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- Get it? It's a divide like a canyon, but also like a split among people.
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Ah yes, the episode Aang showed the art of Truth Bending
Truly a political figure in the making
Aang: "It's called we do a little trolling".
No wonder Republic City was so screwed up then.
I didn't vote for Tinkle Toes to be the Avatar.
Aang was basically tricking two groups of idiots to get along with each.
to quote 1984 Aang was merely replacing one set of nonsense with another.
At least we gotta give them props for portraying a fued exactly what it is, an illogical and dirty affair that leaves nobody off the hook easily! Won't anyone agree?
I agree. These two tribes are so stubborn in their prejudices and opposing ways that the refuse to listen to reason or hear the other side out. As the episode was written, lying about what happened was likely the only way to get them to pull their heads out their asses long enough to make peace.
Plus, this episode shows Aang’s immaturity and desire to find an unorthodox way to handle conflicts.
Though I feel like you could’ve gone down a different route putting emphasis on how the grudges of the old harm and affect the young. Maybe through a Romeo and Juliet style subplot where a young couple is trying to meet in secret. Maybe something like that.
@@KlutzyNinjaKitty Advocation for historically revisionism? That's a big yikes from me, dog. Peace built on a lie isn't peace.
You Biharis, always giving credit where credit is due!!
@@KlutzyNinjaKitty there's already a romeo and juliet like story oma and shu! You been reading my other comments about aang? Besides these two tribes would be too stupid to have responsible kids!
@@Slavesforsale1 would've rather have them kill each other and maybe drift others into their conflict too? Sometimes you gotta do something dirty, no matter how clean wanna present yourself!
The one thing about this episode that comes back is in “The Ember Island Players”
“Look it’s the great divide, the biggest canyon in the earth kingdom”
“Eh let’s keep flying”
That joke existing is the only good thing about that episode!😂
I actually like this episode. It shows that Aang is not above lying to get what he wants.
But the show never portrays that as a bad thing
Airbenders lie to get what they want that’s just like dinosaurs!
@@guilhermehank4938 true but it does stop another potential war
Or rather, it brings up a moral gray area. Is it okay to lie if it brings about peaceful outcomes?
@@TayoEXE NO because the moment that lie is revealed that peace is _gone_ and you've lost all credibility as an impartial mediator.
This episode is actually flawless, and people pick on it for no reason, and that is just what we call a fact.
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Or, you could call it lying.
I think it gets a LOT of hate not so much for the content but for being the first episode with out advancing the plot, a lot of people hate it for that reason alone and label it filler.
@@DaWoWzer The thing is, Aang is a 12 year old. So the people saying it isn't in character for him are just idolizing him a tad. He is a 12 year who was taught by trickster mentors that lived isolated from the rest of the world - him having a mentality of :"Aw screw it just go for peace" actually makes sense, and I agrre that people give that too much hate.
However, the episode is still just a filler, and honestly Katara gets more done dirty here by insisting they stop to make the fued their business.
@@mesektet5776 actually he's 11.
@@reallyoriginalname1221 No aang states in the first episode he is 12 (or 112).
@@leonglitch yeah, your right. For some reason I remember him saying he was 11 tho
I'm actually going to play devils advocate and say that there is a meaning to Aang's trick. He finds the middle ground and that relates to his using a third option between killing Ozai and letting him live but still able to bend. But Aang uses a third option, energy bending.
I like that perspective!
My biggest problem with energy bending is how it really comes out of nowhere. It makes it hard to see it as anything other than a cop out. Lion turtles are spoken of and some form of their imagery is found over the 4 nations. If for example the Sun Warriors had spoken of "primal bending before the element of fire was gifted by the dragons" or maybe in the library they find some parchment with very alien bending that no one understands except for a lion turtle. I don't dislike the idea I wish it was handled better.
@@davidteachout1888 Agree 100%. Subtle hints at energy bending early on would have been much better than the Deus Ex Machina ending it ends up becoming.
Aang killed two birds with one stone
@@davidteachout1888 Yeah, that could've worked instead of it becoming an ass-pull
To be fair to Aang, he did start the episode saying he was not ready to resolve this problem.
He made a very astute read of the situation immediately, that held true in its conclusion.
The main thing that I take away from this episode is that you need to learn about things from every angle not just from one source, this was mainly shown in how Katara and Sokka had prejudice after one night of listening to each tribes version of the story and just believed it
It honestly paints a accurate picture of politics, especially the U.S. pretty accurately. Prejudice, stubbornness, inaccurate or one-sided information feeding, etc. If anything, it almost feels like Aang's solution was necessary. I'm not sure how they could even begin to get on the path of understanding otherwise.
The different angle thing would’ve worked better if the true story had been revealed by the tour guide as one ancestor was falsely imprisoned, while the other ancestor was robbed of a friend by a Fire Kingdom noble who had made the false accusation.
This would’ve served not only as a uniter for the tribes, but would’ve given the Avatar more support in the battle to come.
I guess that's a good message. But most kids won't see it that way.
There was also a subplot about Katara and Sokka having an argument if the water tarpaulin should be properly set up over a tent or used as an additional blanket inside.
Sokka argues that its highley unlikely to rain and one more blanket makes the tent more cozy whereas Katara argues that while it is unlikely to rain, you never know and its good to take precautions.
They both find their views validated when they travel with the tribes, making them sympathetic to them.
However, what is clear to me is that both approaches are valid. It is valid to use the tarpaulin as an additional blanket when rain is unlikely but it is also valid to take precautions. There is no real wrong way to do it, both options are equally fine, showing that not every argument must have a clear winner or a right answer.
@@wjzav1971 the frustrating part is Katara is the one who insisted that Aang help resolve this feud.... suddenly after one night of conversation with the Gon Jinns, she tells Aang that there's no use in trying and that the Shangs are a lost cause without first hearing the other side of the argument. Like Shady said, Katara and Sokka aren't at their most likable here (though in Sokka's case at least he is honest and admits he only sided with the Shangs because they fed him).
5:37 I’m SO glad you included this part, Shaddy.
People severely underestimate just how much messages, good or bad, impact a child’s development or ideologies.
Thank GOODNESS your father was in the room at the time to properly teach you why this was a bad takeaway.
Side note: I’d personally like to hear more stories about your younger childhood days. 😅
I think that if they wanted to send the cynical message that ideal solutions aren't always possible, they should have had something to encourage thought and discussion about the implications of this ending. And if they weren't trying to send a message like that, they should have found a different solution.
I genuinely like this solution to the problem, while I agree with people critics of the morals of the episode, there is a certain beauty about an imperfect solution that is the only thing that can work to fix the problem. And people saying that this is a "short term solution", what happens if the lie works long term? like when people find about the Lie they just don't care anymore because they have been friends for too many decades. People have a hard time accepting that life ain't that kind that is going to always side with you because you did the righ thing. (is a hard pill to swallow)
I would take the moral to be that there's not always an easy solution to every problem. And I agree, I don't think it's necessarily short term. What will likely happen is that the two tribes will resolve their differences while traveling and become genuine friends, and even if they find out the truth it won't matter to them anymore... OR they'll continue to fight, not resolving their differences cause they're still a-holes, regardless of whether they find out about the lie. Either way that isn't Aang's fault, all his solution did was give them the opportunity to do better.
@@lauraw2526 If they couldn't figure out the truth all this time, I doubt they'd be able to figure out the truth for quite some time. I agree. Aang's solution may be morally gray, but it does seem to give a favorite outcome and opportunity for them to have the chance to truly settle their differences.
@@TayoEXE Yeah, most likely. I always thought of the lesson as being that at a certain point, the past no longer matters and you need to make a fresh start.
@@TayoEXE That fact that they actually believed Aang's lie proves it.
Hostilities get worse due to revealed lies. It's actually pretty normal in human nature to see a lie that lasts a long time to be worse than a lie that is revealed quickly. The longer they believe the lie, the worse it will be when it's revealed, because they will both believe aang told them to lie because he was told to do so by the other side, and thus foster the lie further, or worse, create a new schizm based off the lie itself.
I can't help but draw a comparison between this episode and the movie Klaus.
Two families that hold an ancient grudge against each other? ✔️
A neutral third party caught in the middle? ✔️
Using lies to resolve the conflict between each group? ✔️
However, where Klaus works and this episode fumbles is showing that the lies Jesper told, while ultimately paying off, still have consequences that catch up to him.
If I had to rewrite the episode, these are the changes I'd make (and it would probably have to turn into a 2-parter).
First: We need a reason that the Boomerang Squad can't just fly over on Appa. The Fire Nation would have long range artillery set up along the canyon.
Second: Instead of a single tour guide taking people across, it's a regiment of Earth Kingdom soldiers. Because they know the danger that Canyon Crawlers pose, they enforce the no food policy by searching everyone before entering, and threaten to dessert anyone breaking the rule. Not only does everyone's combat prowess suffer from hunger, but tensions rise more easily.
Because no one can fly across, the elders of each tribe, the ones most obstinate about upholding the feud, contribute to the conflict.
Throughout the episode(s), the two tribes are forced into relying on each other from a combination of long range assault from the Fire Nation and ambush attacks from predators in the canyon. Eventually, Sokka and Katara get the two different stories from each tribe, but instead of getting caught up in the fighting, they take this information back to Aang. Katara could ask Aang if he knows anything that either group doesn't, but Aang would just bluntly tell her:
"Just because I was around a hundred years ago, doesn't mean I was on a first name basis with everyone."
At this point Sokka would suggest he make something up; if these tribes are so eager to keep hating each other, then from a purely pragmatic standpoint, lying might be their best option. Aang reluctantly aggress with the plan, but eventually they get found out. While everyone is upset that he would make up lies about their respective histories, Aang points out how far the Zhang and Gan Jin have gotten through the Divide from working together. By appealing to their sense of survival, the Boomerang Squad leads the tribes in joint missions to sabotage the Fire Nation's trebuchets, and allow the Earth Kingdom to reclaim the territory.
*TL;DR,* this episode can definitely be skipped and you won't lose much.
That's actually a pretty good rewrite.
The point of "The Great Divide" was that based on how easily Aang was able to make the two tribes get along, their feud (if there was any at all) no longer mattered. Someone revealing the supposed truth made them forget their fighting. This meant their fighting was just a pride thing, and they weren't fighting over anything real like revenge, land, politics, etc.
Those monsters are some of the coolest creature designs in all of Avatar, though, they're a major part of what makes this episode bearable for me.
Agreed.
Katara is rather annoying in this way, not just in this episode, but as the Painted Lady, and later during her blood bending training.
This episode would have been cooler if it were Zuko that had to cross the Great Divide amongst the refugees during his solo outing when he left Iroh behind.
It could’ve even contributed to the Zuko arc that way.
That's a great idea
Ok THIS is what I want to hear more about. Gimmie more zuko episodes!
The whole point of the lie was just to end an argument that both sides might actually be right about. The clean brother may have been robbed of the orb, but it could have been someone else who heard about the task from the other twin brother at a bar. So since neither tribe could prove it wrong, Aang lied so they can get past it. If they fight again, then i hope it will be on a real reason.
In fairness, if they all deserved to die in the Canyon because they decided to bring food, then Aang deciving them for benefit in the short term is probably the least of his concerns. He, along with the audience, could probably care less if they started fighting all over again later...
I agree. If the fighting doesn't get the tribes killed, their stupidity will.
I always saw this episode as one with a fun little truth to it. But as i got older i thought, "maybe there is a tiny bit of truth". For something so muddied and lost to time, and with such stubborn people, it's hard to get two groups to come togethee, especially when the well's been filled with this much disdain. I think the only way the episode couldve ended is if Aang just realized this was the kind of problem ya cant fix. And these are going to exist. Itd feel like an empty lesson but a lesson nonetheless. Some people arent going to get over their war. And sometimes, thats just how it is
Or sometimes peoples beliefs are too different that co-existence is best accomplished with full separation.
1. The Waterbending Scroll
2. Serpent’s Pass
3. Imprisoned
I first met Shady on a Internet forum, and only just discovered his UA-cam channel. Already loving this review. Wish you the greatest success dude.
Nice Argument Avatar, mind backing it up with a source?
Aang: The source is that i made it the fuck up!
Angry at myself for not using this joke.
4:04, that “Nani” was perfect. 😂
Didn't know this was considered one of the bad ones. This was the first AATLA episode I saw in its fullest
Fun fact, this was the first AtLA episode I ever saw. *This* is what got me curious enough to try the rest of the series, ha ha.
And yeah, while Aang's solution is morally in the wrong, it's also a very... 12-year-old thing to do. Aang's still a kid--one who was getting really annoyed with the situation and just wanted to find the fastest solution to get everybody to work the heck together. He was making a decision based on short term results, as kids are sometimes inclined to do. And I remember thinking that was pretty funny. Course, it would have been much more interesting to see that bite the gAang back later on in the series. Perhaps going off what you said there'd be an episode in season 2 where the clans--as minor antagonists--are with other refugees now, either having discovered the truth and shunning Aang and co over it, or being confrontational with anyone who's not part of the clans. Something that makes Aang realize that he messed up by telling the lie. Ah well.
Though I definitely agree that the wrong message was taught here, I couldn't disagree more about the point about this episode being "pointless filler". It's pretty clearly trying to teach the audience that two factions can view the world in dramatically different ways due to historical propaganda. This is HUGELY important because it establishes the basis that the fire nation is not inherently evil, but they've fallen for propaganda from their fascist and authoritarian leader. The themes introduced in this episode will be built on by the Jet episode, the episode where Aang goes to school in the Fire Nation, Zukos whole arc and a ton of other episodes. (That being: people are shaped by their life experiences and the stories they're told, but they can improve if given the reasons and resources).
Was it executed in the most compelling and satisfying way? Nah. Did it move the overall plot or introduce hard facts about the world? Nah. But it absolutely is important in the overall narrative of the series since it tells the gaang (and the audience) that no one is inherently evil and everyone has the ability to get along.
This is a really good point.
I love this type of thinking. It adds value to things people typically see no value in.
Considering we never hear what actually happened, how do we know which side has the propaganda? There is a possibility one side is actually telling the story closer to what actually happened and the other isn't. The middle way is not always the best.
@@als3022 Totally! One side certainly could have been more in the wrong than the other. But I think the choice to have no living characters that have actually witnessed the story that started their conflict, to the point where it's literally become mythologized, is really interesting and tells us a lot about the themes of this episode. At the chronological point when the episode takes place, neither side KNOWS the real story, and therefore do not know why they really hate each other. It's ultimately a prejudice that serves neither side, to the point where their assumptions about each other cause more harm than good (such as bringing food on the trail). In the broader narrative of the show, we pretty much know that the Air Nomads are not in the wrong, so whatever the Fire Nation uses to justify the genocide they commited is going to be laden with lies (ex: "the air nomads threatened us first, so fighting back was the only way we could really respond"). However, I still think this episode is trying to say that the blind hatred the people of the Fire Nation might have for other nations is skewed by the lies they've been fed for a century. Interested to hear your thoughts on it! I think this episode is a lot better than people give it credit for. The more I think about it the more I like in hindsight
If it had been my call, this is how I would have done it. Scrap the no food thing and the ancient grudge thing. These are two groups who just don't like each other because one views the other as stuckup pricks who in turn view the other as self-destructive degenerates. Up until now they've had an uneasy truce that basically boiled down to "You stay on your side of the line and we'll stay on our side of the line." But now that they're being forced to travel together, they are on the brink of killing each other. This could have been a moral about learning to respect each other's differences where one side learns that you probably shouldn't just lay in filth all day while the other side learns that being a complete germaphobe can be just as bad.
Even better is if they had to overcome some problem that required both one group's meticulousness and the other group's willingness to get dirty that caused each group to acknowledge the other's way of life has merit and they have more to gain by being friends rather than enemies
SpongeBob did an episode like that (where he and Patrick essentially go to literal war because SpongeBob is a neat freak and Patrick is a slob.)
@@battlesheep2552 they sort of did learn that in the episode. BUT they immediately drop it to resume the feud, until Aang tells his fake story right after.
Really really been loving this ATLA series Shady! Do the whole series!
You could also make the point with episode that you will meet people in life who are just too stubborn to back down. Think about it. Neither side wanted the other to change their points of view on their ancestors and were willing to fight the other if needed. To add to that fact is the fact that this unwavering feud has been going on for generations thus exemplifying the inflexibility for each one. And also teaching-showing the idea that learning to put the past behind you and try to make amends is wrong. In that sense, it’s like the Dr. Seuss short story of The Zax where both were unwilling to figure-out a way to work together and thus missed-out on life. It just goes to show, that if you are that stiff and are unwilling to not find some common ground than life will pass you by.
The episode that taught us the greatest skill for putting off your issues.
Thank you for ATLA content some of my favorite. 👍🏻
I really wanted to see a flashback scene of what really happen during this filler episode. Would have cleared a lot of things up and made the episode a little more enjoyable knowing the truth in the end.
Love your work Shady!
I have to admit the name of the episode flew over my head as a kid xD
I’ll be honest. I started watching this series thinking. I won’t watch it all as I’ve seen a bunch of avatar break down videos. But I was so surprised. You had really cool insights I hadn’t heard any where else.
I'm a total sucker for clichés like this. One of my favorite episodes because it's silly and it shows the gaang is still trying to define the actual role for the avatar. Sure Katara is a busybody, but she's important because I think she represents the general populace. Most people in the world place undue responsibility on the avatar without looking at their own role in conflicts.
These early episodes show that children don't automatically choose morality or know the best ways to intervene. Aang is actually pretty amoral and downright dastardly when given the opportunity. The beauty of his character is that he isn't a 100% idealized monk/messaiah figure. He's just a boy and everyone else has a responsibility to know where they stand.
I see why most people have a problem with the moral of this episode but I like how they use the outcome as a punchline. Katara should never have volunteered Aang for the job, Aang should not have taken the peace-maker role so seriously, and Sokka shouldn't have stoked the fire just to validate his point of view. All three were at their very worst and the payoff for this episode's characterization comes much much later.
Ultimately, lies were used to show Aang gets a big head and has a long way to go before he can face real civil conflict. If you look at the main cast instead of the main conflict, you can see they are negotiating their group dynamic much more than they are problem solving.
Is this episode sloppy, unclear, and obnoxious? Absolutely! But I was always able to follow the negativity as a means to later character growth. They just should have revisited the consequences of lying better IMO.
It only goes to show, that war compels people to do some morally questionable stuff, focusing on short term goals, instead of long term consequences. That's how Team Avatar justified lying to the tribes, and stealing from pirates. Side note: it was also a contributing factor to Sokka getting laid with Suki.
To be fair does anyone need to justify stealing from heckin pirates?
Katara be out here snatching up side quests while Aang and Sokka be out here just trying to finish the tutorial chain lol
Honestly lying was for the best. Yes it didn’t help them grow, and it may have not been for that reason. But as you said in the beginning, Aang is on the clock. It’s not his problem that these two groups still bicker, and the fact that he actually took away their reason for hating each other when he could’ve just left them as is (and possibly end up in the same situation again) was admirable. And it wasn’t like it was on the scale of race (a little ridiculous to even bring that up but whatever), it was about something neither knew the truth about. And frankly this is the opposite of a Mary Sue moment, because it shows Aang isn’t the perfect goody two shoes a Mary Sue is. And it also shows that not every conflict can be solved with a neat little bow. Sometimes white lies (yes it’s a white lie, because whatever happens with the groups next will have nothing to do with what happened in the past) are necessary, especially if it puts an end to something stupid that’s getting out of the hand. You may say that’s a bad lesson for kids, and you’d be right. But while kids are smart, they aren’t insightful. I doubt many kids are gonna look at this and get that message.
Of course this is based on the possibility that it was intended to be a lesson at all. The episode is pretty much filler, and kids watching it may honestly forget about it a little bit after watching it. I know I forgot this episode existed.
Also the kid is like 12 or something. Avatar or not, kids lie to get annoying situations over with.
I agree, but honestly, I don't think Shady's Mary Sue meter is to be taken that seriously. His parameters for what constitutes a Mary Sue moment are rather generous and I think its rather a general meter of how often these people get to shine.
This is the episode I remember so vividly lmao
My parents never corrected my taking of the lesson to heart so thanks for being my figurative parental lesson teacher 🙏🏻
I sort of see the Serpents Pass episode as a sort of reboot to this episode. Similar idea and premise where they have to cross a dangerous terrain on foot with passengers while avoiding any monsters.
Good to know I’m not the only one binging this series
This was the first episode of Atla I've ever seen as a kid
Hey glad you covered this episode, sorry I missed it for this long. When I first saw it I kinda wrote it off as something similar to two groups of people falling out over the most stupid thing, like in MLP where the Apple family hated the Pear family. Looking from the outside we can see how foolish this is because there is plenty of room for both fruits to be harvested and sold but usually these falling outs are because each group's parental leader has put it into their heads that they have the right to claim all fruit business in an area where as in reality this is not the case.
I'm glad you brought up how this solution doesn't really solve the issues with these two groups of people. Only true humility and self reflection can do that. As a black person there is always going to be someone who tells me I deserve to hold a grudge but that would be denying the terrible things that others of my own race in the past have done. And this is true for all of humanity regardless of who you are.
It's best to decide for yourself what path you want to choose in life because there is always someone or something that wants you to carry that past burden, and it's not for your benefit but theirs.
2:19 Back when I first watched this episode, I was SO glad Aang said this, cause I was FUMING at the TV man
I'm a ends justify the means type of guy so I thought the lesson was pretty good.
Even as a kid the fact that they made the canyon guide give up bugged me. Like how many other innocent refugees died in there because no one told them not to bring food or they didn't know the path?
And let's face it If these people were so easily convinced to stop fighting, then how easy would it be for them to start fighting again?
Concerning your last question, its clear that their fight came from the belief that they were wronged a long time ago and have to take vengeance for it. Once Aang removed that belief, there no longer was a reason to fight. Kind a like real life blood-feuds where offenses given a long time ago still cause killing and suffering. Such grudges become more powerful the longer they go on unopposed, so I don't think they will fall back into fighting again that easily.
I've always told myself that filler episodes just show you more about the characters themselves. I don't mind them. I loved this episode as a kid and still agree with everything you just said
One of those episodes is definitely The Painted Lady:
1. Katara slows down the mission in an incredibly crucial point for a minor issue that would be resolved by their main mission.
2. Despite getting called out in the episode and her actions having bad short term consequences for the people she helps (that the gaang could have easily missed by leaving about a minute too early), the story treats it like the best course of action.
3. It's filler. If I remember correctly, there isn't even a Zuko B-plot.
Yeah, even Zuko and Iroh skipped this episode.
But the lesson and Katara’s morality still make sense: yes the people would’ve likely been saved just by the war being over but how long would that take to affect them? Those people in their village were miserable living with polluted water, they needed help now, who knows if they would’ve survived til after the war was over. Katara saw that and decided she needed to do sth since she had the ability to. I think it makes perfect sense
My guesses for the other two episodes would probably be The Northern Air Temple and Nightmares and Daydreams though I genuinely don’t know given I find The Great Divide to be the only below-average episode of ATLA
The worst episode of Avatar is obviously the fortune teller one. Cringey generic bad romance advice plot that adds nothing to the series except feeling like the only truly filler episode.
I think that episode was important because A) it shows that people living in the Fire Nation suffer from the war too, not just the rest of the world and B) that to make things better, you kind a have to make them better yourself and not wait for a "saviour" to do them.
Also, the whole time-table thing is moot anway. There are plenty of episodes even before where the Gaang just fucks around instead of following their goals even though the whole Sozin's Comet should put them on a very strict time table. But would you wanna watch a show where the protagonists just rush through the land, pay no heed to any calls to adventures and just blatantly eat, travel, train and sleep all the time? The whole format where we see them stop to help people, explore the world or just relax are there because its entertaining and we all know that in the end, they are gonna arrive in time for the finale. Its just like in video games where the characters tell you to "not let the King waiting" or "kill that dragon before it reaches the village" but you know damn well that those events are not gonna happen until you are there to start the missions and you have plenty of time to grind, explore and do side-quests.
Maybe the pie was made with coconut/palm oil & apple sauce, all sourced via the tech at the time plus bending.
I mean they do have clay pottery, they could have used clay pots to cook some more apples to make apple sauce so they could make a dough for an apple tart or whatever the fuck the dessert was in this episode.
I'm gonna take a stab and try and guess which 3 episodes you don't like now. "Bato of the Water Tribe" "The Swamp" and "The Painted Lady".
Looking forward to those the eventual videos for those three mystery episodes!
I just watch this episode 2 days ago. I wondered what Shady thoughts would be 😂now I'm about to find out👍🏾
Aang lying to the people and that being the moral has a very "irreverent 90's" mentality to it
another video!!!! lets go
and doing this so the algorithm favors u sir!!
Yes more ATLA content please
Props to poppa raggsss for being there and paying attention to his son and helping him learn an important lesson.
Btw the writer of this episode admitted the only reason it was made was because nick wanted another filler episodic episode
What I thought bc it’s one of the like three they’d play over and over since they didn’t need multiple slots for them
Which is why I don’t like the episode mainly. It’s not the episode itself. I’ve just seen it too fucking much
@@Birchlead yes that’s because Nickelodeon preferred episodic things that they could air basically whenever they wanted hence why this was one of those episodes that was aired constantly
@@michaelnally2841 yeah. It’s unfortunate how it makes what are otherwise innocuous episodes rather unlikable through sheer exposure. I think I’d scream if I heard the first two notes of the song for that tunnel ep lol
+1 for parents paying attention to what their kids are watching.
I think a good way to improve this episode would be to make it follow directly on from Jet.
Start the episode by team avatar travelling with the people of the fire nation town that Jet flooded, they then arrive at the great divide. A group of earth kingdom refugees then arrive shortly after.
From then have the episode focus on humanising both sides of the war.
The ending could be the two sides working together to escape the canyon. Maybe the canyon crawlers are scared of fire, so the firebenders are able to hold then off while the earthbenders get people out of the canyon.
And maybe later we could see the earth kingdom refugees again in Ba Sing Se, but they're all brainwashed and don't believe a war is going on outside the walls.
love this Avatar stuff ngl
Maybe the real lesson is that even the best and wisest of leaders aren't above taking a shortcut to peace
Eh, I thought nothing when I saw this episode, so when everyone was saying “The Great Divide is the Worrrrst!!!” I’m all like “which episode was that again??”
I didn't take this episode lesson to heart I was wondering if this took place in a parrel world
Did someone say DIVIDE?
*proceeds to constantly talk about bulls, bears, and history*
Morals to stories MATTER!
Oh yeah i always forget about this episode. I was getting excited for the storm review next lol.
I can definitely guess the Painted Lady as being one of those three bad episodes
It so nice to see someone criticize media and still admit they enjoyed it. We need more of that.
In defense of Katara; She's a teenage girl, who grew up in arguably the most isolated place in her world. She was basically raised to believe the avatar is Bending-Jesus, and in fairness, by this point she has seen Aang show off what it means to be a literal Master of air bending.
Frankly, how she acts in this episode really isn't that out of character, if all you have to go on is what you've been shown of her up to this point in the series.
While it's certainly out of place for what we see of her in later seasons of the show, I'd argue that's just character growth in action. As she travels and grows as a person, she stops being as needlessly reckless, and learns to take things more seriously. She also learns to have less blind faith in Aang, stops seeing him as some kind of mythic figure, and realizes he's basically a child. A child with powers of mythical proportions, but still mostly just a child.
Awesome video
5:43, Good on Daddy Doorags!
Fun fact: I fell asleep on both my first watch and rewatch of this episode. I genuinely can't tell you the middle part of this episode.
You missed the rly cool anime inspired art design of the stories as told by the various ppl in the middle of the story
@@SylviaRustyFae fail then
Nice.
You would think they'd have records of these events
Yeah, that doesn't make sense
I love the way you get your points across. Very clear and you don't waste a second. I didn't have a problem with this episode and I thought it was mostly entertaining. The animation for the tribe stories was cool too.
But yeah, the way Aang "fixed" the prejudice wasn't right. There should have been 5 minutes dedicated to having an actual discussion.
However, I don't think that the moral of the story is about how to solve prejudice. I think it's simply commentary on how stupid prejudice is. The conflict was started by something stupid and it ended with something stupid. It makes sense on a very slight level. Still could have been a better story.
Jin Wei, Wei Jin. How did I not see this.
I’m fifth today? Yay! I found your Channel because of your KotH videos but stayed for all of your vids! Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on this poorly rated episode!
Thanks for the new video Shady and go hug your animal friends all 💙🐱💙
Your videos give me the same vibe as Vee Infuso videos, very "this is my opinion and I could give a fuck if you agree or not", it's why I like watching yall so much haha
It's been almost a year, and it seems we're not knowing which 3 episodes Shady hates.
I'd guess The Chase, Painted Lady, or the Cave of True Lovers, but idk. Let's find out in some years
I liked this ep. It was funny
Lying is wrong. The moral of the episode should have been about them letting go of the past and not let their differences get the better of each other. That would been so much better than straight up lying!
But what do you do when you try to teach the feuding people this lesson and they are still hellbent on killing each other but you could stop it with a lie.
Would you still not lie because its wrong, even if it right immediately would lead to senseless bloodshed?
@@wjzav1971 that would be on them, not me. But I would try to put myself between the two sides. Possibly
@@jamestolbert1856 Depends on how responsible you feel for them, I guess you could say its their decision in the end. However, I see a serious problem with putting the virtue of truth above human lifes.
i liked the episode..
Idk this episode never really bother me but that's just how I feel 😅
Sometimes you gotta lie to save your skin amd possibly life. Though a small disagreement shouldn't require it.
i see The Great Dividewas too much to continue ;]
What I like about the episode solution is that it was childish (both lying and the "true past")
Mainly because is the way one would see people that are deep into solving things from centuries ago. Because, more often than not, even if your morals or missions are deep...people will inevitably start acting like children.
People will refuse to hear any word that comes from "the other kid"
People will start lying and doing harm because "the other kid does it"
People will validate awful people just because "they are their peers"
And at the end, any political, historical, ethical, etc. discussion can and will devolve into something similar to kids screaming in the backyard if it drags for long enough.
So to me, showing the past as something childish was, at least to me, spot on and ironic.
Aang lying is still awful tho
I've only started watching AtLA recently and when I saw this episode, I didnt mind it. Kinda surprised when I heard *After* that it was considered one of the worst. Its possible I liked the ending fine cause I tend to enjoy things if it surprises me, and I was expecting this to be cleared up in the end by just clearing up the misunderstanding. The lie made sense cause if they were just told both sides of the story, it make both tribes look stupider for never discussing this for 100 years, and Aang just *conveniently* knowing the people in the past makes it a bit more contrived, so defusing it by lying about the past made more sense to me. Even after the two teamed up, it seems kinda hard to imagine they could make amends as both sides think the other wronged them; it be hard to clear up in one episode. But the point of it being a bad moral still holds; you never know how kids are gonna take a lesson but this is one where it said lying is right without much in the way of nuance; its just done as a bit at the end. Maybe if Aang convinced the tribes that them helping save each other was the start of them making amends it would've been a better idea but writing is hard.
It also would require showing the people that worilking together would be better right after they went from working together for a co.mon purpose to immediately drawing weapons again on each other.
Fun fact, the two tribes are named after the Chinese words for clean and dirty
They made fun of this episode in the beach episode. When they get to this point in the fire nation play, the actors agree to just skip over it.
Edit; Ah! Right after I finished writing that you mentioned it! Nice catch!
oooo 3? I have 2. curious if we'll match up.
Except the main thing is, unlike modern society where we have computers and easy ways to spread info, most people in Avatar don't even have access to a printing press. They followed the feud for a hundred years without ever finding contradictory evidence or thinking.
They're dumb enough to fall for Aang's lie.
A hundred years later when Avatar whocares fucks with them by telling them that Aang was lying, they'll still believe Aang's lie until that moment.
Okay Chekhov can't wait for the hate-isode.
The most goated filler episode
Upon nearly 20 years of reflection, I like this episode. I just think Nick reran it to death.
unpopular opinion: this episode isn’t that bad. yeah it’s not the best, but I wouldn’t it’s as terrible as ppl say
This episode was so funny
Exactly
Ah yes, a:tla’s least favorite episode
Despite everything about the episode, I still do like it quite a bit, so the whole hatred towards it always felt a bit overblown, but admittedly in the years to follow I have become more aware of the issues with the episode, but I can't hate it.
I never did like that Aang told a massive lie to try to bridge the gap between the tribes. Namely because now I want to know what really happened between their ancestors. That fact that even the names are basically the same, just in a reverse order, makes me think it was just one guy the whole time
Hot take: I wonder how this episode would have gone if it centered around the Kyoshi Warrior’s helping the tribes. Also, in that case, the sick and elderly would have had to go to which would have definitely made it more of a challenge. I am curious how this would have challenged Suki as a character. With that we kill two birds with one stone. We get a “filler” episode but we also get to flesh out a fan favorite character that need a tiny bit more development.