Time to Pivot the Alt Army?

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  • Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
  • Short video showing you guys how I'm setting up my 92 Alchemy / Tailors in the War Within - The journey to 100 million.

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  • @wiballaonasiaa1
    @wiballaonasiaa1 10 днів тому +4

    I love these longer videos that are not jumpscare screaming like most youtubers seems to be. Feels like listening a friend talk about his day if that makes sense. Brilliant!

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +2

      Yeah true just like old school youtube used to be.

    • @GrayzBDF
      @GrayzBDF 8 днів тому

      Very well said. Exactly!!!

  • @Deafsage
    @Deafsage 10 днів тому +3

    Gold making and an excel lesson. Quality content

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Gotta mix it up these days

  • @itsmechrispy6083
    @itsmechrispy6083 10 днів тому +2

    IF someone gets a Duskthread linning on Illidan they are about to make bank people pay 30k a pop

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +1

      Yeah I reckon they be right, I will be a bit slower to adjust but it's fine i'll settle for 20k a pop :P

  • @kennedymiller5781
    @kennedymiller5781 10 днів тому +4

    You should utilize the craft sim addon. Your alts are going to be set up the same way overall so you can actually account for multicraft, resourceful, etc. for more accurate gauges. For example I think blacksmithing is pretty solid right now when it comes to alloys especially factoring in frameworks. Its super complicated and craftsim will help show when its worth to use those optional reagents for larger profit.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      I have been told so many times to install Craftsim perhaps I will once I'm completed my alt army setup and
      have a good play around with it.

    • @MrGoldstinger
      @MrGoldstinger 10 днів тому

      i will second this it also allows you to simulate diff builds by adding kp and it will show you breakpoints you need to reach for example spell threads so you dont have to actually spend the points and see what kind of profits/minimum mats you need to use, i did this on my alt army to min/max what level/kp i need to reach a build and move on to the next toon

  • @kaychak807
    @kaychak807 10 днів тому +8

    I was saying for a week before release that tailor's needed to be using concentration on the spell thread's, you don't even need that much knowledge to be able to craft them with rank 2 materials.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +1

      I wonder how much concentration will be required when using rank 2 materials

    • @kaychak807
      @kaychak807 10 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv It's a lot, I can't remember exactly, but luckily the same + skill that works for the bolts, helps with the spell threads too.

  • @rjp8268
    @rjp8268 10 днів тому +3

    you could save yourself some mousing-over on the patron orders with this addon: No Mats; No Make

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +2

      I mouse over to see the priority like i prioritize the KP ones over the 30 AA ones and the 30 AA ones over the 10 AA ones.
      Assuming that addon does what it says it does, Then I would see less orders? Could you perhaps provide more context thanks
      others read the comments too so other can benefit from your comments not just me.

    • @bj_
      @bj_ 10 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv as commenter, can confirm the addon does show KP/AA commission for each line @rjp8268 kudos m8

    • @Silent002
      @Silent002 10 днів тому +2

      @@Goldzen_tv I've been using this addon too. The original purpose in DF was to filter out Public crafts that were trying to swindle you by not providing mats or not enough gold, but it's been repurposed for TWW to just show what the commission rewards are for Patron orders as well as what they require from you. It won't hide anything from you.

  • @gloomshadeo
    @gloomshadeo 10 днів тому +1

    Costco story was just like real life. Full immersion

  • @jayryan1956
    @jayryan1956 10 днів тому +2

    The new crafting system is much less lucrative this time round then last. Everyone for the most part knows how to make a profit out of it all and has a better understanding of different builds. I know for sure there will be a lot more people crafting this expansion than last. I like your idea about the long haul for gold making
    Instead of the quick 5 minute route that gets destroyed in 2 days. Not sure if concentration will introduce much more rank 3 materials then DF as we relied on inspiration last time and using mettle to craft the essences to increase skill by 30. Last time I made a lot of gold from selling rank 3 blue silken linings by crafting my own azureweave bolts at r3. I might go a similar route but not sure which embellishments will be bis or if they even have as much of an impact this expansion

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +1

      This expansion is a deflationary expansion meaning gold profits will be tighter and less lucrative for sure. The days of making big gold consistently
      are over some people will make bank early days which is always the case but the vast majority of the gold will come from providing value to the market
      via utilising concentration and rank 2 materials. Just the way it is now and I'm very much happy about it. Proof of Work systems in general are way way better
      for economies.

  • @sahalachoung2703
    @sahalachoung2703 10 днів тому +3

    One thing I didn't see you do is the dirt/treasures for 2 profession points every week per profession per alt. I understand this can take a good deal of time and trying to do it on so many characters would probably not be worth it in the long run. Would you suggest skipping this step if you are doing setups with multiple characters? Like 20+ characters doing dirt every week right now for me, but it eats up my time when the drop rate rng decides to be a jerk. Sometimes I get stuck spending 30 minutes just doing dirt and that just doesn't seem productive, but I remember to stick with it cause it has added up. Also the inscription books that give one point a week, I don't know if they would be worth it if I didn't have an alt that could craft all of them. Thank you again for showing your process and building your guides. They have helped immensely with my alt set up so far. Just wondering if cutting back to just work orders and weekly quest would be more productive then what I'm currently doing.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +3

      It is 100% your just wasting time gathering inefficient knowledge points. Same reason why I'm not going to the
      DMF every month it's just not worth it for me specifically. When time is a factor you think and make decisions differently.
      Ofc if I only had 5-6 alts for sure i would have plenty of time to min/max every knowledge point. I think you know the answer
      and are just looking for confirmation bias - Just let them go you will suffer less and benefit more in the long run.

    • @sahalachoung2703
      @sahalachoung2703 10 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv Thank you so much for the quick reply and helpful advice. I will make my adjustments accordingly, and yes my sanity was being taxed doing so many! Looking forward to your next video as well. Have a great day.

  • @dazlock4491
    @dazlock4491 10 днів тому

    I used my alt army to split the tree's in most proffs. I am so glad I had alts making reagents because for some reason it is better sellers than end crafted goods.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Which reagents were you making like the optional finishing reagents?

    • @dazlock4491
      @dazlock4491 9 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv no like the inks/ciphers on a scribe, crushing is HUGE money on JC, didn't touch tailoring as I knew everyone else would. Obviously disenchanting too.

  • @GrayzBDF
    @GrayzBDF 10 днів тому +1

    Love you too. So chill. It's easy as a viewer to tell you what to do but my enjoyment is hearing your thoughts as you're taking your chances. I do the same. Most fun way to play imo
    I wasn't going to go hard @ professions but once I get sucked really into something I can't stop. So I'm chaining a certain profession and have 26x concentration cds available atm. I didn't start professions til a few days into pre launch and back then I only dabbled. See what I enjoyed.
    Now we're confident, taking chances and the character count right now is like 9? So worst case scenario there will be a lot more added coning weeks. Praying that Blitz sobers me up. I'm like you @ Costco roflmao.
    Will see if it lasts long-term. I don't need the 100s of mills I just need my systems in place. That's all I need. The rest sosrts itself out past that point.
    Oyeah, if you need breaks take them. Super important. The game will be here and the gold can still be made wven after the UA-camrs say it's dead 🤣 Have fun

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +1

      Thanks mate yeah I think we have alot in common im pretty sure I got the idea of alt armies from you back in vanilla classic.

    • @GrayzBDF
      @GrayzBDF 8 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv I actually cancelled my plans and went straight back to retail haha. But if it was me "well i'll be damned". I can't redo things. Vanilla was a lot of fun, but I have even more fun now. My systems have evolved and thus my +enjoyment when playing ^^

  • @emptyshell905
    @emptyshell905 10 днів тому

    Another thing. Yeah also late but still. If you didn`t finish to setup your alts. Before you learn profession in Dornagal and do "reagents bag quest" i recommend you to check AH for prices. EU prices for storm dust atm >100G, and if you have ENCHANTING - you can pick bag with 40 storm dust in it, solid 4k for nothing (profession cost 10 copper at trainer, just click it ONCE, or you will be charged ~100g for TWW prof), then you can unlearn it at take something else.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +1

      so many missed opportunities, I have done the artisan intro already on all my alts probably couldve saved
      alot of gold doing what you say here but hopefully others who read can take advantage - thanks for comment

  • @TheMrEtheridge
    @TheMrEtheridge 10 днів тому +1

    I love the new city, though my main annoyance is the blacksmith and engineering area being inside.
    @12:08 "Omg what a pig, I might edit that out, not sure" :D

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Agree thats why i gave up on BS and Eng :p

    • @najes101
      @najes101 10 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv I still have faith in alloys once S1 starts and everyone will want their embellished items R5. I am sad that Engineering is dead after the boom of profession equipment (which I didn't get on because in my silliness I thought parts would be a good investment) sad.

  • @BIuffwatcher
    @BIuffwatcher 6 днів тому

    Subscribed. Love the conversational style. I'm not an alt-army player really. So could you give a tip for just a couple of characters to make good gold? ATM my monk is herbing and mining, I'm thinking of dropping mining for enchanting (for the easy patron orders...) It seems so much harder to choose proffs when you DON'T have an alt army, lol. I just don't have the time for to use all my alts!

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  6 днів тому

      I personally would stick to dual gathering mate, less risk and more consistent way to farm gold.
      Especially when you are fully skilled up will take some time. But the way the reagents work in this
      expansion means that the prices are always going to be decent because of thaumaturgy and
      crafting with concentration and guaranteed crafting using rank 3 mats. Its pretty wild.

  • @bobbonner4195
    @bobbonner4195 10 днів тому

    I was thinking of having one main tailor learn the spell threads so with max reagents he/she could make an unlimited supply of spellthreads. That way my alt army could all stay with CD's for rank 3 bolts

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      I think this a wise step long term. But short term you have to use more concentration to get enough rank 3 bolts
      but if you spec each one into threads then they use way less concentration for the same end product.,

  • @michaeld3223
    @michaeld3223 10 днів тому

    I'm speced into churning out rank 1 bolts with the lower cooldown. I've been eying the spellthreads. But right now I'm using a lot of concentration on patron orders so don't even have that much to spare for rank 3 bolts. My main problem with spell threads is the auction house game. I'm into gold/minute. Any moment spent in the auction house is aversive... and counterproductive to my strat. People will be undercutting spellthreads every two seconds and the sales volume won't be that high most days of the week. And if you post low all you are doing is hurting everyone's profit as they will still undercut you. So even if it turns out to be a more profitable way to spend concentration, moving product may be annoying.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Your correct thats why normally i just do the bolts they sell much better than finished products. In DF i only did bolts and Dracothysts
      I'm using around 400 CONC on orders each week per tailor the rest is going into bolts.

  • @kuntalpatel9731
    @kuntalpatel9731 10 днів тому

    New sub here. Love the content. Quick question - in some of the videos you show a spreadsheet. How do I get that, assuming you have made it public?

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      No sheets are public - I prefer people learn how to do it themselves than just give them the answers for money.

  • @semicollin23
    @semicollin23 10 днів тому +1

    Great video man!

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Thanks for the visit Brezbrez

  • @DthklOwns
    @DthklOwns 10 днів тому +1

    What's your plan for blue tools, just crafted my first on main and the mats to get a 5 star fabric cutter was like 40k, I'm thinking about just settling for whatever public orders can manage with rank 1 mats since I have toons split between 3 servers, I have no intention of leveling three tool makers on my smaller army

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +1

      Yes I'm just going to go with rank 3-4 I believe I can manage rank 4 just with my mains making the tools for the alt army.
      I'm more focused on the KP's over tools. The green tools are just as good i'm also considering the cost part I dont wanna go broke
      trying to make 552 rare tools and accessories ya feel. But too answer your question more directly for alchemy double inspiration and tailoring will be multicraft/ingenuity

  • @mklizzar
    @mklizzar 10 днів тому

    i already used up my character profession slots. Got enchanting on almost all of them. I didnt consider tailoring this time around because I felt everyone and their dog would go for that because people can be afk 1 week and just craft 30 duskwaves.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +1

      enchanting alt army is something not many ppl would go so that could be your advantage. especially with popular enchants you can make gold
      on every single enchant you craft this whole expansion. i'm rooting for you bro

  • @ryan-kg4un
    @ryan-kg4un 10 днів тому

    When he said level using bags, did he mean those tailoring specific ones or the duskweave bag cause thats cheaper to make and you can atleast resell those.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Nah he meant the epic bags duskweave and dawnweave. I've been getting them as Patron orders
      so perhaps over time I can just level passively with those aswell no rush to 100 skill

  • @josephinewang5201
    @josephinewang5201 8 днів тому

    You can micromanage the crap out of a bunch of alts, or you can buy millions of gold of Weavercloth Bolt at 5g and sell it for 50g. Looking at the market night now, and with the benefit of hindsight, one is way easier than the other to get you to the objective of 100 million gold.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  7 днів тому

      Yeah people will always take the easy road. The hard road is barely taken that's why I will still earn 100
      million long term. Once the profits drop to the marginal cost of production people will just wait for the hype
      season to make their gold again meanwhile i'll be chugging along slow and steady.

  • @khasset
    @khasset 10 днів тому

    On start of video how do you come to 42 crafts per week at 1,100g? With max you can guarantee 3star? either I am seriously dumb with math or it should be 450g instead 1,100...

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      21 charges per week of the bolt. You make 2 bolts for each craft so thats the 42. The 1100 was probably the approximate profit between the base
      crafting cost and the actual market value of the item without factoring in any procs.

  • @BulkersRuleZ
    @BulkersRuleZ 10 днів тому

    Honeymoon period in TWW of goldmaking I feel like its over. A lot of markets are crushing like profession tools that we know will be very profitable at start and fade fast. Soon things like contracts will go away. Reagents, mats, ores, herbs crush a little too... prices dropped significantly and most of those things at R2 are same price at R1 so only way to profit is to make R3 and pray for multicraft. I feel like it was very short period... I made around 2mil in profit and it would be way more but AH was unplayable for 5 days XD.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      The real winners at the start of the expansion are the farmers - They need more respect this expansion is 100%
      there's for the taking. I feel you, just provide value to others for small gains will make you feel better inside.

  • @aRealPanda
    @aRealPanda 10 днів тому +1

    I just got my alt army with 30 knowledge in from dawn until dusk, where do you think I should put my next points? Quality fabric or down the weave nodes?

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому +1

      The best answer I can give you is first figure out where you want to end up (meaning total build) and then work backwards
      from there and breaking it up into phases. Like phase 1, 2 or 3 sort of similar to my alt army setup videos. But remember the market
      is ever changing to guidance from your own strategy is required rather than just asking where to go. But short answer would be "Spell threads"

    • @aRealPanda
      @aRealPanda 10 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv Gonna do my own research too, just wanted to hear some insight from you too since you seem to know more about crafting than I do. Thanks so much!

  • @Robin92B
    @Robin92B 9 днів тому

    would you do dawn untill dusk and get the last node of dreamweaving first to start being able to make the bolts? or is that useless??

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  9 днів тому

      You can make the bolts way before that, maxing out dawn weaving just allows you to craft the bolts at max rank
      and be able to make more over time. This is a goal for me long term to be able to make 42 of each bolt at max rank
      per character. Big goal but i'm trying to get to 100 million

    • @Robin92B
      @Robin92B 9 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv that makes sense thank you! Are you gonna put tools on all alts for more multi craft?

  • @joaxda
    @joaxda 10 днів тому

    what's the addon that makes it possible for you to search on AH through the proffession tab? :)

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      That would be Auctionator my friend it's my favorite

    • @joaxda
      @joaxda 9 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv Thank you so much for replying. I thought I had tested that addon but it must have been something else :)

  • @mpf7718
    @mpf7718 10 днів тому

    isn't duskweave bolt and dawnweave bolt account bound on craft ? meaning u cant use these with toon army?

    • @bruhthisnamebruh
      @bruhthisnamebruh 10 днів тому

      nope, the dawnweave and duskweave dont bind on any capacity

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      They are just limited in production because of the cooldown and the concentration. It will be awhile before people can
      guarantee at max rank, I believe it you need max tools and around 140 KP minimum

  • @plssf
    @plssf 10 днів тому

    love you too man

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Stayed to the real end my brother

  • @benjpac5
    @benjpac5 10 днів тому

    I don't think the price of those bolts will go down. I think they'll go up. No one is using sparks before they have access to the max rank crests.

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      I think so as well, just gotta get the army ramped up sooner rather than later my plan isnt perfect but still on track.

  • @bj_
    @bj_ 10 днів тому

    I just took one toon to 100 skill with 3 blue equipment and have been churning out thousands of rank 3 bandages like crazy. They're ridiculously cheap to make and any resourcefulness procs refund 100% of the 1 cloth used to make it lol

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Nice are people buying those bandages I assume so, I thought people used potions but hey props for taking that part of the market.

  • @davidkim6469
    @davidkim6469 10 днів тому

    i wish the bank was between the alchemy and tailor table and hows your investments looking so far?

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      tinder box is up a little bit then blasphemites not doing too good. its okay I'm prepared to lose the 3 million

  • @benjpac5
    @benjpac5 10 днів тому

    New gold making guide for most gold per hour: Just go gathering

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      This expansion rank 3 reagents will make people rich just gotta stay consistent

    • @alecruden6912
      @alecruden6912 10 днів тому

      @@Goldzen_tv that’s why the true money in thurma is r2 reagents+concentration with thurma=r3 luredrops is something you should mention. It’s a good way to push the alchemy alt army that doesn’t change the build *IF* blasphemite stays in the gutter

  • @bikeomatic8005
    @bikeomatic8005 10 днів тому

    by the time u max out so will others thus prices will crash, you might be looking at 400-600 gold per dawn/dusk weaves

    • @Goldzen_tv
      @Goldzen_tv  10 днів тому

      Eventually yes, Just like in DF I was just selling the Azureweave bolts in bulk and currently still am oddly enough.
      The point of it, is create value and sell it for gold. Because when no one is buying anything later on I will still be selling
      something of value. Because of the cooldown associated with the bolts. Thats the theory anyways