It sometimes seems that famous or influential people are often in positions of power or influence precisely BECAUSE they have some kind of dark personality trait - some need to prove themselves or achieve glory. You can count on one hand the number of celebrities whose character seems unimpeachable - Keanu, Snoop Dogg, that's pretty much it haha. So you've touched on a really interesting contradiction in our culture - we often elevate the worst people. Maybe we're only interested in heroes if they're flawed. Thanks for making this video.
Yeah, it's an interesting kind of dynamic. I also think that public notoriety can sometimes bring out those more toxic traits as well. So even if you start out with good intentions, you can take love and support from fans as evidence that your actions are justified even when there's legitimate criticism.
That was such an interesting video! I'd love for you to cover the celebrity side (musicians, writers, etc) of the topic too in another video. On the social movement/advocacy front, I've seen toxic behaviors in non-profits being basically covered up or volunteers exposed to such behaviors being told not to say anything about it or just not daring to speak up because it would "hurt the cause", which was a legitimate concern (but still terrible when it was used to keep people silent). I don't have anything smart or useful to say about it, I'm afraid ^^' I've just been struggling with that dilemma. There is also something even more shocking when people who publicly fight for a good cause also behave in terrible ways on other fronts - it's hard to reconcile, even if you acknowledge that everyone is flawed - there just are different levels of flawed! Don't meet your heroes, they say...
Yeah, absolutely agree with everything you've said. I think it's really hard when someone's job or image is associated with something morally good when they themselves are not are not exemplars of those or other related morals. I think to some degree people hate hypocrites more than unapologetically bad people. The lie or the perception of a lie adds insult to injury especially when it feels like admiring that person was part of your own identity.
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It sometimes seems that famous or influential people are often in positions of power or influence precisely BECAUSE they have some kind of dark personality trait - some need to prove themselves or achieve glory. You can count on one hand the number of celebrities whose character seems unimpeachable - Keanu, Snoop Dogg, that's pretty much it haha. So you've touched on a really interesting contradiction in our culture - we often elevate the worst people. Maybe we're only interested in heroes if they're flawed. Thanks for making this video.
Yeah, it's an interesting kind of dynamic. I also think that public notoriety can sometimes bring out those more toxic traits as well. So even if you start out with good intentions, you can take love and support from fans as evidence that your actions are justified even when there's legitimate criticism.
That was such an interesting video! I'd love for you to cover the celebrity side (musicians, writers, etc) of the topic too in another video. On the social movement/advocacy front, I've seen toxic behaviors in non-profits being basically covered up or volunteers exposed to such behaviors being told not to say anything about it or just not daring to speak up because it would "hurt the cause", which was a legitimate concern (but still terrible when it was used to keep people silent). I don't have anything smart or useful to say about it, I'm afraid ^^' I've just been struggling with that dilemma. There is also something even more shocking when people who publicly fight for a good cause also behave in terrible ways on other fronts - it's hard to reconcile, even if you acknowledge that everyone is flawed - there just are different levels of flawed! Don't meet your heroes, they say...
Yeah, absolutely agree with everything you've said. I think it's really hard when someone's job or image is associated with something morally good when they themselves are not are not exemplars of those or other related morals.
I think to some degree people hate hypocrites more than unapologetically bad people. The lie or the perception of a lie adds insult to injury especially when it feels like admiring that person was part of your own identity.