This bike is advertised on the Tuttio and amazon websites as a 37mph bike. I see the stock tune neuters the power and speed, and you have to use a bt dongle to change fardriver settings to unlock the speed that is advertised? Kinda confused as to why they don't put the good tune in it to match what the company advertises... Overall a good bike though. You wont be getting 37mph out of a 48v Mototec or other 48v bikes in the price range. a lot of people are skipping over building a razor and just getting this and a 60-72v battery off the rip. I think US companies should take note... Start building cool sht for us!
I’d hope for 45-50 or close to it with a battery only upgrade. A lot of that depends on gearing. With the motor and battery maybe 50-55. Just guessing tho.
@VoltronWatts That's Bad Ass! Wouldn't want to go faster on pitbike, also what does it mean 240Amps, i was told the stock controller can only handle 100 Phase Amps.
Hey voltron Love the content my tutio is currently not working because the Connecter to the bike’s battery is fried do u have an idea on why that’s happening
That is impressive, do you need a different tune for the 60v battery? I'm going to order one as soon as I get my motorcycles sold. I'm still curious if the 12in sumo wheels from electric & co will fit this thing.
What Mcfaster said. As far as the wheels, they will fit but likely not a direct bolt up. Espicially the rear. But I could be wrong. One might have to make wheel spacers. BUT, they could bolt up also. 😂🤷
Yes, you do need a tune if you change the battery from 48v 21ah to a 60v 21ah with decent cells. To understand why, you must understand the very basics of how a controller works. Let’s assume you already set your fardrive for TURN AND BURN, so line amps are raised from 50a stock to 70a. If we assume the 48v pack will sag to 50v (for easy math), the stock max watts was 2500w and now it’s 3500w. The DC watts going in get converted into phase amps, more watts in, more potential phase amps out. This would have been shown if anyone did a proper tune and used the GRAPH page of the fardriver app. At the same time peak watts was increased, the one of the MOST IMPORTANT protection features was bypassed, the RPM. When MaxSpeed was increased from 3500 to 6000, 9000, 12000, that feature is now TOTALLY DISABLED. And speed control will now be the responsibility of the Ratios in speed table. So when you increase all ratios in speed to anything over 50%, you disabled that too, because Ratios in speed limits PHASE CURRENT, not LINE CURRENT. And anyone who takes the time to use the fardriver app correctly, will see with 70a@50v the phase current will be around 60a-80a at higher rpm. So 80% of 240a like many blindly set, is 192a limit, way above what’s possible with this controller. So NOW, you add a 60v battery, and 60v * 70a is 4200 watts. Now we have 4200 watts able to be converted into phase amps, ans it will bw higher phase amps than the 48v battery gave. Now you have a motor with advertised peak power range of up to 3000w, with UNRESTRICTED access to 4200watts. This will make everything involved run hot. The battery cells, the controller, the motor, the battery cables (AWG12 stock) and the phase wires. The motor seems to have a temperature sensor (won’t know until someone actually makes a Fardriver video), and it’s set to 150c. So if the hottest part of the winding is near that one sensor, there is a chance the fardriver will save the day and shut down, but if the hottest winding is far away, and you melt the varnish on some adjacent windings, the motor will burn. Anytime you change something that affects power, you MUST do a test run with while screen recording fardriver app on Graph to see what the motor and controller temps are doing. You will see many small kids who use the turn and burn settings and because they are light and small and operating on flat roads, and stopping periodically to cool down, they will say its a safe tune. But if a 200lb 6 foot tall monster rides the bike up a long hill, the motor will likely overheat. Anyone who says they “tuned” there Fardriver without running the graph page and reading the results, did NOT tune it. Im 150 lbs and very aerodynamic, and theres no hills near me, so I can use more aggressive settings than someone tall, wide and 200 lbs who has hills in his area. So Tune it, test it after and significant change. If it overheats just doing jackrabbit starts and stops, reduce max LINE amps. If it overheats at max cruise speed, reduce maximum allowed rpm with PROPER Ratios in speed settings and MaxSpeed. If I tuned every single Tuttio owned by viewers of this video, they would ALL be different. Aside from the difference in driver weight and bulk and riding terrain, there is: Ambient temperature: 10c you can set things hotter than 30c in the shade where I am. Owner’s bank account balance: this is one of the biggest factors. The factory settings are very protective of that piggy bank. These TURN AND BURN settings are for those who don’t need the bike, can afford to replace it. Lastly, there is no such thing as a master tune for this bike, as explained above. Anyone blindly copying turn and burn settings will burn something up. So if you use Turn and Burn, mount your Phone on the bike, open the fardriver app, and go to the GRAPH page, and monitor motor temps. When it gets to 100c, ease up and let it cool some.
@@McFaster777the 220 is just Ryan’s signature so he can see who is using his “tune”. The reason why your bike is quicker is you set DC amps to 70a (max possible) and you are tiny compared to Voltron. The 220 setting has nothing to do with it. With a kids toy bike like that, rider size (top speed) and weight (acceleration) makes a huge difference. You are tiny compared to Voltron. So worh 20a more DC amps and no rpm limits, yes, you on your bike will be faster than Voltron on his bike set at 60a.
Always good content I can’t wait until that 60v battery comes I’ll probably order one from E conic cycles I hope 🤞 and I’m certainly gonna stay tuned if you might swap the motor out thanks for sharing Voltron … 🫡 💯 👍🏽 🍻
hows the throttle curve on the stock tune? is it basically an on/off switch or does it behave like a real throttle. im planning on getting my daughter one.
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Fire! When's the amorge battery coming in?
Hopefully in a couple weeks
You know we been waiting on this!! Great work let's keep it going!! We appreciate what you do.
And I appreciate what you do man! Thank you for watching, commenting and subscribing! 🍻🫡
Thank you, Voltron!!
That's some damn good science right there.
Hahaha! 😂
Been waiting on this update 🙌
I Gotch you 🍻🫡
@ now we wait for that 60v 🤝
For science! Love it! I actually will be referring to this video when I tune my Fardriver. Thanks 🍻
Thanks for watching boss!🤜🤛
This bike is advertised on the Tuttio and amazon websites as a 37mph bike. I see the stock tune neuters the power and speed, and you have to use a bt dongle to change fardriver settings to unlock the speed that is advertised? Kinda confused as to why they don't put the good tune in it to match what the company advertises... Overall a good bike though. You wont be getting 37mph out of a 48v Mototec or other 48v bikes in the price range. a lot of people are skipping over building a razor and just getting this and a 60-72v battery off the rip. I think US companies should take note... Start building cool sht for us!
Well, probably 37 with a kid on it which is who this bike is intended for. I’m 200 pounds 😂
US companies are aware. 2025 will have more offerings for this bike no doubt
Loving the Tuttio content
Thanks man! 🍻🫡
Awesome Vid! Cant wait for the next one
Thank you for watching brotha!
Nicely done. 🍻
Thanks boss!
Love the vid
Thanks for watching brotha! 🍻🫡
YESSSS YOU BOUGHT THE MOTOR! THANK YOU VOLTRON 🔥🔥🔥
I Gotch you fam! 🫡
@VoltronWatts What are your predictions for the speed? 50MPH? Do you think a 60V will work with the Motor though the Motor is rated for 72V.
I’d hope for 45-50 or close to it with a battery only upgrade. A lot of that depends on gearing. With the motor and battery maybe 50-55. Just guessing tho.
@VoltronWatts That's Bad Ass! Wouldn't want to go faster on pitbike, also what does it mean 240Amps, i was told the stock controller can only handle 100 Phase Amps.
@@Tyomni_Ritsar, that’s incorrect. 100 phase amps is nothing and it’s doing more than that stock. Perhaps someone said 100 line amps?
Love the video ❤❤❤❤
Thank you for watching and commenting man! 🍻
Awesome 👌
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Nice vid voltron 🔥
Thanks gents! 🫡
There you go Voltron!!! That’s what it’s made for !!! Cheap bike more power for Free!
Full send bud! 🚀⚡️
I literally just did this same test!! lol I gotta figure out this tuning thing.
You got this! 💪
If ya have any questions I can help no charge. Tuned 300+ bikes
@@VoltronWatts Bro I just put this tune on my bike and hit 40!!!! Thank you!!!!!
Nice!!
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i have a question why is it that when i plug the bluetooth dongle in and tune it the wheel doesn’t spin and does nothing when i pull the throttle?
Nice bro 🎉
Thanks Dan! Wanted this one to be short and sweet 👌
Hey voltron Love the content my tutio is currently not working because the Connecter to the bike’s battery is fried do u have an idea on why that’s happening
No. Sorry man
That is impressive, do you need a different tune for the 60v battery? I'm going to order one as soon as I get my motorcycles sold. I'm still curious if the 12in sumo wheels from electric & co will fit this thing.
You just Need to change the voltage settings in the app for the controller
What Mcfaster said. As far as the wheels, they will fit but likely not a direct bolt up. Espicially the rear. But I could be wrong. One might have to make wheel spacers. BUT, they could bolt up also. 😂🤷
Yes, you do need a tune if you change the battery from 48v 21ah to a 60v 21ah with decent cells. To understand why, you must understand the very basics of how a controller works.
Let’s assume you already set your fardrive for TURN AND BURN, so line amps are raised from 50a stock to 70a. If we assume the 48v pack will sag to 50v (for easy math), the stock max watts was 2500w and now it’s 3500w. The DC watts going in get converted into phase amps, more watts in, more potential phase amps out. This would have been shown if anyone did a proper tune and used the GRAPH page of the fardriver app.
At the same time peak watts was increased, the one of the MOST IMPORTANT protection features was bypassed, the RPM. When MaxSpeed was increased from 3500 to 6000, 9000, 12000, that feature is now TOTALLY DISABLED. And speed control will now be the responsibility of the Ratios in speed table.
So when you increase all ratios in speed to anything over 50%, you disabled that too, because Ratios in speed limits PHASE CURRENT, not LINE CURRENT. And anyone who takes the time to use the fardriver app correctly, will see with 70a@50v the phase current will be around 60a-80a at higher rpm. So 80% of 240a like many blindly set, is 192a limit, way above what’s possible with this controller.
So NOW, you add a 60v battery, and 60v * 70a is 4200 watts. Now we have 4200 watts able to be converted into phase amps, ans it will bw higher phase amps than the 48v battery gave.
Now you have a motor with advertised peak power range of up to 3000w, with UNRESTRICTED access to 4200watts. This will make everything involved run hot. The battery cells, the controller, the motor, the battery cables (AWG12 stock) and the phase wires.
The motor seems to have a temperature sensor (won’t know until someone actually makes a Fardriver video), and it’s set to 150c. So if the hottest part of the winding is near that one sensor, there is a chance the fardriver will save the day and shut down, but if the hottest winding is far away, and you melt the varnish on some adjacent windings, the motor will burn.
Anytime you change something that affects power, you MUST do a test run with while screen recording fardriver app on Graph to see what the motor and controller temps are doing.
You will see many small kids who use the turn and burn settings and because they are light and small and operating on flat roads, and stopping periodically to cool down, they will say its a safe tune. But if a 200lb 6 foot tall monster rides the bike up a long hill, the motor will likely overheat.
Anyone who says they “tuned” there Fardriver without running the graph page and reading the results, did NOT tune it.
Im 150 lbs and very aerodynamic, and theres no hills near me, so I can use more aggressive settings than someone tall, wide and 200 lbs who has hills in his area.
So Tune it, test it after and significant change. If it overheats just doing jackrabbit starts and stops, reduce max LINE amps. If it overheats at max cruise speed, reduce maximum allowed rpm with PROPER Ratios in speed settings and MaxSpeed.
If I tuned every single Tuttio owned by viewers of this video, they would ALL be different. Aside from the difference in driver weight and bulk and riding terrain, there is:
Ambient temperature: 10c you can set things hotter than 30c in the shade where I am.
Owner’s bank account balance: this is one of the biggest factors. The factory settings are very protective of that piggy bank. These TURN AND BURN settings are for those who don’t need the bike, can afford to replace it.
Lastly, there is no such thing as a master tune for this bike, as explained above. Anyone blindly copying turn and burn settings will burn something up. So if you use Turn and Burn, mount your Phone on the bike, open the fardriver app, and go to the GRAPH page, and monitor motor temps. When it gets to 100c, ease up and let it cool some.
Thx for helping us smooth brains big bro!
My pleasure brotha!
Why not a 70a tune?
I don’t know if I’m gonna get a tuttio or a Mac fox
Decisions decisions
@VoltronWatts I forgot do you have a video on tuttio upgrade
Oh my left ear
Hahahah! That first bit I didn’t realize my mic was in mono setting 😆
I got mines to over 44 mph
Stock??
I didn’t use the same tune btw I got one off a facebook group and I used it for 1 month about 250 miles
@ yes everything is stock I just added the dongle
Interesting. I think I know what you’re talking about. I’ll check it out 👍
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Not sure why Ryan Goodyear would mess up the acceleration and deceleration of the throttle. They should both be the same….
My tune is faster no doubt and has correct throttle acceleration and deceleration.
@McFaster777 👍
@@McFaster777the 220 is just Ryan’s signature so he can see who is using his “tune”. The reason why your bike is quicker is you set DC amps to 70a (max possible) and you are tiny compared to Voltron. The 220 setting has nothing to do with it.
With a kids toy bike like that, rider size (top speed) and weight (acceleration) makes a huge difference. You are tiny compared to Voltron. So worh 20a more DC amps and no rpm limits, yes, you on your bike will be faster than Voltron on his bike set at 60a.
Is there a Facebook group where I can see this tune of yours? Or could you send to me
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Always good content I can’t wait until that 60v battery comes I’ll probably order one from E conic cycles I hope 🤞 and I’m certainly gonna stay tuned if you might swap the motor out thanks for sharing Voltron … 🫡 💯 👍🏽 🍻
Thanks for watching brotha! 🫡
I can get mine to 47
What did you do to it?
hows the throttle curve on the stock tune? is it basically an on/off switch or does it behave like a real throttle. im planning on getting my daughter one.
It’s smooth. Fardriver controller is 👌
Mine goes 45 mph
Stock??😳
@ yes you just need the right tune
So not stock 👌
@@VoltronWatts no it’s stock the Fardriver is only 20$ so yeah it’s stock