Who Actually Made "Friend"?
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It should say a lot that your favorite part of the friend ad was where the person actively decides to not use the product. Great job guys, really selling it here!
I think the purpose of that part of the ad was to show that the person wanted to talk to FRIEND in a moment of discomfort. But at the same time the person was trying to balance that with not wanting to make it uncomfortable for the other person.
To me the main purpose of the scene was to show that FRIEND is there for you in your uncomfortable situations.
Interested in your thoughts and whether you have changed your mind or not :)
@@loading2660 I 100% understand what they're going for! They're trying to make the social anxiety equivalent to a nicotine patch, slowly acclimating you to social situations until you dont feel you need the assistance.
The problem is that this product as-is will not do that for a few reasons. The first and most obvious is that it can't physically speak back to you like a real person. Receiving a text message is not an adequate substitute for a real conversation. Secondly, talking to your necklace and then burying your head in your phone for a response would pull you out of any conversation you're trying to have with anyone else, meaning it makes no sense to wear it in public. Third, AI chat bots don't think like humans, they just word vomit in a way they think sounds like a human. It can't truly understand what it's saying, and tone is incredibly difficult to convey correctly through just text, which if you haven't noticed is a huge part of social interaction.
I understand that what I said was a bit tongue and cheek, but as it looks now I feel that it's less of a tool and more of a crutch, a very shaky one at that.
@@loading2660even if that was the intent, what actually happens is that it gives the impression that she chose to sit in the comfortable silence of her real actual human friend
@@loading2660even if that really was the intent, that it not the impression that comes across from it. Rather, it makes it seem that she chose to stay in the moment with her _actual real physical friend._
@@loading2660yeahhh but in sales and marketing, you don’t want that. You don’t want someone in your ad making a nasty face after tasting something. Same as this. You don’t want to show someone not wanting it. It adds to the negative connotation. It will steer away emotional buyers and some impulse buyers.
Real missed opportunity if they don't release an optional vibrating upgrade called "Friend: With Benefits."
An "AI wearable necklace" is just so confusing to me... Isn't that just your cellphone, that you already keep with you at all times? Especially if you need something like a reminder for later you can just use Hey Google or Siri. "Solving loneliness and anxiety" by talking aloud to an AI is also a wild idea. Get a pet, not an AI necklace.
Idk some people shouldn’t get pets. They just aren’t capable or responsible enough to take care of a pet
well you're also not considering: character AI exists if you really want some sort of AI friend and it's free (and you can call on it lol)
@@brendanmystery well, pet rocks are quite low maintenance
You are insane that last one was so uncomfortable. I was cringing through the entire video.
Honestly the last one felt like an episode of black mirror 😂
I think he meant that it’s the best bc of how real felt, even the part where she wants to text her by touching the necklace then stopping herself
What if it’s all fake and they just wanna build up publicity
My thought exactly throughout the whole video, the disstrack is a dead giveaway imo 😅
I didn't consider that but now you mention it, that could very much be the case lol
considering he had the cease and desist for the ‘humane’/‘whomane’ thing makes it believable, but ‘friend’ is literally so broad too; like “oh i named my circle device ‘sphere’”
I do like Stanz's takes here because both Nik and Avi are cringe as hell but I have a bit of disagreements with some of the framing around open source/hackathon projects.
Regarding security, end-to-end encryption not being implemented is obviously not good if you're selling a product and going to market. However, if you're building a product in a day, this is very low on the list of priorities, and Nik is framing this as something that you would host yourself. I.e. in non-tech speak, Nik is not selling you anything, and Nik would not be able to see any of your conversations because you would run this on your own computer(s).
Regarding stealing ideas: I think this is a line that's different for different people, but generally I don't really care if an individual is "stealing" an idea from a company because the company always has more resources to make their product better than anything a single person or small team can make. Like Nik's framing is actually something I kind of agree with, which is that AI wearables that you buy for 100$ and then pay 20$ every month to use is really cringe when the actual tech is so shoddy. Implementation is 99% of where the value proposition of tech lies ("I have a great idea for an app", etc): like youtube copying tiktok might be scummy, but also youtube shorts clearly is worse product, so it's clear that the idea only gets you so far anyways.
I agree on both points. I actually think a self hosted always listening AI agent would be useful if done right. Imo chat bots are kinda corny, but a search bar for things that happened in your day would go a long way in helping people with bad memory. It's going to be a while until someone gets it right but I think Nik's version at least was an attempt. Avi's companion idea just seems useless and dystopian at the same time.
6:31 Commenters Note: I wish i was there to tell the editor how wrong they were. Stanz is 100% correct here.
Definitely. That looks like interractions between two extremely anxious ppl that ive seen a few times trying to muster up the courage to say something or being really uncomfortable becuz they dont know what to say. It felt weird about how Friend fit in, but the actual scene felt realistic and if Friend did work, i think itd be more like that than the other by miles.
Ur a psycho that has never interacted with another human?
I feel like it says a lot that the part of the ad that seemed the most heartful was the one where the girl actively chooses NOT to use the friend, its like good in a 'wow this is a real human moment' kinda way but it was absolute dogshit in a 'why the fuck would this make me want your product' kinda way
@@rishi2131 lol ya thats why it feels weird. Its the most real but it doesnt help the brand. Its like when some marketing team just shows something interesting and at the end u have no idea who it was from or what they do.
Lemme preface by saying i think the product is not good. But I think the idea they were trying to show is that she used friend for a long time bringing it to the secret spot talking to it etc. And then it "helped" her work up the courage to talk and begin communication with others. Kind of a bridge between loner and first real friend
I might be in the minority, but I kinda want an always listening AI model, as long as it isn't connected to the internet (which both of these fail). It would be cool to have a database of summarized versions of conversations, what I was doing, who I met, etc that I could later search through. I could just look up anything I happened to forget. I don't even want a chat, just a really good search bar. I think my memory is pretty ok now, but I know its not going to stay that way forever so I feel like such a system would be useful for a lot of people. I don't think privacy is a huge issue if you never store audio recordings and never let data leave your device. Also even though Nik may not be a good person I think its morally ok for people to copy tech products like Nik did if they are making them open source. I don't see him copying Avi as a problem - most tech products are a copy of something that came before.
seperate from their dumb and useless products, Avi and Nik are individually cringers. It's obvious why Nik is, but Ari seems like the exact guy who just knows how to attach himself to successful things even if he's not doing that much work. The covid website's a great example: the numbers are what matters, and the presentation is mostly marketing and UI design. Obviously those things matter, but what he did isn't hard to do, he just happened to do it soon enough and bubble to the top. "I'm will solve loneliness and anxiety in one product" says it all. He seems like yet another smart person who's actually as dumb as the average person in most domains but has the social capital to do a wide range of things he doesn't really know about. He will likely be fine after all of this, maybe move onto some other project about LLM solutions to interpersonal relationships and intrapersonal issues. Wouldn't be surprised if he's on a project like "making therapy more accessible via AI" which is just AI therapists, then acquired by BetterHelp for 30 mil 1.5 years after establishment.
It's weird hearing you go through this without your friend.
profiting on this plagiarized parasocial pal is particularly preposterous
Stanz, Nik coding open source alternatives to products doesn't make him look bad, it is literally nothing like selling code you didn't write.
1:38 Me when i see Stanz new hair cut lol 😂jk
Im so fucking tired of the tech industry and I work in it
The commercial at 5:33 is actually a bold statement. The product is kinda dumb for most people but for those people who have high social anxiety and find it difficult to start new friendships I could actually see this being useful. The boldness of the commercial comes from its message of being a product(not unlike how vapes/fum are advertised) that you will eventually not need to use. I honestly see this being a welcomed, albeit niche, medical device that could be given to you by a therapist.
It already exist on every phone. And guess what? No therapist is recommending that dogshit. Your idea of what therapy is very wrong lmao
haircut looks great on you
I'm on this meepo69 guys side for no particular reason
I like the guy who made it first better. He may be cringe but at least he’s not stealing from others and trying to play it off as if everything was out of his control when he actively profited personally from others’ work. Thank you for this video but I was expecting something a bit more unbiased, as someone who knows neither person, it seems like you’re all over Avi and I can’t work out why (forgive me if he’s your boyfriend).
thiel fellows are a little different than what you described: basically, peter thiel pays teenagers 100k to drop out or not go to college. generally attracts quite a weird bunch (like the founder of ethereum, for instance), but they're not uniformly awful ghouls like vance
Aww, friend 👍 Football friend 😁👍
…So these guys are smart enough to make this shit… yet they act like 11 year-old’s… huh? Diss track? Threatening a fight? My lord my head actually hurts from this information.
22:48 “Tech CEOs talking like Naruto in private conversations”
dude i never almost laugh at youtube videos but this killed me 💀 I WILL solve loneliness, I WILL become the hokage! BUHHHLIEVE IT
Humane straight out of a black mirror episode
These wearable ais definitely need to be iterated further before they have any actual use, so an open source version sold for little profit is far better than the super overpriced garbage that other companies are trying to sell. A cheap open source device is at least much better than basically buying a second phone without all the features of a phone. I guess phones are too large and heavy to be around your neck all day and couldn't hear you from your pocket... But we have earbuds that most people are already using that have microphones built in that go for cheaper than this device, wired or wireless.
I don't believe we need a permanent ai assistant to listen to your entire day, but I do think that this could evolve into something of use to some group of people - maybe something like intelligent noise control for people that get overwhelmed easily, filtering out background noise but relaying conversations directed to the wearer, and possibly summarising or slowing down those conversations for people with intellectual disabilities. Edit: Stanz mentioned the possible benefits for such people, but that tools already exist in that space, which I guess makes sense but I'm not aware of those tools so maybe an ai necklace would still be redundant.
okay all you need to know about Nik.... is "Thiel fellow" to stay far far far tf away from anything relating to data with this guy. put it this way, Pete Thiel own a company named Palentir, and if you are a lord of the rings nerd, that sets off red flags. He is also responsible for, JD Vance who has said he wants taxes for people who DONT HAVE KIDS. because of their Christian beliefs, so literally creating a secondary class of citiven based on his Christian ideology.
I mean we have something similar already in most western countries. You get tax relief if you have children.
If they renamed it to "peanut gallery" it would be so much better
why is he being ludwig in this one?
wait what the fuck where’d the stache go
Next AI product: Solar Panels in your shoes to listen in on all your conversations in an open source environment (for extra security) it will definitely work and will not only increase your productivity but also, be your pedometer, walking buddy, and possible Lover?????
Its name: The Walkman
The AI girlies are fighting and nobody's winning
Stanz are u in aarvel snap alliance would u like to join mine
What is this 20th Century Boys.
Not Stanz with the Atrioc cut. 😞😞
this reminds me of an animated short film on YT called “Best Friend” where they replace real human interaction with fake AI friends under a booming company called “Best Friends.” It is a dystopian tale that shows how in the most connected era of technology, we are getting more and more isolated and lonely. its slowly becoming more and more true every damn time i see an ugly ass tile using the buzzword “AI” to clickbait a mini best friend in your pocket
The roof scene is so funny to me. It's got the exact same energy as when men pretend to care about astrology whatsoever to pick up girls lmao
Why tf is everyone talking about project 25
I just realised chatGPT probably wrote the diss track
Stanz knows Dota? +Respect
21:13 WaxNumen is a person after my own heart lol. Pretty much how i feel about it
God forbid AI is involved in stealing
I thought you were going to say Nik and Avi are the same person...
5:48 - those are ALL artificial intelligence, right?
Feel like stanz for the first time. No clue what the F this is
Remember when you got a cell phone back in the day and being mind blown that it had a calculator in it? Now these nerds are spending all this time and money trying to turn something that smartphones can already do into a separate product you have to carry around and keep track of 🙄 it's like if apple brought back the iPod. The fuck are we doing here? 🤣
For an always listening device you kinda do need a separate device. Your phone won't let you continuously record and even if it could it isn't optimized to do so, so it would drain really fast. It's reasonable to say "why would anyone want an always listening device", but I think it wouldn't be a bad thing if done correctly (i.e. with no data leaving your possession and no audio recordings being saved).
avi schiffmann is a grifter
I would love to see the modern internets take on Tamagotchi if it released today.
Pretty sure it'd be similar
I pray the grifters never rot my brain so much I think an offline-only keychain video game with no recording capabilities is in any way comparable to something like Friend. Get well soon.
Hair on fleek
it just ended up in my hand stanzi...
Not Matt LeBlanc, I thought he was safe!
FIrst real commentator
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this isnt part two :(
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Hey Stanz
i saw this on stream... why did i think this video would be about the show friends?
how about we dont do this instead? millions of dollars saved if we just stop right here
Somebody in chat made a joke about an open source spaceX. And we had that. It was called NASA
L random political tangent bro we dont wanna hear about that