I return once again to dispense my commentary before returning to the void. Glad you enjoyed the fight, debatable whether it's worth speeding through the rest of the game to see it but I admit I'm a sucker for lore. It's worth noting that Martlet's dialogue on the roof is LOVE-dependent. There's dialogue for LOVE 1-2 (which you saw), LOVE 3-5, LOVE 6-11, and LOVE ≥ 12 (Aborted Geno). When Flowey kills her, if your LOVE is 1-5, she sounds genuinely hurt, confused why you would "betray" her, while if your LOVE is 6 or higher, she darkly remarks "I should have known..." You didn't miss much by choosing not to FIGHT during Phase 1, clicking the button does nothing. I appreciate you catching on quick that the 'positive' ACTs restored your health, and that you were supposed to shoot the red stuff. You did remarkably well getting all the way to the final phase without dying - most of the people who do this boss panic and miss what they're supposed to be doing. I think it's heavily implied that those talking gray flowers are supposed to represent Flowey's subconscious. Memories of when he first woke up in the garden as a flower, alone and afraid, unable to feel ANYTHING. The final "What have I done" probably refers to the start of his genocidal tendencies, killing everyone and everything just to know what happens. Also LMAO at you instantly being sus of 'dream' Martlet. Looks like you spotted that 1 frame where her face F's up as she hugs Clover too. And Clover. Poor, poor Clover. The game drops a lot of hints that he didn't have the best life at home, and he jumped into the Underground on a whim - whether to finally have some control over his life, or to feel like a 'hero' and make whatever abusive parental figures are waiting for him love him again. No wonder Clover's Determination is so weak at the beginning - he abandons his quest for JUSTICE damn-near instantly as soon as he meets Toriel. And he would rather stay with Martlet than go to fight Asgore. Kid is just desperate for love. And Flowey would rather tear him away from those happy endings to use him as a tool in his own twisted games. However much you hate that POS flower, you don't hate him enough. I agree that this is a pretty hollow 'ending,' all things considered. Could be a commentary on the nature of justice, and how you can't take half-measures. The only definitive endings to this game are where you go ALL one way, or ALL the other. Makes the Geno route even more tragic, if you headcanon that Clover remembers previous routes. In order to not just become another cog in Asgore's extermination-of-humanity machine, in order to escape Flowey's disgusting cycle of death and control, he has to throw away every ounce of compassion he has. Sacrifice who he was as a person, in order to become an avatar of JUSTICE. 💛 "With enough strength... can you change fate?"
Well, am I happy to see you here again. I was aware that Martlet would have different dialogue, depending on how much Level you got. If I know anything about Undertale fights, it's that if you can't fight or act, you just have to wait it out. I see. That makes sense. I won't lie, I've seen that frame before, but I thought it was a bug or something, that would happen during the game. Yeah, I could tell from the few interactions I made in Pacifist that indicated how their life was at the Surface. Well, that is quite an interesting headcanon. Once again, thanks for coming here and explaining everything, I truly appreciate it. ^^
I return once again to dispense my commentary before returning to the void. Glad you enjoyed the fight, debatable whether it's worth speeding through the rest of the game to see it but I admit I'm a sucker for lore.
It's worth noting that Martlet's dialogue on the roof is LOVE-dependent. There's dialogue for LOVE 1-2 (which you saw), LOVE 3-5, LOVE 6-11, and LOVE ≥ 12 (Aborted Geno). When Flowey kills her, if your LOVE is 1-5, she sounds genuinely hurt, confused why you would "betray" her, while if your LOVE is 6 or higher, she darkly remarks "I should have known..."
You didn't miss much by choosing not to FIGHT during Phase 1, clicking the button does nothing. I appreciate you catching on quick that the 'positive' ACTs restored your health, and that you were supposed to shoot the red stuff. You did remarkably well getting all the way to the final phase without dying - most of the people who do this boss panic and miss what they're supposed to be doing.
I think it's heavily implied that those talking gray flowers are supposed to represent Flowey's subconscious. Memories of when he first woke up in the garden as a flower, alone and afraid, unable to feel ANYTHING. The final "What have I done" probably refers to the start of his genocidal tendencies, killing everyone and everything just to know what happens.
Also LMAO at you instantly being sus of 'dream' Martlet. Looks like you spotted that 1 frame where her face F's up as she hugs Clover too.
And Clover. Poor, poor Clover. The game drops a lot of hints that he didn't have the best life at home, and he jumped into the Underground on a whim - whether to finally have some control over his life, or to feel like a 'hero' and make whatever abusive parental figures are waiting for him love him again. No wonder Clover's Determination is so weak at the beginning - he abandons his quest for JUSTICE damn-near instantly as soon as he meets Toriel. And he would rather stay with Martlet than go to fight Asgore. Kid is just desperate for love.
And Flowey would rather tear him away from those happy endings to use him as a tool in his own twisted games. However much you hate that POS flower, you don't hate him enough.
I agree that this is a pretty hollow 'ending,' all things considered. Could be a commentary on the nature of justice, and how you can't take half-measures. The only definitive endings to this game are where you go ALL one way, or ALL the other. Makes the Geno route even more tragic, if you headcanon that Clover remembers previous routes. In order to not just become another cog in Asgore's extermination-of-humanity machine, in order to escape Flowey's disgusting cycle of death and control, he has to throw away every ounce of compassion he has. Sacrifice who he was as a person, in order to become an avatar of JUSTICE. 💛
"With enough strength... can you change fate?"
Well, am I happy to see you here again.
I was aware that Martlet would have different dialogue, depending on how much Level you got.
If I know anything about Undertale fights, it's that if you can't fight or act, you just have to wait it out.
I see. That makes sense.
I won't lie, I've seen that frame before, but I thought it was a bug or something, that would happen during the game.
Yeah, I could tell from the few interactions I made in Pacifist that indicated how their life was at the Surface.
Well, that is quite an interesting headcanon.
Once again, thanks for coming here and explaining everything, I truly appreciate it. ^^
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