The Otis V key demo and warning about lift surfing (recorded in 2013)
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- (update 2018) This video was not uploaded to promote lift surfing or gaining access to lift shafts. I've removed all other videos that may incite others to follow this activity.
'When' someone is killed on top of a lift trying to follow other channels, I don't want MY channel involved in the media frenzy and investigations that will follow.
A life is a life, things become very serious when one is taken away whilst trying to follow what we do here on youtube.
Imagine if that was someone very close to you? Then, it's not fun anymore, it's not funny, it's not clever, it's just irresponsible.
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I recorded this video in 2013 but never uploaded it. However, as it's connected with a movie that I have just uploaded for Urban Harvey Exploration about lift keys, I thought I'd make it public.
This is dangerous stuff. Here I'm just showing you that, if you stand on a lift car roof just TWO of the dangers. There are many more dangers though, so please don't mess around with lifts.
WARNING:
Don't attempt anything shown in this video for your own safety. When things go wrong, they go wrong very quickly and if you are not in control you're going to be injured or could even die.
I wish there was a ride in this lift, the voice is fantastic and so cheerful! I watched this video about 5 times just to hear the voice!
+Knuckles the Echidna Also see here... ua-cam.com/video/9tOB_i6BqW8/v-deo.html ;) You can hear it many many times now :D
+TheElectricnoob I would rather not limit myself to old unmodified lifts, I like Modern electronics in lifts too. Also the F word you used was pointless and made you type an extra word 🙂
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Old lifts are amazing to me. They just have that feeling, but the talking ones are almost impossible to spot in my country (I think that they are not annoying, they just say the floor number), but maybe, in the future there will be some kind of smart AI lifts that will recognize speech and do a lot of other things, including making the passenger go 0-FULL ANGER in just a few seconds).
Another safety tip: If you get stuck in the elevator itself and it's halfway off the floor when you pull the inner door open, DON'T try to get yourself out! When the repair tech or fire department comes, they will make absolutely 105% sure that it cannot move, before they start guiding you out.
Without someone to verify the brake is engaged and the power to the motor is cut, it's possible the elevator could start again, you could get squished! If you were climbing "down and out" there's also the gap below the elevator that you could fall into.
Usually if you're that far off the floor for climbing out to be hazardous, the interlock will prevent the outer door from opening anyway.
Even if the elevator IS lined up with the floor, if the computer detects that the brake isn't engaged it generally won't open the door, to prevent people from getting injured or killed. Forcing the door open overrides this. Frankly the voice (if equipped) should start saying "please let go of the door and wait for help, self-rescue could cause injury or death"
Wrong on first tip. In old lifts you have to gain access to motor room and spin the motor wheel, On new lift you have to use the free fall button until its level with floor, then open door with logic cabinet
@@lucasthings m pretty sure that when opening the door the lift puts it self on "safety mode" where the lift is safety broken. plus u must hope it doesnt lock.
It seems to be a very happy lift :D "going down *yepee*"
One misstake, you must check if the shaft door protection works before getting on top of the lift ( when you send the lift to go down wait till it closes the doors and wait about few secs but make sure to open the landing doors before the lift got to the floor you sent it, if you do it correctly, and if evrything is functioning properly, the lift shoud do an emerg.stop)
Could I please ask how you obtained this information (are you an engineer?). This is quite important as if you have not been professionally trained then you are passing on information and I don't know where from. Also, the information is irrelevant as at no time did I get on top of the lift. In fact, the video is about NOT getting on top of lifts.
Sorry about my previous reply, because I kind of knew already where you obtained the information and it wasn't a very friendly reply.
I have had to remove your 'next' response because I don't want the person mentioned on my channel.
This person is making assumptions based on his experiences which is not something I recognise. I respect people from the industry who have been trained over the years and witnessed the consequences of performing risks and what can go wrong.
I'm appalled by some of the "supposedly safe" content uploaded on that channel, especially with kids surfing lifts which is naive, irresponsible and if any of those kids came to harm then I cannot even imagine the trouble he would be in with the parents of these kids (AND the police).
So I'm sorry, but I won't be taking ANY advise from that channel.
Anyway, thanks very much for watching and have a nice evening :) Matt
No problems Matt! You are totally right for that person! You're such a nice person! Bye!
aww thanks Mr G Town :) :)
@@mrmattandmrchay would you say your attitude to lift surfing has changed since 2013?
Do not ride on to of lifts unless you are an engineer. That is a very good rule!
Definitely and good advice.
When you are trained as a lift engineer, the TRAINER tells you the dangers and what people need to do to be safe. People that think they know the dangers without any training are arrogant and irresponsible.
I've been an engineer since I was 16 years old (I'm 44 now). Not with lifts, but still, I am COMPETENT not fully qualified and I'm always learning from others.
mrmattandmrchay So you know how to surf a lift safely. Because you were a lift engineer once. That is very good. And another thing; I am very glad you didn't take Chay with you.
He was never a lift engineer
BattytecVideos sure
I'm an engineer, but I don't get paid
3:59 I legit thought it was gonna say LIFT ON FIRE
Screen: Lift........... on......... fire
Bystander: OH $#!7 (Pulls fire alarm)
Screen:...........control
Bystander: OH $#!7
Lol
loving the enthusiastic lift voice :D
Yes, that was great
Can you film a ride inside of this elevator? It looks vintage, I see some original fixtures.
+upanddownadventures I have already filmed this with +HarriHealey02 +ratedparental but never uploaded it. It's actually had a part-modernisation and I got bored editing it! LOL. It is on the list, I will get round to it eventually
4 years later...... haha
@@dominikkarkowski 6 years later....... Haha
The voice seems joyful!
Are blue doors lifts usually Otis? I remember when I was a kid there was a shop me and my family used to go to that had an old lift that I always wanted to go in but my mum was always saying "we don't need to because here's an escalator". My sister went in it once when she went out with friends but by the time I got to go back there, it had been upgraded to a new one.
I remember it having light blue doors that one went inside the other as it opened, there was a small window in the left side door (left when seen from outside) and they seemed to clatter and squeak when the doors opened.
From what my sister has said, it had square metal buttons which lit a dim (possibly red) square around the button but went out when you took your finger off, the floor was black and the walls were a dark metallic grey (possibly patterned steel from her description), the light had a fluorescent bulb and had a cover that was flush with the ceiling. I think it might be a Thysenkrupp now but I want to find out what the original was and if there are any left that are nearing their end of life date.
I had a few locations that I can think of with different doors, but were probably the same manufacturer. Years ago, there was a lift with red doors in an old cinema in Aylesbury that I can remember. Dimly lit inside and I think it had a carpet.
The answer is, there is no rule regarding door colours as it depends what the customer wanted at the time of installation. Doors can be painted any colour I guess.
The parts of a lift that can help determine who the manufacture was are: doors with windows (each manufacturer had their own style of window and position of the window) and of course the buttons and floor indicators.
Thyssenkrupp I think is from the 2000s and used to be just Thyssen before that (1980s onwards). The square metal buttons you are referring to might be these...
ua-cam.com/video/3NvQI2HJgXA/v-deo.html
Most of these buttons don't light up (bulbs blown I guess) but these were very common throughout the 1980s and were used by a lot of "generic" companies.
Where is the location you are talking about?
Problem is, once lifts are removed then it's all about trying to find someone that knows that information. People don't really care a lot about old lifts, and wouldn't notice the level of detail we are talking about.
It had a door that half slid inside the other half, the window was one of those that is about 4 inches wide and 12 inches tall (only big enough to see if it's on that floor). I think the one there now is a KONE so not sure if the old one was by the same company but it has doors that split from the middle now and they are silver. I will try and get more details off my sister but she would've been about 12 or 13 when she went in it.
You didn’t even verify safety or inspection ！ when you send the lift to the floor below break safety with your key, then check the lift stops, then turn on inspection, close the doors and call the lift, if it stays, you are good. Also, when moving the lift for the first time, go up a little first, if you go down, you risk not being able to reach the door rollers to alight from the car top. Not a good demo, but you’re lucky to have a V key 🔑;)
Could I please ask how you obtained this information (are you an engineer?). This is quite important as if you have not been professionally trained, or obtained the information from someone that has, then I'm afraid your comment is not credible. It's a bit like Chay telling me how I should drive.
Excellent video.
Cool old lift too. I like those old round buttons.
Those rails on the top that the cables are attached to is what engineers use
It is probably where they would stand, but this is the car frame and doesn't offer much protection.
you actually made a mistake, say that for example inspection mode does not work, how do you reach the door operator then, seen as the lift is too far down? You always should stop the lift before it is on the floor below you, so you can still open the door of the lift Shaft if inspection mode does not work
you could sit on the carsling but then you would have to reach around the cables
I REALLY want a video of this lift. Do you have any clips of going in it? I would like to see them.
yep, I have some footage of this lift. Inside it's a bit creepy. It's another video waiting to be edited but I've always got better videos to do that leap-frog this one.
OK.
I was lucky enough to get a glimpse of the lift shaft at a college I used to go to (there were some people doing some work or something on one of the lifts, and I was stood opposite the lifts on the ground floor, so I was able to see into the shaft, as they had the shaft door open, the lift car was on the floor above)
Any idea what sort of lift it was?
@@Lift.Tracker a modern day schindler of some sort, which had dewhurst buttons and floor displays
one day i did manage to sneak up to the 5th floor (the highest floor the lifts serve) and they did appear to be MRLs
the lifts serve floors G, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
the building has floors B, G, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
there is also a service lift, which appears to serve the same floors as the other lifts, and from what i overheard it sounds like it also used to go down to B, but no longer does
ive never been to 6, but from looking at the outside of the building it seems as though floor 6 is more like a roof level with a few rooms on it
Shouldn't it be -1 -3 -5 not 135
Why was there a 60s otis button on 0:28 ?
Don't rely on any safety features! The fences I have encountered are often flimsy pieces of sh!t. I do believe that showing the dangers, and how to do it safely is important, otherwise the internet is flooded with people who think putting "my videos are not a tutorial" is enough to stop people copying, because if someone wants to go on top of a lift, they will likely do it anyway, so better that they do it somewhat safely than recklessly.
I disagree. If people want to take the risk, then it's up to them. But if they were attempting to follow a 'how to surf a lift video' and were injured or killed in the process, then let's hope it's not yours that they copied. Uploading a lift surfing video shows them things they may find interesting and then want to do. How many kids do you know that do everything you tell them? Sometimes, telling them the dangers may have the reverse effect and make them want to experience a bit of risk and adventure. Such as this...
ua-cam.com/video/G49HsVD0gcw/v-deo.htmlsi=vBC2KCmnONB_k110&t=586
Strange that the floor indicator said LIFT ON FIRE CONTROL instead of LIFT OUT OF SERVICE. Did you filmed that lift?
+IDLift3000 Yep, it's on my long list of videos to be edited, but I have much more interesting stuff to upload before this one :)
There was one part of this which i disagree on: "they will confiscate your key". No they won't. That's illegal. You should NEVER give someone one of your possesions just becuase they make you out to be in the wrong. You have purchased it, it is your item, they cannot take it from you. That is called stealing. Even if you were using it in a wrongful manner, even if the manner was illegal (which lift surfing isn't), they legally CANNOT take it.
THAT SAME ELEVATOR WITH THAT TAPE HEAD AND DOOR OPERATOR
1:16 “LEVEL FIVE”
4:39 - Will they really?
Which are the dangerous parts of the elevator roof and what will happen
The only persons on top of a lift should be people that have been trained and are aware of the dangers AND HAVE BEEN TRAINED on the dangers.
Lifts are very heavy machines. There are lots of things that can get you injured and killed, and I people on youtube are showing this as a FUN activity, and PLEASE don't get involved with them. The serious part is, we only have one life and things can go wrong very quickly when on top of a lift.
Dangers are: Entrapment, being crushed against something that you've got too near, decending counterweight, falling, touching something electrical - electric shock. The thing is Adithya, during the training of being a lift engineer the trainer would tell you many more things that even "I" am not aware of. Some lift engineers have told me about trained lift engineers being killed doing their job when they thought they were safe.
When ever I feel inclined to film on top of a lift (which hasn't been for a LONG time now) I put a tripod on it.
Just wondering how old you are? Please don't consider doing anything inside a lift shaft.
Have a nice day :)
Sounds like you really don’t want us to do it. And I do understand what you’re saying. But it is people’s rights to make the decision to take this risk. But what they need to understand is: it is a risk that they are taking. And if you decide to take that risk, don’t put anyone else in danger. It is very important for people who are making these videos, to have a bit in the description warning people of the dangers. And telling them not to copy what they see without prior knowledge on how to do so safely. I think that this is a very important thing and is done frequently on my favourite UA-cam channel which will remain unnamed. I am glad that you are giving this warning, many lives could be saved.
an ordinary elevator, nothing dangerous if you stand straight on the cabin
0:58 “LEVEL THREE”
have you ever come across a burnt out lift motor or one that is about to go bad?
Good question, but first lets see what makes up a motor. It's basically a load of electromagnets powered by electricity. When power is applied to them, then yes, the wires that are coiled around and around to 'make' the electromagnet will get hot. It normally relies on the turning of the motor to create a fan that cools them down. A lot of larger motors have a separate fan mounted to them that is connected to a thermostat - if the motor is hot, the fan runs. So in extreme cases, if the motor had power and it never turned, then the wires could heat up enough to start burning through the insulation around the wires. Then you'd get some smoke. After enough insulation had burnt off, then you'd end up with the winding wires shorting out, which would blow a fuse in the cabinet. The other thing to consider are the bearings that keep the motor turning freely. The more wear and tear, the more fraction and there is another potential source of heat.
So in answer to your question, the answer is no. A motor burn out is very rare and would result from years and years of lack of maintenance. But it's unlikely that a motor would just suddenly turn bad, there would be plenty of opportunity to see a motor turning bad before it did. Also, old motors are reused on lift modernisations as well.
Which location and Where’s this lift to and is still an Otis lift or has it been fully modernised or replaced
Its an underground car park near Trafalgar Square in London, but it was modernised about 3-4 years ago now.
could you call the lift with the classic buttons as well? I'm not sure they would have any grounds to confiscate the key.. could they?
+bitmadmax The classic buttons do work. There is one on the bottom floor with the up arrow lamp as well (call panel). Not sure about the key confiscation, but don't plan to get caught to find out ;)
o you could also fall between the lift ar and the wall
excellent video
keep up the good work !
+Ben McKenna Thanks Ben, and you have made the first comment on this video!
I've got a Key for our Lifts in Germany I was riding some of them
Don’t open the door because you will fall down
This video is very informative
Is that the same elevator with the tape reader and the door operator
might be :)
1:13 Level OoOoOnnnne!
Are you've been go in ride it this lift safe, guess?? I'm sure, think you're doing this lift something wrong with it is???
That lift voice sounds creepy
I don't trust lifts I have a deep fear of them so seeing this sends chills down my spine.
is there any asbestos in lift shafts?
+Tom Jardine I would say, probably not, as lift shafts I guess don't need insulating like other parts of the building do.
Years ago asbestos was widely used in many places. There were often panels of it in the lift doors as a part of the fire resistance.
when you send it down to the floor below you did not verify safety
tails gaming Do you have the training or experience to make that comment? The only persons that I will listen to regarding safety are qualified lift engineers
mrmattandmrchay 1. Thx for replying I would except you too 2. I may not be a lift engineer but I am a plant mechanic and I know all about safety on elevators as my brother is one 3. If you watch beno lifts (you have written in an arrival before) you would know that verifying that the safety circuit works otherwise someone would call it and it would start coming up. You can’t just trust it works without testing it. Other than that assessing the dangers and everything else you done correct
mrmattandmrchay also thanks for replying to my comment people on UA-cam don’t using reply to me could you explain how a dc pulsed train works
Hiya, Firstly I always try to reply to everyone. It's just polite - only problem is I currently have 2 weeks worth of comments to reply to :O Last time I replied to the last batch it took me two hours!! So it does take me a while, but I do get to everyone in the end (hopefully).
Good to hear that you have some kind of connection to engineering. Please do not mention the word "safety" and "that channel" in the same sentence because they don't go together. For my job I regularly work with lift engineers (proper, trained lift engineers) for installing card readers and cameras in lift cars AND low level (inputs and outputs) and high level (ethernet) for controlling lifts from the lobby card readers (enter the building - swipe card - calls lift X, sends it to floor Y of the cardholders normal floor - destination dispatch). You may not see the videos because I try not to mix my job activities with my hobby - it's a bad mix (also the lifts are modernised and I don't have a lot of interest in them).
Can you video that one?
If you're under the first floor, then what level is below you?
+Evan Boyd I suppose it would go into minus numbers. -2
+mrmattandmrchay Can you access the bottom of the shaft, via elevator?
NOT RECOMENDED! .. Your "Incident" will be logged in the Lift Control computer AND possibly reported to the building management software!. No one should ever enter a lift shaft illegally.
+DAVESOUNDSMATAMP "logged in the Lift Control computer AND possibly reported to the building management software" Yes this is right, however, how many of these "door lock opened/safety loop opened" Events actually get investigated by an dedicated engineer? In a shopping centre with 24hour security on patrol where the control room staff recognise this condition from the management software, likely. Most of the time, the Event is sitting in the list with hundreds of other events which are waiting to be acknowledged, whilst security are on their iphones doing other stuff to keep them occupied. I'm in the trade and seen it time and time again! I've actually watched lift alarms coming up on the management software and pointed it out to security who are doing other things. Even Otis REM, by the time the Event has filtered through to the people that need to know, you are long gone! I do put warnings in every one of my videos about the dangers, and this video highlights more dangers of doing so.
+benobve Ben, couldn't have said it better myself! I wonder how many lifts Otis monitor? Thousands! If just 1% of these generated a "safety circuit open" condition, that's going to be a whole load of alarms in the alarm stack!! And how many of these are security breaches rather than genuine faults that need a tweak. You'd be very unlucky to be found out by the lift monitoring system. You are more likely to be caught by someone that saw you enter.
+mrmattandmrchay when are you going to surf a lift
Is this lift an old Otis
Yes, but it's had some new parts fitted including cab buttons.
Everyone here not realising that this lift is going "Lift going up!" with an UP arrow... from level 5... then says "level three!" lol
The minus sign (-) is missing!
@@mrender666 and in the voice!
that seems like a challenge but i dont go that exstream even near clifts only time i go exstream is when i go hunting for fair sized rock pools lol
Are you an elevator mechanic to be doing this?
+DieselElevators Not officially, but I've been with elevator engineers in the past, both from doing my youtube channel and I work with lift engineers from time to time during my job. I am an engineer and understand H&S, electrics, electronics, I train other engineers also, but I'm not officially a lift engineer, no.
+mrmattandmrchay Very cool. I thought you were a lift mechanic with all the videos you do. Stay safe and keep the uploads coming.
Were is this lift and is it still alive ?
Yep, as far as I know it's still there. I'll send you a PM if I can
Hmmm, can someone please tell me how to send PMs these days without going into a chat room? The option to send a message isn't there.
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Lift surfing? Firstly it was metro train surfing! I think it very stupid for one not experienced in lift design and maintenance to ride on top of cabins! Other things such as filth, God knows what diseases would be lurking on the roofs of these cabins!...
Holding on to the traction cables is not good either. The natural skin oil that is secreted by the fingertips is acidic. This can begin to corrode the cables and slowly weaken them!
Leaving the landing doors open also presents a hazard to the public at large as they may not see these opened doors and inadvertently fall into the shaft leading to quite obvious consequences!
Inconvenience. Using the lift as a fun toy (surfing) ties them up from other people who need to make use of them. Frankly, I never heard of 'lift surfing' before, is this really a common problem in UK?
Not really, but it depends who is doing it. Kids with no experience or no regard to H&S, people that have no responsibility for their actions ARE a problem.I'm mentioning no names here, because it just seems to encourage them when mentioned
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Cool vid you ar sooooooooo AWESOME
+Egtv Ethangamertv hey thanks for the comment ;)
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