Thanks for the reference to the Indian origins of the concept. I am an Indian , and proud to say that we use solfege extensively in our classical vocal music, more than probably anywhere else worldwide
I'm Brazil we use solfaggio on fixed C Dó Ré Mi Fá Sol Lá Si Dó All naturals For sharp we use the word SUSTENIDO And for flat we use BEMOL Easy to understand when you get the dynamics, but hard to express vocally fast
Thet solmizations we use in India are: Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Dha Ni Sa We are so used to solmization that as a kid when I was first introduced to the western notes A B C D E F G, I though they were a form of solmization and not absolute pitch. The concept of absolute pitch felt sort of weird at that time.
In Greece we've received the Solfège tradition since the very first auditoriums were built. We use the fixed C system, but we don't use separate syllables for accidentals. Also, we have Si for H. Moreover, the names of the notes are the syllables themselves and not the letters.
In my humble opinion (😁) the “la” based thinking is superior the others in that it is applicable to any key, and allows you to sing also church modes etc in any key, just by knowing the DO in major (Ionian). Starting on RE: Re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do-re you have Dorian, starting on Mi Phrygian, and so on. The downside is that the tonic changes from a fixed do, and for instance in Dorian the re is the tonic.
I was trained by an Armenian/Russian teacher with the fixed "Do" method, but we don't use the altered versions of the names for accidentals. Instead we use "bemolle" for flat and "dièse " for sharp. This method really helps me with ear training and it helped me to develop absolute pitch as a young child. The way my absolute pitch works is that when I hear a tone, it literally "sings" its own name - so when I hear music, I hear the violins/pianos singing using solfege. It's strange and can be distracting sometimes but it's also pretty cool! If there is an accidental, I hear a blend of the two adjacent notes being "sung" at the same time.
I'm from latin america and we use the fixed "Do" method, but we don't use the altered versions of the names for accidentals. Instead we use "bemol" for flat and "sostenido" for sharp.
Interestong about where solmization came from! I never really learned how to read notes using solfa. I can identify them in Letters, numbers and solfegio? but to actially SING them using moveable Do, it just dont work for me!! I think I failed Aual Skills 4 because I never could get the moveable Do system down!! When see a note on the Treble clef second line, I see Sol, and thats it!! In Bass clef, the third space, thats always Mi. I will be learning Braille music soon, and the same Braille that represents letters D, E, F, G, H, I, and J, also respresent music pitches, C, D, E, F, G, A, and B respectivly. So Braille musicians are taught to read music notes using Fixed Do sp as not to get the sysmboles mixed up between text braille and music braille. Text Music D=⠙=Do E=⠑=Re F=⠋=Mi G=⠛=Fa H=⠓=Sol I=⠊=La J=⠚=Ti I have taught myself these symboles, and in a music context, when I feel: ⠓⠙⠛⠊⠙, I see/think: sol, do, fa, re, do. I honestly do not think I will be able to learn the Moveable Do system!! I have a pretty good ear, so for me to think a piece is in Fa major, or Ti minor, or Di minor, or La major is really no big thing.
I literally thought everyone used movable do with la based minor i didn't know people used fixed do that's like the most cursed thing to me I cannot imagine it because that's just exactly the same thing as using note names it's pointless anyways, movable do solflege allowed me to perceive the scale tones in music. I even figure out the chords based on the scale tones I instinctually assign to melodies thanks to solflege. I can sing any tune I hear with solflege, and it helps me aurally identify the intervals between notes. Apparently, that doesn't come easily for everyone. You can only do this with fixed do if you have perfect pitch. Movable do >>>> Solflege to me is like the roman numeral chords (I, IV, V...) while using note names is like using the chord name (C, F, G...) if you use fixed do, this usage is no longer applicable + I was taught this way so I am biased
Because it give you a better understanding of the overall key that your in and it’s much simpler when dealing with chord changes. (That usually happen within a song) For example, La-based helps in dealing with an exact, unchanging sound for that key, regardless of the harmonic environment your in. (Like a Mode) So your ear picks it up much quicker! If choose to label Do as the 1 of each chord you encounter and then add in the accidentals for the sharps and flats, not only are you changing your harmonic map for each chord in the progression, your also creating seven times the workload (a different Do map for every mode of the Major scale) to get to the same destination. The two methods have been proven to work at the highest level, so my point is why take the long road to the same destination. And here’s another reason: ua-cam.com/video/FdlGa6m9leM/v-deo.html
La based minor feels completely natural to me, when it's do based it feels like I have to transpose everything. I sometimes have difficulty distinguishing if music is in major or its relative minor, as the major scale tones are locked in my head. In fact, I identify a minor sound by thinking "Does the most consonant note (tonic) feel like La to you?"
Thanks for the reference to the Indian origins of the concept. I am an Indian , and proud to say that we use solfege extensively in our classical vocal music, more than probably anywhere else worldwide
Sa re ga ma pa dha ni sa...you meant that right?
@@taiteakopyte1286yes correct
I'm Brazil we use solfaggio on fixed C
Dó Ré Mi Fá Sol Lá Si Dó
All naturals
For sharp we use the word SUSTENIDO
And for flat we use BEMOL
Easy to understand when you get the dynamics, but hard to express vocally fast
Exactly the same in Spain. F# is Fa sostenido, Bb is Si bemol and so on
same in turkey except we use something around 'diese' for sharps
Therefore the complete notes with sharps/flats are "doh de ray re mi fa fe soh se la ta ti doh¹"
Thet solmizations we use in India are:
Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Dha Ni Sa
We are so used to solmization that as a kid when I was first introduced to the western notes A B C D E F G, I though they were a form of solmization and not absolute pitch. The concept of absolute pitch felt sort of weird at that time.
Yea that would be because India has certain notes that do not exist in Western music
In Greece we've received the Solfège tradition since the very first auditoriums were built. We use the fixed C system, but we don't use separate syllables for accidentals. Also, we have Si for H. Moreover, the names of the notes are the syllables themselves and not the letters.
In my humble opinion (😁) the “la” based thinking is superior the others in that it is applicable to any key, and allows you to sing also church modes etc in any key, just by knowing the DO in major (Ionian). Starting on RE: Re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do-re you have Dorian, starting on Mi Phrygian, and so on. The downside is that the tonic changes from a fixed do, and for instance in Dorian the re is the tonic.
I was trained by an Armenian/Russian teacher with the fixed "Do" method, but we don't use the altered versions of the names for accidentals. Instead we use "bemolle" for flat and "dièse " for sharp. This method really helps me with ear training and it helped me to develop absolute pitch as a young child. The way my absolute pitch works is that when I hear a tone, it literally "sings" its own name - so when I hear music, I hear the violins/pianos singing using solfege. It's strange and can be distracting sometimes but it's also pretty cool! If there is an accidental, I hear a blend of the two adjacent notes being "sung" at the same time.
Thanks for sharing this! I find it very fascinating.
I'm from latin america and we use the fixed "Do" method, but we don't use the altered versions of the names for accidentals. Instead we use "bemol" for flat and "sostenido" for sharp.
Are you planning another Music in History episode eventually?
Yep. Greek music episode in the works right now. It just takes a long time to make them.
thanks for making this ❤️🙏
Try singing the syllables when you refer to them. This helps in audiation. :)
We learned sight seeing with numbers and I always wanted to know what it was like on the other side
Interestong about where solmization came from!
I never really learned how to read notes using solfa. I can identify them in Letters, numbers and solfegio? but to actially SING them using moveable Do, it just dont work for me!! I think I failed Aual Skills 4 because I never could get the moveable Do system down!!
When see a note on the Treble clef second line, I see Sol, and thats it!! In Bass clef, the third space, thats always Mi.
I will be learning Braille music soon, and the same Braille that represents letters D, E, F, G, H, I, and J, also respresent music pitches, C, D, E, F, G, A, and B respectivly. So Braille musicians are taught to read music notes using Fixed Do sp as not to get the sysmboles mixed up between text braille and music braille.
Text Music
D=⠙=Do
E=⠑=Re
F=⠋=Mi
G=⠛=Fa
H=⠓=Sol
I=⠊=La
J=⠚=Ti
I have taught myself these symboles, and in a music context, when I feel: ⠓⠙⠛⠊⠙, I see/think: sol, do, fa, re, do.
I honestly do not think I will be able to learn the Moveable Do system!!
I have a pretty good ear, so for me to think a piece is in Fa major, or Ti minor, or Di minor, or La major is really no big thing.
Been playing guitar 40 years. This solfege is confusing the heck outta me so far. Thought I'd try learning actual music.
Thanks
MOVABLE DO GANG 4 LYFE FIGHT ME
I literally thought everyone used movable do with la based minor i didn't know people used fixed do that's like the most cursed thing to me I cannot imagine it because that's just exactly the same thing as using note names it's pointless
anyways, movable do solflege allowed me to perceive the scale tones in music. I even figure out the chords based on the scale tones I instinctually assign to melodies thanks to solflege. I can sing any tune I hear with solflege, and it helps me aurally identify the intervals between notes. Apparently, that doesn't come easily for everyone. You can only do this with fixed do if you have perfect pitch. Movable do >>>>
Solflege to me is like the roman numeral chords (I, IV, V...) while using note names is like using the chord name (C, F, G...) if you use fixed do, this usage is no longer applicable
+ I was taught this way so I am biased
What other cultures have solfege except Western and Indian?
Hi
How would a leading tone sung as 'Si' distinguish itself from the sharp 5 of major (or G sharp in Fixed Do Solfege)?
I’m from morocco all france spaine africa use Solfeggio DO RÉ MI FA SOL LA SI DO
I don’t know which is better i don’t find songs Solfeggio on google or UA-cam . Should i move and start from 0 abcdfgh?
I really hate La-based minor. It is so confusing. Why would anyone want to name the tonic note "La" ? My fav is def Do-based minor.
Because it give you a better understanding of the overall key that your in and it’s much simpler when dealing with chord changes. (That usually happen within a song)
For example, La-based helps in dealing with an exact, unchanging sound for that key, regardless of the harmonic environment your in. (Like a Mode)
So your ear picks it up much quicker!
If choose to label Do as the 1 of each chord you encounter and then add in the accidentals for the sharps and flats, not only are you changing your harmonic map for each chord in the progression, your also creating seven times the workload (a different Do map for every mode of the Major scale) to get to the same destination.
The two methods have been proven to work at the highest level, so my point is why take the long road to the same destination.
And here’s another reason: ua-cam.com/video/FdlGa6m9leM/v-deo.html
One argument is that la-based minor is used to help associate the minor key with it's relative major (both have the same key signature).
La based minor feels completely natural to me, when it's do based it feels like I have to transpose everything. I sometimes have difficulty distinguishing if music is in major or its relative minor, as the major scale tones are locked in my head. In fact, I identify a minor sound by thinking "Does the most consonant note (tonic) feel like La to you?"
La is the Alpha Do. God has spoken.
Fix yourself before you nix yourself.
Fixed Do FTW!