I agree with your assessment of Federal Fusion. I’ve had very good accuracy and terminal performance with Federal Fusion. Plus, it’s readily available at a reasonable cost. Since I started reloading a few years ago I stopped buying ammo, I wish the Fusion bullets were as readily available for reloaders.
@@danmuffley6418 I've still got raffles I'm not gonna give up. But I like what I'm seeing with this Cartridge so far. So I just might add one to my collection.
Except I can buy brass from several manufacturers for my 6.5 PRC and 6 arc, and obviously Creedmoor. Everything Hornady has come out with does very very well and develops a cult following. I didn't think the 6 arc was that popular. But there's a facebook group with a few thousand members. Obviously the Creed is popular. I love seeing advertisements in ballistics. It's awesome. But ask Sig how their 277 furry is doing. I'd have bought one but it's hard to find ammo. And you can't find the special cases to reload that make it so special.
Hornady does not care. Federal has not exactly shown a proven track record of release good cartridges. 30 super carry, 224 valk.... wake me up when a MAJOR manufacturer chambers guns in this cartridges and we see ammo from outside of Federal on the shelves. Otherwise.... yes, Federal wines and dines and has deep pocket books for promotion. See 30 super carry.
Hornady is laughing there A$$3$ off all the way to the bank! This cartridge brings nothing but FPS and a magical steel case to the table! Go look at All Terra Arms honest review of this! It lacks the most deadly statistic ACCURACY!
@@TomL3grandsons In the big picture this will help Hornady as it's drives competition.many will buy into it because it will make them superior to others and well....... Just Because! The shooting industry is capitalizing on the consumer market mentally today. Never in the history of the world have we seen technology, marketing, access like we have and consumers insisting they have the latest great gizzmo instead of being content with last year's gizzmo. A marketing has changed dramatically over the last 30 years. An example may be.....YT and how many of the "influencers" start out with great intentions then get popular and drop the original content and become schills for the industry. Cheap advertising for companies, give a guy some free products and they tell you how great they are and give you a code to get 5%off.
personaly I hope hornady sucks wind on the 6.5 creemore, and 7 mm prc. all marketing. BS. manufactures know that 2/3 of the people don't know crap about hunting rifles and will buy anything. the american hunters love gimmicks, instead of learning how to stalk, shooting fundamental, and actually be in physical good shape to make a stalk ethical shot at and elk, or antelope. marketers love the new modern sniper hunters with deep pockets of money, and low IQ
This was made for hunters who use a suppressor. You will get great velocity in a short barrel. If I had this cartridge with a 18" barrel and I put my suppressor on it it would be the same length as my 7mag unsuppressed.
or just hunters who hunt in densely wooded areas like cedar swamps. I'm looking at the savage lightweight trail with a 16.5" barrel with the 155gr TA. should still get 2850 to 2900 fps.
@@jjmckay6man1 If you are hunting thick timber,swamps etc you really don't need laser beam ballistics. A 243, 6.5 G, 308, or 35 Rem will anchor deer at 25-200yds just as well .
@@reloadNshoot it isn't the laser beam more than it is the energy in a short barrel. I use a 300wsm now but that has a 24" barrel lol I want a 16.5" with the same energy which this will do.
I wish people would realize not every cartridge is designed to be a go out every weekend and burn down the range. Some are like drag cars. To those saying it’s like this or like that it’s not pay attention to your barrel lengths. This thing looks pretty sweet.
This. Literally this. The modern world of dudes running and gunnin on the flat range with AR 15s and AK platforms and dumping 200-500 rounds every weekend has everyone convinced their barrels should last 9000 rounds before needing to be replaced. This isn’t true every gun is built for a specific purpose as well as the cartridge they’re chambered in. And these goobers don’t understand that and get mad when they have to replace their barrel after shooting their 300 ultra magnum every weekend for a few months like their life depends on it. Some guns are leisure guns that you take out every once in a while like a classic car or a vintage wine. Not like their riced out Honda civics and white claw seltzers.
@ IMHO neither is the vast majority of gun owners. This is for a small niche category of the market. I don't know anyone in my group that's going to put this on a must get list.
Very interesting indeed! But now what I really wanna see happen is someone making a 6.5mm Creedmoor or a 30-06 case out of this steel alloy. Since any modern rifles can handle that without pressure issues, we could literally transformed any non magnum cartridge into one when we need the extra performance while still using brass cases data for regular loads! Still need more infos on how to reload for this alloy but I can already tell a pound of powder will last a lot longer.
I saw on another video someone called Federal asking about exactly that and they were told Federal has no intention of making ammo for the 6.8 Western or weren't adding anything for the 6.8W....idk....i shoot overkill stuff but figured id pass along what he said about Federal's intentions
Funny thing is that federal ammo group sold to Czechoslovakian company in December of 2024 after supposedly designing a military round for the DOD. Sounds funny to me.
I mean I like the idea of advancements. But half the fun of owning a new gun is handload development. And how much per box of ammo for factory? You need a solid box to get a true large sample zero. Then training with the rifle...
@@ajdube9967 I agree but I have lots of other rifles for doing that lol. This one will be cool because I can get the benefits of this and go out and hunt with a shorter barrel and get much better energy than anything else I have in a short barrel. I hunt in Cedar swamps so if you know what those are like then this is self evident lol. I already have a 300wsm that can do this I've been reloading for since 2006 but that has a 24" barrel. I can get the same energy with less recoil in a shorter barrel which is handy in dense areas. I'm looking at the savage 110 trail light with the 16.5" barrel for this. will be very handy. and I won't care if I lose these cases which happens a lot when you hunt in deeper snow as I do here. lol.
Seems like this is primarly designed for hunting... shoot a group to sight it in, and shoot a couple rounds during the season... and you get to do it in a very short barrel. For range shooting, precision reloading, etc., this likely aint it... and that's ok.
In order to size the cases it seems they need to be run through the presses many times - more than a dozen in some instances - before they are resized. That's pretty much a no-go.
look, 308win alpha munitions case - 44 grains of Varget - 82306psi - Berger .30 caliber 215 grain Hybrid Target bullet - MV 2571fps - credit : ultimate reloader and Bruce Thom BAT action. Sorted. Basically it is doable with any cartridge.
no they aren't getting 80k psi out of those cartridges by burning a fast burning powder which is what you need in short barrels. magnums use slow burning powders..
In addition to what @jjmckay6man1 said, you can get five rounds of 7mm Backcountry in an internal mag, vs. just 3 with a magnum. I like that feature a lot.
Im not a huge fan of all the new cartridges, but im really excited for this. I feel like it actually enters a whole new level of performance, and will kill all the introduction's of new cartridges that don't really give any beter performance than the old. I feel like it raises the bar and any new cartridge now will have to actually offer advantagees over the older cartridges
I'm with you. I love new stuff. I still use the old classic stuff. Some people's mind is blown when a new cartridge comes out and it offends them personally for some odd reason lol
How about making more supply of existing ammo instead of us spending the equivalent of a nice steak dinner at Texas roadhouse on a box of 20ct 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
thanks for sharing that was very interesting, proprietary cartridge and proprietary powder, makes me pause but I bet we are going to see a lot more steel case cartridges in the future 'll give it 3 years to see how it unfolds and how they handle the supply and demand, 7mm PRC is just getting its feet on the ground and the kinks worked out. it does look promising mean while the 308 is still putting venison on the table at 300 yards,
Federal says they should be able to handle it because the steel-alloy case contains the excess pressure. Personally, I think some actions will struggle with the round because you can't always account for case-head velocity -- the speed with which the case slams into the bolt face. The long, skinny profile of the cartridge helps with this (it has more area to grip the inside of the chamber) but I don't think it'll work with every action. We'll probably see some styles of extractors have issues, some lug-set back, and other problems with some actions.
I think some of the recent cartridges are redundant or splitting hairs in performance with other older cartridges; however, I’m really looking forward to the new 7mm Backcountry. The performance is unlike anything the market has seen. I think the naysayers have not done their research. A 7 PRC equivalent in a light and short package is the ticket for long backcountry hunting. Hope it does very well! Time will tell
Annealing this round shouldn’t be a problem because you only anneal the neck and shoulder. Primer pockets are going to be the weak point. I’ve already heard of primers being pushed back in factory loads. Are these crimped primers and is crimping them mandatory?
The primer pockets haven't been an issue with me at all. The look fine. I had some issues with primary extraction being a little heavy after the third shot in a five-shot string -- most noticeable in the Horizon Venatic, less so in the Proof and the Seekins.
See a couple mistakes here. It's a stainless steel alloy. I worked with stainless steel on a regular basis and it can be aneeled. The procedures may be a little different, but it's not gonna work harden the same way brass does so it may not be necessary in the first place. You won't be able to use cheaper dies for reloading. You'll probably have to go with carbide, but those have been available forever. So I think it's just a production concern right now of getting enough of them made to make them available. No company wants to announce a product like a new reloading guy and then sell out in five minutes. Carbide takes a little more effort to produce. But it also lasts a lot longer. So I don't see the fears becoming anything meaningful enough to worry about.
@ to be specific they said it is a specialized custom stainless steel alloy with a nickel plate finish, i'll see if I can find the exact composition listed in the patent. And if that doesn't work, I'll eventually get my hands on an empty case and put it through an XRF scanner.
I made a mistake in my video (and in my initial story, which I've since corrected) regarding the composition of the case. It is a steel alloy. Not stainless steel. And, for whatever reason, Federal insists that the cases cannot be effectively annealed.
@ OK. So we're all getting different information. I find it unusual that any steel alloy cannot be anealed. Since it'ssteel, the process will be different than that brass.. Bur there are very few metals which cannot be.. I guess I'll find out more if I get my hands on some cases. I can put one of those things through an XRF scanner figure out the composition and then develop a processing plan for them. The average person may have difficulty with these things, but I'm fairly confident that I won't have that much trouble because I'm equipped a little differently than some. However, they're supposed to be reloadable between five and eight times without a need for anealing. As with anything new, we're gonna have a little bit of a learning curve. But if it performs like it's supposed to it might be worth the effort. . I'm still curious. The performance out of a 16 inch barrel has my attention. But if I buy one of these rifles, it's gonna run a 22 inch barrel to get the full performance. 300 ft./s will definitely make a difference between 16 and 22 inches. Even if it does average 2900 ft./s out of a 16 inch barrel. Which isn't bad at all and that leaves plenty of room for a good suppressor.
I don’t understand why they didn’t go with the .30 TC or the .300 RCM as the case dimensions and make this a true short action and shave even more length off the rifle. It would be super amazing if conventional rounds could be loaded and fired with this technology is existing actions, say a 7mm-08 capable of firing a steel case 80k cartridge and get better performance than an existing 7mm08 or any other conventional cartridge
Rifling twist rate might come into play with older guns, especially if you want to shoot more modern, long for caliber bullets. A lot of older guns, like my Browning A-Bolt in .280 Rem has a 1 in 10 twist rate and most of the newer design 7mm bullets work best with a 1 in 8 rate.
I would put hte barrel life as the same as a 7 PRC. The smaller propellant charge will be less rough on the barrel, the fact that muzzle pressure is no greater than a 7 PRC, and the way the round didn't get my barrels smoking hot with 5-round strings make it seem like it won't burn through barrels the way I would have initially thought. That said, I'm going to keep close track on the round counts and throat erosion with my 7 BC rifles so I can get a more definitive take on this
Not sure what you mean by "efficient case design" but one of the concerns is that short-fat cartridges don't have the same surface area to grip the inside of the chamber wall, which cartridges loaded to high pressures with this Peak Alloy need to do. That's why the case is long and skinny -- to help mitigate bolt thrust.
@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor efficient case design is just that short n fat but good to know but that no make sense math says nore square is larger surface area… but nvm i figured it out u right
Allterra Arms did a good review on the 7mm BC. Accuracy seemed like crap. The primers were bulging out the back of the case after firing. Extreme Spread on the 170 terminal ascent load was 106 fps over 46 shot string. Terrible. They calculated a hit ratio on an MOA size target at 800 yards and it was only 23%.
for deer hunters who don't shoot passed 300yds that is no issue anyways. Furthest I usually shoot is 100 and in inside cedar swamps. others have had decent ES and SDs. Not saying they are dishonest but they also are just using their rifle. they put out good data on it though. this proof rifle has very good SDs and ES compared to theirs.
Their review was just based on the 170-grain Terminal Ascent, which to be fair, shot the worst in my testing as well. The other loads did better. Also, their 3-shot groups (which I'm not a fan of) with the 170s were about the same or worse than my 5-shot groups through the Proof Glacier. So there might be something going on with their rifle too.
@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor You should watch the whole video! All Terra shot the Factory FEDERAL 175 Fusion Tip also! So your telling us that the New Federal designed 7 Backcountry doesn't shoot the Federal Factory Ammo worth a sh!$$? 🤣🤣🤣🤣Well now your getting honest!
@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor they also tested the 175 tipped fusions. Which did better but not great. They said they built several rifles chambered in 7BC and the video was representative of what they all do.
Case life is likely to be longer than brass.... This stuff doesn't push past the give point like brass does. It's will spring back better, OR if it has more room to move than it can handle it will split. Keep the tolerances tighter like you would nickel plated and you shouldn't have an issue... One of the Federal engineers/developers or something like that was saying you'll probably only have to neck size it. Which makes sense. Start bumping those shoulders back excessively though and it will split. Kind of the war I interpreted it anyway. Guess we'll see... Day one I'm cutting it down, running it through a 5.56 die, loading 24 grains of titegroup and flinging a 90 grain SMK 3600 FPS!!!!! Send it!!! 🤣😬🙏
Interestingly I didn't notice the barrel and chamber getting hotter (or taking longer to cool down) than a regular magnum cartridge. I think the barrel life will be comparable to any equivalent magnum cartridge.
Because there’s not a gun on the market that could run 80,000 PSI in 300 weatherby. It would blow up. Now if a rifle manufacturer beefed up the action to take those pressures than you would have a point.
@@jeffwilliams3436 Actually there are firearms proof tested beyond that. I mean Ruger is just like that though. They have tested the #1 action to 100K PSI without action failure (everything else including the barrel failed).
@@lukevanlanen8828yeah the 7 backcountry rifles are made for it. I’m just referencing the comment above of retro-engineering older cartridges into the steel case, high PSI cartridges into rifles that are not built for it.
The 28 Nosler was designed for light bullets. Not the heavy, high-BC projectiles. The 28 won't do what the 7 BC can with the 170 grain (and up) bullets
According to Federal this cartridge has a barrel life equivalent to a 280 AI. I thought it would be a barrel burner, they said it doesn’t use that much powder, they use faster burning powder to raise the pressure.
So, the company that screwed over Hornady's powder supply just after the release of the 7PRC is coming out with another 7mm cartridge? This is a cartridge I can't (really) reload. And even if I would, I can't (really) find Federal components (i.e. Terminal Ascent bullets). And even if I could, I can't (really) afford them. I guess I will just have to be happy to pay $80, $90, $100 per box of inconsistent factory ammo. Because factory ammo is exactly what these ELR hunters are using to make 500+ yds shots. Unethical? Then why do I need a cartridge rated for 80k psi that can go Mach 32 (joke)? What will this thing do that the slowest 7mm currently can't do at less than 500 yds. And, by the way, if Ss cartridges are the future, why haven't other manufacturers come out with Ss versions of their chamberings. I mean, wouldn't that allow them the extra psi to close the velocity gaps? Imagine what a 28 Nosler would do in a Ss case. Hard pass.
What was the company that thought brass cartridges wouldn't catch on? I'm not saying this is for me or will be popular, but I like seeing companies try to be innovative.
Cut a case in half vertically and show us! And show us the primer after firing. Also brass was used to be sticky during expansion under pressure thus reducing bolt thrust
I will add some pictures of the primers when I get back home later this week. That's a good suggestion. I'll also try cutting a case in half. I didn't see any issues with the primers.
I don't see this going anywhere. It's aimed at such a tiny niche. 80k psi in a short barrel = brutal muzzle blast especially with a brake. It's obviously aimed at long range hunters using suppressors who are also 7mm fans. I just don't see there being enough of them willing to burn the extra money to replace their 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler, etc. for maybe a bit more velocity with a slightly shorter barrel. It's not something that anyone is going to buy to shoot a lot so I expect ammunition will be quite expensive, probably more than Weatherby and Nosler. I'll be amazed if there's enough demand for this to justify the cost of tooling for the special cases and dies.
No one shoots either of those calibers everyone is shooting 7PRC or rem mag and the 7mm fan club is growing by the day as well as western hunting and suppressed hunting AND smaller lighter guns. So this niche isn’t as small as you might think
Don't forget... may need to buy a new suppressor because their aluminum hunting can sure ain' going to handle it out of a short barrel. lol. So you need a heavier stainless steel can.
@ you really shouldn’t buy aluminum cans anyway stainless is the lowest I would personally go for a can on anything with significant caliber or pressure specs
@@Swollenfishy Nothing wrong with an aluminum can with proper barrel length and if you don't shoot full auto. I.e. 8.6 Blackout, 300 BO certainly don't need a heavy stainless can unless you have a happy switch. Also heavy cans on short thin barrels... now you are really screwing with barrel harmonics. Light weight cans will generally have less POI shift.
@ most aluminum cans can’t stand up to any caliber with significant pressure and consistent rounds through it such as .308 or .30-06 or 6.5 creed it has nothing to do with full auto rated and barrel length it has to do with sub par weaker materials and erosion from firing full auto or not eventually they’ll break down and need repair and with how annoying and inconvenient it is to service and replace cans (because NFA) why not just get a can with superior materials that won’t need to be worked on or have such problems and as far as lightweight barrels most cans don’t weigh enough to affect barrel harmonics unless you’re using a duty rated can hunting cans in stainless are light enough to not affect barrel harmonics unless
I find a bunch of want to be popular shooters being really rude with there opinions and that is why they will ALWAYS BE wannabes. But just hand load or add length the 7 prc and make your life so simple and the prc will be 3100 plus with the 160 grain and 185s.
Not at all. The case isn't plain steel like on cheap military ammo. It's a special alloy that can handle 80,000 psi which the 280 AI cannot. The case and chamber design is also better than the 280 AI. It has a steeper shoulder, faster twist rate, tighter throat dimensions, and better neck support than the 280 AI. They are not the same.
@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor duuh... obviously not. But they're doing the same, more or less. What he's saying is that there's good choices out there that have support, are available, affordable and don't necessitate buying a new rifle all while being close enough in performance. If you're into that kind of thing no one is stopping you, but you certainly don't need it. People chase marginal gains in ballistics for lots of money when what they should be doing is shooting more and working on their hunting techniques.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 I'd argue they aren't doing the same thing. No 280 AI is going to drive a 170-grain bullet at 3040 fps from a 20 inch barrel...at least safely. The 280 AI is an excellent round and if someone wants one they are there to be had. But this is a different beast.
Absolutely not. 280ai is great but will be 150 200fps slower or more, with equal gr projectiles. This is the future. Thunk about it. 308 with this alloy technology would drive a 165gr bullet at 3100+ fps. This is the future. Don't hate on it, this is actually an improvement on a stale industry.
1400 yards on an animal seems irresponsible. Not a high percentage of humane kills. The fact that you missed proves the point. I have no issue with harvesting an animal in a responsible and humane way, but you may want to reconsider those types of shots. I'm not second guessing your capabilities as a hunter or shooter, but 1400 yards is 14" 1moa group not accounting for wind, shot pitch, Coriolis effect, atmospheric conditions, etc. also, may encourage others to try their luck at these shots. Something to think about.
One potential pro for the 7BC is barrel life. Cartridges with large powder volume to bore ratio burn out faster, and since this is using less powder it will likely have a longer barrel life. This is something we are finding with the 6.8x51. Despite the higher pressures it has a longer barrel life than 5.56.
@tiagoluz7117 Not quite, high velocity is a side effect of high powder to bore ratio, which is what causes barrel burn. This cartridge reduces the powder to bore ratio while maintaining the velocity, so it should in theory increase the barrel life
Nope. Barrel life depends strictly on the pollution levels in the air directly affecting the temps and carbon levels at which Thanos rifles his barrels...duh...
If you don't get your barrel branding-iron hot, that should be about right. I'm going to keep a eye on the throat erosion in my 7 BCs and see whether that holds true.
That's really good barrel life. About what a 6.5 creed is. The 6.5 PRC is about 1000-1200. But I doubt you'll be able to afford the price of the special ammo if you can even find it to burn out a 7 BC barrel😂
Don't worry, trump will bring ammo prices down because it was always been democrats keeping ammo prices high and not greedy corporate CEOs. Trump has been sticking it to corporations his entire life and standing up for the common man.
Another cartridge gimmick.I don't think our animals are any tougher than they were 40 years ago.And not everybody wants to shoot there quarry any further than 400 yards
If you’re trying to stay compact you’re not compact by adding a silencer which puts the barrel longer than a 24-26”. My 7RUM with a 26” is faster so no need for this cartridge.
@@Hoppes99 vast majority of hunting rifles sold today beg to differ with that. Somehow hunters have been getting by before this as well. This is a very high pressure cartridge that is is generally not going to be reloadable. You are driving a crap ton more pressures which will also start eroding baffles as well. And of course, it is Federal.... so let's see if it will be around in a year. People are certainly not lining up to pick up a gun chambered in 277 Sig Fury either...
@SlavGuns this is way better than 277 sig. Especially since sig can't even supply the govt, you're not gonna see much on the shelves. 1. It is reloadable, granted it's likely a specialty die. 2. If your silencer is made of tin foil maybe it can't handle the pressure, and again it's a hunting rifle, you won't be shooting 1000s of rounds a year with it "Hunters have been getting by for years" you'd probably be the guy standing with your bow saying that when the rifle was introduced. Things get better with fudds out of the way.
@SlavGuns this is way better than 277 sig. Especially since sig can't even supply the govt, you're not gonna see much on the shelves. 1. It is reloadable, granted it's likely a specialty die. 2. If your silencer is made of tin foil maybe it can't handle the pressure, and again it's a hunting rifle. Not 10s of thousands of rounds. "Hunters have been getting by for years" you'd probably be the guy standing with your bow saying that when the rifle was introduced. Things get better with fudds out of the way.
@SlavGuns Hunters got by with spears too. It's really simple. Higher velocity=greater hit probability. A 7 PRC needs a 24-26 inch barrel to perform like the 7 Back Country.
Read your article n just seen this..Well Done. I want to see this case used with existing cartridges for reloaders n or loaded ammo. Without haveing to get a new rifle or barrel .. If they do that it will be something if not dont think so. Be interesting to see data n what if anything new is needed to reload this one n these cases. It will also be interesting to see what Velocity its turns with ol Brass in 65K psi range. 😉
Glad you liked the article. It'll be interesting to see which legacy cartridges can be loaded with this Peak Alloy case technology and what performance gains we might see. A 7 BC in a brass case at 65K psi would probably look a lot like a standard .280 Remington.
Ya it’s made for an ammo manufacturer, by a ammo manufacturer. Dependent on ammo manufacturing… no thanks. Then start marketing as military and armor piercing is way off topic lol again no thanks
On the positive Federal has a good idea about a modern cartridge design, and I enjoy my .280 rem But its restraints with a stainless steel case will be its downfall to most reloaded. All I have to do is mention the 280 Ackley
nah they still have their place especially with reloaders. these new steel case can only safely get 3 or 4 reloads before they are trash where as some newer good brass can be reloaded over 70 times if annealed between firings.
@jjmckay6man1 They are some kinda proprietary steel alloy. Bet they are pretty hard & true to handle that pressure. Maybe just be a neck sizer type of jam possibly?
@@jaimesanborn308 When i buy mine I just plan to just shoot it not reload for it. I have plenty of other rifles to load for. I'll just use it for hunting which doesn't require much ammo to be used. I'd bet they are full length sizing not just neck sizing. as I doubt the steel springs back as much as brass in the body which can cause feeding issues.
@@jaimesanborn308 federal said by the 6th firing they were seeing 20% case loss due to split necks and cracked shoulders so don't think I'd worry about investing into reloading for this.
This is getting ridicules. Anyone want to make a bet against me that this one won't be available in factory loads at "backcountry" general stores in 20 years? If so, I will cover by bets with Remington EtronX ammo! (just kidding)
These ammo and rifle companies are going the wrong direction. The board, who simply inherited the successes of their already established legacy companies, think the way forward is to continue developing unneeded niche cartridges that are proprietary and have premium price tags. How about we focus on improving manufacturing consistency to close the performance gap between factory and hand-loaded ammo? How about we modernize facilities to more efficiently manufacture ammunition so it can be provided at a lower cost. How about we focus on developing new jacket alloys to increase the effectiveness of pre-existing cartridges? How about we develop controlled-feed magazines that are AICS compatible instead of garbage plastic magazines (I'm looking at YOU howa). We aren't innovating. This new cartridge is not innovation. It's copying hornady's homework and just calling it something else. Just like all these Remington 700 clones - moving the bolt release isnt innovation. Yeah I said it. Polishing the bolt and milling little designs isn't innovation either. The problem is that the men and women who founded and developed these companies with their creativity and experience have mostly all retired and with them, their craft and skillset has retired. Now we're left with white collar finance grads pulling the strings to appeal to investors and the the money that should be going towards development, is instead used for marketing niche garbage to gullible and inexperienced outdoorsmen
As someone who shoots and owns a 7 rem mag I’m highly interested in this cartridge just for the case technology alone. Reduced recoil lighter rifle faster bullets shorter barrel and using a suppressor with it while not being unwieldy are all bonuses
I agree with your assessment of Federal Fusion. I’ve had very good accuracy and terminal performance with Federal Fusion. Plus, it’s readily available at a reasonable cost. Since I started reloading a few years ago I stopped buying ammo, I wish the Fusion bullets were as readily available for reloaders.
One other advantage over the 7 PRC that you didn't mention in your summary is that you can get at least one more shell in the magazine.
That's a huge advantage. I talk about that in my story. It's one of the key features for sure.
My mid weight 7mm Remington hasn't let me down in 40 years , I'll stick with it
@@danmuffley6418 I've still got raffles I'm not gonna give up. But I like what I'm seeing with this Cartridge so far. So I just might add one to my collection.
This is like the 6th video I’ve watched about this cartridge today. I bet Hornady is not very happy about this cartridge.
Except I can buy brass from several manufacturers for my 6.5 PRC and 6 arc, and obviously Creedmoor. Everything Hornady has come out with does very very well and develops a cult following. I didn't think the 6 arc was that popular. But there's a facebook group with a few thousand members. Obviously the Creed is popular.
I love seeing advertisements in ballistics. It's awesome. But ask Sig how their 277 furry is doing. I'd have bought one but it's hard to find ammo. And you can't find the special cases to reload that make it so special.
Hornady does not care. Federal has not exactly shown a proven track record of release good cartridges. 30 super carry, 224 valk.... wake me up when a MAJOR manufacturer chambers guns in this cartridges and we see ammo from outside of Federal on the shelves. Otherwise.... yes, Federal wines and dines and has deep pocket books for promotion. See 30 super carry.
Hornady is laughing there A$$3$ off all the way to the bank! This cartridge brings nothing but FPS and a magical steel case to the table! Go look at All Terra Arms honest review of this! It lacks the most deadly statistic ACCURACY!
@@TomL3grandsons
In the big picture this will help Hornady as it's drives competition.many will buy into it because it will make them superior to others and well....... Just Because!
The shooting industry is capitalizing on the consumer market mentally today. Never in the history of the world have we seen
technology, marketing, access like we have and consumers insisting they have the latest great gizzmo instead of being content with last year's gizzmo. A marketing has changed dramatically over the last 30 years. An example may be.....YT and how many of the "influencers" start out with great intentions then get popular and drop the original content and become schills for the industry. Cheap advertising for companies, give a guy some free products and they tell you how great they are and give you a code to get 5%off.
personaly I hope hornady sucks wind on the 6.5 creemore, and 7 mm prc. all marketing. BS. manufactures know that 2/3 of the people don't know crap about hunting rifles and will buy anything. the american hunters love gimmicks, instead of learning how to stalk, shooting fundamental, and actually be in physical good shape to make a stalk ethical shot at and elk, or antelope. marketers love the new modern sniper hunters with deep pockets of money, and low IQ
One of the best reviews of the 7 BC out there..
Thanks man. I appreciate it. It was a lot of work, but worth it.
This was made for hunters who use a suppressor. You will get great velocity in a short barrel. If I had this cartridge with a 18" barrel and I put my suppressor on it it would be the same length as my 7mag unsuppressed.
or just hunters who hunt in densely wooded areas like cedar swamps. I'm looking at the savage lightweight trail with a 16.5" barrel with the 155gr TA. should still get 2850 to 2900 fps.
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If you are hunting thick timber,swamps etc you really don't need laser beam ballistics. A 243, 6.5 G, 308, or 35 Rem will anchor deer at 25-200yds just as well .
@@jjmckay6man1 why would you need this in dense cover?
@@FoulPet short barrel is the reason and I don't like tracking that is why I use a 300wsm now. It is just a pain with a 24" barrel.
@@reloadNshoot it isn't the laser beam more than it is the energy in a short barrel. I use a 300wsm now but that has a 24" barrel lol I want a 16.5" with the same energy which this will do.
I wish people would realize not every cartridge is designed to be a go out every weekend and burn down the range. Some are like drag cars. To those saying it’s like this or like that it’s not pay attention to your barrel lengths. This thing looks pretty sweet.
This. Literally this. The modern world of dudes running and gunnin on the flat range with AR 15s and AK platforms and dumping 200-500 rounds every weekend has everyone convinced their barrels should last 9000 rounds before needing to be replaced. This isn’t true every gun is built for a specific purpose as well as the cartridge they’re chambered in. And these goobers don’t understand that and get mad when they have to replace their barrel after shooting their 300 ultra magnum every weekend for a few months like their life depends on it. Some guns are leisure guns that you take out every once in a while like a classic car or a vintage wine. Not like their riced out Honda civics and white claw seltzers.
@ IMHO neither is the vast majority of gun owners. This is for a small niche category of the market.
I don't know anyone in my group that's going to put this on a must get list.
i would like to see how reloading this case plays out. interesting.
YES n I want to see this case in existing cartridges like 06
Very interesting indeed! But now what I really wanna see happen is someone making a 6.5mm Creedmoor or a 30-06 case out of this steel alloy. Since any modern rifles can handle that without pressure issues, we could literally transformed any non magnum cartridge into one when we need the extra performance while still using brass cases data for regular loads! Still need more infos on how to reload for this alloy but I can already tell a pound of powder will last a lot longer.
The advantages of this cartridge will be felt when they make existing calibers in it. Platforms also determine if a barrel is consumable.
how about federal making ammo for the 6.8 western?
Yes this needs to happen
I saw on another video someone called Federal asking about exactly that and they were told Federal has no intention of making ammo for the 6.8 Western or weren't adding anything for the 6.8W....idk....i shoot overkill stuff but figured id pass along what he said about Federal's intentions
How about Winchester supporting there own cartridge
@@TL12352 They do winchester and browning have several options for ammo in 6.8 western.
@@MNBuckhunterI hear people say all the time the 6.8 needs more support if Winchester and browning have it covered then what’s the problem
Funny thing is that federal ammo group sold to Czechoslovakian company in December of 2024 after supposedly designing a military round for the DOD. Sounds funny to me.
Yes. You can read about the details here: www.outdoorlife.com/guns/kinetic-group-sold-to-czechoslovak-group/
The Czech Republic is also a member of NATO...
When can the 175 Fusion Tipped be bought loose ? Asking for a 7x57 and a 7*61 SH
Good question. Pretty sweet bullet
I think we will see 308 and 7mm08 type cases that will perform like 7 REM mag and 300 win mag in short action rifles. With less recoil.
I'll be getting it and be hunting with it next deer season
Sounds like reloaders will never see the benefit in the cartridge.
It doesn't look promising at this point, which is a bummer
Theybafe developing reloading dies already. Just won't be available in the near future
I mean I like the idea of advancements. But half the fun of owning a new gun is handload development. And how much per box of ammo for factory? You need a solid box to get a true large sample zero. Then training with the rifle...
@@ajdube9967 I agree but I have lots of other rifles for doing that lol. This one will be cool because I can get the benefits of this and go out and hunt with a shorter barrel and get much better energy than anything else I have in a short barrel. I hunt in Cedar swamps so if you know what those are like then this is self evident lol. I already have a 300wsm that can do this I've been reloading for since 2006 but that has a 24" barrel. I can get the same energy with less recoil in a shorter barrel which is handy in dense areas. I'm looking at the savage 110 trail light with the 16.5" barrel for this. will be very handy. and I won't care if I lose these cases which happens a lot when you hunt in deeper snow as I do here. lol.
Seems like this is primarly designed for hunting... shoot a group to sight it in, and shoot a couple rounds during the season... and you get to do it in a very short barrel. For range shooting, precision reloading, etc., this likely aint it... and that's ok.
Can you run these stainless cases through a regular press?
Not likely, based on what I’ve read.
In order to size the cases it seems they need to be run through the presses many times - more than a dozen in some instances - before they are resized. That's pretty much a no-go.
I’ve been shooting the 7 PRC with the alloy case. They might come out with a 7PRC +p using this case design.
look, 308win alpha munitions case - 44 grains of Varget - 82306psi - Berger .30 caliber 215 grain Hybrid Target bullet - MV 2571fps - credit : ultimate reloader and Bruce Thom BAT action. Sorted. Basically it is doable with any cartridge.
So would a Factory rifle, or any bbl in 7mm Rem mag with proper twist not be basically the same with the same bullets?
no they aren't getting 80k psi out of those cartridges by burning a fast burning powder which is what you need in short barrels. magnums use slow burning powders..
In addition to what @jjmckay6man1 said, you can get five rounds of 7mm Backcountry in an internal mag, vs. just 3 with a magnum. I like that feature a lot.
Im not a huge fan of all the new cartridges, but im really excited for this. I feel like it actually enters a whole new level of performance, and will kill all the introduction's of new cartridges that don't really give any beter performance than the old. I feel like it raises the bar and any new cartridge now will have to actually offer advantagees over the older cartridges
I'm with you. I love new stuff. I still use the old classic stuff. Some people's mind is blown when a new cartridge comes out and it offends them personally for some odd reason lol
How about making more supply of existing ammo instead of us spending the equivalent of a nice steak dinner at Texas roadhouse on a box of 20ct 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
You are more than welcome to start your own ammo company and then you can make those decisions yourself.
Steak dinner or ammo that can fill a freezer full of steaks and roasts and burger...hmmmm
@@daltonv5206 some of us plink for therapy pal 😂
thanks for sharing that was very interesting, proprietary cartridge and proprietary powder, makes me pause but I bet we are going to see a lot more steel case cartridges in the future 'll give it 3 years to see how it unfolds and how they handle the supply and demand, 7mm PRC is just getting its feet on the ground and the kinks worked out. it does look promising mean while the 308 is still putting venison on the table at 300 yards,
With regards to the 170 grain Terminal Ascent comparison, was the 7 PRC shooting a factory load?
Yes, both the loads I tested were factory loads.
Also are current actions capable of handling this extra pressure?
Federal says they should be able to handle it because the steel-alloy case contains the excess pressure. Personally, I think some actions will struggle with the round because you can't always account for case-head velocity -- the speed with which the case slams into the bolt face. The long, skinny profile of the cartridge helps with this (it has more area to grip the inside of the chamber) but I don't think it'll work with every action. We'll probably see some styles of extractors have issues, some lug-set back, and other problems with some actions.
Excellent detailed information, thank you
Glad you liked it
How does it group?
I have all the accuracy data in the video and in my story.
A handful of reloads works for me.
Canister powders are common.
I think some of the recent cartridges are redundant or splitting hairs in performance with other older cartridges; however, I’m really looking forward to the new 7mm Backcountry. The performance is unlike anything the market has seen. I think the naysayers have not done their research. A 7 PRC equivalent in a light and short package is the ticket for long backcountry hunting. Hope it does very well! Time will tell
great for 300 and in hunters when in dense cover with the short barrels for whitetails.
Hopefully, Federal doesn't 224 valkrie this round, tryied to make it good at everything but it didnt do well at anything
odds are, this will last less than 224 valk. lol. or 30 SC.
They did it the minute they tried to compete with anything 7mm and not have some sort super duper something that hasn’t been done already.
I'm guessing the new cartridge has significantly less recoil than the 7PRC/7mmWMG as well?
From the several videos I've seen everyone is saying yes less recoil closer to a 30-06
@@philiplancaster6390 hard to tell from video, but it looks similar to 30-06 from the vids I've seen of people shooting it too. Not bad at all
The recoil is very similar to those other 7mags. Not bad at all. You can see the recoil impulse when I shoot - the rifle tracks well
Annealing this round shouldn’t be a problem because you only anneal the neck and shoulder. Primer pockets are going to be the weak point. I’ve already heard of primers being pushed back in factory loads.
Are these crimped primers and is crimping them mandatory?
The primer pockets haven't been an issue with me at all. The look fine. I had some issues with primary extraction being a little heavy after the third shot in a five-shot string -- most noticeable in the Horizon Venatic, less so in the Proof and the Seekins.
Im wondering what the price of ammo will be. I hope it takes off im interested for a all around hunting rifle.
Midway USA has them at $65 and “coming soon”
That's better than I expected.
The ammo will run about $45 to $70 per box, depending on the bullet
See a couple mistakes here. It's a stainless steel alloy. I worked with stainless steel on a regular basis and it can be aneeled. The procedures may be a little different, but it's not gonna work harden the same way brass does so it may not be necessary in the first place. You won't be able to use cheaper dies for reloading. You'll probably have to go with carbide, but those have been available forever. So I think it's just a production concern right now of getting enough of them made to make them available. No company wants to announce a product like a new reloading guy and then sell out in five minutes. Carbide takes a little more effort to produce. But it also lasts a lot longer. So I don't see the fears becoming anything meaningful enough to worry about.
Who said it's stainless? It's nickel plated
@ the manufacturer said it's stainless and nickel plated.
@ to be specific they said it is a specialized custom stainless steel alloy with a nickel plate finish, i'll see if I can find the exact composition listed in the patent. And if that doesn't work, I'll eventually get my hands on an empty case and put it through an XRF scanner.
I made a mistake in my video (and in my initial story, which I've since corrected) regarding the composition of the case. It is a steel alloy. Not stainless steel. And, for whatever reason, Federal insists that the cases cannot be effectively annealed.
@ OK. So we're all getting different information. I find it unusual that any steel alloy cannot be anealed. Since it'ssteel, the process will be different than that brass.. Bur there are very few metals which cannot be.. I guess I'll find out more if I get my hands on some cases. I can put one of those things through an XRF scanner figure out the composition and then develop a processing plan for them. The average person may have difficulty with these things, but I'm fairly confident that I won't have that much trouble because I'm equipped a little differently than some. However, they're supposed to be reloadable between five and eight times without a need for anealing. As with anything new, we're gonna have a little bit of a learning curve. But if it performs like it's supposed to it might be worth the effort. . I'm still curious. The performance out of a 16 inch barrel has my attention. But if I buy one of these rifles, it's gonna run a 22 inch barrel to get the full performance. 300 ft./s will definitely make a difference between 16 and 22 inches. Even if it does average 2900 ft./s out of a 16 inch barrel. Which isn't bad at all and that leaves plenty of room for a good suppressor.
In my opinion I like longer barrels, ive always liked longer barrels, seem to be more accurate, in my opinion.
I don’t understand why they didn’t go with the .30 TC or the .300 RCM as the case dimensions and make this a true short action and shave even more length off the rifle.
It would be super amazing if conventional rounds could be loaded and fired with this technology is existing actions, say a 7mm-08 capable of firing a steel case 80k cartridge and get better performance than an existing 7mm08 or any other conventional cartridge
See ultimate reloading .308 alpha case testing. They did exactly that.
Rifling twist rate might come into play with older guns, especially if you want to shoot more modern, long for caliber bullets. A lot of older guns, like my Browning A-Bolt in .280 Rem has a 1 in 10 twist rate and most of the newer design 7mm bullets work best with a 1 in 8 rate.
What about Primer blowout?
I haven't experienced any issues at all with the primers blowing out
I’ll keep my 28 Nosler; every 300 rounds I get a new barrel anyways… guessing this will be similar
I guess this design could render those cheap semi auto 9mm ranch rifles into some badass short range deer guns for us eastern whitetail hunters
What's the expected barrel life? Seems like it would be a hell of a barrel burner?
I would put hte barrel life as the same as a 7 PRC. The smaller propellant charge will be less rough on the barrel, the fact that muzzle pressure is no greater than a 7 PRC, and the way the round didn't get my barrels smoking hot with 5-round strings make it seem like it won't burn through barrels the way I would have initially thought. That said, I'm going to keep close track on the round counts and throat erosion with my 7 BC rifles so I can get a more definitive take on this
More interested on how this can affect pistol calibers
Dk why they wouldn’t go with efficient case design for higher BC especially since its for shorter barrel rifles
Guessing it has to do with the case material and how it reacts to the higher pressure
@ Doubt it…
Not sure what you mean by "efficient case design" but one of the concerns is that short-fat cartridges don't have the same surface area to grip the inside of the chamber wall, which cartridges loaded to high pressures with this Peak Alloy need to do. That's why the case is long and skinny -- to help mitigate bolt thrust.
@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor efficient case design is just that short n fat but good to know but that no make sense math says nore square is larger surface area… but nvm i figured it out u right
Allterra Arms did a good review on the 7mm BC. Accuracy seemed like crap. The primers were bulging out the back of the case after firing. Extreme Spread on the 170 terminal ascent load was 106 fps over 46 shot string. Terrible. They calculated a hit ratio on an MOA size target at 800 yards and it was only 23%.
for deer hunters who don't shoot passed 300yds that is no issue anyways. Furthest I usually shoot is 100 and in inside cedar swamps. others have had decent ES and SDs. Not saying they are dishonest but they also are just using their rifle. they put out good data on it though. this proof rifle has very good SDs and ES compared to theirs.
Their review was just based on the 170-grain Terminal Ascent, which to be fair, shot the worst in my testing as well. The other loads did better. Also, their 3-shot groups (which I'm not a fan of) with the 170s were about the same or worse than my 5-shot groups through the Proof Glacier. So there might be something going on with their rifle too.
@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor You should watch the whole video! All Terra shot the Factory FEDERAL 175 Fusion Tip also! So your telling us that the New Federal designed 7 Backcountry doesn't shoot the Federal Factory Ammo worth a sh!$$? 🤣🤣🤣🤣Well now your getting honest!
@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor they also tested the 175 tipped fusions. Which did better but not great. They said they built several rifles chambered in 7BC and the video was representative of what they all do.
28N with 195s full-house rounds barrel life < 800. Can't wait to see how much shorter it is with BC.
I think it's like 50 grains less powder. So barrel life would not be an issue
Probably about the same, 500-600 rounds best case scenario.
Lol yall stupid. Less grains but more pressure equals longer barrel life. Pressure doents eat barrels more powder does
@@PassivePortfoliosnot at all. Quite the opposite. It'll be better on barrels
Case life is likely to be longer than brass.... This stuff doesn't push past the give point like brass does. It's will spring back better, OR if it has more room to move than it can handle it will split. Keep the tolerances tighter like you would nickel plated and you shouldn't have an issue... One of the Federal engineers/developers or something like that was saying you'll probably only have to neck size it. Which makes sense. Start bumping those shoulders back excessively though and it will split. Kind of the war I interpreted it anyway. Guess we'll see... Day one I'm cutting it down, running it through a 5.56 die, loading 24 grains of titegroup and flinging a 90 grain SMK 3600 FPS!!!!! Send it!!! 🤣😬🙏
How about barrel life, guess the temperature will also be higher than normal with that pressure 🙄
Interestingly I didn't notice the barrel and chamber getting hotter (or taking longer to cool down) than a regular magnum cartridge. I think the barrel life will be comparable to any equivalent magnum cartridge.
Yes very interesting, and awesome to see new inventions and/or improvements 🙂👍
Why not just make stainless steel cases for calibers we already have? Id like to load my 300weatherby to 80,000 psi
Because there’s not a gun on the market that could run 80,000 PSI in 300 weatherby. It would blow up. Now if a rifle manufacturer beefed up the action to take those pressures than you would have a point.
@@jeffwilliams3436 Actually there are firearms proof tested beyond that. I mean Ruger is just like that though. They have tested the #1 action to 100K PSI without action failure (everything else including the barrel failed).
@jeffwilliams3436 every rifle is fired at like 120,000 psi with proof rounds before hitting the market so yeah the gun could handle 80000 psi
@@lukevanlanen8828yeah the 7 backcountry rifles are made for it. I’m just referencing the comment above of retro-engineering older cartridges into the steel case, high PSI cartridges into rifles that are not built for it.
older rifles can't handle these pressures. modern bolt actions can. It is called Liability..lol.
If you want a 7mm with speed get a 28 nosler
Yes you have reason,i testing a savage 24 inch barrel and i,m very impressive it,s one best rifle on tthe market!
When you get 28 nosler speeds out of a 20 inch barrel with heavy 7mm bullets let me know.
The 28 Nosler was designed for light bullets. Not the heavy, high-BC projectiles. The 28 won't do what the 7 BC can with the 170 grain (and up) bullets
According to Federal this cartridge has a barrel life equivalent to a 280 AI. I thought it would be a barrel burner, they said it doesn’t use that much powder, they use faster burning powder to raise the pressure.
This is why RL26 isn't available for us common folks
Will this be the death of 6.8 Western?
Yes
i want one in 6.5 3000 fps in a 16 inch barrel
I love the concept, but with the reloading limitations of this cartridge I would have to say it is a NO from me for now.
I think a lot of people will have that reaction. I hope they can figure it out so that reloaders can roll their own.
Next catridge the .280 +
So, the company that screwed over Hornady's powder supply just after the release of the 7PRC is coming out with another 7mm cartridge?
This is a cartridge I can't (really) reload. And even if I would, I can't (really) find Federal components (i.e. Terminal Ascent bullets). And even if I could, I can't (really) afford them.
I guess I will just have to be happy to pay $80, $90, $100 per box of inconsistent factory ammo. Because factory ammo is exactly what these ELR hunters are using to make 500+ yds shots. Unethical? Then why do I need a cartridge rated for 80k psi that can go Mach 32 (joke)? What will this thing do that the slowest 7mm currently can't do at less than 500 yds.
And, by the way, if Ss cartridges are the future, why haven't other manufacturers come out with Ss versions of their chamberings. I mean, wouldn't that allow them the extra psi to close the velocity gaps? Imagine what a 28 Nosler would do in a Ss case.
Hard pass.
Another necessary cartridge which will fail to catch on. When will the industry learn ?
450 marliin had super but was a hornady swing and miss
@@savagestash4354 the specialty +P 45-70 ammo from small makers doomed the 450 Marlin. It was a lousy idea and a waste of money by Hornady.
What was the company that thought brass cartridges wouldn't catch on?
I'm not saying this is for me or will be popular, but I like seeing companies try to be innovative.
224 valkrie vibes coming from this cartridge. Only people excited about this cartridge are the ones who are trying to make money on selling it.
Cut a case in half vertically and show us! And show us the primer after firing. Also brass was used to be sticky during expansion under pressure thus reducing bolt thrust
I will add some pictures of the primers when I get back home later this week. That's a good suggestion. I'll also try cutting a case in half. I didn't see any issues with the primers.
Ya can do it with a 280 ackley
I don't see this going anywhere. It's aimed at such a tiny niche. 80k psi in a short barrel = brutal muzzle blast especially with a brake. It's obviously aimed at long range hunters using suppressors who are also 7mm fans. I just don't see there being enough of them willing to burn the extra money to replace their 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler, etc. for maybe a bit more velocity with a slightly shorter barrel. It's not something that anyone is going to buy to shoot a lot so I expect ammunition will be quite expensive, probably more than Weatherby and Nosler. I'll be amazed if there's enough demand for this to justify the cost of tooling for the special cases and dies.
No one shoots either of those calibers everyone is shooting 7PRC or rem mag and the 7mm fan club is growing by the day as well as western hunting and suppressed hunting AND smaller lighter guns. So this niche isn’t as small as you might think
Don't forget... may need to buy a new suppressor because their aluminum hunting can sure ain' going to handle it out of a short barrel. lol. So you need a heavier stainless steel can.
@ you really shouldn’t buy aluminum cans anyway stainless is the lowest I would personally go for a can on anything with significant caliber or pressure specs
@@Swollenfishy Nothing wrong with an aluminum can with proper barrel length and if you don't shoot full auto. I.e. 8.6 Blackout, 300 BO certainly don't need a heavy stainless can unless you have a happy switch. Also heavy cans on short thin barrels... now you are really screwing with barrel harmonics. Light weight cans will generally have less POI shift.
@ most aluminum cans can’t stand up to any caliber with significant pressure and consistent rounds through it such as .308 or .30-06 or 6.5 creed it has nothing to do with full auto rated and barrel length it has to do with sub par weaker materials and erosion from firing full auto or not eventually they’ll break down and need repair and with how annoying and inconvenient it is to service and replace cans (because NFA) why not just get a can with superior materials that won’t need to be worked on or have such problems and as far as lightweight barrels most cans don’t weigh enough to affect barrel harmonics unless you’re using a duty rated can hunting cans in stainless are light enough to not affect barrel harmonics unless
Someone try a 198grn smk in it🎉
I find a bunch of want to be popular shooters being really rude with there opinions and that is why they will ALWAYS BE wannabes. But just hand load or add length the 7 prc and make your life so simple and the prc will be 3100 plus with the 160 grain and 185s.
So you want NO new cartridge development? Why so much hate.
Why would I buy one if I can't reload it the same way I do Brass so It's not for me so Nope.
So its a .280 ackley improved with a steel case.🙄 I'll keep the 280 AI. Ammo makers desperate to "reinvent" the wheel. Please stop.
Not at all. The case isn't plain steel like on cheap military ammo. It's a special alloy that can handle 80,000 psi which the 280 AI cannot. The case and chamber design is also better than the 280 AI. It has a steeper shoulder, faster twist rate, tighter throat dimensions, and better neck support than the 280 AI. They are not the same.
@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor duuh... obviously not. But they're doing the same, more or less. What he's saying is that there's good choices out there that have support, are available, affordable and don't necessitate buying a new rifle all while being close enough in performance. If you're into that kind of thing no one is stopping you, but you certainly don't need it. People chase marginal gains in ballistics for lots of money when what they should be doing is shooting more and working on their hunting techniques.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 I'd argue they aren't doing the same thing. No 280 AI is going to drive a 170-grain bullet at 3040 fps from a 20 inch barrel...at least safely. The 280 AI is an excellent round and if someone wants one they are there to be had. But this is a different beast.
Absolutely not. 280ai is great but will be 150 200fps slower or more, with equal gr projectiles. This is the future. Thunk about it. 308 with this alloy technology would drive a 165gr bullet at 3100+ fps. This is the future. Don't hate on it, this is actually an improvement on a stale industry.
Does not have a steeper shoulder!@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor
Why would you use this if 22 Arc is such a great Moose cartridge 😂🫵
1400 yards on an animal seems irresponsible. Not a high percentage of humane kills. The fact that you missed proves the point. I have no issue with harvesting an animal in a responsible and humane way, but you may want to reconsider those types of shots.
I'm not second guessing your capabilities as a hunter or shooter, but 1400 yards is 14" 1moa group not accounting for wind, shot pitch, Coriolis effect, atmospheric conditions, etc. also, may encourage others to try their luck at these shots.
Something to think about.
All true but he wasn't "hunting" he was trying to erradicate vermin. I wouldn't have tried it, but I'm not upset about it either.
One potential pro for the 7BC is barrel life. Cartridges with large powder volume to bore ratio burn out faster, and since this is using less powder it will likely have a longer barrel life. This is something we are finding with the 6.8x51. Despite the higher pressures it has a longer barrel life than 5.56.
the barrel life depends more not on the calibre but the velocity
@tiagoluz7117 Not quite, high velocity is a side effect of high powder to bore ratio, which is what causes barrel burn. This cartridge reduces the powder to bore ratio while maintaining the velocity, so it should in theory increase the barrel life
@@tiagoluz7117nope depends on powders
What! You prairie dog hunting with a 7mm? It's a big game rifle. It'll last a lifetime with most hunters.
Nope. Barrel life depends strictly on the pollution levels in the air directly affecting the temps and carbon levels at which Thanos rifles his barrels...duh...
Probably a 2000 round barrel life
If you don't get your barrel branding-iron hot, that should be about right. I'm going to keep a eye on the throat erosion in my 7 BCs and see whether that holds true.
Not a problem if thats the rifle you only shoot 10 rounds a year out of to hunt with. That's why having high volume rifles is important to have too
More like 500-600 rounds.
That's really good barrel life. About what a 6.5 creed is. The 6.5 PRC is about 1000-1200. But I doubt you'll be able to afford the price of the special ammo if you can even find it to burn out a 7 BC barrel😂
@ajdube9967 ua-cam.com/video/Sv6v7YLbpJ8/v-deo.htmlsi=Ci6ka7L8u7c77hr0
7 back country because short barrels are just as good and they don't hurt.
Don't worry, trump will bring ammo prices down because it was always been democrats keeping ammo prices high and not greedy corporate CEOs. Trump has been sticking it to corporations his entire life and standing up for the common man.
Im waiting for the 7mm Black Country rifle. Its black and has stamps for free ammo
US Americans discovering the metric system for their life 😂
There are many metric designated cartridges developed by “US” Americans. Been using mm for decades, going back to at least the 1940s
@@thatsgre8t797 I know..
Another cartridge gimmick.I don't think our animals are any tougher than they were 40 years ago.And not everybody wants to shoot there quarry any further than 400 yards
Whoopie, another miracle cartridge lol
If it weren't for miracle cartridges, you'd still be using cap+ball.
@@FoulPet grandpa still driving his model T lmao.
@jjmckay6man1 if it works why build something better
@@FoulPet why aren't we still building model Ts then lmao. the quill and ink jar worked well to...
@@FoulPet by the way I tagged you on accident was meaning to tag the poster of the thread lol.
If you’re trying to stay compact you’re not compact by adding a silencer which puts the barrel longer than a 24-26”. My 7RUM with a 26” is faster so no need for this cartridge.
No thanks..
Seven broke back?
yay, the next dead cartridge. Cool idea, but realistically, what does this solve?
It's for hunting. Hunters are favoring shorter, suppressed rifles. This gives magnum velocity from short barrels. What's not to get?
@@Hoppes99 vast majority of hunting rifles sold today beg to differ with that. Somehow hunters have been getting by before this as well. This is a very high pressure cartridge that is is generally not going to be reloadable. You are driving a crap ton more pressures which will also start eroding baffles as well. And of course, it is Federal.... so let's see if it will be around in a year. People are certainly not lining up to pick up a gun chambered in 277 Sig Fury either...
@SlavGuns this is way better than 277 sig. Especially since sig can't even supply the govt, you're not gonna see much on the shelves.
1. It is reloadable, granted it's likely a specialty die.
2. If your silencer is made of tin foil maybe it can't handle the pressure, and again it's a hunting rifle, you won't be shooting 1000s of rounds a year with it
"Hunters have been getting by for years" you'd probably be the guy standing with your bow saying that when the rifle was introduced. Things get better with fudds out of the way.
@SlavGuns this is way better than 277 sig. Especially since sig can't even supply the govt, you're not gonna see much on the shelves.
1. It is reloadable, granted it's likely a specialty die.
2. If your silencer is made of tin foil maybe it can't handle the pressure, and again it's a hunting rifle. Not 10s of thousands of rounds.
"Hunters have been getting by for years" you'd probably be the guy standing with your bow saying that when the rifle was introduced. Things get better with fudds out of the way.
@SlavGuns Hunters got by with spears too. It's really simple. Higher velocity=greater hit probability. A 7 PRC needs a 24-26 inch barrel to perform like the 7 Back Country.
What is the price for a box of shells?!
What is the price of the rifles chambered for it?!
Are these videos paid advertising?!
The Savage MSRP is $669.
Hate to see the price of the ammo.
The cost of the ammo will be in line with other premium hunting ammo -- like $45 to $70 per box depending the bullet
Oh wow, another 7mm cartridge !!! One more item, in 7mm .2756 equals 7mm not .284 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a stainless steel case! How many times was he wrong in this video? All credibility lost! The pressure is contained in the case, not the chamber.
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Steel case. So you have to pay them their price to shoot. A round made for guntubers. No reloading. I’ll pass.
.280 Remington repackaged as “something else”. Sorry, I’ll pass.
Not seeing how you can’t anneal it.
steel alloys do not act the same as brass when annealed.
Read your article n just seen this..Well Done.
I want to see this case used with existing cartridges for reloaders n or loaded ammo.
Without haveing to get a new rifle or barrel ..
If they do that it will be something if not dont think so.
Be interesting to see data n what if anything new is needed to reload this one n these cases.
It will also be interesting to see what Velocity its turns with ol Brass in 65K psi range.
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Glad you liked the article. It'll be interesting to see which legacy cartridges can be loaded with this Peak Alloy case technology and what performance gains we might see. A 7 BC in a brass case at 65K psi would probably look a lot like a standard .280 Remington.
@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor Thanks Sir
Another paid advertisement by Federal
Ya it’s made for an ammo manufacturer, by a ammo manufacturer. Dependent on ammo manufacturing… no thanks. Then start marketing as military and armor piercing is way off topic lol again no thanks
On the positive Federal has a good idea about a modern cartridge design, and I enjoy my .280 rem
But its restraints with a stainless steel case will be its downfall to most reloaded. All I have to do is mention the 280 Ackley
7mm broke backcountry?
Marketing hype... Because profit is desired, like coke and hookers.
Are you telling me that gun and ammo companies exist to make a profit?
@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor how dare they!
Marketing hype !! Over sold under delivered! Go watch All Terra Arms review honest and straight forward!
Nailed it
7 prc, 280ai & many others went obsolete today..
nah they still have their place especially with reloaders. these new steel case can only safely get 3 or 4 reloads before they are trash where as some newer good brass can be reloaded over 70 times if annealed between firings.
@jjmckay6man1 They are some kinda proprietary steel alloy. Bet they are pretty hard & true to handle that pressure. Maybe just be a neck sizer type of jam possibly?
@@jaimesanborn308 When i buy mine I just plan to just shoot it not reload for it. I have plenty of other rifles to load for. I'll just use it for hunting which doesn't require much ammo to be used. I'd bet they are full length sizing not just neck sizing. as I doubt the steel springs back as much as brass in the body which can cause feeding issues.
@@jaimesanborn308 federal said by the 6th firing they were seeing 20% case loss due to split necks and cracked shoulders so don't think I'd worry about investing into reloading for this.
@jjmckay6man1 I run a .782 Warbird, So 6 is pretty good run in my book! 😂🤣😂!!
“Really nice bull elk?” Dink at best. 545 yards? Here, take my 243
This is getting ridicules. Anyone want to make a bet against me that this one won't be available in factory loads at "backcountry" general stores in 20 years?
If so, I will cover by bets with Remington EtronX ammo! (just kidding)
We gotta stop makin new cartridges
yeah they totally screwed the pooch lets go back to muzzle loaders what were they thinking?!
@ haha I don’t mean that. Just worried we won’t be able to buy ammo for all these rifles in 10 years
These ammo and rifle companies are going the wrong direction. The board, who simply inherited the successes of their already established legacy companies, think the way forward is to continue developing unneeded niche cartridges that are proprietary and have premium price tags. How about we focus on improving manufacturing consistency to close the performance gap between factory and hand-loaded ammo? How about we modernize facilities to more efficiently manufacture ammunition so it can be provided at a lower cost. How about we focus on developing new jacket alloys to increase the effectiveness of pre-existing cartridges? How about we develop controlled-feed magazines that are AICS compatible instead of garbage plastic magazines (I'm looking at YOU howa).
We aren't innovating. This new cartridge is not innovation. It's copying hornady's homework and just calling it something else. Just like all these Remington 700 clones - moving the bolt release isnt innovation. Yeah I said it. Polishing the bolt and milling little designs isn't innovation either.
The problem is that the men and women who founded and developed these companies with their creativity and experience have mostly all retired and with them, their craft and skillset has retired. Now we're left with white collar finance grads pulling the strings to appeal to investors and the the money that should be going towards development, is instead used for marketing niche garbage to gullible and inexperienced outdoorsmen
Yep, trying to reinvent the wheel again. Il just keep my 7mm RM this guy is sooooo full of shit!
As someone who shoots and owns a 7 rem mag I’m highly interested in this cartridge just for the case technology alone. Reduced recoil lighter rifle faster bullets shorter barrel and using a suppressor with it while not being unwieldy are all bonuses
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@@craigparker4108 ? Who exactly are you clown emoji-ing?
We need PRC can run 4000 FPS...please build it please
So 7mm prc
But faster
@@Hoppes99 200 fps faster in same length barrel.
Say what ever you need to in order for the Federal Ads to keep coming in!
And you say whatever you need in order to feel good about yourself....
@@JohnSnow-ShootingEditor Simply hate seeing people and their hard earned money being taken advantage of!🤔Notice you didn't deny it!
Nice marketing video!