Jayson Stark's HOF Ballot
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Jayson Stark joins Brian Kenny to break down his Hall of Fame ballot for this year's election
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He stopped at 10 because that was the limit. If he had the room, there would be lifelong members of the Toledo Mudhens on his ballot.
Jimmy Rollins definitely deserves to be in the HOF, especially over Maurer!
Jimmy Rollins is not a hof period
David Wright is a HOFer? How?
I wish everyone took as much care with their ballot like he has. Many voters only pick 1 player or none. Its terrible.
He only changed his mind on Jones because his Philly bias was becoming way too obvious. He knew a vote for Rolen, Utley, and Rollins without a vote for Jones would completely expose him if he wasn’t already.
Only thing i have against Beltre is that he was a very good player but just not a great player he never won MVP and was never actually close to it, no WS ring, i would put him in one day but not First ballot, id take Andruw, Wagner and a few others before Beltre. Just imo
Why does no one mentions Andruw Jones’ 400+ home runs!
Guys like them see HRs less of a necessity
Rollins and Utley hall of fame yes go Phillies!!!!! They had a era in the national League from 2007-2011 they were the top contender and favorite to win the national League
They are and we're Hall Of Good, not Hall Of Famers
Voting for Utely and Rollins but not Kenny Lofton or Carlos Delgado lol
No Mattingly but Scott rolen? Or Ritchie Ashburn not Mattingly? It's a f-ing joke
Jimmy Rollins is not a Hall of Famer. Sorry.
100 percent agreed
I agree.
Andruw Jones should absolutely be in, this is horseshit
Andruw came up at 19, not 23, its stupid to punish him for falling of at 30 instead of 33. He was far greater fielder at OF than Ozzie Smith was at SS, their top 10 offensive season are about the same oWAR (just different players - leadoff vs power). If Mauer gets in for 8 good seasons, Albert Belle should be in as well.
Jones had 10 Gold Gloves Mays had 12.
He showed down considerably and was hurt a lot, he hit. 254 and didn't even get 2000 hits, Gold Gloves sometimes are a " reputation award and are overrated, he only had one monster year than weirdly ridiculously dropped off, if this is the argument and debate than people have to look at Jim Edmonds and Kenny Loften.
@@rjperfetto584
Based on the advanced metrics available on Baseball-Reference and Fan Graphs, Jones is the best defensive center fielder in the history of baseball. Using the Baseball-Reference numbers, he saved 235 runs defensively over his career.
And Andruw was playing 162 games a year almost every year in his 20s while tearing up his shoulders making diving catches. A falloff in his 30’s was inevitable and it was the price he paid for being so great in his 20s.
@@rjperfetto584Andruw’s gold gloves were not a reputation award. The eyeball test as well as almost every metric backs up his greatness and is a reason he is regarded as perhaps the greatest defensive centerfielder ever. Also, he blows away Hunter and Edmonds defensively according to the stats.
He should have his vote taken away
His ballot looks pretty solid other than not voting for any steroids users when everyone used them at that time.
@@thebrammerhammer23Rollins, Utley, and wright are not hall of famers
I agree@@t206kid
@@thebrammerhammer23Sheffield is known to have taken " something" so his anabolic debate is a contradiction
Wright is the worst argument, just to keep him on a active ballot is a ridiculous dumb argument, so this is a criteria now, you don't think he's a Hall Of Famer, but I'll vote for him anyway just for a conversational piece. That's why sports writers should have no say on who gets in or not.
Jimmy Rollins was a bad man. Gotta get him in the Hall someday.
Facts 💯💯 He should be in Hall of Fame
Jimmy being overlooked is outrageous, he definitely should be in!
Sorry but a smile doesn't get you in Hof. Rollins, Utley, Jones and Rolen are not Hof candidates Imo.Lets not vote in people just to vote in.
I 100 plus percent agree with you. They are in this " big Hall Of Fame era mindset to make more publicity and more money for the Hall Of Fame itself, a lot of the best players of that era and a debate of all time aren't in because of MLB hierarchy being so " righteous about integrity of the game but then put Bug Selig, the poster boy " of oh I didn't know players were taking anything then when Congress got involved, oh thank you for cleaning up my sport that I couldn't control while smiling his way to a bank somewhere.
There’s more people in the Hall of Fame than not. It’s just worthless.
Helton is a product of Coors Field. Look at his career splits home and away. Outside of Coors he isn't as good as Keith Hernandez. If Helton is in, Keith Hernandez should be in.
Helton had a .287 AVG, 142 HR, .855 OPS and .469 SLG in 3,924 At bats away from Coors. Hernandez had a .293 AVG, 88 HR, .814 OPS, .433 SLG in 3,814 At bats on the road. Helton was a better hitter, Hernandez was better at defense.
Exactly, the hitting numbers are pretty close except Hernandez won an MVP award, came in 2nd and 4th, won 11 gold gloves and was on 2 World Series Teams. My statement stands, Helton is a product of Coors Field. Now that he's in the HOF, Hernandez should be in as well.
World Series is a team effort. Mike Trout has never even made it to a World Series, and he is much better than Helton or Hernandez). Helton was robbed of the MVP in 2000 (He hit .353, with 15 HR, and 1,074 OPS on the road that year).
Helton had more power than Hernandez. From 1998-2004 in Helton's prime, Helton on the road hit .299, with 94 HR averaging about 13.4 road HR per year during that span) That's an average of about 26-27 HR a season if he played for another team. The most homeruns Hernandez hit in a season was 18.
Helton still would have hit 100+ more career homeruns than Hernandez had, if Helton had hypothetically played his entire career for the Mets.
Yes but Helton was a byproduct of the era of juiced up players, balls and bats and stadiums as well, Hernandez played most of his career in a average hitting era of most of the 1970's and all of the 1980's, he played in old Busch Stadium and Shea Stadium, two parks that were more pitching stadiums than hitting parks versus Helton hitting half of his games when he wasn't hurt and this was a big factor at the end and " HIS NUMBERS WENT DOWN DRAMATICALLY after 2003, so that is a telltail sign of something without actually saying it
@@rjperfetto584 Yep, they stopped making the magic clear cream and vitamin B shots after 2003 and Helton became subpar... especially considering he's a 1st baseman in the era in which he played. So a batting title and 5 all-star appearances is what gets you into cooperstown these days... what a joke. No 3000 hits, no 500 home runs. Barry Bonds numbers before he became juiced are far superior to Helton's entire career. I'd vote him in and Keith Hernandez before I'd even consider Helton.