Hey Jason, are these made at the Spokane Steel Foundry in the Valley? About 12 years ago I worked in their machine shop. We used to turn and mill charpies and impact samples from every batch of steel that went into various molds for shear and tensile strength. Kevin, I agree, a tour of the foundry would be awesome!
I bought the mega, monster and magic square when you first released them in the T&S form, then last year or so I bought the aluminum versions of the three. I tig welded all the T&S squares to minimize distortion. All six get used regularly when I doing fabrication work. Great products.
I haven't been a customer for your fabrication products yet, but I just want to let you know that these squares (and your collab with Alec Steele) are what brought me to your channel as a loyal subscriber. Love the content. I hope you keep it going for a great deal longer!
I love working with your tools. My first bed rack is functional but definitely not square. The one I build this weekend is twice the size, and 99% square, all built on the floor of my garage. These square helped me jiff things so they are level and square, so happy about this!
I finally had a good reason to use the tabs on my minion the other day and it was glorious! Thanks for all the great tool ideas and UA-cam content Jason! I used my mega square two days ago while installing a stainless railing and it was a pleasure to use as always.
Really great to see the humble beginnings of the first one and the essential nature of those first customers to help you move on and later offer them a better product
I have a few of these squares. When I was selling my home I had to weld up some 1” steel tubing doors that needed about 1/4” tolerance all the way around. I had already moved all my tables and had to ultimately weld these doors in the floor of my garage. Took my time, clamped everything tight to the square with the tabs as my indicated edge….first shot perfectly square (rectangle) doors. They were worth every dime right then and there.
In 2016 I was making Porsche brush guards and made a right angle tool off the center line of a 1.5" tube. I added holes to let it be connected with threaded rod. or pinned together to be made wider. a year later I bought my first non homebuilt cnc with a vf4. I made a new more accurate set of my angle slide blocks but made the other side have big chamfers. I realized how helpful it was around the shop with welding on fixtures and added circles for clamping. those got turned into D"s and the third version ended up looking like your current square. A friend was visiting and picked one up and said "Hey i didnt know fireball made aluminum ones?!" He pulled up your product on the internet and it was so cool to see how similar they are, my border was thicker since I use them as heat sinks and I had less holes in the middle. Ive continued to make custom ones for all sorts of jobs but when friends comment on mine I always send them to your website to get their own. Just so cool to see how people across the country can have the same ideas. Cheers!
@@jwiereng the tabs work but the tube can roll away when clamped if not careful. Also a v block style would let you join tubes of different diameters. These are issues I run into. Again I love your squares, I use them daily.
@@spevakdesignsI just made qty 12 of a different design in 6061 aluminum that are cnc'd and a vee groove machined around the perimeter. They're so nice for building frames and very strong.
I finally broke down and bought the mega, minion, and perfect squares. Wow, I wish I had these years ago. I also got the vise grips and really love them. Keep up the good work.
Loved watching this, it's easy to see tools such as the mega square and presume that it was perfect from the first batch when in reality it could be further from the truth
I don’t do a whole lot of fabrication, but my machinist mind immediately wondered if a V channel could come in handy on the middle of the faces? Maybe one down the middle, and others crossing it width-wise to help join round tube together, and maybe even usefully add an additional 45 for square tube if for a reason they need to be joined oriented like a diamond to each other. Or it may just be redundant. Just thinking out loud, I don’t have one of these, so I may not be the best feedback source lol. I Love this channel and it’s good to see your product progressing and getting refined
I have been watching your videos for quite a while and find them very interesting. I just watched another video (Steve Watkins at work) and the video was of him going through a building that was filled with all manor of machine tools it looked like the majority were brand new and the owner said they were way under retail and he loved to make deals. Hop this helps you out.
Unfortunately as a home gamer I can't justify the price of getting as many of these as I'd like even though they're super useful. Since I've started welding I can't think of a single project where I haven't used my 8" aluminum mega square at some stage.
My father built something similar to this back in the 60s/70s. He made a few for his most common angles that he would weld as it save him time having to make a new jig every few months
Its first time to me watching you and yoi are very good and have great skills in teaching welding.... Can you make some videos for sheet metal welding fixtures specially cabinet which requires more accuracy
I believe a great idea is to make a magnetic coating .you can choose how "strong" it will be . it will help a lot in practical use but also it will protected from corosion . And you can give it a perfect finish for looks also and durability against scratches.
I use my mega square and minion squares almost everyday at a fab shop, from thing gauge steel to thick structural steel plates, makes keeping stuff square easy
Have you considered a coated/treated chromoly version that is smaller and suitable for both welding and machining as a fixture plate? Sort of thing where you can move parts of the assembly as a single setup between additive and subtractive processes? Base metal stays ferrous to be compatible with magnetic shims, have the holes, flats etc. Be certified to a given tolerance? Especially for parts that have complex internal geometry that are best made as 2 parts then TIG’d/brazed together, would be pretty sweet. (Thinking for parts where 3D metal printing/other additive processes don’t make sense, but you want single setup to avoid error accumulation.)
is dragon scale anti stick for industrial adhesives so that it could be applied to the fixture table when working with plastics or other hand assemblies that use glue
Where would one send feedback or suggestions on improvements for your tools? I emailed about adding a center V-groove to the magic square so it could be used to hold round tubing and was told that they weren't looking to modify the design at the time and I'd have to get any modifications done myself.
The problem is that it can be hard to order these products. I have two squares, but couldn’t get the coated versions. Then later, I tried to buy other squares, and couldn’t get them at all.
I bet I've sent at least five guys your direction for those squares. Every single guy thought they were a little gimmicky.... until they used them. Then they wished they purchased at least four like I told them to buy in the first place.
As a home builder I'd be more than happy with the first version and could get away with accuracy not being perfect or like said just have it machined if needed.
we using those squares for a while now, but there is one fundamental problem with the squares (aluminum version), the clamping surface and the material side face is not parallel, from center to edge has a slope toward both edges, while they machining the material side they should machine the clamping side so it is parallel. I would buy more but not until this issue is addressed.
You can weld them on. Or make a little box for them and weld it to the inside. Or you can just put them in a drawer or toolbox like everyone else. Those are the options. I suppose you could mill in some slots on the side of bosses that kinda press fit, or add some magnets, but who knows how they work anyway.
@@Fireball2ool no can do. Obviously, you guys need to do some R&D. Go ahead and retool the entire thing so there's a place for this guy to store the thumb screws. Don't forget to tell your wife that he'll be there at 5 o'clock and dinner better be on the table.
@@Fireball2ool . You have a great product . I too know the feeling of makeing a product . Mine is a fixture mill pistol slides and frames it was the second of it's kind that was commercial use and I made a hundred of them sold them you know but never could seem to get over that hurdle I mean everybody loved the product but just never could keep myself going on it but you know like me and you and a bunch of other people we were the end users so we don't want to try to make it make it very adaptive and parts easily and interchangeable and all that I'm not asking for a review or nothing I just I understand man going through the generations of it but if you do have some tips keeping on track on keeping your product alive I'd sure like to hear your . Thank you
So cool to see the evolution! We love the latest iteration. Maybe if the hole could be a tiny bit bigger to pass clamps with larger pads? Otherwise, perfect. Oh, wait. No. Smaller variants. Not as small as the minions. 😀
how about a tee slot runnig around the out side ? for vee blocks and other tooling? our a tee slot atachment that bolts on ? too the squares avalble in your line
You have the square and a 45-45-90 triangle, is there any market for a 60-60-60, or a 30-60-90 triangle? Not saying I "need" them, but curious what the market suggests?
is there an Australian distributor yet mate ? lots of guys ask for them on the forums but just too expensive to ship, maybe bulk might get the shipping price down a bit.
I just bit the bullet and bought the fab pack. 850 AUD shipped here. Yikes But as they say time is money. Plus i can weld up on the ground in the field in driveways whereever I am.
I was thinking today, why not drilling and taping some holes on all the faces of the square to place the tabs ? To be able to use it the same way we use a speed square. We could push it against the edge of a sheet metal do have square, 45 and to have a face flush to the edge Or even to screw some powerful neodymium magnets on one side. It can be useful too 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t know if you see what i mean My English is not that good 😂
I’ve been trying for months to buy his squares but the site won’t ship to Australia. So frustrating! Take my money! Anyone know a good competitor square I can get here?
@@jennasalau7699 thats really weird. I bought mine yesterday. They also said you could email them in some previous comments down below if your from australia
Check out steel anodizing finish. Yes it is real. Tutorial on UA-cam. It was discovered by a NM university professor, but when he went to patent it, he.found someone else patented it over a hundred years ago. Similar to alum anodizing except a base not acid is used. You can also make colors on steel Similar to titanium.
@@ShainAndrews It's not worth buying. That's my point. Thought that was obvious. There are 67 countries where English is the official language yet only 1 or maybe 2 countries can buy these products for a reasonable amount of money.
@@droy333 except shipping is not a cost we can control coming from the states. Only viable option would be for someone to step in as a distributor in that country and import a bulk lot of squares in a shipping container and then resell from that lot in that country.
@@bcbloc02 not going to happen. There is one person that has imported some but they add the cost of the shipping on anyway. I don't get how I can get something shipped from China for $5 but the same thing from USA is $75.
@@droy333 it is because the postal union subsidizes China shipping because they are considered an “under developed country” This is why Trump wanted to get the Us out of the postal union because it is cutting our own business throats when shipping from my house to the next city over costs more than shipping from China because the price of the one subsidizes the other.
I would love to see a tour of the foundry where the mega square is made!!!
^^^
Yes please!
Hey Jason, are these made at the Spokane Steel Foundry in the Valley?
About 12 years ago I worked in their machine shop. We used to turn and mill charpies and impact samples from every batch of steel that went into various molds for shear and tensile strength.
Kevin, I agree, a tour of the foundry would be awesome!
Rriiiiight
Yes please
I bought the mega, monster and magic square when you first released them in the T&S form, then last year or so I bought the aluminum versions of the three. I tig welded all the T&S squares to minimize distortion. All six get used regularly when I doing fabrication work. Great products.
I don’t have the “fancy smancy” dragon skin version, but I still adore mine!
Great tools, great videos!
I haven't been a customer for your fabrication products yet, but I just want to let you know that these squares (and your collab with Alec Steele) are what brought me to your channel as a loyal subscriber.
Love the content. I hope you keep it going for a great deal longer!
This is the result of a product developed and made by someone who does the work! Not a pencil pusher! Bravo!!!
I love working with your tools. My first bed rack is functional but definitely not square. The one I build this weekend is twice the size, and 99% square, all built on the floor of my garage. These square helped me jiff things so they are level and square, so happy about this!
I finally had a good reason to use the tabs on my minion the other day and it was glorious! Thanks for all the great tool ideas and UA-cam content Jason! I used my mega square two days ago while installing a stainless railing and it was a pleasure to use as always.
Really great to see the humble beginnings of the first one and the essential nature of those first customers to help you move on and later offer them a better product
I have a few of these squares. When I was selling my home I had to weld up some 1” steel tubing doors that needed about 1/4” tolerance all the way around. I had already moved all my tables and had to ultimately weld these doors in the floor of my garage. Took my time, clamped everything tight to the square with the tabs as my indicated edge….first shot perfectly square (rectangle) doors. They were worth every dime right then and there.
Absolutely LOVE my squares. Thanks Jason!
They definitely keep getting better. Can't wait to see what is in store for the next generation
In 2016 I was making Porsche brush guards and made a right angle tool off the center line of a 1.5" tube. I added holes to let it be connected with threaded rod. or pinned together to be made wider. a year later I bought my first non homebuilt cnc with a vf4. I made a new more accurate set of my angle slide blocks but made the other side have big chamfers. I realized how helpful it was around the shop with welding on fixtures and added circles for clamping. those got turned into D"s and the third version ended up looking like your current square. A friend was visiting and picked one up and said "Hey i didnt know fireball made aluminum ones?!" He pulled up your product on the internet and it was so cool to see how similar they are, my border was thicker since I use them as heat sinks and I had less holes in the middle. Ive continued to make custom ones for all sorts of jobs but when friends comment on mine I always send them to your website to get their own. Just so cool to see how people across the country can have the same ideas. Cheers!
I would love to see a “v block” version for round tube, race car chassis work. I love your tools!
seems to me that the tabs would work very well for round tube
@@jwiereng the tabs work but the tube can roll away when clamped if not careful. Also a v block style would let you join tubes of different diameters. These are issues I run into. Again I love your squares, I use them daily.
You should draw some sketches and send them to Jason, I could totally see a fireball V block lineup tool in the future!
@@spevakdesignsI just made qty 12 of a different design in 6061 aluminum that are cnc'd and a vee groove machined around the perimeter. They're so nice for building frames and very strong.
I finally broke down and bought the mega, minion, and perfect squares. Wow, I wish I had these years ago. I also got the vise grips and really love them. Keep up the good work.
Frist saw these on Abom's channel and ordered a set right away. I love my mega squares; wish the tabs were around when I bought mine.
Add a V or radius groove to the faces for round stock to be used with your mantis pliers
Add a VEE (or radius) groove to the faces for round stock to work with the mantis pliers
Make one using the threaded hole on the one arm.
Well done mate. Shame that postage from USA is so high, excludes a heap of us here in Australia buying the set.
And Europe
@@jesperwall839 They have a european site and I think shipping is pretty reasonable. Says shipping to france is 6€ for the 200mm mega square.
Thank you for bringing the maximus clamps back! They need a video, one of the sleepers in your catalog.
Loved watching this, it's easy to see tools such as the mega square and presume that it was perfect from the first batch when in reality it could be further from the truth
I don’t do a whole lot of fabrication, but my machinist mind immediately wondered if a V channel could come in handy on the middle of the faces? Maybe one down the middle, and others crossing it width-wise to help join round tube together, and maybe even usefully add an additional 45 for square tube if for a reason they need to be joined oriented like a diamond to each other. Or it may just be redundant. Just thinking out loud, I don’t have one of these, so I may not be the best feedback source lol. I Love this channel and it’s good to see your product progressing and getting refined
Wow! I’m not a welder (I wanna be) and even I can see how brilliant you are. I love to watch your mind at work.
I have been watching your videos for quite a while and find them very interesting. I just watched another video (Steve Watkins at work) and the video was of him going through a building that was filled with all manor of machine tools it looked like the majority were brand new and the owner said they were way under retail and he loved to make deals. Hop this helps you out.
👍👍👍 great products...
I love these, have got a fair few now, nothing else meets there quality and usability. Hardly ever use a magnetic clamp now.
Unfortunately as a home gamer I can't justify the price of getting as many of these as I'd like even though they're super useful. Since I've started welding I can't think of a single project where I haven't used my 8" aluminum mega square at some stage.
Best way to develop your tools and your business is to listen to the consumer!!! WAY TO GO
My father built something similar to this back in the 60s/70s. He made a few for his most common angles that he would weld as it save him time having to make a new jig every few months
I’d love to see these sold at A-L compressed gases! I’d also love to order a few of them. Love supporting local!!!!!
Cool history. Thanks for thinking of us Floridians. 👍
You are a genius 👏, your ideas are fantastic!
It’s a genius product. It’s great for the home gamer who doesn’t have a huge welding table available. Really like my square. Thanks Jason!
Its first time to me watching you and yoi are very good and have great skills in teaching welding.... Can you make some videos for sheet metal welding fixtures specially cabinet which requires more accuracy
love to see those squares with 3/4 system on them to use with your 3/4 table
Thanks for the heads up on dragon scale. Couldn't find an explanation on the site.
Use these things a lot. They're amazing.
I believe a great idea is to make a magnetic coating .you can choose how "strong" it will be . it will help a lot in practical use but also it will protected from corosion . And you can give it a perfect finish for looks also and durability against scratches.
I use my mega square and minion squares almost everyday at a fab shop, from thing gauge steel to thick structural steel plates, makes keeping stuff square easy
Another awesme tool!
Love the content! Keep it up.
Have you considered a coated/treated chromoly version that is smaller and suitable for both welding and machining as a fixture plate? Sort of thing where you can move parts of the assembly as a single setup between additive and subtractive processes?
Base metal stays ferrous to be compatible with magnetic shims, have the holes, flats etc. Be certified to a given tolerance?
Especially for parts that have complex internal geometry that are best made as 2 parts then TIG’d/brazed together, would be pretty sweet.
(Thinking for parts where 3D metal printing/other additive processes don’t make sense, but you want single setup to avoid error accumulation.)
is dragon scale anti stick for industrial adhesives so that it could be applied to the fixture table when working with plastics or other hand assemblies that use glue
Where would one send feedback or suggestions on improvements for your tools? I emailed about adding a center V-groove to the magic square so it could be used to hold round tubing and was told that they weren't looking to modify the design at the time and I'd have to get any modifications done myself.
The problem is that it can be hard to order these products. I have two squares, but couldn’t get the coated versions. Then later, I tried to buy other squares, and couldn’t get them at all.
I bet I've sent at least five guys your direction for those squares. Every single guy thought they were a little gimmicky.... until they used them. Then they wished they purchased at least four like I told them to buy in the first place.
Can you show how you would weld large 2x5” steel tubing without a welding table? I had a hell of a time figuring that out.
As a home builder I'd be more than happy with the first version and could get away with accuracy not being perfect or like said just have it machined if needed.
I really want one of the weld together yourself ones! Just for fun! Pleaseee
You need to put that dragon scale on your welding tables
we using those squares for a while now, but there is one fundamental problem with the squares (aluminum version), the clamping surface and the material side face is not parallel, from center to edge has a slope toward both edges, while they machining the material side they should machine the clamping side so it is parallel. I would buy more but not until this issue is addressed.
Idea: a place to keep the tabs and thumbscrews when not in use. Like, threaded holes somewhere on the inside of the square
You can weld them on. Or make a little box for them and weld it to the inside. Or you can just put them in a drawer or toolbox like everyone else.
Those are the options.
I suppose you could mill in some slots on the side of bosses that kinda press fit, or add some magnets, but who knows how they work anyway.
Most just leave the tabs in a hole and turn it to the inside to avoid obstruction.
@@Fireball2ool no can do. Obviously, you guys need to do some R&D. Go ahead and retool the entire thing so there's a place for this guy to store the thumb screws. Don't forget to tell your wife that he'll be there at 5 o'clock and dinner better be on the table.
Kick ass square
My suggestion for improvement: make a version or attachment with a V groove in the surfaces so you can use it on pipe and round bar.
The tabs make a 90 vee.
@@Fireball2ool - but not on centre as tube clamps provide.
@@Fireball2ool . You have a great product . I too know the feeling of makeing a product . Mine is a fixture mill pistol slides and frames it was the second of it's kind that was commercial use and I made a hundred of them sold them you know but never could seem to get over that hurdle I mean everybody loved the product but just never could keep myself going on it but you know like me and you and a bunch of other people we were the end users so we don't want to try to make it make it very adaptive and parts easily and interchangeable and all that I'm not asking for a review or nothing I just I understand man going through the generations of it but if you do have some tips keeping on track on keeping your product alive I'd sure like to hear your . Thank you
So cool to see the evolution! We love the latest iteration. Maybe if the hole could be a tiny bit bigger to pass clamps with larger pads? Otherwise, perfect. Oh, wait. No. Smaller variants. Not as small as the minions. 😀
Hey? What happened to the spatter demonstration?
And they are quite expensive.
how about a tee slot runnig around the out side ? for vee blocks and other tooling? our a tee slot atachment that bolts on ? too the squares avalble in your line
You have the square and a 45-45-90 triangle, is there any market for a 60-60-60, or a 30-60-90 triangle? Not saying I "need" them, but curious what the market suggests?
is there an Australian distributor yet mate ? lots of guys ask for them on the forums but just too expensive to ship, maybe bulk might get the shipping price down a bit.
I just bit the bullet and bought the fab pack. 850 AUD shipped here. Yikes
But as they say time is money.
Plus i can weld up on the ground in the field in driveways whereever I am.
Hi I was wondering if you can tell me the name of the company that made the casting for you thanks
I've got 2 of those and 2 of the biggest squares you make. The large set are dragon skin.
What are the tolerances of the square. How SQUARE is your square?
an Aluminum version would be pretty cool
Perhaps a pentagon or hex assembly as such.
Never realized you are in spokane, can I buy these locally?
How soon until the 12 inch dragon scale are back in stock?
do you sell these in Australia?
I would buy a smaller one in a heartbeat...the ”mini square” 😂
Can i have plans to first version? Please to cut on laser
Maybe a trade in program so a guy can trade up to the newest version?
Great tool, what about an aluminium version to also work as a heatsink ?
Check Fireball's website - there are aluminum versions. :^)
Is this square in the video 8 or 12 inch? Looks like a good useful size for what I do.
Looks like the 12 inch version.
I was thinking today, why not drilling and taping some holes on all the faces of the square to place the tabs ?
To be able to use it the same way we use a speed square. We could push it against the edge of a sheet metal do have square, 45 and to have a face flush to the edge
Or even to screw some powerful neodymium magnets on one side. It can be useful too 🤷🏻♂️
I don’t know if you see what i mean
My English is not that good 😂
I have pins that do that
Next 20% off coupon code, I'm buying some!! Maybe even that cool chipping hammer/scraper!
I have a custom millwork and cabinet shop, I would buy those in aluminum
two thumbs up on the square but only one up for the price
Wasn’t one painted blue? I haven’t bought any yet but going to shortly.. was that an aluminum one?
Big fan
I love mine so much I bought one for a friend of mine. He loves it and said he prays for me every time he uses it.
Best investment I ever made!
Version 6.0 comes with a certified welder to do your job for you…..😂
I’ve been trying for months to buy his squares but the site won’t ship to Australia. So frustrating! Take my money! Anyone know a good competitor square I can get here?
I just bought the fab pack to australia. The site worked for me! 850aud.
@@djdanzy Im trying to buy the Magic Square, just tried again and it still says it wont ship to aus :(
@@jennasalau7699 thats really weird. I bought mine yesterday.
They also said you could email them in some previous comments down below if your from australia
How square are these? Can I use it as a precision measuring tool?
There's a tolerance for everything. The website has those numbers somewhere.
I want these so bad just have to convince myself to buy them. Make fabrication so much nicer
Is this a official channel? I'm confused. There's fireball tool the fireball 2ool
is there a reason you don't make an aluminum version ?
I do
@@Fireball2ool Oh i thought you would have show cased it here.
ill have to look in to ordering one !
Check out steel anodizing finish. Yes it is real. Tutorial on UA-cam. It was discovered by a NM university professor, but when he went to patent it, he.found someone else patented it over a hundred years ago. Similar to alum anodizing except a base not acid is used. You can also make colors on steel Similar to titanium.
Are they still cast in Spokane?
Yes
Literally states it at least three times in the video...
show whats it for?
Do you know if anyone is importing them t Australia
Love the idea but it'll cosy me couple of hundred in shipping
Why not sell the stl so we can 3d print them
How about adding magnets
Dragon Scale: DLC?
3 dimensional corner square coming?
Only costs twice as much as the tool to ship to Australia.
What's your point?
@@ShainAndrews It's not worth buying. That's my point. Thought that was obvious. There are 67 countries where English is the official language yet only 1 or maybe 2 countries can buy these products for a reasonable amount of money.
@@droy333 except shipping is not a cost we can control coming from the states. Only viable option would be for someone to step in as a distributor in that country and import a bulk lot of squares in a shipping container and then resell from that lot in that country.
@@bcbloc02 not going to happen. There is one person that has imported some but they add the cost of the shipping on anyway. I don't get how I can get something shipped from China for $5 but the same thing from USA is $75.
@@droy333 it is because the postal union subsidizes China shipping because they are considered an “under developed country” This is why Trump wanted to get the Us out of the postal union because it is cutting our own business throats when shipping from my house to the next city over costs more than shipping from China because the price of the one subsidizes the other.
Titanium nitride coating! Then it would look like a gold casting.
Make it out of copper or bronze. Then no need for coating
👍
Probably from ABOM
Adam Booth
more 45 than square
make tabs magnetic
I would pay extra for a "MAGA" square... 🙂
Me too !! More than ever !