History of Hull: Watercourses - Cottingham Drain and Cottingham & Newland Beck
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2022
- The path and history of two of West Hull's most prominent old watercourses, both of which start near Cottingham and ploughed through the city, and now are nowhere to be seen apart from in green verges and the shapes of nearby roads and buildings!
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This is way more interesting than I thought it would be. I love how there is so much history hidden in plain sight!
Glad to surprise you!
I remember seeing where Cottingham Drain and Beck crossed on Cottingham Road on like a wooden trestle - as kids we used to call it "underwatter overwatter". Long time ago.
Fantastic! I've looked everywhere for a description of the aqueduct and found nothing! I knew I could rely on the memories of my viewers to fill in some blanks :)
In the 1950s, I used to catch sticklebacks where the one drain crosses over the other. It made a change from fishing along Snuff Mill Lane by the railway bridge., We used to walk under that bridge when a train went over. Simple fun!
Once again a wonderful episode of local history, well done “History Nerd”!! I never appreciated the concept of bridges simply being left in place, like Snuff Mill Lane, driven past that part of Cottingham literally thousands of time without knowing what I was passing. Lovely stuff History Nerd, brilliant.
I did an entire episode on Snuff Mill Lane if you're interested in seeing more! Look in my History of Cottingham playlist
@@hullhistorynerd yes I know, I’ve only watched it 87 times🤣👍, brilliant stuff. We are living in Anlaby at the moment and the stretch of road between Beech Tree roundabout and Darleys roundabout at Hessle has lots of properties with the bridges and the beck/stream/drain still there. I wonder why that particular watercourse didn’t get culverted or filled in?? Lovely stuff, well done.👍
During my paternity leave last year I mentioned to my wife whilst out on a walk down Cott road that I bet there used to be a drain or beck as I'd noticed the bridges. Definitely going to keep my eye out for the crossing next time I'm over that way. It's also pretty hilarious to me that I've lived in a couple of different places in Hull over the past 6 years and they've all been within a few metres of the old Cottingham drain but I never knew until watching your video. Thank you!
This is going to be a very interesting series, thank you 👍
Some interesting stories yet to come, for sure! Did you know, for instance, that an idea was once floated, during work on Holderness Drain, to turn it into a canal? Or that Lambwath Stream, which used to run alongside James Reckitt Ave where the East Park boating lake is today is so named because the monks from Meaux Abbey used to wash sheep in it (literally lamb wash)? I'm looking forward to doing more of these episodes!
wow, no I didn't know that, all these pieces of information are fantastic, thank you 🙂
This is such a great video. I lived on National Avenue as a kid. Used to play on that metal railing near Hall Road roundabout, but never knew what it was. Just GREAT!
Hi again, after discovering your superb channel I have been 'binge watching' the episodes, and it really brings in to focus things I took for granted, never really questioned why some walls looked like bridges and those greens spaces in front of the houses. As a kid on my pushbike, Anlaby/Cottingham/Newland/Chants and Priory/Wold Road areas were all explored, I was born and grew up in west Hull down Granville Street. It amazes me how much is 'lost' but not really lost when you look and have someone such as yourself give the narrative to it all. Absolutely love what you are doing, although I have not lived in Hull for over 22 years now, it all brings back fond memories of childhood exploration, Barmy drain, the one that actually still there, the cooling towers at bottom of Ryde Street, where I used to stay and play with my cousin when they lived down there, swimming in the warm waters of the outlet, (god did we really do that!!!) and fishing it up at Wayne in a school angling competition!!!
Please please keep us fed with this history before it's all lost...😁
I remember the bridge over the drain on Fountain Road in the 50s and 60s and Barmston drain further up. Queen's Road drain had sticklebacks and freshwater mussels in it. Hull has a special landscape. All the near surface water makes for the greenness and humidity and large trees. I miss those massive old elm trees that used to be dotted about along Beverley Road and in Pearson Park.
I love those old bridges!
Having grown-up on North hull, been around Cottingham and Beverly Rd i never would of guessed that they was bridge's down Cott Rd, very fond memories of Barmy drain, thank you for a wounder full episode thoroughly enjoyed
Mr. Nerd, greetings from Leipzig and thank you once again. 1954/5 I used to cycle along many of those roads on my way from Froghall Lane to Hull Grammar School before we moved to Beverley.
Soo that's why there's a bump on cottingham road bloody drains 😁❤️ and other great video mate ❤️ still learning something new
Ah lovely memories of playing in the drain when I was a kid , catching Newt and sticklebacks. Playing down Snuffmill lane in school holidays and out all day . I was born in Aysgarth Avenue and that drain was my play ground.
Hehe, every time I see the drains of Hull mentioned, people always muse about swimming in them and catching tiddlers!
My earliest experience of where the Cottingham Drain crossed Cottingham Road and the Cottingham and Newland drain was on the old 22 bus route from Station to Endike Lane. If the bus was an MCW Metrobus, (new in the late 70s), and you were upstairs sat right at the back, you would leave your seat, almost hitting your head on the ceiling as the bus crossed the 'hump' in the road. I think the council dug the hump out and leveled the road in the late 90s. Very interesting video. Thanks for this.
Yes, the bump is barely visible now, though you can just about still see it if you look carefully! Luckily people can go over it on buses without concussions ruining their day nowadays!
I remember the open drain on Queens road as a child but never understood its origin, purpose or why it was eventually filled in . Many people in Hull pass by these little land marks, like the bridge walls without a second look. 70 years too late for me , now I live in Newcastle. Thanks for your effort showing us these interesting historical gems.
I could watch you all day, Great video thanks for making it
I didn't think I would have any interest in a bit of water from hundreds of years ago but this was a really interesting video. I grew up on North Hull/The Quadrant and never realised those walls on Cottingham road were part of something.
All of a sudden those strange brick walls at the corners of roads i used to walk past as a kid along cott road make sense! Excellent video. Thank you 😊
OUR LORD AND SAVIOR HAS RETURNED!
Seriously, another great video and glad to see you back
So many videos to get on with, so many... but I'm back!
Glad to see you back. Interesting video, Thank you for making it. I recently found out my dad lived in Goddard avenue (many years ago). Thank you again.
Thanks, History Nerd. I'm old enough to remember many of the open drains whic once criss crossed the city. I know they were dangerouse but thety added to the unique character of Hull. Looking forward to seeing more..
I'm hoping to get an episode on the Foredyke and Lambwath Streams out before Xmas, so keep checking back!
Love watching these documentarys and just feel like we have been let down by the locals schools for not teaching us about our local history as what a great and rich place we live 👌
The schools are certainly making up for it, most of them are now doing a lot of local history as part of their history curriculum!
@@hullhistorynerd thats great news I'm 39 but have a 4 and two year old so encouraging to hear and I'll pass knowledge from your videos on to thank you and look forward to new ones in the future I had a thought would be interesting to see the history of the hull fair and for the veiwers from elsewhere to see too only a thought if it is something you would like to look at 👍
@@stevenallen1549 I do keep meaning to do an episode on the fair, but I only remember when fair is on, so I haven't left myself enough time to research and script anything! This year, though, for sure!
@@hullhistorynerd excellent stuff and merry Christmas 🎄
@@stevenallen1549 And you too!
Good one. As a student in the early nineties I often wondered about those low walls all over the place between Cottingham and Newland Av. Now I know...
Nice 😊, love to see this !🥰💖
Excellent history video once again keep them coming love watching them and finding out about hulls history
Thankyou, and I certainly will keep them coming!
As Jim says, have passed those low brick walls many times and never realised their role. Thank you HHN.
I lived just off Chanterlands Avenue in the 50,s and 60,s and remember the drain on Cott Road well. Naturally, there were more than a few instances where someone fell in whilst fishing for sticklebacks. No elf and safety regulations to worry us then.....
I work for a Civil Engineering consultancy and we recently installed a footway / cycle way along Hull Road, Cottingham for the council. During the excavation of the grass verge we came across a layer of round pebbles that would have been the river bed for the course of the drain.
Interesting! I guess it would have just been buried under all the soil after the culvert was constructed and sealed.
@@hullhistorynerd I suspect so. From what I can gather from the older residents when the properties were new they all had footbridges to access them.
Really interesting. Well researched and presented.
good to see you back lad,thanks
I am glad to see you in good health. Thank you for this very interesting video.
Many greeting
Thanks another fascinating peice of local history lived on reynoldston st walked down between Goddard AVE and reynoldston st many times great video keep up the great work 🙂
Your prog was really good I enjoyed it a lot. Only bit that saddened me was seeing that the railway pub opposite snuff mill lane has gone. Very good memories of that pub. Thanks and keep it up. 👍😀
Same, it was my local in my youth, I still remember celebrating my 18th birthday in there, having been a regular for about 2 years already and having the bar staff ask what the celebration was... oh, I'm 20, *obviously*...
@@hullhistorynerd yeah same. I remember drinking in there underage when my maths teacher walked in. He was cool about it and even nodded to me. 😅. Regards from Colchester
Again another great & interesting video HHN.. 👍
Love your uploads mate.. it’s great to learn the history of our city
Same here, and I'm really glad I get to share it with equally interested folk via these videos!
Superb stuff. I know some drains were filled in, like the bridge on the entrance to Cleveland Street, and the metal ones on Bransholme, but I had no idea how many there actually were - now you’ve pointed out the number of bridges on Cottingham Road it’s so obvious! Great video as ever.
There's a fair few, and I will be doing videos on the main ones! Next up will be a hop across to East Hull and the Foredyke Stream - which was the drain that bridge on New Cleveland Street passed over!
Great bit of history there 😊 I always wondered why there were signs of little bridges down cottingham road, I got all excited the other week when I saw an episode of walking Britain’s lost railways and you were in it lol, nearly jumped out of my seat saying to the wife I follow him on UA-cam 😂😂😂
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I love videos that are about those little things that you see every day and realising there's a history behind them!
Re: Walking Britain's Lost Railways, that was a fun day! Rob is every bit as much of an engineering nerd as he comes across, it's all very genuine. We talked for ages between shoots about Hudson and railways in general. The producer's mind was blown when he was asking me about my team and I told him it was all just me. It would be lovely NOT to have to think about sound and editing and camera work, but actually, I quite enjoy all of those aspects, it's the appearing on camera and talking that's the only bit I actually don't like so much!
@@hullhistorynerd I bet it was amazing, I’ve loved everything that he has done so far that I have managed to watch, haha can just picture the blank looks from the producers as you both converse about everything you know, I look forward to watching more of your videos 😊
Enjoyed very much your architectural detective work showing the remains of some of the bridges. Reminds me of the disused railway tunnel which runs under Falsgrave Road between Scarborough station and the old goods yard (now Sainsburys car park) and onwards to Whitby. If you know what you are looking at you can see the remains of part of the tunnel portal wall at the side of the supermarket service access road.
Indeed, when our car is working again I do have plans to cover the Scarborough-Whitby line! It's that discovery and investigation that sucked me into this whole local history thing to start with, tracing the routes of Hull's old railways in my first videos!
Another great video! It's great to recognise all these spots and imagine how they must have looked like. I look forward to future instalments covering the Setting Dyke, and Foredyke Stream!
You're in luck, after I do the next video about the history of Sculcoates, I'll be working on the one about the Foredyke Stream!
@@hullhistorynerd Excellent, look forward to both, I love Sculcoates, my lockdown patch!
This is really interesting to watch. My grandma grew up on Reynoldson Street in the 1920s and she used to say there was a drain at the bottom of the street that the kids played in. She said she could see Skidby Mill from her bedroom window as there was nothing in-between but fields.
That would be right! Most of the houses west of the drain would be post 1930s, so she would indeed have had a lovely view across the farmland towards Cottingham and the Wolds, other than a handful of houses on Chants Ave! What a lovely recollection to have had, from the days before Hull's growth took it further out west!
Excellent as always full of interesting content
I just watched a 20 minute video on two Hull watercourses and found it really interesting ,great film and look forward to watching the rest . Hall road roundabout is suddenly interesting who new.
Hehe, I was wondering when I was making this video, "will anybody really be as interested in old, buried drains as I am?" But I think that we build up mythologies in our heads about the places we see every day from childhood, and there's always questions... why was that bit of land, in a long, green strip, just left there? Why aren't there any houses on it? I think partly why people have enjoyed these videos is that they provide some answers to niggling questions people had had for years!
@@hullhistorynerd The wall you show on hall road roundabout used to have Bench's along it and I've spent many hours in my errr youth sat with mates underage smoking and drinking a crafty can .
I remember Cottingham drain being filled in in the early sixties. My old friend Ians' Uncle Tom drove the bulldozer that filled them in. I recall seeing him at work on the Queens Road section and he shared his sandwiches with us! I seem to remember all of these man made drains were the final components in a network of watercourses that drained the plain of Holderness so the land could become arable.
Indeed! I go into more detail about this grand scheme started by the monks of Meaux Abbey in my Meaux Abbey and History of Hull: Docks episode 1 videos! Well worth checking out for more detail - also goes into how the River Hull actually moved in the 13th century partly as a result of these drains!
My mother was only saying the other day that they use to catch eels in the drain between Sculcoates Lane and Stepney Lane for tea. On a particularly good day for catching they would sell any extra to very willing neighbours. Different times
A fascinating and well researched video. In the 1950's my grandmother lived down Reynoldson St off Newland Ave. Whenever we visited I would wander down to the drain at the bottom of Reynoldson St with my net to fish for sticklebacks. This was where the drain passed underneath the Hull & Barnsley railway. I was always curious as to the origins of the drain and its course on the other side of the bridge. Now 70 years later you have answered that question. Thank you for posting.
Glad to have helped you solve such an old mystery!
Great Video, always a joy to watch.
Glad you enjoyed it, just realised it used to run right past your parents' house!
@@hullhistorynerd yes, but our family arrived in 76 or 77. The house was built on a clay pit that had been filled with bomb damage. We use to dig up charred bits and pieces.
I spend a lot of time taking my small dog around cott on bike,( he sits in a basket on my handle bars, it's fascinating to know the history of the area as I'm walking or biking in one of my favourite villages around hull, love your show just binge watched a big chunk 😊👍👍
Another brilliant, well presented video and a subject probably little thought about.
Loving these videos love the use of old maps and videos. Your video remind me of a very good UA-camr called Jago Hazzard.
I'm something of a Jago Hazzard fan myself!
Welcome back; excellent video. With a the culverting of these natural becks, is this what caused the bad flooding in North Hull a few years back. Ironic, attacked by the sea from the Humber in the south and from the North, by man filling in the natural water courses.
Best regards,
PMh
I don't think so, they still shift the water where it's meant to go. It's my understanding that it was mainly poorly maintained sewers and drains, and the loss of natural flood defences in fields that had been built on with new housing that were the culprits. They just weren't capable in their condition of draining the water fast enough.
Good to see you back and about again Jamie as a young lad born in 1956 i remember the stretch on queens road but never knew it went so far as cottingham thanks to you & Kate.
p.s if anybody wants a good laugh Jamie's blooper video is on youtube too well worth a look.
Pretty sure I've got enough material for more bloopers... might have to look into slapping one of those together soon!
love it from hull granny now in withernsea
I've seen you a couple of times wandering in cottingham, where I also live, wanted to say hi, but you've either been with someone or been to star struck 🤣....keep up the great work Mr nerd 👍
Hehe, no need to feel star struck, I'm just a bloke on UA-cam! Feel free to say hi!
Another fantastic video teaching me yet more history I had no idea about on my own doorstep! Thank you!
Great video of hull
Brilliant… thanks.
So pleased you are back, UA-cam life was duller without you! Looking forward to seeing lots more to intrigue me!!
I'm glad that I'm back too, the last couple of months have been thoroughly miserable thanks to covid and the fatigue afterwards! Glad to be out of it now though. It certainly won't be 2 months till the next video!
Very enjoyable watch, love the history of Hull. Thanks for posting
Glad you're back and sorry the Covid intervened. I remember fishing in the drain on Queens Road. It was just a short walk from my home on De Grey Street, the other side of the Hull and Barnsley railway. I don't recall catching anything though! Mind you, I used to fish in the docks and I never caught anything there either.
Thanks Hull history nerd nd backing team, You Rock🖒😃! Informative as always nd looking v daper!
Fascinating stuff, and thanks. Keep doing what you do Sir 👍
I used to go fishing in Cottingham Beck on Cottingham Road although we called it a drain. During the polio epidemic the drains and Beverley Road swimming baths were off limits such was the ignorance. We also played in the drain at the back of Newland allotments, another play area was the beck at the bridge end of Clough road where the car wash place now is.
Fascinating HHN, I recently saw a couple of photos from around First Lane Anlaby and Hessle showing the drain before it was covered over, seeing the green between the houses and road makes me think how different it would look with it open everytime I pass that way. Interesting topic series this!
Thanks for another interesting, well researched video. I love finding remains of routes like this where the evidence is just a section of bridge.
Same, it's that kind of curiosity that started me down this road in the first place!
@@hullhistorynerd and its wonderful its lead you to creating such good content today.
I remember the inglemire part of the drain was filled in during the 1990's and Sylvia close was built
Ah, now that is interesting. Was there any water still in it? My info says that the culvert was diverted into the Hall Road sewer in the 1960s, so it *should* have been dry in the 90s. Very curious to hear from experienced folk though!
@@hullhistorynerd yeah I'm certain it did, I was only a kid back then, I'll try to find out from my parents, it 100% still had to old bridge wall though
Yes the section of Cottingham drain running adjacent to what became Courtland Road and the newer parts of Orchard Park estate was filled in in the 60s and so left our agricultural land prey to trespass. The city council replaced the boundary that had been a deep drain with a 3 foot 3 strand wire fence!
Yet another brilliantly made video. Something as boring as drains made somehow interesting! Keep up the great work!
Thankyou, I was a tad worried that a series about drains wouldn't be a particularly interesting subject, but it certainly seems to have been a fairly popular choice!
It explains all of the random old bits of wall/bridge that until now were a mystery. 👍
Thank you, Jamie, for another historic sojourn down Hull's Memory Lanes.
You are looking good, bye the way ...
Stay Healthy and Free, J. PLease expect another wee donation to you when cash-flow allows.
All the best. Rab ⏳ 🎲 👋
Thank you, I was actually feeling terrible whilst filming most of this due to covid fatigue and toothache! Luckily both have now receded and in the next video I'll be back up to speed again!
Brilliant video again but I just drive down Cott Road to work and nearly crashed 3 times looking at the old bridge walls 😄
Yikes, don't history and drive, rule number one of history club!
@@hullhistorynerd I think a public safety warning should be added in the future 😄
I can actually remember trying to catch “tiddlers” and frogs at the bit which ran along Queens Road.
Frightening that I can remember many of these drains before they were filled in.
Not frightening, it just means you're of a fine vintage 😊
It was so interesting that I didn't notice the difference in beard and hair length.
nice to see the videos flowing again.any chance you could do a video on barmston drain, my fave. regards brian d.
There's a video planned for Barmston in the watercourses series!
@@hullhistorynerd great thankyou.
Remember seeing huge eels in this drain on the Queens Road stretch. Also as a boy living down Perth Street my first (and only scooter) was fished out of this drain behind Victoria Avenue and given to me by some older lads.
Eels! I had no idea there would have been eels in the drain!
They were huge, but only ever saw them on the Queens Road stretch of drain this was around 1963 ish. Loved the video by the way, I remember those waterways well. They were full of red breasted stickbacks and as kids we always thought the drains somehow drained into Pearson Park pond because the red breasts were in there too.
Just discovered your channel, it's superb! Going to enjoy looking through all of your videos.Thanks for your fascinating film on the Cott Drain and Cott& Newland Beck. I was brought up on Etherington Drive in the '60's and used to play on what we called "Drain Bank" between the houses on the eastern side of Eth Drive, and the Oak Road playing fields I always thought it was Barmy Drain that had been filled in to form what's now Oak Road, but now I'm not so sure! Do you know anything about this area, Ie the 'walkway' which runs from opposite where Endike Lane meets Beverley High Road to Clough Road? I thought I remembered adults saying it was filled in in the late 1950s? Hope you can help as I'm doing a memoir of my childhood for the family and once you start, you realise there's a lot you don't quite know the truth about. Thanks, Tony.
That would have been the Beverley & Skidby drainage. There was always a road that ran alongside it, Green Lane, that would have become Oak Road. The funny kink in Beverley Road where Endyke meets it is because that drain used to pass under Endyke, then under Beverley Road there in an odd knotty arrangement. The drain is long gone, but the kink in Beverley Road remains because, obviously, the houses were all built with the old arrangement in mind!
@@hullhistorynerd Thank you for your reply, really interesting. Didn't know about Green Lane. Much obliged. A
Excellent as always . Hope you will do some from east hull ?
The next episode in this series on watercourses is going to be on the Foredyke Stream, and I've episodes planned on Holderness Drain and Lambwath Stream too, so plenty of action for the East side of the river!
Hull History Nerd excellent.
Thanks so much for doing this - I've been looking forward to it ever since you first hinted you'd be covering this topic.
As someone who was born and raised just off Cottingham Road, it's wonderful to find out so much more about that area.
we need to get hull live to do a feature on him (instead of the usual rubbish they report on)..then everyone in hull can like and subscribe and he'll go viral, would be great to see a hull based you tuber hit the big time!
I mean, I'm excited enough to be almost hitting 10,000 subscribers to be fair!
Also, Hull Live/ Daily Mail seem determined to ignore my existence for some reason. Bit weird as they seem to be all over other local Hull history enthusiasts.
Great video as ever! Well worth revisiting in detail, full of info. I'm glad to see you're recovered. I know many people who have suffered for months from the aftereffects of covid.. On a side note, what is the derivation of the name Chantrlands Ave? I have been wondering since childhood whether this has an ecclesiastical origin, as the chanter is a book of Gregorian Chants, which choristers have alongside the Psalter when doing Psalms.. Looking forward to the next! 👍
Interesting, I've not looked into the etymology of Chanterlands Ave, I'll have to look it up next time I'm in the History Centre!
@@hullhistorynerd Well then, on re-view of the vid, I remembered Meux Abbey (hope sp not wrong) and there's probably a connection.. Maybe there was a choir school there. In re the topographical humps and bumps which show evidence of past watercourses, I've been tuning in to this after viewing John Rogers vids.. He does video walks, 'dahn sarf 'ere,' phonetically speaking, and, whilst he would not claim to be a hardcore historian, they are fascinating, and he's big on lost rivers. Worth a look. 👍
@@williamrobinson7435 Another good UA-camr for lost rivers is Martin Zero across in Lancashire. His extensive series on Manchester's buried rivers is fascinating! He's a brave man and actually goes into the culverts!
@@hullhistorynerd Hello again, H H N! I found the following on Nottingham University's website (Survey of English Place-Names):
*Chanter Lands*
_Other OS name in the Parish of Cottingham_
*Historical Forms*
Estchaunturland, Southchaunturland 1408, 1415 YI (Yorkshire Inquisitions)
*Etymology*
(field) is Estchaunturland, Southchaunturland 1408, 1415 YI. Probably ME _chauntour_ 'chantry-priest'.
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Stay free. Rab 🍻 😎 ⏳ 🎲 🌠
@@hullhistorynerd Will definitely check out Martin ZERO. Thanks for the heads up! 👍
I'm guessing the beck was straightened by the building of the road or causeway from Cottingham to the river Hull using gravel from the pits behind what is now Golf Links Road.
Very likely, that was my suspicion too.
i remember the drain well as a kid remember a friend of my mams dog getting drowned in there
also remember queens road drain our garden of bev road backed on to Bramston drain
Wonderful to have you back ! I recall notes I made way back whilst researching family history about a drain down Spring Bank area, I think it was possibly the cause of the cholera epidemic in Hull? Will this get mentioned at some point?
Oo, that's a new one to me, I'll have to get my research head on and see what I can find out about it!
@@hullhistorynerd ❤
very good local history. have you ever seen the very old ordenance survey map on the wall in the larkin building at the University of hull ,if not you would find it very interesting
You can access ALL of the old Ordnance Survey maps going back to the first one done in the 1850s on the National Library of Scotland's website! There's a link in the description of this video, go check it out. Fascinating stuff!
you may not of seen the 1860,s ordenance survuy maps all glued together filling a wall in the larkin building showing the railways,docks botaniic gardens etc..seriously it gives a brilliant perspective to see it all as one map
@@michaeldyer1322 I have indeed seen them, as I said the NLS have all of the old maps on their site, even the super detailed 25 inch maps! Well worth a visit if you want to do a time-lapse exploration of your neighbourhood from the 1850s to the 1950s!
Another great, informative video. However, just a question - why no mention of the drain (Setting Dyke?) which runs behind Bricknell Avenue school, crosses Chanterlands Ave., runs between Ella Street and Victoria Ave, crosses under Salisbury St.and joins Cottingham Drain at the right-angle behind Jack Kaye's shop?
Not everything gets a mention in the videos for the sake of keeping the story focussed - had I mentioned that, then I would have really had to include every other drain that fed the two in this video, and there are quite a few! In order to stay relatively brief, to avoid muddying the water (pun absolutely intended), and to keep the videos relatively easy to digest, I keep it more simple. If I was writing a book I would absolutely mention tributary drains, but the world of video requires focus and brevity, and thus a lot of script gets edited out before it even makes it onto camera!
Very interesting,will you be covering Foredyke drain and the one behind James Reckitt Avenue,also how Tweendykes Road got its name
The Foredyke Stream will probably be the next one I cover! If the one being James Reckitt is the one near Munroe Street, that's still the Foredyke Stream - the path just disappears beneath car parks and industrial units until it pops up again further along near James Reckitt
No it was a drain fed into East Park and was between the rail line,James Reckitt Avenue near Chamberlain Rd.
@@michaelmatthews5540 Is this the one that used to run next to Malet Lambert? My grandad used to rent space in a workshop just across that drain from the school, fond memories of Sunday morning visits there, poking about the ruins of the old stable behind it.
@@hullhistorynerd yes that's the one
@@michaelmatthews5540 Sadly I don't know much about that one, but I suspect it was just a tributary feeding into the Lambwath Stream that used to run along James Reckitt where the East Park boating lake is today.
I have always wondered what the bridge crossed , i believe on Bude road a steel girder structure that id just sat level with the ground
Was that on the curve near Home Bargains? If so that will have indeed been a bridge over the Foredyke Stream, another drain that's since been filled in!
@@hullhistorynerd Yes that's the one ,a impressive little girder bridge
Very interesting shame how we are so now far removed from waterways
I don't know how else to contact you, H H Nerd, but I'd like to ask you if there is enough material/history on features inspired by your 'snickets' vids. I'm interested in Sutton Trod and Reeds Lane (which, I think, became re-named Lorenzo Way, when housing developments took place). Any joy?
I'm afraid my research focussed on Cottingham, I haven't yet looked at Sutton, though I will be doing at some point as part of my forthcoming Lost Villages of Hull series!
"Chanterlands" - not "Chanter", I think, but "Chantry".
"A chantry is a designated area within a church, or sometimes a separate building, where in pre-reformation times a priest would say prayers and perform masses for the souls of the dead. Individuals or families would endow money or lands to provide a chantry and pay a chantry priest."
So somewhere near Chanterlands Avenue there was probably a chapel, or rather a chantry, before Henry VIII and his son swept them all away with the Abolition of Chantries Acts of 1545 and 1547. Its lands and endowments would have been seized by the Crown and promptly sold on to the highest bidder (or else given to a courtier or royal favourite). It'll all be in the records somewhere, if someone wants to do some digging.
It was Chants Ave when I lived there.
@@julieaskew2576 Well, there you go. The perils of jumping to conclusions based on too little evidence :)
Seriously, if Mr Nerd can raid his collection of old maps he might be able to say what the earliest form of the roadname is, which might give us a clue.
@@peterfreeman6677 Yes but where was the church? Holy Trinity was the first consecrated church in the Old Town, followed by St Mary's Lowgate which had long been the chapel to the De la Pole family, both are a long way from Chant's Av. All Saints Church on Margaret Street ("Mucky Peg Lane") was opposite All Saints Street. That was a High Church of England construction built in the latter part of the nineteenth century to counter the popularity of Methodist and Low Church christianity. The name may be connected to the old cemetery on the south side. Burials had always been a problem in a crowded community like early Hull. Cholera victims from the 1840s and 50s were mostly buried there, along with Catholics and Quakers.
On the theme of eels mentioned in the comments below, at the time of Domesday there were five fisheries in Cottingham, with 8,000 eels. Any idea where the fisheries could have been located and how much of Cottingham's economy may then have depended on eels (I have seen reference to rents commonly becoming due in sticks of 25 eels / binds of 10 eels) ?
There were a few fishing ponds in what later became the grounds of Westfield House (now Fair Maid), and Dene Wood pond is marked on the Victorian OS maps as a fish pond, so apparently there were a few! Not sure how much the local economy depended on that compared to sheep farming and agriculture, but it's a good question!
@@hullhistorynerd I had also more or less assumed that Cottingham was largely agricultural but it seems odd to me that the old Baynards castle was situated in what was a relatively low lying area on the edge of what is said to have then been marshland. The eel fisheries could have been weirs on the Hull rather than ponds with the site of Baynards castle the closest useable land as far East as it could go (my understanding is that eels even today can not be bred in captivity but need to spawn in the sea). A map in John Speed’s Theatre of Empire Book in 1611 shows what seems to be a substantial body of water entering the Hull from Cottingham (crossed by a bridge) but I think this would be the position after drainage works so may not be much help as to what was actually going on in Cottingham at the time of Domesday. It would be of interest if any eel farmers could indicate how much work is involved in extracting 8,000 eels.
It wasn't that substantial, merely the old course of the beck featured in this very video, before it was straightened. Given that Hull Bank was a hamlet within the Parish of Cottingham until the 19th century, it's entirely possible that there was some eel fishing happening by the river in the middle ages. Technically it would have appeared on Cottingham's entry. With regards to the placement of Baynard castle, a fortified manor house with an easy to fill moat would certainly have been advantageous in the early years of the Norman occupation - those were not easy times for the invaders!
@@hullhistorynerd Thank you, that now makes sense, of course the moat would be the defence and would need to be on relatively low ground in order to be filled and I see from the Cottingham flood map that even now the majority of the site is raised and does not risk flooding.
You could catch eels off Victoria dock in the 50s just by the outfall of the River Hull to the Humber. I used to go fishing for them with my dad when I was three and four. A bell has rung..... is that Sammy's Point?
12.46 me as a vry young child stepping stoning my way to pearson park wondering why , in the olden days, would they put stepping stones here just for us kids to run along , finally today finding out
Kate grew up around there and said a similar thing when we were discussing the route of the drain whilst I was writing and researching this video!
Could you do a video on the university?
That actually would be an interesting subject, I might have to look into that!
@@hullhistorynerd thanks, would be interesting to know about Tolkein at the Dennison centre, the strange owl drawings on the side of the library and what the original buildings are!
There’s a spring in anlaby?
There were (and still are) freshwater springs around Anlaby, Kirkella and Cottingham! Springhead pumping station was built where it is for a very good reason!
@@hullhistorynerd I live in anlaby and see so much interesting historic stuff I have absolutely no clue about!
@@hullhistorynerd There is also a natural spring on the Ideal Standard site pottery side, just alongside the railway line. We called it the borehole, because that's what it was. There was a pump house above it and a huge pump dropped deep into the ground to pump the water out for the pottery side of the factory. Remember the water levels getting very low one summer, probably 1976. When the pump failed we has to work through the night to fix it.
Aha! Meux Abbey - >Chanterlands?
Probably not, it's the wrong side of the river for Meaux, but it is possible they had a hand in the construction, or at least inspired other local Lords to copy their drainage systems.
Hello William. I found the following on Nottingham University's website ('Survey of English Place-Names'):
*Chanter Lands*
_Other OS name in the Parish of Cottingham_
*Historical Forms*
Estchaunturland, Southchaunturland 1408, 1415 YI (Yorkshire Inquisitions)
*Etymology*
(field) is Estchaunturland, Southchaunturland 1408, 1415 YI. Probably ME _chauntour_ 'chantry-priest'.
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All the best. Rab ⏳ 🎲 🌠
@@RHR-221b Thanks Rab! The power of the Internet, hey.. Most grateful. 👍
@@williamrobinson7435 My pleasure, William. I met my Darling Mary, autumn 1971, at the opening of Pearson Park adjacent to Westbourne Avenue, where M resided. (Now 51 years together.)
Mary was born at Cottingham Maternity Hospital, 16 February 1948!
Stay free, W. Rab 👋
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