Fun fact for Episode 14: Steve Whitmire (The puppeteer of Kermit on this show) was AGAINST the idea of Kermit lying to Robin saying, "I don’t think Kermit would lie to him, I think that as Robin came to Kermit, he would say ‘things happen, people go their separate ways, but that doesn’t mean we don’t care about you.’ Kermit is too compassionate to lie to him to spare his feelings.” This just goes to show, Whitmire truly cared about his mentor and friend Jim and his legacy, but he was unfortunately fired by his friend's children for being 'difficult to work with'.
@AthenaPOfficial Trust me, when I first heard of this from a video Some Boi Online made about Kermit's voice being off, I was immediately feeling sad for Steve because it seemed like he truly cared about Jim's legacy and Jim's own children didn't see that and fired Steve for trying to protect their dad's legacy.
I think it’s a bit disingenuous to call Jim Henson’s own children “his friend’s children”, the Henson Family themselves chose Steve in the early 90s to take over the role of Kermit after Jim’s passing, Steve was hired by their mother Jane Henson herself in the middle of the Muppet show, and it should be the families decision on whether or not to have him continue the role, one the main decisions makers in this case would be Brian Henson, who is the head at Jim Henson Productions and the creature shop, who also directed several Muppet movies including the first one after Jim’s passing, Brian worked with Steve for literal decades, regardless, we weren’t on set, a firing such as this would not just happen out of the blue, especially after playing the character for nearly 30 years, not to mention being a OG Muppet Show Alumni, regardless of Steve’s knowledge or love of the character, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t “difficult to work” with later on or during his time as a Muppet performer, another person who would’ve been apart of the decision making is Bill Barretta, who is the current creative leader at Muppets Studios, Bill took over as Rowlf after Jim, and created several iconic Muppet Characters such as Pepe the Prawn and Johnny Fiama (with Brian playing Sal Minella), Bill also worked with Steve for almost 3 decades, I don’t think a firing like this would have happened if he wasn’t being actually difficult to work with
@@AthenaPOfficial this is why we all want Steve back as the voice of Kermit,he knew how important Kermit as a character was to his mentor and friend.. That’s why he was chosen to play Kermit after Jim died in the first place.. Really sad to know that jim’s own children ended up disrespecting his legacy
The first Muppet movie: Kermit running away from a greedy salesman who wants to use him for commercials for his fried frogs legs, and potentially killing him Kermit in this show: "omg ew ur family were killed for food?? GROOOOOSSSSSUHH" Imma kick new Kermit's ass I STG??? I hate the way people write him to be a misogynist nowadays, like have you ever seen his Ted talk? Half of it is just shitting on miss piggy, I'll throw hands!!! New Kermit you better square TF up!!!!
I agree that Kermit is severely out of character ever since Muppets Most Wanted, and he has been forced to say some very unpleasant things. That said, Kermit and Miss Piggy talking trash about each other in PR stuff has been a staple from the very beginning of their relationship. Disney just sucks at writing for them.
Trust me, Steve Whitmire (Kermit's puppeteer since Jim Henson's death in 1990) did NOT like his characterization in the show. Steve unfortunately was fired for protecting the values of Jim that he kept to heart since March of 1978 joining on the Alice Cooper episode of The Muppet Show.
Seriously. The Kermit I know is kind, and anxious, and snarky and can get angry, but is a sweet boy!! I don’t know who this man is but he is not Kermit!!!
At this point is more a matter of when. Although of you want a teaser she may or may not be featuring a certain CFO in the next powerful characters video
To be fair the finale had them showing they were most likely going to get back together in season 2 or even Miss Piggy going on to enjoy being single and being a strong ass queen.
Thank you SO MUCH!! Honestly I wasn’t even planning on making a song for this video but after rewatching the series all the lyrics popped into my head in about a minute. I was possessed by Miss piggy 🐷🤣
Miss Piggy’s friendship with Uncle Deadly was my favorite part (besides that one scene). It was nice to see her have a friend who cares about her and takes her seriously instead of always thinking she was dramatic (which she was at times but she’s a queen so)
The fact that they broke them up literally as a publicity stunt only for that show to completely flop and they STILL haven’t gotten them back together will literally always make me angry.
THIS 😭 I just wish someone in charge of the Muppets would care about them as much as Jim and his team did...I was so excited for this series, it had so much potential, why did it flop? WHY...Just imagine, a second season where they not only get back together as always: since they really want to have a healthier relationship, they work on their individual traumas and their problems as a couple by attending couples therapy to avoid making the same old mistakes... ahhhhh It would be perfect😭💔
I love how you always do your hair, makeup, outfits and costumes based on the topics you're talking about. Top-tier dedication. It's a good day when Athena posts :D
Because a lot of people nowadays watched The Muppet’s for the first time before their first romantic relationship I feel like a lot of people remember why Miss Piggy is toxic but but forget questionable stuff Kermit’s done and ways he’s toxic in the relationship because he tends to put on a “poor me, putting up with you” routine and younger people have trouble distinguishing playing up being the victim and actually being the victim. It muddies the waters that sometimes he genuinely is the victim of her unreasonable demand but other times he placates her without resolving the underlying issues which furthers there dysfunction.
The Muppet show was originally created for adults. It aired on late night television and featured a ton of adult humor. I would say having the sitcom be pg13 is a return to form/expansion on that idea. Although the way its written is definetly not a return to form.
As a life-long Miss Piggy apologist, I love this video so much! Also, not gonna lie, I get so happy every time Athena makes a Dethklok reference. If she ever did a video on them, it'd be brutal.
Super excited to watch a video on one of the most underrated character arcs ever. Really, Muppet character arcs are so underrated. I wish I had the skill to make one on Gobo's development in the new season of Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock. He really does get so stressed from the world falling apart that he sings a whole song ("Push It Down, Fraggle Up") about ignoring and bottling up his emotions that implores every other Fraggle in the Rock to do the same.
@kylebrovlovski it'd have to be several parts long, there's so much. ESPECIALLY with this new season which had some pretty big lore reveals (for the least spoiler-y, apparently Fraggles used to eat Doozers 😬)
The plugging of the villain ship video is a new staple of this channel Edit, the third best thing possible just happened to me: 1. Meet Meryl Streep. 2. Have a great group of family and friends and a solid career that you enjoy and get paid well for. 3. Have your comment get a heart from Athena P.
Finally a video about our queen! Miss Piggy is an icon and I love her so much! I always avoided the ABC Muppets due to the bad reputation but a few weeks ago I decided to give it a try and I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Even with Kermit’s infrequent but very unpleasant moments of mischaracterization, the show is still really funny and enjoyable. The bit in the first episode with Fozzie talking about his dating profile took me so off guard and it is perfect. Something a lot of people miss is just how excellent Steve Whitmire’s performance is as Kermit. The show’s format required a very expressive Kermit and Steve pulled it off masterfully. It’s one of my favorite Muppet performances and it’s severely under appreciated. All in all, really fun show, but by no means a perfect one. I’d love to see a full lore deep dive for the show. (aHem) P.S. An interesting thing to note is that even though we know Kermit would never cheat, Jim Henson, for whom Kermit was of course a frog stand in, actually did cheat on his wife Jane on multiple occasions. Even so, Jim and Jane remained good friends until his death. P.P.S. I have a strong suspicion that the part of Pizza (the branding guru) was written specifically for Aziz Ansari. I mean Pizza is literally just a successful Tom Haverford.
@@AthenaPOfficial If you are ever interested in seeing the full story of Jim Henson and The Muppets there’s an excellent documentary series by Defunctland here on UA-cam. It’s multiple hours long though
@@AthenaPOfficialit’s why he always travelled. The very last time he was with his wife was due to getting cancer I believe, he stayed with her but died within like three days or something after an interview? It’s wild. He did some good things for the world but man like most humans we’re mortal and do some bad things too. Cheating being the worst thing he did.
The only good thing to come out since is muppets muppets most wanted and electric mayhem in most of the stuff the muppets just are not the muppets there friends family the weirdos who had on one but halo and sacrificed for each other and would do agen in a hart beet they love all the bad parts of each others and manly want to serpost each other in any thing they do in the end of muppets most wanted kanstanteen being fake Kermit saying he will marry Mrs pigging the stop the muppets being a groop they just said he’s always been there for us so we will seaport his idea and what he wants for him he would do the same for us (Sorry for info dumping I really love the muppet lore it seem to be a bit of a dead fandom ❤❤❤)
It especially has my curiosity that in one episode Gonzo apparently has human grandparents so I guess he might he adopted? Some people and I were even joking during the whole Gonzorella moral panic BS that he might have two moms or dads
I personally think miss piggy and kermit work best when kermit is too humble and piggy is too egotistical. Like Kermit is nice, he’s down to earth, he’s your friend, but dude is way too soft and introverted to survive hollywood. Miss Piggy KNOWS how to be a star, she is a force of nature that won’t let ANYONE mess with her Kermie,much less herself, but Kermit helps pull her down to Earth so she’s actually friends with the people she works with, not just using them as props in her career. Like the dynamic isn’t SUPER healthy but you get why they benefit each other as performers and people.
Why does this show sound actually awesome. Cancelled unfairly!!! Bring it back, please!!!!! Also that song at the end truly made me emotional, Miss Piggy would cry to this. Alone.
I WANT A SEASON 2 SO BAD! THAT CLIFFHANGER WAS ILLEGAL!! Also thanks so much for enjoying the song! Many comments ago someone told me I should “stop making songs forever” 😅 and I was never going to listen to that already BUT I APPRECIATE THE REASSURANCE! 🤌 I feel less crazy now
The 2015 series did have its moments, both good and bad. While it did give the Muppets a fresh new start to be back on TV again, the way it was executed was kinda….well…it could’ve been handled a little better. But I still feel like while the Kermit/Piggy Breakup could’ve been expanded upon and would’ve fleshed out the characters more than they’ve ever been, it was initially created for publicity and press. It just made these characters unlikeable to see them in this way. Nothing against the show, or the characterizations that the show runners had in mind, but I feel like some of the charm that Jim Henson and his original crew made recognizable was missing. The Muppets did exist in the real world, but they also were part of their own world too. And no, that doesn’t mean they always treat each other with respect. In fact, sometimes they can’t stand each other. But it is during some tough times, where they are even at their lowest, that they always find a way to unite and make things work again. It’s through the wrong that they make things right. It’s taking what they got, and flying with it. This is something that even Disney needs to understand. We love these characters for being real with us, but finding enough wittiness and nuttiness to make us laugh. And there absolutely should be a balance. And no, I’m not saying how Jim would want it, but I’m more saying on how we need it. If there’s one thing that is true, it’s that these characters will still be around, ready to pop up anywhere at anytime, and that’s what I love about the Muppets. They still find ways.
Miss Piggy is an icon and this show, crazy as it was, was fun to watch and remember the muppets did stuff. Kermit was so mean that he was unrecognizable! If they ever do something like this again, hopefully they do Kermit in a way he is compassionate but flawed compassionate.
If you want a new deep Lore idea, did you ever read the magic Tree House series as a kid? It's one of my favourites, but looking back on it now, some of the stuff Jack and Annie were doing was not something two under 10s should have been doing. They were on the Titanic in one book and had to deal with a tidal wave in another. So good, but also so crazy.
I really loved ABC’s the muppets and it drives me crazy how the brand’s stuck in limbo now because of the cancellation of Muppets Mayhem. Like, it’s either Muppets Now or nothing, apparently, and I *HATE IT.*
THIS or it’s flanderized muppets with no life redoing the same stupid reboots Disney ALREADY did!! The haunted mansion one with the muppets was just depressing as it was just Disney going “OH REMMEBER REMEMBER THIS ONE IP YEAH YEAH HERES OUR REBOOT WERE RELEASING RHIS YEAR YOU CAN FORGET MUPPETS AGAIN” it’s just nostalgia bait now 😭
4:22 I've never seen this series, but I would also like to point out that bunsun says, "If it happens outside of work, we don't owe them an explanation." This to me not only implies them being involved but also implies that they have maby hooked up during work hours in the past. Sooo the theory of them not being vanilla has more grounds than just the tazer.
Seeing people talk about this show again makes me so happy, I definitely wish this series got another season but it super clear why it never did, as a Muppet fan it’s really hard when you don’t really get much these days when compared to other Disney Properties, and when we do it’s not really marketed, ending with less Muppets stuff being made dude to a declining viewership (it’s kinda in a loop), in turn no one really talks about them, so thank you for reigniting my Muppet Hyperfixation for today (PS. Give Muppet Mayhem a watch if you want genuinely crazy Muppet Lore)
I thought I was the only one who knew about this show existing. I only remember the episode where Fozzie Bear was stealing a candy dish because of his addiction to candy, or maybe it was him just wanting the candy dish because it looked pretty.
@@AthenaPOfficial OMG, How was I that accurate when I only saw this episode 💀. Also just an idea, you should do a deep dive of the other characters on ABC's Muppets 😃
HI! AVID MUPPET ENJOYER (one of my most prevalant hyperfixations. wrote several essays about it in college, going to do puppetry as a career)! in my humble opinion, kermit and piggy were never the iconic couple they were portrayed as. in muppets canon, they are actors. in the muppet show and other things where they arent playing roles, their love is very one sided, and at times felt performative. kemit never really wanted a relationship with her (or anyone really until recent medias, which is why i headcanon aroace kermit but thats not canon anymore), but he never wanted to be too upfront about it, for the sake of piggy AND their fans. piggy was being a relatable queen who loves a good delulu moment (me too girl). kermit didnt take the breakup seriously bcz he never took the RELATIONSHIP seriously. going forward, i hope they keep piggy in her self love era, she deserves it. however, they slandered kermit. he used to just be an anxious stage manager trying to corral goofy performers, now hes just mean. jim would be disappointed. also speaking about jim, it was disney purchasing the muppets that killed him! he was so stressed by it that it caused toxic shock syndrome! ALSO PLEASE MUPPETS LORE IM BEGGING!! EVEN IF ITS THE MOVIES OR JUST THE MUPPET SHOW, PLEASE SOMETHING!!
I JUST started going down a muppet fixation rabbit hole and I’m in the middle of this show. Athena with impeccable timing as always (I had no idea this video was coming out)
The muppets is one of those IP’s that was a staple in my children AS WELL as my adulthood. The humor in those movies shaped me into the person I am today ( as weird as that sounds. ) Thank you muppets for making me laugh at almost everything parody 😭
YIPPEEEE :))) obligatory “I was here at 8 minutes posted” comment, SO EXCITED TODAYS LOOK IS INCREDIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOURE SLAYING THE SOMG WAS SO GOOD AND SO BEAUTIFUL OH MY GOD!!!! 10/10 LORE LITE EPISODE THANK YOU ATHENA
As someone who didn't grow up with the muppets (aka not from the US) I am surprisingly VERY upset at how they absolutely destroyed Kermit's character on this show. I can actually relate to having a malewife fave turned into a misogynistic asshole who breaks up with his girl for no reason, so I'm pouring one out for the kermit fans
13:27 I may be *reaching* (and dumb lol) buttt you could look at Kermits "hesitation" in the elevator with the actress as him considering his options and possibly forgetting he wasn't with Ms. Piggy anymore, but with his new girlfriend. Basically showing how his brain will always go back to his mindset he was in with Ms. Piggy and mentally and emotionally "disregard" his current partner for his ex
I now have a cannon in my head where Athena was adopted into Miss piggy family as a baby. This way the two grew up as sisters and Athena and miss piggy grew up as sister so when there parents were slaughtere Miss piggy took the responsibility to raid her little sister Athena who was 8 years old at the time. Around that time miss piggy became a star and as we can see very rich so raising and taking care of Athena needs were manageable for her. “ I am pretty great with kids.” She says because she raised Athena who she can relax and in a way be herself, she can wear anything knowing Athena won’t judge her. Miss piggy shopping with child Athena while holding her hand it too cute.
Well, how refreshing. This is different from my normal stream of content. I usually watch content from what I would call the "uncle" type of personality. This gives of older sister energy. Nice.
So gonna start by saying, I've been surrounded by the muppets since before I could walk and growing up during a time where kids my age preferred Suite Life and Drake. I was on The Muppet Show and Alice Cooper. I personally hated the ABC Muppet series, because I know that Jim would have hated how selfish Kermit had been made out to be. That being said, the song brought a tear to my eye and I think it's a perfect representation of the Muppets as a whole. I'm glad that you talked about the muppets, even if it was just for a lore lite. I wish they could come back as cheesy, over the top, innovative and without fear of being weird like they once were, but it seems like that died when Brian Henson stopped taking such an active role, though I am hopeful for the Electric Mayhem movie. Thanks again Athena you made my heart happy
From my understanding, a major reason why Steve Whitmire doesn't play Kermit anymore is because he disagreed with the way Kermit was characterized in this show (though the exact details on what happened are fuzzy and change depending on who's telling the story).
NO BECAUSE I LAUGHED SO HARD AT 8:26 - BECAUSE as soon as I saw, you were covering the Muppets by immediately connected to how your energy matched Miss Piggy!!!!! Your theatrics and energy are perfectly Synced! I laugh along to your jokes all the time.
I love the sponsor for the video, miss piggy would approve. I was already obsessed with the print of it before I got a good look at it, so beautiful! You are killing it
*please do lore lites of all the muppets, that would be so awesome and iconic* Edit: Also, it's very canon within the Muppets universe that all the Muppets are just casually *super fucking old* and they just haven't aged for some reason (although the original idea for The Muppet Movie was that they *had* visibly aged, and that some of them had actually *died,* but that was scrapped for being too depressing). All the jokes about how much younger Denise is than Kermit have a *lot* to stand on, mainly because it's very likely that she is indeed much younger than the og cast. However, she is still an adult and allowed to date whoever she wants. She was right to leave Kermit, tho, he's kind of a shit boyfriend, and I'm glad that there wasn't any canon confirmation that Kermit and Piggy got back together, those two still need time to figure themselves out before trying to get in a relationship with *anyone* again.
4:58 I just randomly recalled this when it comes to fictional characters that don't really have "traditional" ageing like Pokemon or Zora and Gorons from the legend of zelda series. I personally look at mental age when those types of characters are paired together if one acts like a child and the other acts like an adult I am not ok with it. However if both act as adults on a mental level its fine.
I'm really grateful for this video because parts of this show really rubbed me the wrong way in this very subtle and granular way, but I did not have the media literacy to really appreciate just how toxic these awful sitcom tropes were at the time this was airing so I feel pretty vindicated for not just being too sensitive with this stuff... Also, SHEESH that final song goes so hard... those lyrics really stuck with me. "Do i exist for you to consume?" completely rewrote my entire perception on Miss Piggy. This is some masterful character analysis
can i just say ive seen so many parade sponsorships but ive been so iffy about it but then i saw yours and we have the same body type and youve inspired me to maybe…give it a try, tysm
All she did was serve, trauma dump about her family being served, and serve some more, as we all do
This comment has me DEAD (like her family 😭)
This rosted everyone else (like her family)
Bee and PuppyCat icon 💛
Fun fact for Episode 14: Steve Whitmire (The puppeteer of Kermit on this show) was AGAINST the idea of Kermit lying to Robin saying, "I don’t think Kermit would lie to him, I think that as Robin came to Kermit, he would say ‘things happen, people go their separate ways, but that doesn’t mean we don’t care about you.’ Kermit is too compassionate to lie to him to spare his feelings.” This just goes to show, Whitmire truly cared about his mentor and friend Jim and his legacy, but he was unfortunately fired by his friend's children for being 'difficult to work with'.
WOAHHHH I had no idea this is so sad. Steve understood Kermit’s heart
@AthenaPOfficial Trust me, when I first heard of this from a video Some Boi Online made about Kermit's voice being off, I was immediately feeling sad for Steve because it seemed like he truly cared about Jim's legacy and Jim's own children didn't see that and fired Steve for trying to protect their dad's legacy.
I think it’s a bit disingenuous to call Jim Henson’s own children “his friend’s children”, the Henson Family themselves chose Steve in the early 90s to take over the role of Kermit after Jim’s passing, Steve was hired by their mother Jane Henson herself in the middle of the Muppet show, and it should be the families decision on whether or not to have him continue the role, one the main decisions makers in this case would be Brian Henson, who is the head at Jim Henson Productions and the creature shop, who also directed several Muppet movies including the first one after Jim’s passing, Brian worked with Steve for literal decades, regardless, we weren’t on set, a firing such as this would not just happen out of the blue, especially after playing the character for nearly 30 years, not to mention being a OG Muppet Show Alumni, regardless of Steve’s knowledge or love of the character, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t “difficult to work” with later on or during his time as a Muppet performer, another person who would’ve been apart of the decision making is Bill Barretta, who is the current creative leader at Muppets Studios, Bill took over as Rowlf after Jim, and created several iconic Muppet Characters such as Pepe the Prawn and Johnny Fiama (with Brian playing Sal Minella), Bill also worked with Steve for almost 3 decades, I don’t think a firing like this would have happened if he wasn’t being actually difficult to work with
@@AthenaPOfficial this is why we all want Steve back as the voice of Kermit,he knew how important Kermit as a character was to his mentor and friend.. That’s why he was chosen to play Kermit after Jim died in the first place.. Really sad to know that jim’s own children ended up disrespecting his legacy
@@vincentwhitehead its his kids???
Miss Piggy will forever be an amazing muppet character. Don’t get on her bad side or else you’ll meet her famous karate chop
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIYAH!!!!!!!!
Her porkchop, if you will
HANDS DOWN, PERIOD!
You mean PORK chop
What am i doing 😔🔫
She’s a modern woman and not afraid to be curvy
The first Muppet movie: Kermit running away from a greedy salesman who wants to use him for commercials for his fried frogs legs, and potentially killing him
Kermit in this show: "omg ew ur family were killed for food?? GROOOOOSSSSSUHH"
Imma kick new Kermit's ass I STG??? I hate the way people write him to be a misogynist nowadays, like have you ever seen his Ted talk? Half of it is just shitting on miss piggy, I'll throw hands!!! New Kermit you better square TF up!!!!
I agree that Kermit is severely out of character ever since Muppets Most Wanted, and he has been forced to say some very unpleasant things. That said, Kermit and Miss Piggy talking trash about each other in PR stuff has been a staple from the very beginning of their relationship. Disney just sucks at writing for them.
@@MatecaCorp that's so fair I'm just so tired of boomer Kermit, just as a concept
@@bee_but_to_the_left Oh I don't disagree with you there. It's very dated and it doesn't align with the positive vibes The Muppets otherwise exude
Trust me, Steve Whitmire (Kermit's puppeteer since Jim Henson's death in 1990) did NOT like his characterization in the show. Steve unfortunately was fired for protecting the values of Jim that he kept to heart since March of 1978 joining on the Alice Cooper episode of The Muppet Show.
Kermit has always been a little mean but it was usually when he was at his limit.
ABC Kermit was characterized so mean 😭 Kermit can get angry but the frog ik would NEVER-
sidenote that corset top is literally SO cute
Wowza I’m blushing
Thank you Parade!!
I think they were trying to capitalize on the kermit tea meme, which had pretty mean applications let’s be honest here.
The kermit memes were in like 2019-2020 since alot of kermit memes are from this show@@AiLoveAidoru
Seriously. The Kermit I know is kind, and anxious, and snarky and can get angry, but is a sweet boy!! I don’t know who this man is but he is not Kermit!!!
actually he gets angry at cookie monster in sesame street at times
Miss piggy of all characters having a 'family was murdered' backstory was something I never expected and it was BRUTAL. Damn
At this point is more a matter of when. Although of you want a teaser she may or may not be featuring a certain CFO in the next powerful characters video
And this, friends, is the epitome of 'Studios don't like healthy romance to continue'.
When none of the people in charge of a project have been in stable relationships it tends to bleed into the final product
To be fair the finale had them showing they were most likely going to get back together in season 2 or even Miss Piggy going on to enjoy being single and being a strong ass queen.
their romance was NEVER healthy
@@Ar_cadez
Relatively.
okay but jokes aside the line in the song
"i only exist when people show me/i only exist when people know me"
HITS SO HARD FOR MISS PIGGY
Thank you SO MUCH!! Honestly I wasn’t even planning on making a song for this video but after rewatching the series all the lyrics popped into my head in about a minute. I was possessed by Miss piggy 🐷🤣
@@AthenaPOfficial you really be talented queen
“She didn’t die I just love remembering her”
What a perfect way to end the video.
Miss Piggy’s friendship with Uncle Deadly was my favorite part (besides that one scene). It was nice to see her have a friend who cares about her and takes her seriously instead of always thinking she was dramatic (which she was at times but she’s a queen so)
8:25.
Athena really went "born to be Miss Piggy, forced to be Fozzie Bear."
"there are two types of cannon- head cannon i love and confirmed cannon i hate."
-ghandi after learning about the leg thing
Miss Piggy and Kermit break up devasted me so much, to the point I was inconsolable for days after knowing it
The fact that they broke them up literally as a publicity stunt only for that show to completely flop and they STILL haven’t gotten them back together will literally always make me angry.
So miss piggy is single now?
@@triggeredxiaomi13 I just realized I have a shot. Complaints rescinded.
@@raingilkes3502I was gonna judge you but I have a crush on Ramon lmao, carry on!
THIS 😭 I just wish someone in charge of the Muppets would care about them as much as Jim and his team did...I was so excited for this series, it had so much potential, why did it flop? WHY...Just imagine, a second season where they not only get back together as always: since they really want to have a healthier relationship, they work on their individual traumas and their problems as a couple by attending couples therapy to avoid making the same old mistakes... ahhhhh It would be perfect😭💔
"if it happens outside of work we don't owe them an explanation" absolutely killed me 🤣🤣🤣
Miss Piggy and Kermit breaking up was my One Direction breaking up level devastation
SAME
I felt like my parents were getting divorced
Their relationship was less than healthy due to the double standard, so I don't mind it
To be fair, Kermit probably got Piggy the calzone for the sake of the other passengers. Miss. Piggy+Hanger=DEATH.
I watched the sitcom when i was nine not even realizing any of the plot i legit thought it was like a dream i had or something
The puppet attacking the camera during the song at the end made me cackle
I was WHEEZING laughing throughout filming
I love how you always do your hair, makeup, outfits and costumes based on the topics you're talking about. Top-tier dedication. It's a good day when Athena posts :D
Every time Uncle Deadly showed up, all I could think about was how cool he looked. Like how have I never seen him before, that design is sick.
Because a lot of people nowadays watched The Muppet’s for the first time before their first romantic relationship I feel like a lot of people remember why Miss Piggy is toxic but but forget questionable stuff Kermit’s done and ways he’s toxic in the relationship because he tends to put on a “poor me, putting up with you” routine and younger people have trouble distinguishing playing up being the victim and actually being the victim. It muddies the waters that sometimes he genuinely is the victim of her unreasonable demand but other times he placates her without resolving the underlying issues which furthers there dysfunction.
The Muppet show was originally created for adults. It aired on late night television and featured a ton of adult humor. I would say having the sitcom be pg13 is a return to form/expansion on that idea.
Although the way its written is definetly not a return to form.
Facts! It felt very natural for them to
This is very true. It's more family friendly now then it should be. It doesn't feel like the muppets anymore.
As a life-long Miss Piggy apologist, I love this video so much! Also, not gonna lie, I get so happy every time Athena makes a Dethklok reference. If she ever did a video on them, it'd be brutal.
[image of werewolf ripping shirt off] MISS PIGGY AND KERMIT ARE HAPPILY IN LOVE IN MY HEART
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you should watch a Muppet Christmas Carol
Super excited to watch a video on one of the most underrated character arcs ever. Really, Muppet character arcs are so underrated. I wish I had the skill to make one on Gobo's development in the new season of Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock. He really does get so stressed from the world falling apart that he sings a whole song ("Push It Down, Fraggle Up") about ignoring and bottling up his emotions that implores every other Fraggle in the Rock to do the same.
Facts thoooo
@kylebrovlovski it'd have to be several parts long, there's so much. ESPECIALLY with this new season which had some pretty big lore reveals (for the least spoiler-y, apparently Fraggles used to eat Doozers 😬)
FRAGGLE ROCK MENTION‼️‼️‼️
@@maddajoy1980 mate I am ALL FRAGGLE ROCK MENTION ALL THE TIME
"I guess I need to put my pants back on" best line in any Athena video
"Pig on pig violence :(" gurl 😭💀
I always love to think about the Muppets as actual celebrities in our world.
The plugging of the villain ship video is a new staple of this channel
Edit, the third best thing possible just happened to me:
1. Meet Meryl Streep.
2. Have a great group of family and friends and a solid career that you enjoy and get paid well for.
3. Have your comment get a heart from Athena P.
I’m sorry to break it to you but editing your comments removes the heart.
@@Riverr5 noooooooooo, I guess I’ll just go back to the shadows of despair 😔
YOU MET MERYL STREEP???
@@goofy_goober-dk5bc No, sadly I have only completely 3 and half of 2.
@@bobert8685 well it’s good that you either have a group of family and friends you love or have a job you genuinely enjoy.
Finally a video about our queen! Miss Piggy is an icon and I love her so much!
I always avoided the ABC Muppets due to the bad reputation but a few weeks ago I decided to give it a try and I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Even with Kermit’s infrequent but very unpleasant moments of mischaracterization, the show is still really funny and enjoyable. The bit in the first episode with Fozzie talking about his dating profile took me so off guard and it is perfect.
Something a lot of people miss is just how excellent Steve Whitmire’s performance is as Kermit. The show’s format required a very expressive Kermit and Steve pulled it off masterfully. It’s one of my favorite Muppet performances and it’s severely under appreciated.
All in all, really fun show, but by no means a perfect one. I’d love to see a full lore deep dive for the show. (aHem)
P.S. An interesting thing to note is that even though we know Kermit would never cheat, Jim Henson, for whom Kermit was of course a frog stand in, actually did cheat on his wife Jane on multiple occasions. Even so, Jim and Jane remained good friends until his death.
P.P.S. I have a strong suspicion that the part of Pizza (the branding guru) was written specifically for Aziz Ansari. I mean Pizza is literally just a successful Tom Haverford.
I didn’t know Jim Henson cheated on his wife damn ☹️
@@AthenaPOfficial If you are ever interested in seeing the full story of Jim Henson and The Muppets there’s an excellent documentary series by Defunctland here on UA-cam. It’s multiple hours long though
LOVE defunctland! Haven’t watched that video yet though! Thanks so much for the recommendation
My favorite part with Fozzie is him being on the dating app and finding out about “Bears” in the dating scene it’s so out of pocket 😭
@@AthenaPOfficialit’s why he always travelled. The very last time he was with his wife was due to getting cancer I believe, he stayed with her but died within like three days or something after an interview? It’s wild. He did some good things for the world but man like most humans we’re mortal and do some bad things too. Cheating being the worst thing he did.
Muppets after Whitemire left are no longer Muppets for me, simple as. The DIsney muppet flanderized characters so much its unreal.
The only good thing to come out since is muppets muppets most wanted and electric mayhem in most of the stuff the muppets just are not the muppets there friends family the weirdos who had on one but halo and sacrificed for each other and would do agen in a hart beet they love all the bad parts of each others and manly want to serpost each other in any thing they do in the end of muppets most wanted kanstanteen being fake Kermit saying he will marry Mrs pigging the stop the muppets being a groop they just said he’s always been there for us so we will seaport his idea and what he wants for him he would do the same for us
(Sorry for info dumping I really love the muppet lore it seem to be a bit of a dead fandom ❤❤❤)
May I recommend a Muppet Christmas Carol
May I recommend a Muppet Christmas Carol
Let’s keep the Muppets train going! Muppet Babies lore, please! 😭😭😭
Ooooo good idea!
That could actually work!
Yesss
It especially has my curiosity that in one episode Gonzo apparently has human grandparents so I guess he might he adopted? Some people and I were even joking during the whole Gonzorella moral panic BS that he might have two moms or dads
@@SiRenfield That's interesting!
"LEAVE MISS PIGGY ALONE 😭😭😭"
I love this channel
THEY BROKE UP IN THE ABC SHOW BECAUSE MISS PIGGY TRIPPED IN A PROMO FOR SAID SHOW. WHAT THE HELL.
I personally think miss piggy and kermit work best when kermit is too humble and piggy is too egotistical. Like Kermit is nice, he’s down to earth, he’s your friend, but dude is way too soft and introverted to survive hollywood. Miss Piggy KNOWS how to be a star, she is a force of nature that won’t let ANYONE mess with her Kermie,much less herself, but Kermit helps pull her down to Earth so she’s actually friends with the people she works with, not just using them as props in her career. Like the dynamic isn’t SUPER healthy but you get why they benefit each other as performers and people.
I still cry when they sang Rainbow Connection together in The Muppets from 2011.
Muppets ABC has some problems here and there but honestly it's one of my favorite pieces of Muppets media, Thanks so much for covering it Athena!
I'm not kidding here that final song was really touching actually!
I’m so so happy you enjoyed thank you so much!!
Why does this show sound actually awesome. Cancelled unfairly!!! Bring it back, please!!!!!
Also that song at the end truly made me emotional, Miss Piggy would cry to this. Alone.
I WANT A SEASON 2 SO BAD! THAT CLIFFHANGER WAS ILLEGAL!! Also thanks so much for enjoying the song! Many comments ago someone told me I should “stop making songs forever” 😅 and I was never going to listen to that already BUT I APPRECIATE THE REASSURANCE! 🤌 I feel less crazy now
@@AthenaPOfficial Your songs are really fun! Your videos already have SO MUCH personality, but the songs just add even more
Can't believe I never noticed this but Kermit is a lot more expressive than other muppets who usually are stuck with a permanent smile.
The sponsor segment has me SNORTIN *no pun intended but it was completely fucking intended*
This sponsor is genuinely the something I've always been looking for. Thank you from the bottom of my plus-size heart, mrs. Athena
I love Piggy and Uncle Deadly's relationship.
The 2015 series did have its moments, both good and bad. While it did give the Muppets a fresh new start to be back on TV again, the way it was executed was kinda….well…it could’ve been handled a little better.
But I still feel like while the Kermit/Piggy Breakup could’ve been expanded upon and would’ve fleshed out the characters more than they’ve ever been, it was initially created for publicity and press. It just made these characters unlikeable to see them in this way.
Nothing against the show, or the characterizations that the show runners had in mind, but I feel like some of the charm that Jim Henson and his original crew made recognizable was missing. The Muppets did exist in the real world, but they also were part of their own world too.
And no, that doesn’t mean they always treat each other with respect. In fact, sometimes they can’t stand each other. But it is during some tough times, where they are even at their lowest, that they always find a way to unite and make things work again. It’s through the wrong that they make things right. It’s taking what they got, and flying with it.
This is something that even Disney needs to understand. We love these characters for being real with us, but finding enough wittiness and nuttiness to make us laugh. And there absolutely should be a balance. And no, I’m not saying how Jim would want it, but I’m more saying on how we need it.
If there’s one thing that is true, it’s that these characters will still be around, ready to pop up anywhere at anytime, and that’s what I love about the Muppets. They still find ways.
Miss Piggy is an icon and this show, crazy as it was, was fun to watch and remember the muppets did stuff.
Kermit was so mean that he was unrecognizable!
If they ever do something like this again, hopefully they do Kermit in a way he is compassionate but flawed compassionate.
If you want a new deep Lore idea, did you ever read the magic Tree House series as a kid? It's one of my favourites, but looking back on it now, some of the stuff Jack and Annie were doing was not something two under 10s should have been doing. They were on the Titanic in one book and had to deal with a tidal wave in another. So good, but also so crazy.
I love that its canon to the muppets verse that tgey genuinely broke up
I really loved ABC’s the muppets and it drives me crazy how the brand’s stuck in limbo now because of the cancellation of Muppets Mayhem.
Like, it’s either Muppets Now or nothing, apparently, and I *HATE IT.*
THIS or it’s flanderized muppets with no life redoing the same stupid reboots Disney ALREADY did!! The haunted mansion one with the muppets was just depressing as it was just Disney going “OH REMMEBER REMEMBER THIS ONE IP YEAH YEAH HERES OUR REBOOT WERE RELEASING RHIS YEAR YOU CAN FORGET MUPPETS AGAIN” it’s just nostalgia bait now 😭
did... did you not watch Muppet Mayhem or Muppet Haunted Mansion? 'Cause they exist and imo they're pretty good (especially The Muppet Mayhem)
@@thatmanwithanose I watched Muppets Mayhem, dude.
Muppets mayhem so much better than ABC’s muppets. It has its problems but way funnier.
4:22 I've never seen this series, but I would also like to point out that bunsun says, "If it happens outside of work, we don't owe them an explanation." This to me not only implies them being involved but also implies that they have maby hooked up during work hours in the past. Sooo the theory of them not being vanilla has more grounds than just the tazer.
I’m so glad your talking about the muppets. The muppets just feels like something that belongs on this channel 😊
Seeing people talk about this show again makes me so happy, I definitely wish this series got another season but it super clear why it never did, as a Muppet fan it’s really hard when you don’t really get much these days when compared to other Disney Properties, and when we do it’s not really marketed, ending with less Muppets stuff being made dude to a declining viewership (it’s kinda in a loop), in turn no one really talks about them, so thank you for reigniting my Muppet Hyperfixation for today (PS. Give Muppet Mayhem a watch if you want genuinely crazy Muppet Lore)
I'm obsessed with how it's shot exactly like the office
Omg the outfit this time is the most you energy, which means ur energy is on par with miss piggy ❤
"am I only here for you to consume" has multiple meanings in this context
I thought I was the only one who knew about this show existing. I only remember the episode where Fozzie Bear was stealing a candy dish because of his addiction to candy, or maybe it was him just wanting the candy dish because it looked pretty.
He wanted it because he stole it from a celebrity as a way to commemorate being at the celebrity’s house! What you guessed made too much sense hahaha
@@AthenaPOfficial OMG, How was I that accurate when I only saw this episode 💀. Also just an idea, you should do a deep dive of the other characters on ABC's Muppets 😃
That song was beautiful omg those HARMONIES… also iconic look as always
Thank you so much!!! So so happy you like it 🥲
HI! AVID MUPPET ENJOYER (one of my most prevalant hyperfixations. wrote several essays about it in college, going to do puppetry as a career)! in my humble opinion, kermit and piggy were never the iconic couple they were portrayed as. in muppets canon, they are actors. in the muppet show and other things where they arent playing roles, their love is very one sided, and at times felt performative. kemit never really wanted a relationship with her (or anyone really until recent medias, which is why i headcanon aroace kermit but thats not canon anymore), but he never wanted to be too upfront about it, for the sake of piggy AND their fans. piggy was being a relatable queen who loves a good delulu moment (me too girl). kermit didnt take the breakup seriously bcz he never took the RELATIONSHIP seriously. going forward, i hope they keep piggy in her self love era, she deserves it. however, they slandered kermit. he used to just be an anxious stage manager trying to corral goofy performers, now hes just mean. jim would be disappointed. also speaking about jim, it was disney purchasing the muppets that killed him! he was so stressed by it that it caused toxic shock syndrome!
ALSO PLEASE MUPPETS LORE IM BEGGING!! EVEN IF ITS THE MOVIES OR JUST THE MUPPET SHOW, PLEASE SOMETHING!!
The fact that this came right in the middle of my own Muppets hyperfixation.. specifically the 2010s era muppets! wow..
I am in the very same situation! Maybe there’s some sort of Muppets bug going around lol
Lol this came out maybe a month or two after mine ended, I would’ve absolutely been frothing at the mouth for this
@@doofusdumbhead your pfp tells a different story
What’s super interesting is that when Kermit first meets Mrs piggy she is at a country fair trying to win a blue ribbon
I JUST started going down a muppet fixation rabbit hole and I’m in the middle of this show. Athena with impeccable timing as always (I had no idea this video was coming out)
Yesss one of us!
Going through muppets phase again too. I recommend muppets mayhem
The muppets is one of those IP’s that was a staple in my children AS WELL as my adulthood. The humor in those movies shaped me into the person I am today ( as weird as that sounds. ) Thank you muppets for making me laugh at almost everything parody 😭
YIPPEEEE :))) obligatory “I was here at 8 minutes posted” comment, SO EXCITED
TODAYS LOOK IS INCREDIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOURE SLAYING
THE SOMG WAS SO GOOD AND SO BEAUTIFUL OH MY GOD!!!! 10/10 LORE LITE EPISODE THANK YOU ATHENA
Leaving a comment in support bc I can't handle a show where Kermit is mean and their relationship is in shambles, it's just too much 💔
I love that Belinda is also a callback to Muppet Christmas Carol. 33:12
As someone who didn't grow up with the muppets (aka not from the US) I am surprisingly VERY upset at how they absolutely destroyed Kermit's character on this show. I can actually relate to having a malewife fave turned into a misogynistic asshole who breaks up with his girl for no reason, so I'm pouring one out for the kermit fans
13:27 I may be *reaching* (and dumb lol) buttt you could look at Kermits "hesitation" in the elevator with the actress as him considering his options and possibly forgetting he wasn't with Ms. Piggy anymore, but with his new girlfriend. Basically showing how his brain will always go back to his mindset he was in with Ms. Piggy and mentally and emotionally "disregard" his current partner for his ex
Man, when this show came out, I remember loving it so much...looking back at it now-yeah, Kermit was an asshole, which is so unkermit-like of him...
I am so happy you made a video of this, I watched the entire series while pregnant in the couch with my first baby
I don't think an ad has ever made me blush before today. You're soooo pretty, Athena! Seriously girl, drop-dead gorgeous. Keep up that confidence! ✨
I binge watched the entire series in early 2022 and didn't like it at first but after a while I loved it and am still pissed at the cliffhanger finale
The 2015 muppet series was affected by executive meddling, yet it needed a 2nd season to improve!!
I'm currently knee-deep in a Muppets hyperfixation ESPECIALLY the ABC show. thank you for sharing a brain cell with me queen❤
thanks to Parade for sponsoring this fit, i am Looking So Respectfully !
okay... learning that characters both date AND EAT pigs is taking me out
The dethklok references is the final nail in the coffin of my parasocial relationship with Athena. I’d kill for her
Athen is SLAYING
AAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH why'd the song get me in my feelings, best song you've made so far! So happy Miss Piggy got the recognition she deserved
Thanks so much!!! Definitely a lot less silly than the other songs I’ve made and I’m so so happy you enjoyed!
@@AthenaPOfficial The silly songs can still be a bop, love and freaking penguins should be playing on the radio
I now have a cannon in my head where Athena was adopted into Miss piggy family as a baby. This way the two grew up as sisters and Athena and miss piggy grew up as sister so when there parents were slaughtere Miss piggy took the responsibility to raid her little sister Athena who was 8 years old at the time. Around that time miss piggy became a star and as we can see very rich so raising and taking care of Athena needs were manageable for her. “ I am pretty great with kids.” She says because she raised Athena who she can relax and in a way be herself, she can wear anything knowing Athena won’t judge her. Miss piggy shopping with child Athena while holding her hand it too cute.
Well, how refreshing. This is different from my normal stream of content. I usually watch content from what I would call the "uncle" type of personality. This gives of older sister energy. Nice.
I think so much about the old interview where Gonzo, Kermit, and Miss Piggy are implied to be a throuple ("Big Breakfast")
32:16 that is a whole new expression I've seen from Kermit. They really chadded his face up 😄
So gonna start by saying, I've been surrounded by the muppets since before I could walk and growing up during a time where kids my age preferred Suite Life and Drake. I was on The Muppet Show and Alice Cooper. I personally hated the ABC Muppet series, because I know that Jim would have hated how selfish Kermit had been made out to be. That being said, the song brought a tear to my eye and I think it's a perfect representation of the Muppets as a whole. I'm glad that you talked about the muppets, even if it was just for a lore lite.
I wish they could come back as cheesy, over the top, innovative and without fear of being weird like they once were, but it seems like that died when Brian Henson stopped taking such an active role, though I am hopeful for the Electric Mayhem movie. Thanks again Athena you made my heart happy
Miss Piggy is an icon, she is a legend, she is the moment, now come on now
From my understanding, a major reason why Steve Whitmire doesn't play Kermit anymore is because he disagreed with the way Kermit was characterized in this show (though the exact details on what happened are fuzzy and change depending on who's telling the story).
3:14 PG13+ Athena P!
Yeah, That Made Me Have A Crush On Her
@@marcusacostafilmsmarcustoo3164 I already had a crush on her! 😍
@@MarxistMomentum Hey, No Fair, I Wanted Her To Be My Girlfriend
NO BECAUSE I LAUGHED SO HARD AT 8:26 - BECAUSE as soon as I saw, you were covering the Muppets by immediately connected to how your energy matched Miss Piggy!!!!! Your theatrics and energy are perfectly Synced! I laugh along to your jokes all the time.
I love the sponsor for the video, miss piggy would approve. I was already obsessed with the print of it before I got a good look at it, so beautiful! You are killing it
*please do lore lites of all the muppets, that would be so awesome and iconic*
Edit: Also, it's very canon within the Muppets universe that all the Muppets are just casually *super fucking old* and they just haven't aged for some reason (although the original idea for The Muppet Movie was that they *had* visibly aged, and that some of them had actually *died,* but that was scrapped for being too depressing). All the jokes about how much younger Denise is than Kermit have a *lot* to stand on, mainly because it's very likely that she is indeed much younger than the og cast. However, she is still an adult and allowed to date whoever she wants. She was right to leave Kermit, tho, he's kind of a shit boyfriend, and I'm glad that there wasn't any canon confirmation that Kermit and Piggy got back together, those two still need time to figure themselves out before trying to get in a relationship with *anyone* again.
4:58 I just randomly recalled this when it comes to fictional characters that don't really have "traditional" ageing like Pokemon or Zora and Gorons from the legend of zelda series. I personally look at mental age when those types of characters are paired together if one acts like a child and the other acts like an adult I am not ok with it. However if both act as adults on a mental level its fine.
Miss Piggy always has been and will be a fashion icon and I don't care what anyone says.
I legit have an old page in my dairy where I vent about Miss Piggy and Kermit's breakup LMAO it hit me hard. Excited for this video!
I'm really grateful for this video because parts of this show really rubbed me the wrong way in this very subtle and granular way, but I did not have the media literacy to really appreciate just how toxic these awful sitcom tropes were at the time this was airing so I feel pretty vindicated for not just being too sensitive with this stuff...
Also, SHEESH that final song goes so hard... those lyrics really stuck with me. "Do i exist for you to consume?" completely rewrote my entire perception on Miss Piggy. This is some masterful character analysis
I USED TO BE SO OBSESSED WITH THE MUPPETS I USED TO RE WATCH THE ABC SHOW A THOUSAND TIMES!!!! This made my day I’m so thankful you covered it😭😭
can i just say ive seen so many parade sponsorships but ive been so iffy about it but then i saw yours and we have the same body type and youve inspired me to maybe…give it a try, tysm
I think we should remember Kermit is literally 70 next year and Denise is more than likely in her 20’s
The ad bit is amazing, i love it in so many ways
Such a great video the pig nose was a great touch,
Actual question when is “Fallen star” releasing on Spotify
It's the Muppet Show, with our very special guest, Athena Priftakis!!! YAYYY!
I’ll always be forever mad that this show got cancelled after one season h
Amazing video btw!!! Miss Piggy is absolutely amazing I love her
Are we not gonna discuss how good the ending song was, like every lyric has me wailing