Your conversations are most educational and interesting and satisfying and inspiring.. im from hissar and feel so elated thst someone from haryana is making the world a better place to live in....because of your episodes!
In Devi Chandragupta, it is written that Ramgupt forcefully marries Dhruvadevi/Dhruvaswamini who is actually Chandragupt’s finance. After the discussed episode, when she is sent to the Shakraj Kharvela’s camp, Chandragupta kills both Shakraj and Ramgupt. I agree with Jayvardhan’s theory that it is possible that it is a propaganda piece as in the story Ramgupt is repeatedly called नपुंसक.
Jay Bhai & Vaad - thnk u for this podcast theres too much discuss on these topics. i would highly recommend and KINDLY REQUEST to maneuver the history topics towards geeky things like AD_HOC spendings by empires, salary structures, common citizen benefits and a holistic view of its municipality and bureaucracy of that empire, if time left u could do:trade route of a empire and its balance of payment .
@@rsd15161701 There has been change of climate so flooding started taking more and more. There was thick forest so magadh was able to keep huge elephant force because a good forest is required to support elephant army
we find mauryan proof in pataliputra which was older than guptas.. and of course of licchavis in flood prone regions of north bihar. isnt it hillatious that most culturally advanced of all ancient dynasties ie Guptas wont leave any archeological evidence in their capital region (had pataliputra been their capital .) But we have a lot of such proofs in prayag and Ayodhya.
Gupt surname nowadays is generally associated with vaishya/ baniya communities. However, its really purpose has been to keep one's true antecedents a secret. It was perfect on the part of a ruler to not associate oneself with any particular varna as they represent the people and not some particular group!! Gupta emperors must be appreciated for this aspect rather than the veiled criticism that is being resorted to!!
Gupt here means under protection So Chandragupt(a) means "One who is protected by Chandra Deva", similarly Samudragupt(a) means "One who is protected by Samudra Deva", same applies to Skandagupt(a), Ramagupt(a), Narsinghgupt(a), Buddhgupt(a) etc. Gupt was not their surname which usually people think. This whole confusion is caused due to use of English and thus mispronunciation of their name. Sanskrit and other Indian languages have a lingering "a" sound after consonants like Ka (क), Kha (ख), Ga (ग) etc. Therefore Indian names ending with a consonant usually have an "a" in their end eg:- Rama, Laxmana, Krishna etc. but names ending with a vowel don't have a lingering "a" sound i.e., Vishnu, Laxmi, Saraswati, Parvati etc. The problem lies in transliteration as English doesn't diffrentiate between "a" (अ) and "aa" or "ā" (आ). In India we don't commnly use diacritics (it is used in academic and scholarly works only) which can help in transliteration. The Vaishya surname is actually Guptā with आ (ā) i.e. lot of emphasis on the vowel unlike the Gupt(a) rulers whose names end with त and not ता. People shouldn't confuse both of them, both of them are world's apart.
In one side you are saying about eastern up and on other side you are saying about magadh which is confusing. When Magadh was there , where was eastern up?
@@khuranashyam magadh was not only up and Bihar , it extended upto afganistan, the whole territory was known as magadh, but at that time there was no place known as purvanchal.
The illiteracy regarding history is insane in India. Many in the comments are conflating the Gupta surname of today with those of Gupt(a) Empire which is hilarious and stupid at the same time. Gupt here means "under protection of _____". So Chandragupt(a) means "One who is protected by Chandra Deva", similarly Samudragupt(a) means "One who is protected by Samudra Deva", same applies to Skandagupt(a), Ramagupt(a), Narsinghgupt(a), Buddhgupt(a) etc. Gupt was not their surname which usually people think. Same goes from Chandragupt(a) of Mauryan Dynasty. This whole confusion is caused due to use of English and thus mispronunciation of their name. Sanskrit and other Indian languages have a lingering "a" sound after consonants like Ka (क), Kha (ख), Ga (ग) etc. Therefore Indian names ending with a consonant usually have an "a" in their end eg:- Rama, Laxmana, Krishna etc. but names ending with a vowel don't have a lingering "a" sound i.e., Vishnu, Laxmi, Saraswati, Parvati etc. The problem lies in transliteration as English doesn't diffrentiate between "a" (अ) and "aa" or "ā" (आ). In India we don't commnly use diacritics (it is used in academic and scholarly works only) which can help in transliteration. The Vaishya surname is actually Guptā with आ (ā) i.e. lot of emphasis on the vowel unlike the Gupt(a) rulers whose names end with त and not ता. People shouldn't confuse both of them, both of them are world's apart.
Bhai gupt or gupta same h bus fark itna h ki do alag alag sanskriti k logo ne apne talk accent k hisab se bola or likha h jese Ram ka rama krishn Krishna etc lekin dono same h Or gupta vaishya hote h naaki Brahman ya kshatriya agar aesa h to mene Aaj tk ek bhi rajput ya Brahma ko gupta surname use krte hue nhi dekha
Their region of rule was eastern UP and western Bihar it's because they fought a battle against Hunas and defeated them near Saidpur Bheetari in eastern UP which falls in Ghazipur district. There is a pillar made to recognize this battle in which it's clearly mentioned that Skandgupta param-bhattaraka defeated huns in the war. It's quite evident that they were from this region.
I don't know why jay vardhan is supporting Marxist historians and quoting them while romila thapar who says that samrat yuddhistir was born after samrat ashok😂😂
Most of the historians and Archeologist concur on the fact that gupts were from prayagraj and ayodhya region of poorvanchal UP. Their capital was most probably Prayag.
Or raghav Chadha and that congress spokesperson supriya sinate 😂? also both s jaishankar and his father studied from jnu and both serve congress during Indira Gandhi rule and few years s jaishankar and now in bjp rule he is 68 years old ?@@vikalptrivedi6730
@@vikalptrivedi6730 bhai tere soch kitni saad chuki hai ye sab jante hai .....trivedi naam hone se koi pandit nhi hota.....chutiya bhi ho skte hai apke tarah 😂
Not exactly. Most of the things he mentioned is from the history given by westerners like william Jones, raphson, max muller... Try reading history and reconstructed time line of indian history given by our indian historians like pandit kota venkatachalam
Dear UA-camr, you must tell the audience that at that time there was no region like Poorvanchal. You may be narrating only because of Bithari Pillar Inscriptions of Skandagupta (discovered in the village of Bhitari near Saidpur of Ghazipur district in Eastern Uttar Pradesh, now being called as Poorvanchal, dating back to the reign of Gupta Empire ruler Skandagupta (c. 455 - c. 467 CE)) built as a memorial in remembrance of his great victory over foreign nomadic invaders like Hunas etc. Renowned historian R C Majumdar has called Skandgupta the ‘Saviour of India’ on account of his great victory.
My dear friend the boundary of malla janapada and magadh starts from the Gandaki (gandak river ) before that till chhapra it was malla and after gandak it was vrijji I'm north and magadh in south so, the bhojpuri speaking region in Bihar in currently is on the left bank of Gandaki river and shares land border with purvanchal but the natural boundary which demarcates the difference in culture starts from gandak river. If you want I can show map of relevant region and can explain effectively. If you want reply will connect
@@TransgirlsEnjoyernope purvanchal is not bihar bihar has four cultural regions 1. Vrijji northern bihar i.e Vaishali 2. South Bihar - Magadha( patna ) 3. Mithila-Anga 4. Remanent of malla janapada i.e west champaran, gopalganj a part of Sivan and remanant of Kashi Janpada i.e buxar Ara mohania area . Only the remanants of Kashi and malla Janpada are similar to purvanchal and have more similarities with awadh and purvanchal than rest of bihar. In this region is bhojpuri speakers are found which is very very much different from up's region like in malla - gorakhpur region sarwari is spoken Kashi - Banaras where pachhmaiya is spoken. So I will advice never ever say purvanchal is same as bihar because purbachal is more similarly to kosala i.e ayodhya but have distinct culture of its own whereas bihar has its unique culture of vrjii magadh and mithila ... The bhojpuri regions are different from rest of bihar which are similar to purvanchal just similar not same
It would be pertinent for Mr Singh to note that marriage alliances between royal families did not follow varna considerations, but these were more done out of strategic considerations!! Also, a person's Varna in those times was more in sync with the Vedic definition of one's profession rather than one's ancestry!!
Ye debate chidna bhi acha hai ki we bihari the ki purvanchali ,isi bahane kam se kam gupta ke bare me discussion to hoga,, nahi to wo hamesa hi ignore. Hote hai
That is very clear. When Magadh was the strongest kingdom and later empire, gods came from Magadh region, Mahavir and Buddha. With coming of Gupta empire Raghuvansham was written by Kalidas based on Chandragupta II, victories. We see rise of Rama as a god during this time.
Happy to know that earlier women after getting married would never suddenly change their origin of identities to their married families I too never consider myself as 'belonging' to my husband's side of family
That is probably only because the dad was the biggest king in the Indian frontiers back then, so she could do as she pleased and her father would back her up. Marriage unlike today , where it is a bond of love, was back then a social duty, and a feudalistic alliance first. Especially amongst the ruling class
Whenever there is a good thing everyone wants to claim the same. Gupta vansh or Gupta empire were Magadhi and Biharis , thats why they ruled from Magadha/Patliputra and if they belong to East UP then they would have made capital Ayodhya. Now enough is enough we Biharis will take our history and pride back....... All the Gupta Kings belong to Magadha and Bihar....... We will fight for our history and will take our pride back....
Lmao stop doing this rona mayn. Gupta coins , inscription and everything is found in concentration in East UP. First Gupta's inscription is in East UP. And fyi there is a theory of Ayodhya being a Gupta capital as well. Also Patliputra was like a grand city so any king from any region will make it their capital.The truth is we don't where they actually ruled from,even Patliputra being is a theory only It's now about who is Bihari who is Purvanchali, these identities didn't even existed back than. It's a cold truth.
@@aryanjaiswal8935No Gupta rulers were from Bihar and Patliputra was the capital of Gupta Dynasty. Yes Ayodhya was important city for Gupta dynasty because Samudra Gupta King 2nd son (ChandraGupta II) was brought up in that city. Samadra Gupta King mother was from Licchavi clan. Everywhere in Historical books and Wikepedia it is written that Patliputra was the capital of Magadha. No where it is written that Ayodhya was the capital of Guptas. This youtuber i am watching since very beginning he is having some kind of allegies with us thats why he is detroying our history. In one of the video he was claiming that King Bimbisar originally belong to Punjab and not of Magadha which is tottaly not justified...........
@@Ayushk_sinha Gupta ruler were not from Bihar and we don't know what Gupta capital was. Samudragupta mother was from Licchavi clan yrs and yes Patliputra was the capital of Magadh but here we are taking abt Gupta's not Mahajanpadic Magadha. This UA-camr just tells facts also where did he said Bimbisara is from Punjab?? He lit only mention scholaly consensus and the truth is that Guptas were not from Bihar.
@@aryanjaiswal8935 No 110% Gupta dynasty was from Bihar and Patliputra was the capital of them and from there they have ruled the whole India. It is very strange that how come u people are denying from the fact that Guptas were not from Magadh. Several buddhist scholar books have mentioned that Guptas capital was Patliputra and that is Patna.... No where it has been mentioned that they were from Ayodhya........
East UP aur Bihar waise bhi bohot similar hai🥱 purvanchal log mathura ke braj waasi se zyada sambandh bihari bhojpuri se rakhte hai. Ye vivaad faltu ka hai
Dear viewers,, Gupts k vern ki baat ho rhi hai h n ki jati to kripya apni jati se relate n kre... Khud ko itna kabil banay ki tmhe log us jati se relate kre... Dhanyavaad
Manusmriti was written during the later classical period of Sanskrit . Kalidasa's Sanskrit is older. Besides, there is no authentic text. In fact, the science of editing never existed in India. Brahman was not a caste . One who knew Brahman ( ब्रह्मण् ) was Brahman lt was not a caste.
@@randomturd1415Even Palas ne apna ek capital Patliputra banaya after winning it aur do Bengal mein jisme se ek jaha se origin tha.... because wo log bhi basically Gupta Empire ke descendants the i.e West Bengal, Bihar, Awadh and purwanchal aur Chattisgarh ke log ek hi the. Ye sab regional distinction Ujjain Rajputs ke wajah se issue hua . Waise East Up ka adha bihar ke bhojpur ka part tha which later divided. Kashi se Arra ke logon ko purabia bola jaata tha and they were famous for Strong Fighting skills
R.C. Majumdar has said that Gupta were vaishyas with humble beginnings and then acquired the kingdom to become Kshatriya Varna. This JNU PhD of course wants to perpetuate the myth of rigid caste system. *sigh*
Only the Maharaja could issue gold coins; the rest of the smaller kings could issue coins in silver/copper. Only if these smaller kings wanted to put up a show of 'hume chahiye aazadi' type if challenge would they dare to issue gold coins in their own name. This very ancient tradition of the rules and symbols of Kingship and Authority was followed even in the West and in West Asia by those 'kings' and nobles (who were essentially long lost, disconnected, renegade--or just pretenders and upstarts--kith and kin of the Bharatiya raj-vansh). Watch what happens and who all comes to His durbar when the pran-pratishtha of the Bhagwan Sri Ram mandir takes place. (Those who don't, well....)
Unfortunately, historians have been more about speculation, imagination and in all probability, falsification. It will be more appropriate to classify their works as fiction and these should never be used as research reference. It will be more appropriate to depend upon original source materials like inscriptions, archeological artifacts, original ancient Sanskrit texts etc.
पांचवीं शताब्दी के अंत तक भारत में सरनेम नहीं था । वर्णाश्रम व्यवस्था ७वीं शताब्दी में आई । सच्चे मायने में भारत का पहला इतिहास John Mill ने लिखा था। अंग्रेजी भाषा में सरनेम ज्यादा महत्वपूर्ण है क्योंकि प्रथम नाम किसी संत का होता है। आपका discourse ज्ञान वर्धक है । बहुत बहुत धन्यवाद।
Or there was no caste system? Casta is quite literally a Portuguese word it meant European slave system instituted in Europe by the church and later exported to European "colonies'
It became Rigid during Guptas and all societal ills, feudalism of india took over North India till Harsha came to throne. Due to these stangnant society . India was bound to fall to islamic invadors who were Progressive in many aspect in those days.
Purvanchal = Bihar both culturally & linguistically....kya fark padta h, ethnicity to same hi h n & Samundragupta in his inscription identify himself (maternal) as the son of licchavis (ruler clan of modern vaishali in Bihar). so technically doesnt make any sense to distinguish Purvanchal & Bihar as both Bihar & Purvanchal are same region in all aspect even in topography (lies in middle ganga basin).
@@ShubhamKumar-vd9xy whole purvanchal is same as Bihar whole purvanchal was part of cour Magadh cour Magadh means modern day eastern up bihar majority of jharkhand and some part of Bengal
@@midfielderlounge2592 go and learn history areas until Kashi are parts of kosala empire 🤣places below that maybe share similarity with you but guess what due to your down image they don't want to associate themselves with you 🤣🤣
@stboys1932 pahli baat tum adivasi ho nahi varna ye sab paragraph nahi likhte aur dusri baat main nahi historian bol rahe hai .ham log gupta british rule se bhi pahle se use kr Rahe hai aaj k nahi hai .Aur brahmin jo sharma the wo Sengupta aur gupta british time mein use karna shuru kiye the
@stboys1932Martha ek warrior community thi jo bahut baad mein develop hua to usme bahut sare community ke log ho sakte hai jo baad mein martahe kahlaye
Vakatak belongs to Naga Dynasty. Actually Tak means Nag. In our history Maurya, Sakya, Lichchavi, Nand ets are all decendant from Naga Dynasty of India.
Lol... all the dynasties ruling from Patliputra were essentially originated in and around the region of Patliputra. So were Mauryas, so were Guptas and even before all of them Mahapadmnanda also had a huge empire controlling it from Patliputra. He has been called 'Ekrat' or the only king in puranas as he had defeated every other king of India. There is no reason why someone from Purvanchal would shift his capital to Pataliputra when Patliputra had ceased to be a political and commercial centre for 400-500 years at that point.
But Bihar have both part purvanchal magadh is mostly the eastern son river to falgu to kiyul river is magadh and western sone river bank is bhojpuri speaking which is purvanchal
I have always doubted where did these great empires guptas,mauryas lost in antiquity... Surely the emergence of Bhumihars and (awadhi and Purvanchali)Rajputs have big relation with these dynasties... After all where they originated, the land grants,feuadal lords and big land holders are bhumihar and Rajputs. Sadly with arya samaji and sanskritisation some sub altern communities like kacchi, koeri changed their surnames to get some social mobility.
@@mahanirvaantantrathakurs were brit agents who started to style themselves as kings. Do you think actual ksahtriyas would have fell for brit caste baiting against laborers. Haha
Even before brits and mughals thakurs were landowners. And what the fuck is this actual kshatriyas, as if they were some DIVINE BEINGS, they were humans like anybody... Even brahmins fell for british agents
Then why no bhumihar or thakur in Bihar or UP has title of maurya or Gupta ?? Speculation to kuch bhi kar do 😂😂 bhumihar call themselves as Brahmin for social mobility too though they got stuck between Brahmins and Kshtriyas. And most have title of roy or Rai some adopted Singh again to show themselves as rajputs . Bhumihar are often laughed at in various castes 😂😂 . Also most land with them are due to Brit policy. In Punjab haryaana jutt and jat became dominant zamindar due to British. Jaats do were farming community but they were loosing farms rapidly to lalas/Baniyas . They rebelled so Brtis banned all other caste to own land there. Similarly Brits permanent settlement in Bengal Bihar odisha created modern zamindar of india .
Why the hell Gupta became dominant title of Baniyas ?? Is also a big question if Gupta was title of such formidble "kshtriya" empire who ruled for 300 years atleast . Gupta shd have been the default title of kshtriyas after this . But I have not met one kshtriya with this title. Gupta being Brahmin can be understood to a level as Chankya name was also VishnuGupt.
In sab bommin rajao k kai murti hai jisme wo janeu ni pehna dikhaya hua hai, kuch kandhe me hai bhi toh wo belt jaisa hai wo bhi bamano se ultr kandhe pe
Guptas Dynasty is from vaishya varna once a varna climbs to ruling they mostly call themselves kshthriyas.. marriage cant be a deciding factor as kings used to have intercaste marriage who can oppose them and they also had politicial marriages
They most likely were of non kshatriya origin but weren't vaishyas, don't conflate the Gupta jis of today with Gupts of ancient India, i have personally met Kshatriyas with Gupt (not Gupta) last names who trace their origins from Purvanchal and Avadh and they marry amongst the Rajputs of UP
@@TransgirlsEnjoyer😂😂😂 why the hell kshatriyas or Brahmins didn't took the title 😂😂😂 and only Baniyas who don't have any aspiration to rule but to earn money took the title LOL
Does Eastern UP really include Awadh? Awadh, with Lucknow/Faizabad as centre, is more like Central UP. Its language is Awadhi and not Bhojpuri. (13:30) And they are unlikely to be Kshatriyas, because if Kshatriyas had existed in this time, they would have ruled in Punjab also. Even Mauryans weren't Kshatriya either. Kshatriya varna probably ended by the time of Greek invasion. Rajputs arose later after Guptas.
Gupta dynasty is from BIHAR(patna) . Pls not narrate history after 1500 yrs. If capable create history, I & Bihari work for that, we do same in 1857,1975(emergency time).
Sir inke sath aur podcast kijiye, bahut simplest way Mai history k tark vitark smjha aate hai.
the maps really helps to understand the situation thank you 👍
Your conversations are most educational and interesting and satisfying and inspiring.. im from hissar and feel so elated thst someone from haryana is making the world a better place to live in....because of your episodes!
In Devi Chandragupta, it is written that Ramgupt forcefully marries Dhruvadevi/Dhruvaswamini who is actually Chandragupt’s finance. After the discussed episode, when she is sent to the Shakraj Kharvela’s camp, Chandragupta kills both Shakraj and Ramgupt. I agree with Jayvardhan’s theory that it is possible that it is a propaganda piece as in the story Ramgupt is repeatedly called नपुंसक.
Jay Bhai & Vaad - thnk u for this podcast
theres too much discuss on these topics. i would highly recommend and KINDLY REQUEST to maneuver the history topics towards geeky things like AD_HOC spendings by empires, salary structures, common citizen benefits and a holistic view of its municipality and bureaucracy of that empire, if time left u could do:trade route of a empire and its balance of payment .
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In Bihar, floods come almost every 4 years so it is very difficult to have antiques from these area
Yup😮north bihar/mithila is always under water.
So why they live where always has floods??
@@rsd15161701 There has been change of climate so flooding started taking more and more. There was thick forest so magadh was able to keep huge elephant force because a good forest is required to support elephant army
@@rsd15161701japaniyon se puch vo bhukamp me kyu rehte hai
we find mauryan proof in pataliputra which was older than guptas.. and of course of licchavis in flood prone regions of north bihar.
isnt it hillatious that most culturally advanced of all ancient dynasties ie Guptas wont leave any archeological evidence in their capital region (had pataliputra been their capital .)
But we have a lot of such proofs in prayag and Ayodhya.
As always great podcast❤❤
Gupt surname nowadays is generally associated with vaishya/ baniya communities. However, its really purpose has been to keep one's true antecedents a secret.
It was perfect on the part of a ruler to not associate oneself with any particular varna as they represent the people and not some particular group!!
Gupta emperors must be appreciated for this aspect rather than the veiled criticism that is being resorted to!!
Gupt here means under protection
So Chandragupt(a) means "One who is protected by Chandra Deva", similarly Samudragupt(a) means "One who is protected by Samudra Deva", same applies to Skandagupt(a), Ramagupt(a), Narsinghgupt(a), Buddhgupt(a) etc. Gupt was not their surname which usually people think.
This whole confusion is caused due to use of English and thus mispronunciation of their name. Sanskrit and other Indian languages have a lingering "a" sound after consonants like Ka (क), Kha (ख), Ga (ग) etc. Therefore Indian names ending with a consonant usually have an "a" in their end eg:- Rama, Laxmana, Krishna etc. but names ending with a vowel don't have a lingering "a" sound i.e., Vishnu, Laxmi, Saraswati, Parvati etc.
The problem lies in transliteration as English doesn't diffrentiate between "a" (अ) and "aa" or "ā" (आ). In India we don't commnly use diacritics (it is used in academic and scholarly works only) which can help in transliteration. The Vaishya surname is actually Guptā with आ (ā) i.e. lot of emphasis on the vowel unlike the Gupt(a) rulers whose names end with त and not ता. People shouldn't confuse both of them, both of them are world's apart.
@@ashwarypChitra Gupt?
If Khilji had not destroyed Nalanda, then we would have more certain information. Such a disservice to humanity by Islamic beliefs.
Correct
Unlikely.
In one side you are saying about eastern up and on other side you are saying about magadh which is confusing. When Magadh was there , where was eastern up?
@@oldsoul9262 magadh is Patna / Bihar where as Eastern up is Allahabad to baliya area
@@khuranashyam magadh was not only up and Bihar , it extended upto afganistan, the whole territory was known as magadh, but at that time there was no place known as purvanchal.
The illiteracy regarding history is insane in India. Many in the comments are conflating the Gupta surname of today with those of Gupt(a) Empire which is hilarious and stupid at the same time.
Gupt here means "under protection of _____".
So Chandragupt(a) means "One who is protected by Chandra Deva", similarly Samudragupt(a) means "One who is protected by Samudra Deva", same applies to Skandagupt(a), Ramagupt(a), Narsinghgupt(a), Buddhgupt(a) etc. Gupt was not their surname which usually people think. Same goes from Chandragupt(a) of Mauryan Dynasty.
This whole confusion is caused due to use of English and thus mispronunciation of their name. Sanskrit and other Indian languages have a lingering "a" sound after consonants like Ka (क), Kha (ख), Ga (ग) etc. Therefore Indian names ending with a consonant usually have an "a" in their end eg:- Rama, Laxmana, Krishna etc. but names ending with a vowel don't have a lingering "a" sound i.e., Vishnu, Laxmi, Saraswati, Parvati etc.
The problem lies in transliteration as English doesn't diffrentiate between "a" (अ) and "aa" or "ā" (आ). In India we don't commnly use diacritics (it is used in academic and scholarly works only) which can help in transliteration. The Vaishya surname is actually Guptā with आ (ā) i.e. lot of emphasis on the vowel unlike the Gupt(a) rulers whose names end with त and not ता. People shouldn't confuse both of them, both of them are world's apart.
Bhai gupt or gupta same h bus fark itna h ki do alag alag sanskriti k logo ne apne talk accent k hisab se bola or likha h jese Ram ka rama krishn Krishna etc lekin dono same h
Or gupta vaishya hote h naaki Brahman ya kshatriya agar aesa h to mene Aaj tk ek bhi rajput ya Brahma ko gupta surname use krte hue nhi dekha
@@imanishguptaa chup kar dono alag hai unka aaj ke gupta se koi lena dena nhi waise hi us time ke maurya ka aaj ke maurya se kuch lena dena nhi
@@riderchallenge4250 abee pagl h kya maurya ka to pta nhi but gupta empire vaishya tha hain or rahega
What a insightful podcast my god ... Its like a full course on history ❤❤
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I'm from Bihar and Gupta dynasty is a part of Bihar and they too were real Biharis of India .
No they are not!!! 😂
@@ShubhamKumar-vd9xy yes they are 😯
@@Parysati no they are not 🤣
@@ShubhamKumar-vd9xy yes they are for sure 😁
@@Alakazam001 maurans speak magadhi Gupta did not 🤣
Best historical experience keep it up
Their region of rule was eastern UP and western Bihar it's because they fought a battle against Hunas and defeated them near Saidpur Bheetari in eastern UP which falls in Ghazipur district. There is a pillar made to recognize this battle in which it's clearly mentioned that Skandgupta param-bhattaraka defeated huns in the war. It's quite evident that they were from this region.
What's the name of the pillar?
@@euphoria728 Bhitari Pillar Inscription.
I don't know why jay vardhan is supporting Marxist historians and quoting them while romila thapar who says that samrat yuddhistir was born after samrat ashok😂😂
He quoted all kinds of historians.
Wait wait wait? Did she really drop down to this level? I never thought she could've fallen more.
Bhai next episode jaldi le aana... Is baar bahot der lagadi
Most of the historians and Archeologist concur on the fact that gupts were from prayagraj and ayodhya region of poorvanchal UP. Their capital was most probably Prayag.
cant believe JNU had some useful scholars too. 🤣
Yes right I've always thought they had some useless people like Nirmala Sitaraman.
Or raghav Chadha and that congress spokesperson supriya sinate 😂? also both s jaishankar and his father studied from jnu and both serve congress during Indira Gandhi rule and few years s jaishankar and now in bjp rule he is 68 years old ?@@vikalptrivedi6730
@@vikalptrivedi6730 bhai tere soch kitni saad chuki hai ye sab jante hai .....trivedi naam hone se koi pandit nhi hota.....chutiya bhi ho skte hai apke tarah 😂
Not exactly. Most of the things he mentioned is from the history given by westerners like william Jones, raphson, max muller...
Try reading history and reconstructed time line of indian history given by our indian historians like pandit kota venkatachalam
Bhai aapne bina history ke gyan ke bhi itna accha host kar liya . Great
Good podcast but interviewer forgets if he is talking about chandragupta or samudragupta
You pick awesome topic.. i deep dived in your video... It's very informative.. thank you for your affords...❤ From Gujarat
Dear UA-camr, you must tell the audience that at that time there was no region like Poorvanchal. You may be narrating only because of Bithari Pillar Inscriptions of Skandagupta (discovered in the village of Bhitari near Saidpur of Ghazipur district in Eastern Uttar Pradesh, now being called as Poorvanchal, dating back to the reign of Gupta Empire ruler Skandagupta (c. 455 - c. 467 CE)) built as a memorial in remembrance of his great victory over foreign nomadic invaders like Hunas etc. Renowned historian R C Majumdar has called Skandgupta the ‘Saviour of India’ on account of his great victory.
poorvanchal is just like bihar only, have u ever been there
At that time there was no Bihar state too,
My dear friend the boundary of malla janapada and magadh starts from the Gandaki (gandak river ) before that till chhapra it was malla and after gandak it was vrijji I'm north and magadh in south so, the bhojpuri speaking region in Bihar in currently is on the left bank of Gandaki river and shares land border with purvanchal but the natural boundary which demarcates the difference in culture starts from gandak river. If you want I can show map of relevant region and can explain effectively. If you want reply will connect
@@TransgirlsEnjoyernope purvanchal is not bihar bihar has four cultural regions 1. Vrijji northern bihar i.e Vaishali 2. South Bihar - Magadha( patna ) 3. Mithila-Anga 4. Remanent of malla janapada i.e west champaran, gopalganj a part of Sivan and remanant of Kashi Janpada i.e buxar Ara mohania area .
Only the remanants of Kashi and malla Janpada are similar to purvanchal and have more similarities with awadh and purvanchal than rest of bihar.
In this region is bhojpuri speakers are found which is very very much different from up's region like in malla - gorakhpur region sarwari is spoken Kashi - Banaras where pachhmaiya is spoken.
So I will advice never ever say purvanchal is same as bihar because purbachal is more similarly to kosala i.e ayodhya but have distinct culture of its own whereas bihar has its unique culture of vrjii magadh and mithila ... The bhojpuri regions are different from rest of bihar which are similar to purvanchal just similar not same
Then why this Bhitari pillar is located at that place ?
Any reason .
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Please call Dr. Uday Kulkarni for 18th Century Maratha Empire history....he is the best in recent times.
Indeed!
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Very interesting but under rated 😊
Allahabad fort was built in 1584 and not 1573 and the pillar was shifted from Kausambi to the fort later .
It would be pertinent for Mr Singh to note that marriage alliances between royal families did not follow varna considerations, but these were more done out of strategic considerations!!
Also, a person's Varna in those times was more in sync with the Vedic definition of one's profession rather than one's ancestry!!
There should be a movie on chandragupta maurya
Samundragupta
Nagabhatta pratihara
Bollywood waley tatti bnaa dengey
No a well written web series needed , movie me theek se cover hi nhi ho payega
And Salman khan should act in it.😅😂😂😂
FINALLY!
Upload ho gaya 😂
Please make a separate episode about the Satvahan dynasty.
Congrats for 300k Arihant
The whole region was called magadh and majority and core of magadh is in bihar
Ye debate chidna bhi acha hai ki we bihari the ki purvanchali ,isi bahane kam se kam gupta ke bare me discussion to hoga,, nahi to wo hamesa hi ignore. Hote hai
Excellent analysis, thanks a lot Jai,there is no doubt Gupta's base was kousambi.
That is very clear. When Magadh was the strongest kingdom and later empire, gods came from Magadh region, Mahavir and Buddha. With coming of Gupta empire Raghuvansham was written by Kalidas based on Chandragupta II, victories. We see rise of Rama as a god during this time.
How is it clear? It may be termed as a feasible theory but not a fact.
Magadh was the strongest kingdom in the whole of India is in itself a theory.
Mahavir and Buddha were no god's. Rama was worshipped way before magadha became the most dominant power.
Gods?? they were just saints and not gods and Ram was looked at as an ideal king back then too.
Happy to know that earlier women after getting married would never suddenly change their origin of identities to their married families
I too never consider myself as 'belonging' to my husband's side of family
That is probably only because the dad was the biggest king in the Indian frontiers back then, so she could do as she pleased and her father would back her up.
Marriage unlike today , where it is a bond of love, was back then a social duty, and a feudalistic alliance first. Especially amongst the ruling class
And now caste and region wars start...
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Whenever there is a good thing everyone wants to claim the same.
Gupta vansh or Gupta empire were Magadhi and Biharis , thats why they ruled from Magadha/Patliputra and if they belong to East UP then they would have made capital Ayodhya.
Now enough is enough we Biharis will take our history and pride back.......
All the Gupta Kings belong to Magadha and Bihar....... We will fight for our history and will take our pride back....
Lmao stop doing this rona mayn. Gupta coins , inscription and everything is found in concentration in East UP. First Gupta's inscription is in East UP. And fyi there is a theory of Ayodhya being a Gupta capital as well. Also Patliputra was like a grand city so any king from any region will make it their capital.The truth is we don't where they actually ruled from,even Patliputra being is a theory only It's now about who is Bihari who is Purvanchali, these identities didn't even existed back than. It's a cold truth.
@@aryanjaiswal8935No Gupta rulers were from Bihar and Patliputra was the capital of Gupta Dynasty. Yes Ayodhya was important city for Gupta dynasty because Samudra Gupta King 2nd son (ChandraGupta II) was brought up in that city.
Samadra Gupta King mother was from Licchavi clan. Everywhere in Historical books and Wikepedia it is written that Patliputra was the capital of Magadha.
No where it is written that Ayodhya was the capital of Guptas.
This youtuber i am watching since very beginning he is having some kind of allegies with us thats why he is detroying our history.
In one of the video he was claiming that King Bimbisar originally belong to Punjab and not of Magadha which is tottaly not justified...........
@@Ayushk_sinha Gupta ruler were not from Bihar and we don't know what Gupta capital was. Samudragupta mother was from Licchavi clan yrs and yes Patliputra was the capital of Magadh but here we are taking abt Gupta's not Mahajanpadic Magadha. This UA-camr just tells facts also where did he said Bimbisara is from Punjab?? He lit only mention scholaly consensus and the truth is that Guptas were not from Bihar.
@@aryanjaiswal8935 No 110% Gupta dynasty was from Bihar and Patliputra was the capital of them and from there they have ruled the whole India. It is very strange that how come u people are denying from the fact that Guptas were not from Magadh. Several buddhist scholar books have mentioned that Guptas capital was Patliputra and that is Patna.... No where it has been mentioned that they were from Ayodhya........
East UP aur Bihar waise bhi bohot similar hai🥱 purvanchal log mathura ke braj waasi se zyada sambandh bihari bhojpuri se rakhte hai.
Ye vivaad faltu ka hai
Confusion Everywhere ... PHD not enough
Dear viewers,, Gupts k vern ki baat ho rhi hai h n ki jati to kripya apni jati se relate n kre... Khud ko itna kabil banay ki tmhe log us jati se relate kre... Dhanyavaad
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Manusmriti was written during the later classical period of Sanskrit . Kalidasa's Sanskrit is older. Besides, there is no authentic text. In fact, the science of editing never existed in India. Brahman was not a caste . One who knew Brahman ( ब्रह्मण् ) was Brahman lt was not a caste.
अवध में पूरा पूर्वांचल आता था जिनमे ईस्ट up पूरा बिहार
I think you misunderstood Govindgupt with Ghatotkachgupt in the last part
Sahi baat hai eastern up is right
North India ko Patna sa control karna mushkil thaa
Eastern UP hi hoga par Patna se mauryas aur Sher Shah Suri ne control kiya tha.
Palas ne Bengal se control kiya tha
@@randomturd1415Even Palas ne apna ek capital Patliputra banaya after winning it aur do Bengal mein jisme se ek jaha se origin tha.... because wo log bhi basically Gupta Empire ke descendants the i.e West Bengal, Bihar, Awadh and purwanchal aur Chattisgarh ke log ek hi the. Ye sab regional distinction Ujjain Rajputs ke wajah se issue hua . Waise East Up ka adha bihar ke bhojpur ka part tha which later divided. Kashi se Arra ke logon ko purabia bola jaata tha and they were famous for Strong Fighting skills
Bhai Mauryan empire consider kiya bolne se pehle jo patliputra se Afghanistan tak control kr lete the. 😂
R.C. Majumdar has said that Gupta were vaishyas with humble beginnings and then acquired the kingdom to become Kshatriya Varna. This JNU PhD of course wants to perpetuate the myth of rigid caste system. *sigh*
Only the Maharaja could issue gold coins; the rest of the smaller kings could issue coins in silver/copper. Only if these smaller kings wanted to put up a show of 'hume chahiye aazadi' type if challenge would they dare to issue gold coins in their own name.
This very ancient tradition of the rules and symbols of Kingship and Authority was followed even in the West and in West Asia by those 'kings' and nobles (who were essentially long lost, disconnected, renegade--or just pretenders and upstarts--kith and kin of the Bharatiya raj-vansh).
Watch what happens and who all comes to His durbar when the pran-pratishtha of the Bhagwan Sri Ram mandir takes place. (Those who don't, well....)
If u really want to know about gupta empire .do it ur self .
Majority of this kind of podcasts r paid for creating political narratives
Mitron like kare..
Unfortunately, historians have been more about speculation, imagination and in all probability, falsification. It will be more appropriate to classify their works as fiction and these should never be used as research reference.
It will be more appropriate to depend upon original source materials like inscriptions, archeological artifacts, original ancient Sanskrit texts etc.
When will next episode of guptas release
Gotra of Vakatak is Vishnuvriddha Gotra.
Lichchavis were the kings of Nepal in this period
Just kathmandu valley not whole Nepal
@@swasg3521 No. It extended beyond, new evidences have been founf in Udaypur district in the east also
@ShishirAcharya-sd4gi so just eastern nepal aswell?
@@swasg3521 In Mandeva's inscription and Mauryan records Nepal was larger than tha
@@ShishirAcharya-sd4gi Khasa/khas were rules of western Nepal
I am jaiswal a branch of gupta and we are वैश्य or baniya
@stboys1932 gupta also use jaiswal as title main hu is liye mujhe pata hai 😏
@stboys1932 what about chandra gupta maurya ?
Wo aapne raja ka title use kr raha hoga 😏 raja ko impress karne k liye
@stboys1932 agar wo rahte to proudly mention karte jaise baaki brahmin aur kshatriya raja karte hai but they didn't.
@stboys1932 apni nani ka rishta nahi batate aapna batate
It seems like there is a lot of speculation for the most part.
These people will never make videos on Chalukyas, Rashtrakutas, Vijaynagar Empire, etc
If jodha married akhbar so rajput were muslim😂
Next episode jalde banaya
drop video with Bharat_Karnad
Pls read about naga of bastar ruler.
पांचवीं शताब्दी के अंत तक भारत में सरनेम नहीं था । वर्णाश्रम व्यवस्था ७वीं शताब्दी में आई । सच्चे मायने में भारत का पहला इतिहास John Mill ने लिखा था। अंग्रेजी भाषा में सरनेम ज्यादा महत्वपूर्ण है क्योंकि प्रथम नाम किसी संत का होता है।
आपका discourse ज्ञान वर्धक है । बहुत बहुत धन्यवाद।
Where is or was Patliputra? Gorakhpur, Basti , Varanasi or Azamgarh? Your topic is ridiculous .
where is or was prayagraj ?
Patliputra became the later capital of Guptas.
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It means Ashoka ka koi influence nahi tha , kyuki unke baad koi dusra Ashoka naam ka ruler nahi milta
All the pillars and inscriptions were by him
Bhai ashoka ka influence japan tak tha😅 aur uske baare mein around 1200AD tak likha gya hai , ispar jayvardhan ji ki khud ki ek video hai
he had influence but he was cruel and rigid , people name their childs name on great people { great by work and deeds }
@@manikrohmetra9401 way more children or places are named after Ashoka than chandragupta
Right,Ashok ke baad kisi bhi Dynasty me Ashok naam ka king nahi milta par chandragupta mil jata hai..
Enka sath podcast jldi jldi kro
Devi Chandra Gupta is Dhruvaswamini............????
Caste system was not very rigid in older times
Or there was no caste system? Casta is quite literally a Portuguese word it meant European slave system instituted in Europe by the church and later exported to European "colonies'
It became Rigid during Guptas and all societal ills, feudalism of india took over North India till Harsha came to throne. Due to these stangnant society . India was bound to fall to islamic invadors who were Progressive in many aspect in those days.
@@GuzzarAwan caste system was introduced by indianised peoples of foreigners huns and sythicians
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Purvanchal = Bihar both culturally & linguistically....kya fark padta h, ethnicity to same hi h n & Samundragupta in his inscription identify himself (maternal) as the son of licchavis (ruler clan of modern vaishali in Bihar). so technically doesnt make any sense to distinguish Purvanchal & Bihar as both Bihar & Purvanchal are same region in all aspect even in topography (lies in middle ganga basin).
No you are wrong not whole purvanchal is same as Bihar
@@ShubhamKumar-vd9xy whole purvanchal is same as Bihar whole purvanchal was part of cour Magadh cour Magadh means modern day eastern up bihar majority of jharkhand and some part of Bengal
@@ShubhamKumar-vd9xy there was no purvanchal back then not even as a mahajanpad
Kashi and prayag were part of Magadh back then
@@midfielderlounge2592 go and learn history areas until Kashi are parts of kosala empire 🤣places below that maybe share similarity with you but guess what due to your down image they don't want to associate themselves with you 🤣🤣
@@midfielderlounge2592 no it was never 🤣🤣🤣kashi prayag ayodhya all are part of kosala empire
After some time he will say that modi is also kshatriya😂
@stboys1932 A. S. Altekarh historian ne prove kiya hai ki vo vaishya the but ye
Kuch bhi bol raha hai is liye maine likha hai sarcasm tha 😏
@stboys1932 what about mauryas ?
@stboys1932 pahli baat tum adivasi ho nahi varna ye sab paragraph nahi likhte aur dusri baat main nahi historian bol rahe hai .ham log gupta british rule se bhi pahle se use kr Rahe hai aaj k nahi hai .Aur brahmin jo sharma the wo Sengupta aur gupta british time mein use karna shuru kiye the
@stboys1932Martha ek warrior community thi jo bahut baad mein develop hua to usme bahut sare community ke log ho sakte hai jo baad mein martahe kahlaye
Vakatak belongs to Naga Dynasty. Actually Tak means Nag. In our history Maurya, Sakya, Lichchavi, Nand ets are all decendant from Naga Dynasty of India.
Nag clan Kshatriyas
Lol... all the dynasties ruling from Patliputra were essentially originated in and around the region of Patliputra. So were Mauryas, so were Guptas and even before all of them Mahapadmnanda also had a huge empire controlling it from Patliputra. He has been called 'Ekrat' or the only king in puranas as he had defeated every other king of India.
There is no reason why someone from Purvanchal would shift his capital to Pataliputra when Patliputra had ceased to be a political and commercial centre for 400-500 years at that point.
1:13:10 Bhai ko pata hi nahi ki Pushyamitr Shunga kon they?
Bhai yeh shunga period wale pushmitr ki baat nhi ho rhi hai , he is talking about pushmitr of gupta period which probably a tribe
@@mayankdubey2006 ohhk maybe
Kushan never had until Bihar or even East UP
Bilkul sahi..
Vakatako ka Gotra Vishnuvriddha tha.
Ye kya nai baat hai sab jaante hain
As if purvanchal is in Canada 😅
Gupta kyasth the yahi sahi hai ..
Puri history hi 90% speculation hai ...
Ancient history to speculation hi hai.
Modern aur Medieval mein facts hai
@@sumitdutta7043 Medieval Bhi Twisted Hai ... Are yaha Present times k News bhi Fake Hote hain Toh history toh dur ki baat hai
Please invite Rajeev ranjan prasad in your show. He also has a channel in his name.
Pls read kp jayswals book on nagas. He says guptas were not the greatest, the nagas were
It is also known as vaishya dynasty😂
What is there to laugh in it?
@@ChaiKaPyala it is true that it is called vaishya dynasty. I was laughing at the video in which he was trying to prove that they were not वैश्य.
@@warmachine2384plzz give me proof from inscriptions coin etc
But Bihar have both part purvanchal magadh is mostly the eastern son river to falgu to kiyul river is magadh and western sone river bank is bhojpuri speaking which is purvanchal
Kindly list out main sources regarding , architecture
I have always doubted where did these great empires guptas,mauryas lost in antiquity...
Surely the emergence of Bhumihars and (awadhi and Purvanchali)Rajputs have big relation with these dynasties...
After all where they originated, the land grants,feuadal lords and big land holders are bhumihar and Rajputs.
Sadly with arya samaji and sanskritisation some sub altern communities like kacchi, koeri changed their surnames to get some social mobility.
Purabiya thakurs are actually the descendants of Guptas. This is also what i strongly believe
@@mahanirvaantantrathakurs were brit agents who started to style themselves as kings. Do you think actual ksahtriyas would have fell for brit caste baiting against laborers. Haha
Even before brits and mughals thakurs were landowners.
And what the fuck is this actual kshatriyas, as if they were some DIVINE BEINGS, they were humans like anybody...
Even brahmins fell for british agents
Then why no bhumihar or thakur in Bihar or UP has title of maurya or Gupta ?? Speculation to kuch bhi kar do 😂😂 bhumihar call themselves as Brahmin for social mobility too though they got stuck between Brahmins and Kshtriyas. And most have title of roy or Rai some adopted Singh again to show themselves as rajputs .
Bhumihar are often laughed at in various castes 😂😂 .
Also most land with them are due to Brit policy. In Punjab haryaana jutt and jat became dominant zamindar due to British. Jaats do were farming community but they were loosing farms rapidly to lalas/Baniyas . They rebelled so Brtis banned all other caste to own land there. Similarly Brits permanent settlement in Bengal Bihar odisha created modern zamindar of india .
Why the hell Gupta became dominant title of Baniyas ?? Is also a big question if Gupta was title of such formidble "kshtriya" empire who ruled for 300 years atleast . Gupta shd have been the default title of kshtriyas after this . But I have not met one kshtriya with this title. Gupta being Brahmin can be understood to a level as Chankya name was also VishnuGupt.
Jay Vardhan Singh would love th3 gupta dynasty to be neither vaishya nor brahmin, so obvious 😂
It is well established that they are vaishya
@@james432ful ironical that VARDHAN was also in the name of the Great Vaish Emperor Harsh Vardhan...🙂
Chitra Gupt had 12 sons. There wives were nag daughters. All gupt are dwij
Ek feedback hai, presentation me speculations aur evidence based facts alag rakhiye. Bada confusion hota hai, kya interpretation hai, kya fact hai, kya speculation hai. Scholarship improve kijiye.
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Historian banne SE pehle naam to dhang se Jan lo.
Gupt empire tha na ki Gupta empire 😏
Tu apna naam shrivastav likh naki shrivastava...
Xutia kahi ka
video on rajput origin history plz
Mix breed dalit origin from 14-15th century
Guptas Dynasty is from vaishya varna once a varna climbs to ruling they mostly call themselves kshthriyas.. marriage cant be a deciding factor as kings used to have intercaste marriage who can oppose them and they also had politicial marriages
lol No Gupta title was taken from ruler by masses, u have got it reverse
They most likely were of non kshatriya origin but weren't vaishyas, don't conflate the Gupta jis of today with Gupts of ancient India, i have personally met Kshatriyas with Gupt (not Gupta) last names who trace their origins from Purvanchal and Avadh and they marry amongst the Rajputs of UP
@@TransgirlsEnjoyer😂😂😂 why the hell kshatriyas or Brahmins didn't took the title 😂😂😂 and only Baniyas who don't have any aspiration to rule but to earn money took the title LOL
@@adrianbelko7683😂😂 I have never met any kshtriya with gupt titles don't make up stories.
Brahmins used Gupt name. Like VishnuGupt
Does Eastern UP really include Awadh? Awadh, with Lucknow/Faizabad as centre, is more like Central UP. Its language is Awadhi and not Bhojpuri.
(13:30) And they are unlikely to be Kshatriyas, because if Kshatriyas had existed in this time, they would have ruled in Punjab also. Even Mauryans weren't Kshatriya either. Kshatriya varna probably ended by the time of Greek invasion. Rajputs arose later after Guptas.
Central up ends after barabanki 😂😂😂uske aage sab east up hai bro
Achha hua k gujrat se hai, ye nh bola.. bihar is the origin of india.
Gupta dynasty is from BIHAR(patna) . Pls not narrate history after 1500 yrs. If capable create history, I & Bihari work for that, we do same in 1857,1975(emergency time).
Where is the proof ? So, now to stay away from bihar create a narrative that guptas were purvanchal LOL.
Very true....100% Gupta Kings were Bihari.....
@@Ayushk_sinha map dekh bihar jaisa kuchh nhi tha tab tak 16 mahajanapadh the
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poorvanchal aur bihar main kya fark hai.....kewal nakse par poorvanchal uttar pradesh main dikh jata hai