucky. Boxes looking like someone has driven over them with a whole row of tanks are the usual fare. It WOULD be highly unusual to get a box that is intact, which has never happened to me in more than 15yrs of buying stuff from China. Well, with the exception of double boxed items where the original 'retail' box has been taken off and folded neatly into a brown thick cardboard box along the contents. Then it just arrived a bit weirdly folded but without rips or big creases. That way I could take the stuff out, unfold the 'retail box' then stuff the contents back into it, tape it shut, then pretend it arrived like that.
N100 only has 9 PCIe, forcing you to get something else. I'd like to see a Motherboard with 2x PCIe x8 (elec) / x16 (Physical) with a CPU to support, so you can put a 10/25/40 B in one & HBA in other
Well say thanks Intell for supporting only 1 channel of DDR5/LPDDR5 with max 4800 MT/s and no ECC on the N100 also there's only so much you can do with 9 PCIe Gen 3 Lanes... and
Not true. That's the official line from Intel. Nearly all N100/N305 systems work perfectly well with 32GB modules as the chipset is common to other Alder lake systems.
N100 with 10Gbe for SATA NAS? Its too disbalance IMHO. To saturate 10Gbe you need raid of SATA SSD, not HDD. Raid will something like RaidZ1 or even RaidZ2, so when you will active use array like that power of n100 can be insofficient. P.S. About ecc, with ddr5 we have electrically and mechanichally different slots, so its obvious just by looking at the board
@@tim3172 more, although inefficiencies will probably crop up that will lower those numbers. but you're still going to be comfortably inside the range of "I could never transfer data this fast without 10GbE."
I doubt an N100 based motherboard with PCIe slot will be saturating the bus with a PCIe 10Gbe card installed either. As for complaining about the motherboard not coming with a $1 coin battery.... dude. smh.
Dude, it's not a complaint. I'm just surprised that it doesn't have a battery and the PSU demand is weirdly high - when neither of these things are present on most other near identical boards. Don't you think that's odd?
Synology should just buy the IP for that board, shove it in a plastic housing with a backplane....and sit back and profit. The fact they didnt do that 3 years ago is criminal lol
10GbE on an ITX mobo is useless and basically a scam for home users and even small offices, let's be honest. Maybe in a few years it will become relevant, but by the time that happens, your cheap chinese board will either die or be replaced anyway.
Chinese motherboards of any variety do not ship with a cmos battery - it is forbidden by the Chinese postal service. It isn't a big deal.
I received one yesterday with a battery installed. N5105.
So close to perfect for a low power NAS. Shame N100 doesn't have enough PCIE lanes for a x4 or x8 PCIE slot. Maybe one day we get a Xeon D motherboard from one of these vendors and my dreams will come true. I understand this would be perfect for a lot of people though and am happy to see a board like this even if it doesn't suit my needs.
I would love a Ryzen based board for that 😁
@@annebokma4637 there are already boards, or you could cook your own. The point of these N100 systems is their energy efficiency, but unfortunately the processor isn't socketed so we need to rely on boards with the right components for your use case. A tradeoff.
@@c0p0n even if the n100 was socketed, chances are those sockets wouldn't pass on more PCIe lanes than a n100 provides, even if you change the n100:out.
Now embedded Ryzen can use a bit more power (?) but that makes sense if it has more lanes for starters
@@annebokma4637 the N100 has 9 pci lanes and that's nothing to do with the socket really. My point is that if you want the lowest power on x86 the N100 is the best choice, but it comes with that compromise. If you want to use ryzen nothing stops you from buying a regular motherboard and a socketed CPU today - there are good 35w cpus you could have. You don't need to wait until something appears on aliexpress, but it won't be a 6w tdp cpu.
X10SDV-4C-TLN2F ... not too cheap though
6:32 I think this is because they assume you are going to get the cheap PSUs that have fake rating (real rating is half of what is stated, which is the peak power rating). spin up of 6 drives will overwhelm a cheap PSU with fake rating.
I'm not so sure about that. Never seen many/any of these latest mitx mobos with SoC /mobile CPUs pre attached in recent years that state the PSU limit in this fashion. Plus the whole 'does not ship with a CMOS/cr battery too'. Just seems odd and unusual. If I had lower PSUs here, I would try, just too see what happens.
@@nascompares it's common for chinese boards to not ship with CMOS battery because that battery is lithium and shipping regulations classify it as dangerous material like the lithium batteries of laptops, which requires more expensive shipping to be compliant.
All the x79 and x99 and whatever other china boards never ship with CMOS battery.
@marcogenovesi8570 You are correct. Easy way for the seller to not get complaints because of weak/bad/old PSUs
Got that board two weeks ago, for the 10 GbE. So far, so good! It is idling around 21W which is higher than I expected.
Like other N100 systems, it works with 32 GB RAM despite officially supporting 16 GB according to Intel.
oh good to know, that was a limiting factor for my 2 nodes, I'll try some 32gb dimms.
do a memory test on it utilizing more than 16GB, say like 20GB, It either will lock the system or simply not go up that high. Yes, it will recognize it but the CPU will not address it, the CPU has to have the registers to address the memory, the N100 only has the registers to address 16GB.
@@stephens3153 Not true. I've run Memtest86+ which reports no issues on all 32 GB, so it CAN be addressed.
I don't know much about modern CPU internals, but 34 bit address space would be pretty weird. I think many modern 64 bit machines have 48 bits of virtual address space.
@@stephens3153 My proxmox host on a Asus n100 is using like 24GB right now, i have running a OPNsense FW, 2 Archlinux VM, 1 Windows XP VM and 1 Home Asssistan VM, never had a problem with memory past the 16Gb, even forgot to shutdown the Windows VM that was only for testing.
I think the sata controller is what's keeping your idle so high
What I want: same board but with I5-1235U, 2x Aquantia 10gbe (drop the 2x 2.5 and use those two lanes to feed the second 10gbe) &PCIe slot x4 at least. Bonus for 8 SATA.
similar here, dunno about the cpu but gimme 1x sfp+ 10g and 8 sata + pcie slot x4+
So... you want a board with a CPU with an Intel MSRP of $340 (vs $55 for N100) and another AC113 that sells for $65-80.
I'm assuming you're willing to pay for this accordingly?
@@tim3172 yes, I would.
@@tim3172 why another AC113? 1x SFP+ 10G is enough for me... not more expensive than the copper 10Gbe they already have on there, and saving by removing the 2x2.5Gbe... 2 sata ports and a pci-e slots doesn't add any noticeable cost... and I said the CPU didn't matter, heck the N100 should be able to drive the things I listed. It has 9 lanes 4 for the SATA ports should be plenty (heck even 2 should be plenty since that is 16gbit/2GB/s), 2 for the 10G, 1 for the M.2 and 2 for the pci-e slot (which could be 4 lanes if you only give 2 to the sata controller) can see it has 2 sata build into the chipset an plenty usb too (8x 2.0 and 4x 3.0)
Rather a i5-1245U - then you get vPro Enterprise and the possibility to have iKVM.
I got one of these last month - it's a great little board. They were going for as little as £103 for the bare board.
Mine did come with a CMOS battery installed.
The 10G NIC didn't work with TrueNAS though - not an issue for me in this case, but it would've been nice. I can't see why TrueNAS support won't arrive at some point though - the AQC107 chipset works just fine, so the AQC113C should too, right?
Also, bear in mind the N305 CPU is still limited to 9 PCIE lanes, like the N100. All you're gaining is core count.
Usual Chinese magic shipping protection. It can travel across the world with incredibly bad packaging and survive.
BARELY! The shipping box looked like Robocop's chest plate in the final act of the movie!
Indeed Magic and mystery. I had local items shipped locally in the United states, well packaged and arrived damaged by transportation.
@@nascompares I understood that reference. :)
chinese magic: start at 0 pacakging, increase packaging until people stop complaining
@@xynonners chinese magic: use very little packaging, that would result in instant destruction of the item if shipped by normal western couriers
Hey Synology - how the "f" do you justify $1000 AUD for yours ?
These things would probably be better if they'd decide whether these are NAS boards or router boards. NAS doesn't need 3-4 NICs. 2 sure, but 4 2.5gbe doesn't make sense on a NAS. Combining two of the 2.5gbe into one 10gbe NIC is at least a step in the right direction.
It feels like 10G might expensive or they not confident enough to make pure Nas product . This seems design targeting multi purpose as VM host / DIY router etc
@@frankwong9486 you're not wrong. I just feel that it's stretching the 9 PCIe lanes of this processor a little short to do it. IMO if they just doubled down on it being a SATA NAS with 10G and left off the "versatility" it would be a more attractive product. As it is, it's neither great for a NAS nor a hypervisor.
they are targeting two markets to hit higher mass production numbers, and make the board cheaper. Having 2 different boards and two different production lines is more expensive
My understanding is this is a limitation of the chip IO, you can either do a bunch of ethernet ports or USB or a mix of the 2, ethernet ports make more sense than USB for this kind of board. But I agree it would be nice if more of them came with 10GbE for use as a NAS.
@@lifefromscratch2818 AQC113 should work with pcie gen4x1 or gen3x1 but gen3x1 probably only do 7.0Gbps speed
So they will need to spend 2 of 9 pcie gen 3 lanes on a 10gbe controller
The other 7 maybe 4 lanes for 4 nvme and then remaining assign for some sata controller 2 lanes
3x2lanes should be enough for 8 sata drive
250MB/s x8 was 2GB/s which basically gen 3x2 limit
The remaining maybe go usb controller ?
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I think you're out of the loop regarding JMS585 as a SATA controller, its not fine at all.
It prevents intel cpu C-States when this chip is on your motherboard, yea similar to disabling C-States in bios but its permanent and you can't do anything about it. This is extremely bad for a NAS that's supposed to run 24/7, you're wasting energy when doing nothing (idle)
CWWK made a "FAN" version where they listened to all the complaints, example, getting rid of unnecessary 2.5g ports using pcie lanes, swapping JMS585 with ASM1166, pcie slot, BUT no 10g lol. You can't miss it, its the only PURPLE motherboard anywhere.
Fml I was about to go look for it... I also saw that the aqn chip did not support power management which is weird as the aqn113 should
link?
i got it nvm
first of, thank you for your videos! I've been dreaming of getting, or hopefully build me a NAS, and because of your UA-cam I get closer and closer to actually do it! I'm in the process of a house renovation and also make a technical room with a rack to finally get a decent network and a place for all my home automation gear. What I want now is a diy rack mounted NAS. Do you have any suggestions for a rack case (not full depth) for a DIY NAS base on a motherboard like this one?
Why don't these type of boards come with SFP+ hole? Then we can use whatever interface we want?
Hey! Any one of you guys tried dissasamble the stock cpu cooler and put on a better one? I'd like to go with a noctua one...
They probably got overexcited with thr 10g ;-) so what they did inadvertently was to bottleneck the fast ssds in favour of the slower hdd+10g.
BUT: it is flat, no need for a pcie card. It has 4x nvme. It has sata. This is a insanely nice ceph osd or moosefs board.
Put in 1/2 of the cheaper m.2 optanes for journal, 2/4/6 disks laid put flat for storage and use the 2.5g's as client facing and this will likely be able to keep high sustained speed for a good price. And you can just put 8 of them in a little homemade rack, and you'll have a decent cluster that can actually do stuff instead of being a stack of underpowered arm or a fail-design of 3 oversized nodes.
Wouldn't ECC be important on a setup like this?
Great review, thx! I would like to know how much power it draws after some power tuning (powertop autotune). And do you know which SATA controller chip it has? ASM1166 would be a dream^^, but I guess it has JMB something or so.
I'm pretty sure the linked nascompares article shows the data controller (ooo at the minute and limited internet). Took hundreds of images of this board and the full written review is still 'in progress'. Will add a link when I finish it
@@nascomparescan you do the power top auto tune when back though?
I have this board. With nothing but an m.2, it idles around 21/22 watts. Running autotune leaves the system unreliable, I still need to drill down and figure out which setting causes this. Neither the jbm585 or the aqc113c support power management.
@@dylannicolle2568 That's sad.. there's apparently a purple version that has no 10Gbe but has different sata controllers with power management.. I guess you could add a aqc113 card to it (that maybe will have power management too?)
Thanks for the review, Is the system fan header PWM?
Will need to check when I'm back in the office. Should add to the written review article too. BRB!
@@nascompares Thanks, I got one of the N100 MBs old generations on a Jonsbo n2, the sys fan runs at 100% all the time, that's the one I use for the disk. So noisy
Same question I would love to know if the sysfan header has pwm
already replaced the 4-port 2.5GBE N100. after first tests it consumes less power in standby.
To me this board is more interesting as a small low power homelab VM host or a firewall where you can take advantage of the faster nic. Great video!
Will this be decent running Truenas with a 5 or 6 disk SSD array (RAID Z1 or RAID Z2)? I'm trying to ditch my rack mount server to save power, heat, noise, and I'm not entirely certain an n100 has enough to do this. Not needing PCIe expansion, not needing graphics, etc., just going to be storage for my hypervisors with NFS, SMB, and iSCSI. And wanting to get as close as possible to being able to saturate that 10gbe connection from different hosts.
And yes, I'm baffled by the power supply requirements, I'll have to see if I can get something that fits the case I want to use.
Question for the crowd… any recommended small cases for a board like this and 4x 2.5” drives? Doesn’t have to have removable drive slots. Current candidate is the Silverstone CS01.
It is the PCI-E lanes which is needed for the 10gbe, something has to give. It is not worth going for a single 10gbe port at a lost of 3 nic and 1 pci-e slot. Most likely we need a new cpu / mobo.
This is for households where you've got 5 or 6 computers with 2.5G nics hooked into a 2.5G switch that includes one or two 10G ports. This is the most common "medium budget" setup for home networking, so the motherboard is actually perfectly suited for what should be a fairly common home networking setup.
@@arthurwintersight7868 "fairly common" according to what metric? How many "households" do you think there are with 5 or 6 computers on a 2.5+ Gbe network?
@@tim3172 - It's called "wife and two kids with their own computers, plus a secondary computer somewhere else in the house." 2.5G ethernet is the most common standard on new motherboards.
Can the N100 even handle 10Gbe?
Hello, thanks for the video. Quick question, where can I buy the Hoodie you are wearing?
400W psu, boot with 6 x 3.5" drives. That situation will draw more that hte shown 36Watts.
reviewing a nas board with 6 sata ports and not using 6 disks to show basic cpu raid management, that's a massive miss
How does it work with ddr4 and ddr5 memory? Isn't it a different connector?
So, I got this board as well. I have failed setting the case fan through the OS (Ubuntu). Has anyone attempted this? sensors-detect won't show it, whether it's on manual or automatic mode... neither CPU nor Board fan can be found. Can't find the manufacturer's site either to look for a new BIOS. Any ideas anyone?
I wonder if TrueNAS behaves favourably on a microSD card or a eMMC to microSD adapter? This would enable to use the M.2 slots for ZFS caches and the 6 sata ports for a decent storage array.
Any word on the Jonsbo N5 case?
N100 supports ECC, it's just that manufacturers decide not to enable this option in the BIOS.
ASRock sells a Mini-ITX (EC266D21-2T/AQC) for Xeon processors with two 10GBe LAN ports, 2x OCuLink to control up to 8 SATA drives, a PCIe 4.0x4 M.2 slot for the OS and a PCIe 5.0x16 - but it is about $400
that's a pretty nice board - I'm a little bit tempted by it, except that I have no use whatsoever for another server 😂 my "problem" is that I have an ML350G10 already heh.
You could probably use one of the NVMe slots for PCIe expansion. I'm guessing the lack of an actual slot is due to the low number of PCI lanes on the N100. ( just seen you comment on another post, look forward to the video :D )
It's highly likely the N100 board reviewed is a CWWK model of some description. Judging by the dual on-board NVMe slots, CPU cooler design, and the fact it has surface mount USB2 ports, it's basically an upgrade of the N5105 model they put out, swapping two of the 2.5G Ethernet ports for a 10G port. Everything else on the board looks pretty much identical to their previous gen offering. BKHD DO offer 1*PCIe-X4 slot on their boards, but sacrifice the second NVMe slot in order to do so.
A better choice from Topton is the same size mobo with Ryzen 7000 or 8000 series. You have a lot of performance, but it should be checked before deciding.
@nascompares can you recommend a nas motherboard with 10gbe onboard and a pcie slot?
I'm running this board fully loaded with a 200W pico power supply, and no problems. I'm guessing the 300W PSU requirement is a swag not based on any power consumption calc.
I WANT to believe it's an error on their part - but NO AliExpress seller ever lists angry red warning text on anything on their listings, unless they HAVE TO (angry customers etc). Will investigate further
@@nascomparesmight be useful when using high perf 10k rpm drives? 6 of them powering up would stress the 12v rail.. For normal drives though no clue
You're killing my retirement
No, I'm killing MY retirement! *furiously worries about pension contributions*
My X10SDV-4C-TLN2F has x16, 6 sata, ecc, ipmi, nvme an 10G, even 10 years on, its the ultimate nas board!! Im now running its 8C big brother now (asrock with D1541) which is also a beast. Good luck finding them though, no ones willing to let them go!!
Aaaand what's their idle power draw at the wall plz
@@Airbag888 So the 4 core, has 6x8tb, 32gb satadom, 500gb nvme for vm & 64gb ecc, and a 8port HBA, pulls about 110w at idle, The 8 core has 8x10tb, 128gb ecc, 2 nvme drives (vm&boot), and a ssd caddy with 3x2tb ssds, and a intel A310 gpu for transcoding, which pulls bout 130-150w from the wall. Probably more than N100, but probably more horsepower too. The 8C is this, asrock D1541D4U-2T8R
@@brandonchappell1535 oh wow.. you're right when you say it uses a bit more 😅.. I typically see between 10-21W on idle with half of what you got connected and spun down. The board in this video has some components that do not support proper power management so they don't allow lower c states.
110W minimum running continuously for me is a no go. Electricity prices are at a premium in over 60% of the world right now and my PV install is not up there yet
@@Airbag888 yeh i havent really played with c-states, or trying to minimize consumption, but those figures are while running, not spun down. when you think a hdd is roughly 10w ech an ssd 5w, the 8C has 8 hdd and 5 ssds, so theres 105w off the 130w (with vm running). ipmi prob pulls 10-20w as well. I live alone and have 10kw solar too, although doesnt help me overnight i guess.
great, so we compare it something which costs 10 times more?
The best mobo in the price range by far
This is unreasonable of me to ask, but I'm interested in how well this board works in OpenBSD. If you're bored, could you try installing OpenBSD with a hard disk attached, and then send a dmesg, pcidump -v and sysctl hw output, and the contents of /var/db/acpi?
Whilst, to date, these types of reviews do have a caveat or two, I am impressed how they (slowly but surely) are progressing in this arena.
I truly am. (read: from their choices of CPU I was never that impressed but then I'm a hardware-guy)
Granted, the choice of CPU and chipsets do put up a fair bit of limitations, but I expect in a year or two we will have far better results (read: lesser caveats) with the way it is going. So it seems.
Does give good hopes for those who want to plan their DYI, just hang in there a wee bit longer.
Still, performance-wise (and features, if I want to nit-pick on it) these still won't really compete with the mainstream vendors.
But still, I am impressed.
(same with the mini-pc's from nowadays, really starting to be powerful and affordable..)
I have the topton style one, I feel if I went anywhere it would be to SFP+
Why would it have an pcie slot? These CPUs don't have a sufficient amount of pcie lanes for this
To be fair, I hoped that they found a way to add 10G and even as a X2 slot. Hell.. ditch 1 of the m.2 and add one. Better yet... That said, an m.2 to PCIe adapter DOES exist (video v soon on this)
they need to add a pcie switch
@@nascompares remove the dual 2.5g and use those 2 lanes for pcie slot...
@@Sullrosh PLX was bought out and the prices spiked through the stratosphere. We used to have switching chipsets for all manner of add-in cards and motherboards which were expensive-ish, but reasonable on something like a higher-end motherboard, $200 4x NVME card (without bifurcation required), etc.
Now, the equivalent upwards of $4000. Many of their patents expire in 2026-2028, so I guess there's hope of a return.
how come this N100 board has been reviewed but not the i5-12450H NAS motherboard?
The 12450H board has 2x M.2 NVMe slots, 1x SFF-8643 SATA socket which gives 4x SATA ports, 1x SFF-8643 PCle 3.0x4 socket that can be converted out to 4x M.2 NVMe/PCle3.0x1 via an adapter board, 4x Intel 226-V 2.5G Rj45 ethernet ports and 2x SO-DIMM DDR5 RAM slots. The 12450H has 20 (!) pcie lanes!
If there's one board that can do it all, it's this one.
I'll be honest, I thought I DID review this board. But now I think I've got this muddled up in my head with the Zimacube board (they send a new version and I had a 2nd 1235u board on my shelf). Will check. Cheers for the heads up
@@nascompares there isn't much info or videos online about this board. Spec wise, it blows everything away. forgot to mention this: it even has a 4x pcie slot which, in this N100 board video, you mention is a big minus (i agree).
Your site promotes both NAS motherboards for DIY projects and retail NAS. I would like you to build a NAS sourcing from the parts you review. Your conviction is part of the process of reviewing and building to completion. I am not interested in the retail NAS because it removes flexibility from my DIY builds and is not about saving money for me, and I look forward to your future projects.
think this would be a better router/firewall than a NAS. Would be interested to see if somebody has or will put OPN or PfSense on this thing and see how much it can handle with IPS enabled.
I fully expect reviews of this board to be all over the place soon. It's only been in the market under a month. Hell, I didn't even know about it (and I properly SEARCH for these things+ the brands tend to message nerds like me) until a UA-cam commenter raised it. God bless the comments section!
I would have expected better power results. It seems for such few features and a system optimized for low power, X86 really has not much of a point anymore.
Intel Xeon D from 2016 is still much better, has enough PCIe lanes for an m.2 drive and an x16 slot and doesn't even draw much more power. The 10Gbe comes from a BMC on those ITX boards.
300 cheap Chinesium design watts that is effectively 100-150 watts I guess. 🙂
Actually, its not that bad to leave a cmos battery out. Of course its cheaper, but you never know how long a board will be stored, and many weird pc issues are caused by a weak but not empty cmos battery. I spend days in search of errors until i replaced cmos battery.
Planning to use this for my Plex server. Is there any reason to not do that? Seems like it fits quite well, especially at that price.
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@@JoeDonkor I don't get what you mean. It works great 👍
what c-state can this board reach with two nvme drives and 6 sata SSDs connected?
It's stuck at c3, neither the jbm585 or the aqc113c support power management so they block deeper states
Hello, the board arrived today. I connected the power supply, and the board started up immediately (power supply fan starts, CPU fan starts). The same behavior whether with or without (Crucial) RAM...
I’m not getting any video output from the board. Does anyone have any idea? I can’t find the CMOS, and if it’s the two pins next to the 4-pin CPU power connector, nothing changes in the behavior whether I short them with or without power.
Sorry for my poor English; I had it translated by AI.
Use the hdmi output for video on the very first boot. Once it's booted and you've saved bios settings then you can switch to the display port output
Really wish these low power embedded chips supported ecc… guess I’ll be sticking with used xeon-d boards when I need something itx.
How much power are you using on your xeon rig
The 'old' NAS motherboard you show in the video isn't 'BY' Topton. Topton are a reseller, nothing more. The board was manufactured by BKHD, and it's official model number is: BKHD-1338-NAS-17. Just for clarification for anyone else interested in these NAS DIY boards (I own two of them).
So, just to confirm: 10GBe, internal USB, and PCIe Slots are "ChEeKy" while quad core CPUS are "RoCkInG" and "RoCkInG oUt"?
Cheeky in British English means indulgent or disrespectful. In Australian English, it means dangerous. In... no common usage does it mean... a port on a motherboard.
Rocking means to... perform music or to be weirdly proud of running something obsolete in the current year. Quad cores aren't obsolete for this task.
It'd be a lot easier to take you seriously if you used actual, adult words.
The fact they wasted a lane on giving the 10GBe PCIE 3.0 (1GBps) a x2 connection when it's... you know... it's 10Gb... and can't even hit the 10GBe target.
They don't ship with batteries as most countries either reclassified or always classified lithium cells as shipping hazards, which greatly increases the cost to ship.
(There is not a single case of a CR2032 lithium cell catching fire that produced in loss.)
You don't actually need a 300-watt supply. They just don't want you connecting it to a trash one and filing a claim that it can't power the product. Also, hard drives use quite a bit of current when spinning up. You'd want a decent supply if you have 6 drives constantly spinning up... which is the clear intention of this NAS board.
Actual NAS PSUs are specifically designed to support the high current load of hard drives starting with a much lower overall wattage.
PCIe 3.0 x1 would limit real world throughput to 800MB/s. Two lanes gives you 1600MB/s. No, they didn't waste a lane.
I think the problem with these Atom processors is the PCIE lanes. Sure they could have fit a 4x PCIe on this board, but that N100/N305 atom processor only has 9 lanes of 3.0. I bet they're using a 2.0 controller for the 10G so thats probably taking 4 lanes right there, the sata controller is probably using at least 1 lane, and then the M.2 are probably only given 1 lane, but if they've been given 2 lanes, there are quite literally none left for a PCIe slot.
Now, maybe they're using a 10G NIC that uses the 3.0 standard and can get by with 2X, maybe the M.2 are given 1x, this would in theory leave 4 PCIe lanes for a card somewhere else. But those newer 3.0 10G controllers cost money, which is why i am assuming this board is less than $170
Ok, the network seems to be 2x3.0 so unless one of those M.2 drives are at a full 4x, i dont see why there isnt a 4x slot available
I'd still have bought this over the PCIe slot board for the JohnsboN1 mainly because the NICs i have (both 10G cards and 4x1G cards i had planned to use for a virtualized firewall) overhang and block the SATA ports
It's not an Atom processor. It's Alder Lake-N. Neither the N100 nor N305 are Atom.
He literally stated they're using 3.0 x2 and are wasting a lane on giving something requiring ~1GB/s a ~2GB/s connection.
I'm not sure how you arrived that they could "get away" with a x2 connection. 3.0 x1 is 1GB/s or around 935 MBps.
3.0 is not "newer", it's over a decade old.
The transfer figures are disappointing. Maybe an N305 board might run truenas better?
I'll continue to hodl for now.
Any rack mountable case for that?
No. This is the only ITX motherboard in existence that can't be rack mounted to an ITX case.
This because standards are meaningless and aren't intended to stop stupid questions like this one.
is that actually a BIOS or is that UEFI?
Looked nice, but to many compromises
I was so up when I saw this. I've got 4 sas 32g total and hoped and then the crash n burn. Bought those sucker's by accident for 200. After trying to find a solution thinking ebay and just minimize my loss. Arrrggg
First time hearing about a cheeky pci-e
Boy, the n100 already will be at the peak of its performance handling the network interfaces. What do you want to cramp in? Get another CPU for that.
The nic probably eats up all pcie slots of the CPU anyway
1st..... update on jonsbo n5?
I'm trying! They are getting back to me (I hope) soon
@@nascompares thanks.... Keep up the good work
Pssst.... ua-cam.com/video/qI3TNUyq87Y/v-deo.html
@@nascompares legend
I would have like 2 10gbe and 2 2.5gbe. A good/better router/firewall.
Me too! I was hoping it had dual 10gb but understandable that it doesn't
Why would the board need 300w available to it? The data drives don't take power from it, and you measured a peak of 50w... power hungry 10gbe device?
To be fair, that 50W was 6 sata SSDs and 2x m.2 and 10GbE. Also..I'm with you on he bizarre PSU man.. wildly OTT
@@nascompares Is it possible they were allowing for 6x 3.5" HDD's? Maybe more with one of those NVME to SATA converter sticks.
Even then it's over the top. I have a UGREEN NAS 8-bay with an Intel 12th gen laptlop processor, and with all 8 bays populated, it idles at 100 w or so with no disk activity.
It's not like you're going to need any extra juice for non-existent PCIe slots, and I'm not sure you're hitting a good point on the PSU's efficiency curve if you're only using 1/3 or so of its total power output.
Pcie missing was the first thing I noticed. Weird choice
no pcie and only 6 sata... so kinda limited and the 10gbe seems "wasted"
Looking at these boards, i wish they would just go with 1 10GBE instead of 4 2.5GBE network interfaces. If you really need that many, 10G to 4x 2.5G unmanaged switches are reasonably priced.
191€ and 250€ with ram + import taxes 🎉😢
Why waste space with 6 SATA ports when you could save space with one Oculink port which breaks out into 8 SATA ports? But yes, I'd want a full x16 slot and at least two x4 NVME slots.
I mean...you could use that argument against SATA ports in general on all mobos in the last 3-5 years (NAS or otherwise). I guess maybe costs of sata at manf are lower. But more likely it's just scalability over time. 1 big fan out all over the place if you aren't using all the outputs, or just gradual data cables over time of varying lengths. But I see your point, and it's the better over solution for sure.
JMB585? Pass, next one
"insanely battered box" - shows a box with a tiny crease on it. Ehm, you haven't been ordering stuff for very long based on that, or have been 'insanely' lucky. Boxes looking like someone has driven over them with a whole row of tanks are the usual fare. It WOULD be highly unusual to get a box that is intact, which has never happened to me in more than 15yrs of buying stuff from China. Well, with the exception of double boxed items where the original 'retail' box has been taken off and folded neatly into a brown thick cardboard box along the contents. Then it just arrived a bit weirdly folded but without rips or big creases. That way I could take the stuff out, unfold the 'retail box' then stuff the contents back into it, tape it shut, then pretend it arrived like that.
N100 only has 9 PCIe, forcing you to get something else. I'd like to see a Motherboard with 2x PCIe x8 (elec) / x16 (Physical) with a CPU to support, so you can put a 10/25/40 B in one & HBA in other
Well say thanks Intell for supporting only 1 channel of DDR5/LPDDR5 with max 4800 MT/s and no ECC on the N100 also there's only so much you can do with 9 PCIe Gen 3 Lanes... and
The N100 can only use a maximum of 16GB of ram single channel. It's a limitation of the CPU that can't be circumvented.
Not true. That's the official line from Intel. Nearly all N100/N305 systems work perfectly well with 32GB modules as the chipset is common to other Alder lake systems.
N100 with 10Gbe for SATA NAS? Its too disbalance IMHO. To saturate 10Gbe you need raid of SATA SSD, not HDD. Raid will something like RaidZ1 or even RaidZ2, so when you will active use array like that power of n100 can be insofficient.
P.S. About ecc, with ddr5 we have electrically and mechanichally different slots, so its obvious just by looking at the board
RAID of SATA SSD isn't out of the question on a board like this with 6 ports!
My 22TB drives can do 250 MB/s of consecutive read/write each.
If I have 6 of them in a RAID is that (more) or less than 10Gbe can handle?
@@tim3172 more, although inefficiencies will probably crop up that will lower those numbers. but you're still going to be comfortably inside the range of "I could never transfer data this fast without 10GbE."
@@tim3172 yes, on sequential reads at the start of the disk you can saturate 10gbe and maybe not have CPU bottleneck, but I'll rather test it
Bah-eh-ree
I love the British accent :)
*sips glass of war-arr* u wot, mate?
I doubt an N100 based motherboard with PCIe slot will be saturating the bus with a PCIe 10Gbe card installed either. As for complaining about the motherboard not coming with a $1 coin battery.... dude. smh.
Dude, it's not a complaint. I'm just surprised that it doesn't have a battery and the PSU demand is weirdly high - when neither of these things are present on most other near identical boards. Don't you think that's odd?
N100 with an active cooler, no thanks!
Cheeky!
Synology should just buy the IP for that board, shove it in a plastic housing with a backplane....and sit back and profit. The fact they didnt do that 3 years ago is criminal lol
This video comes late
Late to what?
What a piece of crap. Understandable price
10GbE on an ITX mobo is useless and basically a scam for home users and even small offices, let's be honest.
Maybe in a few years it will become relevant, but by the time that happens, your cheap chinese board will either die or be replaced anyway.
Meh no thanks
Ah well...
ok
Are you aware cwwk have released a new version of the q670 ?@nascompares