Solid video, agree with them all. I would have added Rift S and every Pimax below the Crystal but maybe you regarded them as too obsolete to even discount now, Rift S hasn't been sold for a few years after all. I think for anyone buying a HMD now, the Quest 3, Quest Pro, Bigscreen Beyond and the Crystal are the only viable options currently on the market. Quest 3 is the better choice for probably 90 percent of people.
Hey Kevin cheers mate. After I made the video I was kicking myself not to mention anything Pimax before the Crystal (apart from the 8KX) and of course, the Rift S, although I don't think you can buy them brand new now anyway? Hope you are well buddy and thanks for watching.
Quest 3 is the VR headset choice for me. I use it primarily for iRacing and Flight Simulator. Love the wireless capability via Virtual Desktop, plus the pancake lenses which offer a huge sweet spot edge to edge.
I've got a HTC Vive Pro 2. I can confirm it does get very hot. I've been happy with it but I don't use VR very often. Lots of screen door effect though. Looking forward to getting something with better clarity. You'd have to have rocks in your head to buy one new in 2024. I'm holding out for the Pimax 12K.
I agree with the Q2 being a VR headset to avoid... unless it's given to you free. 🙂 I had the Q2 for a couple years. I gave it to my nephew to play with after I bought the Q3.
Good discussion. I have a Vive Pro 2 and absolutely love the decision buying it 20 months ago. Given my priorities are resolution, FOV, flawless trackig with index controllers and wireless - it's been a great choice for my head shape and I have no problems with clarity/sweet spot. It was my perfect choice to get me to the next generation. It's ok we don't agree, and I am not a simmer
Thanks bud for the honest information! I'm going to be a fence sitter once again and not make any buying decision for VR just yet. After this partial PC upgrade, I just want to see what i can improve, (if any) using my trusty G2 for just awhile longer. The quest 3 was what I considered but I keep reading both positive and negative comments concerning it when used with MSFS2020. Maybe some software updates will alleviates this with a little more time so i'll take a wait and see approach. Also the base price sounded like an easy buy, HOWEVER: Everyone recommends must buy additions adding more $$$$$, not a mid range price anymore, LOL. (Thanks to runaway inflation; Mid range isn't $500 anymore like what I had in mind, it's more like $1K; OUCH!
Thanks for solid advice there, and good to know you can't be 'bought' (loved your statement in the video). Seriously considering the Quest 3, when I get rid of my 1080ti-rig.
Rest assured I'll always give you my honest thoughts and opinions. Thanks for watching, it's good to hear from someone still rocking a 1080ti. What a legendary GPU that was (and still is). Cheers.
G2 owner here, had lots of fun with it but now I finally made the move and ordered a Crystal (with your code and saved 47 euro!). I will however keep my G2 and use it for co-piloting and other things. Got a cable replacement a while back so it will hopefully be going strong for quite some more time.
I will wait. My G2 is good enough at this time and i want a Headset with variable Dioptersetting. I can't understand why that is not possible because every Binoculars got this. BtW i use Lenses. I am interested in the Shiftall Products.
So many flight sim youtubers pushing Pimax and I can say after using the 8k for a while I had to send it back. Nearly all Pimax reviewers avoid talking about the warping you get when moving your head in the cockpit. It's a complete emersion killer and you can still see a small amount of screen door. I went back to the G2 and was relieved to be using it again.. not perfect but way better than the Pimax.
There is no SDE in the Crystal at all and distortions are a non issue. Unless you are referring that to the 8K, which I've never recommended on the channel. The 8KX however, is pretty good now, it's just taken Pimax way too long to get there.
PIMAX headsets are not plug and play but for those of us who take the time to tweak them I have never used anything better. I loved my 8k x and never experienced what you mention. My Crystal is even better but also needs tweaking at start
PIMAX headsets are not plug and play but for those of us who take the time to tweak them I have never used anything better. I loved my 8k x and never experienced what you mention. My Crystal is even better but also needs tweaking at start
4:50 A quick look at pricing shows the Pico 4 is between 100 to 200 USD more than the Quest 2. They don't have price parity. At that price, you might as well just go for the Quest 3 if you wanted to be in the meta eco system.
As for the Reverb G2 cable, I have a hook screwed into the wall above my head height. And the cable rolled up and looped onto that. The two ends of cable hang down to the little power box and the headset. The headset itself lays on top a box (actually my printer). The headset is picked up for use, or to set off from the printer, by using the top strap of the headset for a handle. This setup keeps pressure off of the cables so they won't break the "wires" inside the cable wrap.
Like how I use to tell Quest 2 reviewers how bad the Quest 2 was compared to the G2. They would say I was crazy and the Quest 2 was way better, but they never tried the G2. Even the Quest 3 is not as good as the G2. The Q3 is very close to the G2, but if you are going to spend the money you might as well go with the Varjo Aero. My friend let me try out the Q3 and the lenses are amazing, but the clarity is still not there. After he got all the upgrades he was out almost $800.
Disappointed that rumours are that Pico will not be producing a Pico 5, at least not a consumer version. I really like my Pico 4 and with a DP connection that would be ideal for me
I don't understand why this video is just unrelated VR footage. If you have all of those head sets, show the ones you are talking about. If you don't have them anymore, just show some b-roll of them. I am not saying this video is bad. Quite the opposite! But I feel like actually showing the headsets you are talking about would have raised the production value of this video so much more.
IMO there's limited benefit to seeing the same footage over and over again. Most of us have seen footage of most of the various headsets discussed already. If you don't know what a Reverb G2 looks like by now...
@@joelv4495 .. Agreed, plus people can always look them up on my channel if they want to see more. It would have taken me 3 times as long to make this video just to add 'a bit of b roll' to show VR headsets which have already been around for a long time now.
It’s a simple fact that what we see in the headset is never the same as a recording, no matter how that recording is made. For instance, you won’t see any screen door effect if it’s present.
This one surprised me. Honestly: your enthusiasm in some vid makes them sound like a giant ads to me. But i respect this vid. I don't know what others expect. My expection is to learn something new and get some kind of consultation on hardware. I expect that pros and cons are some kind of weighted. Since this vid concentrates on hmds that cannot be recommended for serious reasons, i get good benefit out of it, even though you weighted the cons stronger.
The unfortunate part is HTC does it's own thing and never seems to listen or care about what it's customer base says, HTC could be a amazing competitor in the VR market but instead are the laughing stock so agreed, stay away from HTC HMDs. As for the DPVR E4, never tried one, but it only having one display panel and fresnel optics doesn't peak any curiosity here. The Quest-2 is borderline, it has good display with good fresnel optics, but I would look for a used one to keep things cheap, my guess is this Quest-Lite is not going to be very good, too many compromises to keep costs down, my guess, it'll be borderline better than the Quest-2 if at all. The Index, I have one, love the comfort but that's about it, it's resolution wasn't great at launch, 2 other HMDs had that resolution (Vive Pro and Samsung Odyssey), the stacked optics give a nice FOV but the glare and god ray level are through the roof. A modernized Index 2 could be a contender, but that never seems to happen. Reverb G2...... Hmmmmm, this is a tough one, I find my G2v2 to be clearer (no compression) than my Quest-3, the biggest mistake HP made with the G2 was making it a WMR headset instead of a true SteamVR HMD (lighthouses), considering they had a collaboration with Valve in it's design. Agreed, the G2 is getting dated and WMR no longer being supported makes it a iffy proposition to buy new, but a used one on the cheap still makes for a great simming HMD. :) I have to admit, I do NOT like the way VR is heading, these stand alone HMDs are nice but for PCVR offer compression, so those great displays and optics aren't giving as good a image as if it were a true PCVR HMD directly connected to a GPU's Display Port. And the ones that are true PCVR HMDs are priced out of the average Joe's budget (Aero, Crystal, Beyond, etc). We all need something like a modernized G2, SteamVR based, high quality pancake optics and so on but at a affordable price point for the average user. Think that will ever happen? I don't. :(
Thankyou for sharing your thoughts, I have to agree with you. Regarding the Quest 3 lite, well, so long as it has those excellent pancake lenses, it will be worth the switch. Best wishes
@@VRFlightSimGuy So far, all rumors are the "Lite" optics will be Fresnel not pancake to keep costs down. :( Also to keep costs down, no controllers, using hand tracking instead, that's okay for simming but not so great for general VR games and such.
Of course, you could just have listed them in the description… but I guess making viewers actually watch the video through improves your monetisation. Could somebody summarise in a comment?
lol sorry to tell you there's no hidden agenda. I just forgot. Jeez. It doesn't take long to search for them on my channel and you would have found them quicker than making this comment.
Glad you didn't include the Pico4 Steve, what I can say is that when I first bought mine and was running a 7700X and 3090 it was only the pancake lenses that put it above the Qeust2, but I recently tweaked my system up to a 7800X3D and RX 7900 XTX and WOW what a difference, I always remember in any videos for the Pico4 you always stressed it needed a top end GTX card and I can now see why, what a headset if you have a high end card, massive quality and fps jump that's definitely shown what it can really do!!
Reverb G2 is an OK headset, but it's been collecting dust since I got Pico 4 and now Quest 3. Firstly it too front heavy and 2ndly it's sweetspot is just abysmal. Opponents and stars get blurry and "smeared" outside a center while dogfighting in Elite dangerous and IL2. It's been decided, my G2 and P4 are going on Ebay, Q3 lenses ruined them for me.
I never felt the G2 was front heavy. The Pico 4 is really light and I wish it had more support outside of China. The Quest 3 is my favorite for now, but I am surprised at how heavy the front is. I am using it with the Bobo VR which helps a lot!
I would say anything Before Quest 3 and Bigscreen Beyond is not worth buying. Especially since we are in 2024 and new headsets are coming out. People should really be going for newer generational headsets in this year. Last Gen will be discontinued shortly. We have made so many newer technological jumps since last generation VR headsets. This is coming from a man who is still using the OG 2016 HTC Vive setup and Vive Tracker 1.0 and base stations 1.0. I am looking to upgrade much later this year. I would say the next 8 months I am willing to wait for all the headsets to be announced and released. I might even upgrade in 2025 depending on announcements. As for the Apple Vision Pro. I feel like it is meant to fail. I also feel like the Apple Vision pro has a goal to show the industry what the vision of VR\AR\XR should be and not what it currently is. Apple is usually a trend setter. So maybe in the next two generations of VR headsets. We may see similar upgrades to what Apple has delivered so far. On top of everything I have said. VR in its current state is really fragile. These companies do need profits. So, buy what you can now or save your money for next Generational purchase. I would recommend the latter. Edit: If you are wondering why I have not made any upgrades. It is because there has been nothing worth upgrading too as of yet. Yes, 2016 HTC Vive video is okay for my needs. Yes, Headset does still get some software upgrades. **Actually, had one a few nights ago**. I was hoping that HTC would take their heads out of their asses and actually make a proper sequel to the 2016 headset. It is just that good when it comes to durability. Would like to see the headset size shrink to something like the Bigscreen Beyond.
In 2024 I got the quest 1 because I got stuck with really bad google cardboard vr and honestly...... ITS A HUGE UPGRADE WITH PCVR and lil bro got quest 2 👍
@@24News-t5i i have a g2 and payed a lot for it bro, what do you want me to do, throw it out. do you suggest anything else? where can I can the one YOU recommend for free? Geez, lighten up
I REALLY hope some smart people out there can make a third party solution for Reverb G2. It is my absolute favorite headset of them all and perfect for what I -and many others use VR for.
I went from OG HTC Vive, to Vive Pro, to Vive Pro 2. I returned the Vive Pro 2 (couldn't stand the washed out grey layer when in complete obscurity in Half-Life: Alyx). Still unsure if the Bigscreen beyond is worth it for me. The Vive Pro is almost perfect for my use case already (although it might not be for you).
Its the best headset under $500. I have one and I don't touch standalone with a 10 foot pole. I got it for the portability with a laptop, but my desktop pc is running a Varjo Aero. That's visually a much better headset, but you honestly can't go wrong in Feb 2024 with a Quest 3 for PCVR
with microlimp killing wmr i was looking for a replacement for my g2 ..but saying that i bought my g2 a year ago an still have 18 months before windows 10 looses support then anthor 6 moths after that on windows 11 23h2 build so rather then sell my g2 like everyone is doing now im going to keep it until its well an truly dead because there is nothing on the market that can compete with it in it price range an I'm not going back to peasant vr resolutions like the vive or compressed vr like any standalone . by the time g2 is done i would have money saved at my leisure,. There will probably be better headsets on the market or the current top headsets may have some more realistic pricing ether way i would have spent my time in an excellent headset an got my moneys worth out of it . I just don't see the point in selling only to be forced to buy something not as good with a bucket load of money i don't have lol
I own the VP2 because it has a compatibility with some professional CAD i am using so i can tax deduct it. anyways, about the sweet spot i agree, it is small but i got used to it and don't notice it anymore. colors are awesome. resolution is great. but one thing stays: stacked lens/glare is annoying. heat issue i don't see at all! so only in one point I agree ..
Thanks for another informative headset. Having said that I feel compelled to suggest that you refrain from using 'click bait' tittles. Let your content speak for itself, it is good! Having a title that reads: Do NOT buy these VR Headsets in 2024... (You've been warned) is over the top. Why not just say Headsets I don't recommend in 2024 ? It's short, to the point and avoids potential viewers thinking your just looking for views. Just my 2 cents.
Hey Mark thanks for the feedback. However, I don't feel this is a click bait title since I truly feel it's important to stress not to buy these headsets now. There has to be a certain level of "title interest" as that's how YT works. But I do take on board what you are saying. Best wishes.
I agree. I have the Quest3 and G2 as well, and I prefer the Quest Pro of the bunch. Visuals are great. I find it easier to tweak the lower resolution (than the Q3) to framerates I can live with. Biggest benefit: since it is open on the bottom I can see my controls and kneeboard if want to.
@@deucemckenzie True. Have you tried quad views app it changed the game for me in Dcs? Msfs does not have foveated rendering based on eye tracking... it improves fps by at least 30%. Hope next one has it.
I have a Valve Index and love it. I tried to upgrade to the BigScreen Beyond and honestly didn't like it one bit. The focus point was way too small for flight sims. I hear they made an eye tracking one.. I might try that. I also tried the Varjo Aero and that one I really didn't like at all. Very uncomfortable and was a pain to get working. I sent them both back. Waiting on something better. I will stick with the valve.
Just got an Aero myself and I quite like it. I don't have much of an issue with the vertical FOV. Though the quality of life compared to the Index... is poor. The index can wake the base stations and put them to sleep via bluetooth. Obviously it is nicely integrated into steam and it just switches off. Also, never thought I'd say this but: the Aero doesn't switch off. Even Varjo says to just unplug it. Yo my man... how hard is it to program it to switch off? So I found some smart plugs and put those on the base stations and the headset.
You haven't any reference to users with outdated PC hardware. So taking into account older hardware and people who do not have deep enough pockets to upgrade in today's economy, what would you recommend? Does the Q2, or Index make that cut?
Rift S might still be an option if you can find a decent second one. Although what do you mean by "out dated"? That can mean a million different system configurations 👍
The best vr headset in the world right now is Varjo Aero. 900 dollars. Coming from Pico 4 will be a huge difference. Pimax vs Varjo the difference is like G2 vs Pico 4, almost no difference.
The Pimax Crystal looks much better than the V Aero, especially with its wider FOV and QLED panel. However, the Aero will always have a special place in my heart and I still love using mine.
I still love the Aero even though I bought it just a month before that price drop (although still on deal so price wasn't too bad). That was coming from the G2. There are a couple of things I wish I knew beforehand if only for it not to be a surprise. The stereo overlap on the Aero is poor, on my eyes at least, Theres a pronounced inverted V to the left of my vision when in it. My brain mostly tunes it out but still. Secondly the view is restricted. I use it primarily for racing simulators so it kind of has a realism there in that you'd be wearing a helmet that would restrict the view a little anyway but I'd definitely like something wider both horizontally and vertically then I'd consider switching to VR for MSFS too. I've not tried the Pimax so I can't comment but it was that or the Aero when I upgraded. We often have younger family members using the headset and I was concerned by the bulk of the Crystal as well as Pimax's reputation. By comparison I've twice had a couple of set up issues related to Aero and Varjo have always responded within 24 hours and stayed with me until I get it sorted. On a i7-12600k with a 3090 (can't find a decent priced 4090 if I wanted one) I can get 90fps locked in Assetto Corsa and rFactor2 with excellent visuals almost as good as my 4k screen. So I feel the combination of everything just works and I probably won't feel an urge to change until something breaks, or Varjo release a new version of the Aero with better stereo overlap and a much wider FOV
How do you make it look so easy? I spent over a week on the tarmac in the a 10c in dcs just learning startup and take of and landing! Very sad ,not afraid to admit it😂 on monitor no vr yet and I can't even launch a missile! I was thinking about quest 3 but I hear it is like watching 2 screens, is that right? I have the money but I don't really want to spend£400+ pounds on a miserable experience. Any reassurance ..and recommendations would be great.
haha thanks. I often wonder how I manage to remember the start up process of so many aircraft! Quest 3 is a great all round VR headset, but it suffers not having a direct display port for PC VR. I'd personally recommend the Crystal Light :)
If you want different places to fly try flying NZDN to NZQN IFR it’s a short flight but great views. Also Aspen to Denver is another great flight under snowy conditions.
I’m in a real dilemma having only my G2 V1 but it runs perfectly on my Windows 11 all AMD pc but it will need to be replaced one awful day. I did go trough two V2 cables and hope my V1 cables keeps on going. Have a great zoek werk and yes get out more. I fly where the sun shines in live weather always and Argentina was superb beautiful. Great landscape and stunning rivers
I like my crystal. Keep in mind it’s my first ever VR headset. The only issues I’m experiencing is at night in the sim (MSFS) it becomes really fuzzy n blurry for some reason. I’m running 7950x3D n 4090 on a 4TB 990 Pro M.2 along with a 2TB 990 Pro M.2. If I can solve this issue the headset is God-like.
That’s the local dimming. Known issue with the crystal. You have to go into the Pimax settings and turn the local dimming from extreme to balanced. Had that same issue and that fixed it. What you’re seeing is blooming.
I would have to disagree with you on HTC, but only on the HTC Vive XR Elite. I can't speak to any other HTC headset. I own two VR headsets, the HTC Vive XR Elite and the Pimax Crystal and I have to say I prefer the XR Elite over the Crystal if I could only have one. Here is my reasoning. The XR is very light and well balanced, very comfortable to wear with none of the heating issues you mentioned for other HTC headsets. The XR's stand alone features are very good and the MR part is what really surprised me. It's not perfect and I'm not going to try and argue that it has better image quality than the Crystal because it does not. The Crystal has a bigger better image but it comes at a large cost. The Crystal is heavy, very heavy and very poorly balanced as it is very front heavy. Unlike the XR it's passthrough cameras are black and white instead of color so MR isn't even a thing with the Crystal. Speaking of stand alone the Crystal is an absolute joke in stand alone. There's no software available for stand alone and what few software titles there are all but one free app must be purchased, unlike the XR which came with numerous free apps. Additionally the XR has a huge advantage when it comes to just connecting it to a system. The XR can connect over wifi, which allows connecting an external battery pack for really long VR sessions. Or you can connect via USB C. The Crystal requires a DVI port and two USB ports to connect over a rather janky hub Pimax supplies. HTC keeps rolling out optional upgrades with their best in class body trackers and now releasing the eye and face tracking module for the XR. Did I mention the XR is very light and small and is very easy to travel with as well? In the end everyone's use case and opinions are going to be different this is just my experience.
Love your channel and your videos, thank you so much for all your work mate. I'm personally still using the Reverb G2 for sim games and will keep using it until either the wmr support ends or (hopefully) we'll get a new HMD from Valve in the next 2 years (I'm also considering Pimax Crystal and Bigscreen Beyond but holding off for now since I just upgraded to an RTX4090 high end PC and don't have the funds right now after that lol) . Regarding the Quest 3 lite (and I apologise if this has been mentioned before): while not officially confirmed by Meta yet, it's very VERY likely it will have Fresnel Lenses. I'm basing this on articles by UploadVR, Road2VR, some other outlets and my personal correspondences with f.ex. David Heaney from UploadVR. And it makes sense budget wise for Meta to not use Pancake lenses for a 200-300$ HMD, especially since they will use the Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2. We'll see soon I guess but sadly I'm not very optimistic that the Q3Lite will have pancake lenses. If it had (or it does for 100$ more) I'd buy that in an instant.
Thankyou for your kind words of support. Yes I've since realised this new "lite" version will most likely have Fresnel lenses. I'd keep getting more use out of that Reverb G2 if I were you. Best wishes.
Brother, are you really have that same vision on the headset that you are showing in this vídeo??? I do have a Pimax 8K plus, the fov is ok, but is too haevy!!! It will be an amazing headset if I can see “inside of the headset” the same view you can see at the screen of your computer…
@ VR Flight Sim Guy hi i get anoyed out of teh blue, the HP reverb G2 is now start flicering like a disco light, its so fucing bad, do you have any isdea why this hapend? and what i should chek out? its defently time to upgrade this googles
You are an absolute madman, almost hit the fuel truck and a haircut for the ground staff! You'll need to call the tower for a number, the FAA would like a word...
I recently got fed up with my G2 after having gotten used to the Quest 3. For most uses. Unfortunately, the Q3 isn't working in MSFS for me. I have a 10th gen i9 and a 4080 and it's pretty bad, and that's with the link cable. I'm on my second one because I returned the first one because of how bad it was in FS. After I saw there were updates I bought another one. Not any better but I held on to this one for everything else because touch controllers are the best out there.
Have you tried any of the VRgineering headsets? I know they aren’t commercially available but just curious what you thought of the wide FOV if you have.
Sold my G2 just in time. Feel bad for the buyer but I didn’t know that would happen. It’s a good headset still and the cables are easy to buy still. Just expensive.
I have a Quest 3, fantastic headset but also a Valve Index, the thing about my Index is the video cable to the PC. it takes a lot of adjusting to get the signal to the headset. Unplugging then plugging back in to get it going, very annoying
The varjo aero should be on that last theyve all but abandoned it. Mine along with most users has been unusable for almost a year now and theyve no plans to fix there software issues and dont even market the headset anymore. Thanksfully i bought a crystal but im left with 2.5k aero ornament
I bought my Aero in May 23 and have been delighted with it. DFR works and the optical adjustment tool to reduce chromatic aberration works. I just wish vertical FOV was larger; that's about my only issue with it. I count six updates to Varjo Base software during 2023; yet you say it is abandoned. Sorry you had a bad experience, but mine is completely the opposite of yours. This youTuber has a number of videos about the Aero so I think your "most users" comment is inaccurate.
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 I actually said they where a scam in discord tonight oddly enough 😂 that's how it feels all I'm saying is if pimax done what they done even the slashing the price in half after saying it was a premium headset and future proof they would be torn apart by UA-cam channels
@@C6v1999 there you go now varjo have announced it's aero is discontinued and won't be supported in another two years so I was right days ago when I said they abandoned it
It should also be made clear that with Microsoft Flight Simulator, the quality bottleneck is the GPU, not the headset. Because unless you have a RTX 4090 you won't get the most out of it anyway, by far.
I don't know if I agree with this. The primary thing new HMD's give us resolution increases. Most gpus can push the resolutions IF you turn down other graphical settings. Fidelity even if other graphics down low is super important for comfort and useability.
@@sirgriffinman I have an RTX 3080 and I am very, very far from being able to play Flight Simulator on my G2 with optimal clarity, even if I set details to minimum. To keep the game smooth enough I need to be agressive on DLSS while not pushing too much upscaling at the same time, while on a top notch GPU I could set the upscaling much higher and set DLSS lower or no DLSS at all. The upscaling in particular makes a world of difference. So basically the resolution of the G2 if you have "only" an RTX 3080 is not that usefull because your GPU can't use it to its actual capability.
I own a 4090 and I can tell you, that also the CPU is a very big bottleneck. Now i have a 5800x3d and get solid 80 FPS. With a 5900X it was just 60 fps. The best results at this time you will recive with the 7800x3d or 7950x3d. Hope so much, that the performance is better in msfs 2020.
Waiting for either when the RTX 5090 comes out or when my G2 gives up for good and see what is available then. Crystal doesn't do it for me. It may be the best image for simulation but you're paying both literally and in terms of comfort for a decision by Pimax to try and target the standalone players. Odd decision when it's far too pricey and bulky to be attractive for them anyway. They should have just made the vest simulation headset they could and forget the rest.
I love the idea of the VR-4, but isn't supposed to be around $4,000.00? That doesn't even make it a viable choice for someone like me. Who is spending that much on a vr headset?
I play only on PC with driving and flight simulators, and I'm looking for a headset with a clear image, perfect colors and good contrast and black levels. Which one can you recommend?
Thanks for the video, Steve. I'm still using my G2 because I just cannot get my Q3 to work properly with VD. I works flawless for a couple of minutes, then all hell's let loose as the screen freezes for a gew seconds and then flickers until I exit VR. I have a dedicated 6g router, but it hasnt made a difference. Guess Im stuck with the G2 for now.
My pleasure, although sorry to hear you are having issues with freezes. Might be worth running through the settings I use here: ua-cam.com/video/duB_JLoHsGA/v-deo.htmlsi=2BA0Js8zhDVsj2ob
@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks Steve. I've used your settings. I get great visuals, but then I seem to get massive latency issues and the headset freezes. I've heard that this is something that Meta are looking into, but I don't know if that's true.
@@darthmelbius thanks for taking the time to reply. I've tried the link cable, and it works. The problem is that I have a motion rig and I use motion sensor compensation in OpenXR. It's not supported with Oculus and I can never get MC working with OpenVR.
If you had a quest 2 what would you upgrade to from that? I'm looking to strictly do PCVR (Truck sim, flight sim, and iracing). Also, how do you manage button boxes in VR?
@@solopeyton7168 well, with WMR getting killed off soon there are better options to consider. At that same pricepoint the Quest 3 is a viable option, but if its something more expensive you wanna get, you can get a Bigscreen Beyond and everything needed for it for a little under $2k and it will provide probably the best comfort out of all the other options. Clarity and FOV beats the G2 as well.
Probably the Crystal in that scenario but value wise the Q3 is for sure king. Granted that the inside out tracking is working good now on the Pimax which I'm not sure about. If I could have tested them all beforehand I probably would have just gotten the Q3 and used it until one of the higher end sets becomes too hard to pass up in the next few years.
Pimax is garbage, don’t buy unless you like troubleshooting constantly. Most unreliable headset I’ve ever owned and the screen quality isn’t good enough to be worth the headache.
Glad to say I have now, although I never made a video. I really liked it actually. I noticed the sweet spot seemed much bigger than I expected for Fresnel lenses, but wasn't a fan of the colours.
@@VRFlightSimGuy it's a headset that's get better with a faceplate change, as standards is very far from lenses. Out of the headsets I have here, it gives best stereo overlap and best edge to edge (quest 3 vignette and has terrible overlap so it's edge to edge is meh) Shame, I've done some custom drivers for the display port which really make this thing shine and improve the image alot more than what steam vr supersampling can provide. If you ever get another give me a shout, most things shared on my channel relating to it as it's become my go to headset, just needs a few little mods which can be done cheaply and it's unmatched in its price range really
Do you have videos on your channel on how to optimize it? I'm looking at buying one and it seems you mention it takes some tinkering to make it really awesome. Id like to know what faceplate you use as a replacement to make it better@virtuallyreal
@@sellecksprodigy I personally use a 3d printed faceplate with an old quest 2 face pad I have and that fits me beautifully. But you can also mod a Pico 4 faceplate and attach by tape. For PC display port I've made configurations that are simply drag and drop to install, pretty simple to do if you don't understand/ want to know what distortion values do for the custom drivers. They'll be videos on it all sure 😉
So sad. I don't see high end pcvr hardware being affordable for most for a long time. I just don't. I guess my G2 becomes a paperweight around 2026. Then I may be forced to be done with VR. The Quest3 without a 4090 also sounds unreachable.
It would be nice if the Varjo XR 4 would work with SteamVR. A fairy tale I'm afraid. Currently the worst software of all VR glasses on this earth. Varjo please urgently update your software so that people can enjoy these glasses!
@@VRFlightSimGuy For this high price, you expect this to work with Steam. Now it is in the box in the cupboard and I can only hope for a quick software update that works with these glasses, but I fear that it will be solved quickly, it is actually wasted money.
No wai! Not my ya big jerk! jk Excellent points for newcomers. I'm hopeful for some progress this year. I've gone from the Rift S to Reverb G2 and want to get a wider FOV w/ inside out tracking and higher res. The WMR issue is the nail in the coffin. 😥
Nothing shocking in this video. You are actually just tellinh us not to buy outdated headsets. And thats fair. I am a Crystal owner my self, and with 4090 and i9-14900K its just a thrill to use. The clarity is insane, and thats at 80% resolution. Think what it can do with a 5090 and future upgrade of the CPU. 👍
The DP E4 is a new VR headset and many YTs are for some reason recommending it when it's garbage. Glad you are enjoying the Crystal. It does look fantastic even when downsampled, but I use mine at full native resolution, using foveated rendering with eye tracking gives me a nice steady 45fps locked.
I have Pico 4 and i like to play Automobilista 2 in vr, which is the best simracing for VR. The clarity and colors in this game is so good with Pico 4. I think with Varjo or Pimax this game will looks like im playing in a 4k monitor.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Yes, the DP E4 is new, thats right. About the Crystal, I get 38-44, depending on weather and terrain (cities, etc). Settings turned wap up, everything on Ultra or High. I run it without Smart Smoothing. Do you get SS to work? When I enable it I am down to 35-36 FPS. I thought I would get 72 FPS, but no. 🤷♂️ I am not really sure if the eyetracking is working properly. When I do the «circle test» in Pimax Play, the dots sometimes react, and sometimes they don’t…. I actually render through Steam VR, I find the picture to be more natural then using Pimax XR an OXRT. I have tried native resolution, (had to turn settings way down) but I didn’t really notice much difference from 80%, so I keep it at 80%, and can then turn up settings.
@@arride4590 Well, I don’t think you can expect «4K monitor quality» in any VR headset, but yes, its getting better. I started with Oculus Rift back in the days, and the improvement has been HUGE!!!! 👍
Don’t listen to VR Flight Sim Guy. He bandwagons vr headset manufacturers and pushes their product to line his own pockets… couple of months he was dissing Pimax and Meta earlier last year. Now, he making videos and post almost every day, talking about the color accuracy and how beautiful things are when he knows he said that last year already. The truth is don’t do anything this guy recommends because he’s not in it for your interest. His perspective is totally different because he’s tried everything, so how could you advise people who haven’t. We don’t have the same reference points, so why are you bothering telling us how every headsets are?? just say that you’re getting paid for us to purchase through your link.
Solid video, agree with them all. I would have added Rift S and every Pimax below the Crystal but maybe you regarded them as too obsolete to even discount now, Rift S hasn't been sold for a few years after all.
I think for anyone buying a HMD now, the Quest 3, Quest Pro, Bigscreen Beyond and the Crystal are the only viable options currently on the market. Quest 3 is the better choice for probably 90 percent of people.
Hey Kevin cheers mate. After I made the video I was kicking myself not to mention anything Pimax before the Crystal (apart from the 8KX) and of course, the Rift S, although I don't think you can buy them brand new now anyway? Hope you are well buddy and thanks for watching.
never giving money to Meta/Facebook voluntarily.
Quest 3 only as a Stand alone, not if you use Air link, it is very bad.
Quest 3 is the VR headset choice for me. I use it primarily for iRacing and Flight Simulator. Love the wireless capability via Virtual Desktop, plus the pancake lenses which offer a huge sweet spot edge to edge.
I've got a HTC Vive Pro 2. I can confirm it does get very hot. I've been happy with it but I don't use VR very often. Lots of screen door effect though. Looking forward to getting something with better clarity. You'd have to have rocks in your head to buy one new in 2024. I'm holding out for the Pimax 12K.
I agree with the Q2 being a VR headset to avoid... unless it's given to you free. 🙂 I had the Q2 for a couple years. I gave it to my nephew to play with after I bought the Q3.
Good discussion. I have a Vive Pro 2 and absolutely love the decision buying it 20 months ago. Given my priorities are resolution, FOV, flawless trackig with index controllers and wireless - it's been a great choice for my head shape and I have no problems with clarity/sweet spot. It was my perfect choice to get me to the next generation. It's ok we don't agree, and I am not a simmer
Thanks bud for the honest information! I'm going to be a fence sitter once again and not make any buying decision for VR just yet. After this partial PC upgrade, I just want to see what i can improve, (if any) using my trusty G2 for just awhile longer. The quest 3 was what I considered but I keep reading both positive and negative comments concerning it when used with MSFS2020. Maybe some software updates will alleviates this with a little more time so i'll take a wait and see approach. Also the base price sounded like an easy buy, HOWEVER: Everyone recommends must buy additions adding more $$$$$, not a mid range price anymore, LOL. (Thanks to runaway inflation; Mid range isn't $500 anymore like what I had in mind, it's more like $1K; OUCH!
Thanks for solid advice there, and good to know you can't be 'bought' (loved your statement in the video). Seriously considering the Quest 3, when I get rid of my 1080ti-rig.
Rest assured I'll always give you my honest thoughts and opinions. Thanks for watching, it's good to hear from someone still rocking a 1080ti. What a legendary GPU that was (and still is). Cheers.
I have a quest 3 and for the money. I think it's the best starter vr headset.
G2 owner here, had lots of fun with it but now I finally made the move and ordered a Crystal (with your code and saved 47 euro!). I will however keep my G2 and use it for co-piloting and other things. Got a cable replacement a while back so it will hopefully be going strong for quite some more time.
Congrats Leo! It's my fav VR headset for flight simulation for a reason :)
I will wait. My G2 is good enough at this time and i want a Headset with variable Dioptersetting. I can't understand why that is not possible because every Binoculars got this. BtW i use Lenses. I am interested in the Shiftall Products.
So many flight sim youtubers pushing Pimax and I can say after using the 8k for a while I had to send it back. Nearly all Pimax reviewers avoid talking about the warping you get when moving your head in the cockpit. It's a complete emersion killer and you can still see a small amount of screen door. I went back to the G2 and was relieved to be using it again.. not perfect but way better than the Pimax.
There is no SDE in the Crystal at all and distortions are a non issue. Unless you are referring that to the 8K, which I've never recommended on the channel. The 8KX however, is pretty good now, it's just taken Pimax way too long to get there.
PIMAX headsets are not plug and play but for those of us who take the time to tweak them I have never used anything better. I loved my 8k x and never experienced what you mention. My Crystal is even better but also needs tweaking at start
PIMAX headsets are not plug and play but for those of us who take the time to tweak them I have never used anything better. I loved my 8k x and never experienced what you mention. My Crystal is even better but also needs tweaking at start
It’s plug and play for me. I literally power it up, start Pimax software and play MSFs. What’s to tweak?
@@JM1701ABCD eye tracking , quadviews, to name just a couple
4:50 A quick look at pricing shows the Pico 4 is between 100 to 200 USD more than the Quest 2. They don't have price parity. At that price, you might as well just go for the Quest 3 if you wanted to be in the meta eco system.
As for the Reverb G2 cable, I have a hook screwed into the wall above my head height. And the cable rolled up and looped onto that. The two ends of cable hang down to the little power box and the headset. The headset itself lays on top a box (actually my printer). The headset is picked up for use, or to set off from the printer, by using the top strap of the headset for a handle. This setup keeps pressure off of the cables so they won't break the "wires" inside the cable wrap.
I do almost the same thing and agree no probs
is there anything i can do to allow turn-on & shut-off since they won't allow me to replace cable.
Like how I use to tell Quest 2 reviewers how bad the Quest 2 was compared to the G2. They would say I was crazy and the Quest 2 was way better, but they never tried the G2. Even the Quest 3 is not as good as the G2. The Q3 is very close to the G2, but if you are going to spend the money you might as well go with the Varjo Aero. My friend let me try out the Q3 and the lenses are amazing, but the clarity is still not there. After he got all the upgrades he was out almost $800.
Disappointed that rumours are that Pico will not be producing a Pico 5, at least not a consumer version. I really like my Pico 4 and with a DP connection that would be ideal for me
I don't understand why this video is just unrelated VR footage. If you have all of those head sets, show the ones you are talking about. If you don't have them anymore, just show some b-roll of them.
I am not saying this video is bad. Quite the opposite! But I feel like actually showing the headsets you are talking about would have raised the production value of this video so much more.
This is my style, I fly and chat at the same time. Sometimes I do produce better edited videos, but I don't always have the time. Thanks for watching
IMO there's limited benefit to seeing the same footage over and over again. Most of us have seen footage of most of the various headsets discussed already. If you don't know what a Reverb G2 looks like by now...
@@joelv4495 .. Agreed, plus people can always look them up on my channel if they want to see more. It would have taken me 3 times as long to make this video just to add 'a bit of b roll' to show VR headsets which have already been around for a long time now.
It’s a simple fact that what we see in the headset is never the same as a recording, no matter how that recording is made. For instance, you won’t see any screen door effect if it’s present.
@@Tygrmoth I gave up on through the lens videos a long time ago too, it's a waste of time and takes ages to get right.
This one surprised me. Honestly: your enthusiasm in some vid makes them sound like a giant ads to me. But i respect this vid. I don't know what others expect. My expection is to learn something new and get some kind of consultation on hardware. I expect that pros and cons are some kind of weighted. Since this vid concentrates on hmds that cannot be recommended for serious reasons, i get good benefit out of it, even though you weighted the cons stronger.
Glad you found it useful.
The unfortunate part is HTC does it's own thing and never seems to listen or care about what it's customer base says, HTC could be a amazing competitor in the VR market but instead are the laughing stock so agreed, stay away from HTC HMDs.
As for the DPVR E4, never tried one, but it only having one display panel and fresnel optics doesn't peak any curiosity here.
The Quest-2 is borderline, it has good display with good fresnel optics, but I would look for a used one to keep things cheap, my guess is this Quest-Lite is not going to be very good, too many compromises to keep costs down, my guess, it'll be borderline better than the Quest-2 if at all.
The Index, I have one, love the comfort but that's about it, it's resolution wasn't great at launch, 2 other HMDs had that resolution (Vive Pro and Samsung Odyssey), the stacked optics give a nice FOV but the glare and god ray level are through the roof. A modernized Index 2 could be a contender, but that never seems to happen.
Reverb G2...... Hmmmmm, this is a tough one, I find my G2v2 to be clearer (no compression) than my Quest-3, the biggest mistake HP made with the G2 was making it a WMR headset instead of a true SteamVR HMD (lighthouses), considering they had a collaboration with Valve in it's design.
Agreed, the G2 is getting dated and WMR no longer being supported makes it a iffy proposition to buy new, but a used one on the cheap still makes for a great simming HMD. :)
I have to admit, I do NOT like the way VR is heading, these stand alone HMDs are nice but for PCVR offer compression, so those great displays and optics aren't giving as good a image as if it were a true PCVR HMD directly connected to a GPU's Display Port.
And the ones that are true PCVR HMDs are priced out of the average Joe's budget (Aero, Crystal, Beyond, etc).
We all need something like a modernized G2, SteamVR based, high quality pancake optics and so on but at a affordable price point for the average user. Think that will ever happen? I don't. :(
Thankyou for sharing your thoughts, I have to agree with you. Regarding the Quest 3 lite, well, so long as it has those excellent pancake lenses, it will be worth the switch. Best wishes
@@VRFlightSimGuy So far, all rumors are the "Lite" optics will be Fresnel not pancake to keep costs down. :(
Also to keep costs down, no controllers, using hand tracking instead, that's okay for simming but not so great for general VR games and such.
@@jackr.749Ouch 😢
I have a Quest 2. I never use it as I can't stand having something strapped to my face. Tobii Eye Tracker 5 blows any VR out of the water.
It really doesn't. But thanks for your comment 😄
Well done Steve. (One) of the reasons while your opinion and channel is so well thought of.
Thankyou so much John, that really means a lot!
Of course, you could just have listed them in the description… but I guess making viewers actually watch the video through improves your monetisation.
Could somebody summarise in a comment?
lol sorry to tell you there's no hidden agenda. I just forgot. Jeez. It doesn't take long to search for them on my channel and you would have found them quicker than making this comment.
Love the video, thanks. How about a video for "The VR Headsets in 2024 You Should Buy"?? Thanks in advance.
Thanks John, that's next :)
Glad you didn't include the Pico4 Steve, what I can say is that when I first bought mine and was running a 7700X and 3090 it was only the pancake lenses that put it above the Qeust2, but I recently tweaked my system up to a 7800X3D and RX 7900 XTX and WOW what a difference, I always remember in any videos for the Pico4 you always stressed it needed a top end GTX card and I can now see why, what a headset if you have a high end card, massive quality and fps jump that's definitely shown what it can really do!!
This video could greatly use timestamps in the description!
Sorry about that, noted for next time. I didn't think the video was that long
Reverb G2 is an OK headset, but it's been collecting dust since I got Pico 4 and now Quest 3. Firstly it too front heavy and 2ndly it's sweetspot is just abysmal. Opponents and stars get blurry and "smeared" outside a center while dogfighting in Elite dangerous and IL2. It's been decided, my G2 and P4 are going on Ebay, Q3 lenses ruined them for me.
Things are certainly moving on, the once legendary Reverb G2 is now showing is age.
That’s very useful to know, thanks! Which gpu are you using?
I never felt the G2 was front heavy. The Pico 4 is really light and I wish it had more support outside of China. The Quest 3 is my favorite for now, but I am surprised at how heavy the front is. I am using it with the Bobo VR which helps a lot!
I would say anything Before Quest 3 and Bigscreen Beyond is not worth buying. Especially since we are in 2024 and new headsets are coming out. People should really be going for newer generational headsets in this year. Last Gen will be discontinued shortly. We have made so many newer technological jumps since last generation VR headsets. This is coming from a man who is still using the OG 2016 HTC Vive setup and Vive Tracker 1.0 and base stations 1.0. I am looking to upgrade much later this year. I would say the next 8 months I am willing to wait for all the headsets to be announced and released. I might even upgrade in 2025 depending on announcements. As for the Apple Vision Pro. I feel like it is meant to fail. I also feel like the Apple Vision pro has a goal to show the industry what the vision of VR\AR\XR should be and not what it currently is. Apple is usually a trend setter. So maybe in the next two generations of VR headsets. We may see similar upgrades to what Apple has delivered so far. On top of everything I have said. VR in its current state is really fragile. These companies do need profits. So, buy what you can now or save your money for next Generational purchase. I would recommend the latter.
Edit: If you are wondering why I have not made any upgrades. It is because there has been nothing worth upgrading too as of yet. Yes, 2016 HTC Vive video is okay for my needs. Yes, Headset does still get some software upgrades. **Actually, had one a few nights ago**. I was hoping that HTC would take their heads out of their asses and actually make a proper sequel to the 2016 headset. It is just that good when it comes to durability. Would like to see the headset size shrink to something like the Bigscreen Beyond.
In 2024 I got the quest 1 because I got stuck with really bad google cardboard vr and honestly...... ITS A HUGE UPGRADE WITH PCVR and lil bro got quest 2 👍
Still using G2 over Quest3, mine fits so well, Extreme clarity, and using foveated rendering and so on…
If you had quest 3 you would use it more than useless G2.
DP always wins :)
@@24News-t5i I got Q3, but like he says, DP always wins. Had Q3 just put one in :(
@@24News-t5i I got a huge sweetspot in my G2. Im lucky in that way
@@24News-t5i i have a g2 and payed a lot for it bro, what do you want me to do, throw it out. do you suggest anything else? where can I can the one YOU recommend for free? Geez, lighten up
I REALLY hope some smart people out there can make a third party solution for Reverb G2. It is my absolute favorite headset of them all and perfect for what I -and many others use VR for.
I went from OG HTC Vive, to Vive Pro, to Vive Pro 2. I returned the Vive Pro 2 (couldn't stand the washed out grey layer when in complete obscurity in Half-Life: Alyx).
Still unsure if the Bigscreen beyond is worth it for me. The Vive Pro is almost perfect for my use case already (although it might not be for you).
hi, i just upgraded from 3070 to 4080 super. whats best vr headset to get? is quest 3 good for msfs? im only interested in pcvr, not standalone
i got a pico 4 pro , so far so good. but i cant compare to anything else as it is my first VR headset
Its the best headset under $500. I have one and I don't touch standalone with a 10 foot pole. I got it for the portability with a laptop, but my desktop pc is running a Varjo Aero. That's visually a much better headset, but you honestly can't go wrong in Feb 2024 with a Quest 3 for PCVR
with microlimp killing wmr i was looking for a replacement for my g2 ..but saying that i bought my g2 a year ago an still have 18 months before windows 10 looses support then anthor 6 moths after that on windows 11 23h2 build so rather then sell my g2 like everyone is doing now im going to keep it until its well an truly dead because there is nothing on the market that can compete with it in it price range an I'm not going back to peasant vr resolutions like the vive or compressed vr like any standalone . by the time g2 is done i would have money saved at my leisure,. There will probably be better headsets on the market or the current top headsets may have some more realistic pricing ether way i would have spent my time in an excellent headset an got my moneys worth out of it . I just don't see the point in selling only to be forced to buy something not as good with a bucket load of money i don't have lol
I own the VP2 because it has a compatibility with some professional CAD i am using so i can tax deduct it. anyways, about the sweet spot i agree, it is small but i got used to it and don't notice it anymore. colors are awesome. resolution is great. but one thing stays: stacked lens/glare is annoying. heat issue i don't see at all! so only in one point I agree ..
I worked in Corporate video for some years for Sun Alliance.... It's quite normal for them to see the footage and sign it off........
That's not how I work here 👍
Great Channel. Have you ever done the Lens upgrade to a HTC Vive/pro/2 ? Ive read very good things.
Thanks for another informative headset. Having said that I feel compelled to suggest that you refrain from using 'click bait' tittles. Let your content speak for itself, it is good! Having a title that reads: Do NOT buy these VR Headsets in 2024... (You've been warned) is over the top. Why not just say Headsets I don't recommend in 2024 ? It's short, to the point and avoids potential viewers thinking your just looking for views. Just my 2 cents.
Hey Mark thanks for the feedback. However, I don't feel this is a click bait title since I truly feel it's important to stress not to buy these headsets now. There has to be a certain level of "title interest" as that's how YT works. But I do take on board what you are saying. Best wishes.
I got QP last year and it is superb for simming!
I agree. I have the Quest3 and G2 as well, and I prefer the Quest Pro of the bunch. Visuals are great. I find it easier to tweak the lower resolution (than the Q3) to framerates I can live with. Biggest benefit: since it is open on the bottom I can see my controls and kneeboard if want to.
@@deucemckenzie True. Have you tried quad views app it changed the game for me in Dcs? Msfs does not have foveated rendering based on eye tracking... it improves fps by at least 30%. Hope next one has it.
I have a Valve Index and love it. I tried to upgrade to the BigScreen Beyond and honestly didn't like it one bit. The focus point was way too small for flight sims. I hear they made an eye tracking one.. I might try that. I also tried the Varjo Aero and that one I really didn't like at all. Very uncomfortable and was a pain to get working. I sent them both back. Waiting on something better. I will stick with the valve.
Just got an Aero myself and I quite like it. I don't have much of an issue with the vertical FOV. Though the quality of life compared to the Index... is poor. The index can wake the base stations and put them to sleep via bluetooth. Obviously it is nicely integrated into steam and it just switches off. Also, never thought I'd say this but: the Aero doesn't switch off. Even Varjo says to just unplug it. Yo my man... how hard is it to program it to switch off? So I found some smart plugs and put those on the base stations and the headset.
You haven't any reference to users with outdated PC hardware. So taking into account older hardware and people who do not have deep enough pockets to upgrade in today's economy, what would you recommend? Does the Q2, or Index make that cut?
Rift S might still be an option if you can find a decent second one. Although what do you mean by "out dated"? That can mean a million different system configurations 👍
The best vr headset in the world right now is Varjo Aero. 900 dollars. Coming from Pico 4 will be a huge difference. Pimax vs Varjo the difference is like G2 vs Pico 4, almost no difference.
The Pimax Crystal looks much better than the V Aero, especially with its wider FOV and QLED panel. However, the Aero will always have a special place in my heart and I still love using mine.
I still love the Aero even though I bought it just a month before that price drop (although still on deal so price wasn't too bad). That was coming from the G2. There are a couple of things I wish I knew beforehand if only for it not to be a surprise. The stereo overlap on the Aero is poor, on my eyes at least, Theres a pronounced inverted V to the left of my vision when in it. My brain mostly tunes it out but still. Secondly the view is restricted. I use it primarily for racing simulators so it kind of has a realism there in that you'd be wearing a helmet that would restrict the view a little anyway but I'd definitely like something wider both horizontally and vertically then I'd consider switching to VR for MSFS too.
I've not tried the Pimax so I can't comment but it was that or the Aero when I upgraded. We often have younger family members using the headset and I was concerned by the bulk of the Crystal as well as Pimax's reputation. By comparison I've twice had a couple of set up issues related to Aero and Varjo have always responded within 24 hours and stayed with me until I get it sorted. On a i7-12600k with a 3090 (can't find a decent priced 4090 if I wanted one) I can get 90fps locked in Assetto Corsa and rFactor2 with excellent visuals almost as good as my 4k screen. So I feel the combination of everything just works and I probably won't feel an urge to change until something breaks, or Varjo release a new version of the Aero with better stereo overlap and a much wider FOV
I have Quest 3 and not happy I don't iracing and can't get rid of shimmering and blurry I've tried everything... Looking for a Pinax sponsorship lol
How do you make it look so easy? I spent over a week on the tarmac in the a 10c in dcs just learning startup and take of and landing! Very sad ,not afraid to admit it😂 on monitor no vr yet and I can't even launch a missile! I was thinking about quest 3 but I hear it is like watching 2 screens, is that right? I have the money but I don't really want to spend£400+ pounds on a miserable experience. Any reassurance ..and recommendations would be great.
haha thanks. I often wonder how I manage to remember the start up process of so many aircraft! Quest 3 is a great all round VR headset, but it suffers not having a direct display port for PC VR. I'd personally recommend the Crystal Light :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy 🙂
If you want different places to fly try flying NZDN to NZQN IFR it’s a short flight but great views.
Also Aspen to Denver is another great flight under snowy conditions.
I’m in a real dilemma having only my G2 V1 but it runs perfectly on my Windows 11 all AMD pc but it will need to be replaced one awful day. I did go trough two V2 cables and hope my V1 cables keeps on going. Have a great zoek werk and yes get out more. I fly where the sun shines in live weather always and Argentina was superb beautiful. Great landscape and stunning rivers
I like my crystal. Keep in mind it’s my first ever VR headset. The only issues I’m experiencing is at night in the sim (MSFS) it becomes really fuzzy n blurry for some reason. I’m running 7950x3D n 4090 on a 4TB 990 Pro M.2 along with a 2TB 990 Pro M.2. If I can solve this issue the headset is God-like.
That’s the local dimming. Known issue with the crystal. You have to go into the Pimax settings and turn the local dimming from extreme to balanced. Had that same issue and that fixed it. What you’re seeing is blooming.
I would have to disagree with you on HTC, but only on the HTC Vive XR Elite. I can't speak to any other HTC headset. I own two VR headsets, the HTC Vive XR Elite and the Pimax Crystal and I have to say I prefer the XR Elite over the Crystal if I could only have one. Here is my reasoning. The XR is very light and well balanced, very comfortable to wear with none of the heating issues you mentioned for other HTC headsets. The XR's stand alone features are very good and the MR part is what really surprised me. It's not perfect and I'm not going to try and argue that it has better image quality than the Crystal because it does not. The Crystal has a bigger better image but it comes at a large cost. The Crystal is heavy, very heavy and very poorly balanced as it is very front heavy. Unlike the XR it's passthrough cameras are black and white instead of color so MR isn't even a thing with the Crystal. Speaking of stand alone the Crystal is an absolute joke in stand alone. There's no software available for stand alone and what few software titles there are all but one free app must be purchased, unlike the XR which came with numerous free apps. Additionally the XR has a huge advantage when it comes to just connecting it to a system. The XR can connect over wifi, which allows connecting an external battery pack for really long VR sessions. Or you can connect via USB C. The Crystal requires a DVI port and two USB ports to connect over a rather janky hub Pimax supplies. HTC keeps rolling out optional upgrades with their best in class body trackers and now releasing the eye and face tracking module for the XR. Did I mention the XR is very light and small and is very easy to travel with as well? In the end everyone's use case and opinions are going to be different this is just my experience.
Love your channel and your videos, thank you so much for all your work mate.
I'm personally still using the Reverb G2 for sim games and will keep using it until either the wmr support ends or (hopefully) we'll get a new HMD from Valve in the next 2 years (I'm also considering Pimax Crystal and Bigscreen Beyond but holding off for now since I just upgraded to an RTX4090 high end PC and don't have the funds right now after that lol) .
Regarding the Quest 3 lite (and I apologise if this has been mentioned before): while not officially confirmed by Meta yet, it's very VERY likely it will have Fresnel Lenses. I'm basing this on articles by UploadVR, Road2VR, some other outlets and my personal correspondences with f.ex. David Heaney from UploadVR. And it makes sense budget wise for Meta to not use Pancake lenses for a 200-300$ HMD, especially since they will use the Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2.
We'll see soon I guess but sadly I'm not very optimistic that the Q3Lite will have pancake lenses. If it had (or it does for 100$ more) I'd buy that in an instant.
Thankyou for your kind words of support. Yes I've since realised this new "lite" version will most likely have Fresnel lenses. I'd keep getting more use out of that Reverb G2 if I were you. Best wishes.
Brother, are you really have that same vision on the headset that you are showing in this vídeo??? I do have a Pimax 8K plus, the fov is ok, but is too haevy!!! It will be an amazing headset if I can see “inside of the headset” the same view you can see at the screen of your computer…
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VR Flight Sim Guy hi i get anoyed out of teh blue, the HP reverb G2 is now start flicering like a disco light, its so fucing bad, do you have any isdea why this hapend? and what i should chek out? its defently time to upgrade this googles
You are an absolute madman, almost hit the fuel truck and a haircut for the ground staff! You'll need to call the tower for a number, the FAA would like a word...
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I’m going to start calling you the Oracle Lol. 😂
For some reason people do and it genuinely makes me feel sick 🤢😂
I recently got fed up with my G2 after having gotten used to the Quest 3. For most uses. Unfortunately, the Q3 isn't working in MSFS for me. I have a 10th gen i9 and a 4080 and it's pretty bad, and that's with the link cable. I'm on my second one because I returned the first one because of how bad it was in FS. After I saw there were updates I bought another one. Not any better but I held on to this one for everything else because touch controllers are the best out there.
Have you tried any of the VRgineering headsets? I know they aren’t commercially available but just curious what you thought of the wide FOV if you have.
We need a new video about the varjo. Is it worth it still? Is the reprojection good now?
Good suggestion thanks Mark. I'll make that video this week
why would the reverb g2 not keep working with microsoft flight sim 2020 if ..... ?? what could change?
Sold my G2 just in time. Feel bad for the buyer but I didn’t know that would happen. It’s a good headset still and the cables are easy to buy still. Just expensive.
Don’t know when I’ll get back into VR flight. Expensive hobby :)
what do you mean? I still have it, (what is meant by just in time)?
@@dabneyoffermein595 just the discontinuation of MS WMR.
Great video! Love from Norway ♥♥♥♥♥
Thank you my friend 😊
Im going Quest 3 cuz I cant afford anything else. Tobi eye tracker will also on my list😅
I have a Quest 3, fantastic headset but also a Valve Index, the thing about my Index is the video cable to the PC. it takes a lot of adjusting to get the signal to the headset. Unplugging then plugging back in to get it going, very annoying
The varjo aero should be on that last theyve all but abandoned it. Mine along with most users has been unusable for almost a year now and theyve no plans to fix there software issues and dont even market the headset anymore. Thanksfully i bought a crystal but im left with 2.5k aero ornament
I bought my Aero in May 23 and have been delighted with it. DFR works and the optical adjustment tool to reduce chromatic aberration works. I just wish vertical FOV was larger; that's about my only issue with it. I count six updates to Varjo Base software during 2023; yet you say it is abandoned. Sorry you had a bad experience, but mine is completely the opposite of yours. This youTuber has a number of videos about the Aero so I think your "most users" comment is inaccurate.
I warned everyone that Aero is a scam, but many didnt listen...
@@madigorfkgoogle9349 I actually said they where a scam in discord tonight oddly enough 😂 that's how it feels all I'm saying is if pimax done what they done even the slashing the price in half after saying it was a premium headset and future proof they would be torn apart by UA-cam channels
@@madigorfkgoogle9349😂😂
@@C6v1999 there you go now varjo have announced it's aero is discontinued and won't be supported in another two years so I was right days ago when I said they abandoned it
It should also be made clear that with Microsoft Flight Simulator, the quality bottleneck is the GPU, not the headset. Because unless you have a RTX 4090 you won't get the most out of it anyway, by far.
MSFS 2024 will be here soon which may change things...
I don't know if I agree with this. The primary thing new HMD's give us resolution increases. Most gpus can push the resolutions IF you turn down other graphical settings. Fidelity even if other graphics down low is super important for comfort and useability.
@@sirgriffinman I have an RTX 3080 and I am very, very far from being able to play Flight Simulator on my G2 with optimal clarity, even if I set details to minimum. To keep the game smooth enough I need to be agressive on DLSS while not pushing too much upscaling at the same time, while on a top notch GPU I could set the upscaling much higher and set DLSS lower or no DLSS at all. The upscaling in particular makes a world of difference. So basically the resolution of the G2 if you have "only" an RTX 3080 is not that usefull because your GPU can't use it to its actual capability.
I own a 4090 and I can tell you, that also the CPU is a very big bottleneck. Now i have a 5800x3d and get solid 80 FPS. With a 5900X it was just 60 fps. The best results at this time you will recive with the 7800x3d or 7950x3d. Hope so much, that the performance is better in msfs 2020.
Waiting for either when the RTX 5090 comes out or when my G2 gives up for good and see what is available then. Crystal doesn't do it for me. It may be the best image for simulation but you're paying both literally and in terms of comfort for a decision by Pimax to try and target the standalone players. Odd decision when it's far too pricey and bulky to be attractive for them anyway. They should have just made the vest simulation headset they could and forget the rest.
My g2 it’S ok 🤣
Mine is too. So I don't see your point?
@@VRFlightSimGuy I have no intention of buying a new VR in 2024. Pimax is really too expensive.
@@KnightIta07You don't have to. Enjoy it while it still works. Should be a couple of years or more (fingers crossed)
If u have chance to buy G2 buy it!!!
It's very cheap now. You can easily buy spare cable. And it will be supported next couple years!!!
@@303HOLYONE i have g2 👍
Can anyone list the headsets he talks about so I can scroll to the relevant parts of the video?
G2 still going strong? that's what i have, ......are there any fixes for it?
I love the idea of the VR-4, but isn't supposed to be around $4,000.00? That doesn't even make it a viable choice for someone like me. Who is spending that much on a vr headset?
I might (but I'm weird)
I play only on PC with driving and flight simulators, and I'm looking for a headset with a clear image, perfect colors and good contrast and black levels. Which one can you recommend?
yes.
Thanks for the video, Steve. I'm still using my G2 because I just cannot get my Q3 to work properly with VD. I works flawless for a couple of minutes, then all hell's let loose as the screen freezes for a gew seconds and then flickers until I exit VR. I have a dedicated 6g router, but it hasnt made a difference. Guess Im stuck with the G2 for now.
My pleasure, although sorry to hear you are having issues with freezes. Might be worth running through the settings I use here: ua-cam.com/video/duB_JLoHsGA/v-deo.htmlsi=2BA0Js8zhDVsj2ob
@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks Steve. I've used your settings. I get great visuals, but then I seem to get massive latency issues and the headset freezes. I've heard that this is something that Meta are looking into, but I don't know if that's true.
@@darthmelbius thanks for taking the time to reply. I've tried the link cable, and it works. The problem is that I have a motion rig and I use motion sensor compensation in OpenXR. It's not supported with Oculus and I can never get MC working with OpenVR.
The utter hardware poshness of this video knows no bounds. Harrumpf I say.
Wow thankyou sir what what and all that
If you had a quest 2 what would you upgrade to from that? I'm looking to strictly do PCVR (Truck sim, flight sim, and iracing). Also, how do you manage button boxes in VR?
Since you are doing sim games, I could not recommend the reverb g2 more. The absurd resolution makes reading gauges and far off things very easy.
@@solopeyton7168 well, with WMR getting killed off soon there are better options to consider.
At that same pricepoint the Quest 3 is a viable option, but if its something more expensive you wanna get, you can get a Bigscreen Beyond and everything needed for it for a little under $2k and it will provide probably the best comfort out of all the other options. Clarity and FOV beats the G2 as well.
Probably the Crystal in that scenario but value wise the Q3 is for sure king. Granted that the inside out tracking is working good now on the Pimax which I'm not sure about. If I could have tested them all beforehand I probably would have just gotten the Q3 and used it until one of the higher end sets becomes too hard to pass up in the next few years.
Pimax is garbage, don’t buy unless you like troubleshooting constantly. Most unreliable headset I’ve ever owned and the screen quality isn’t good enough to be worth the headache.
Thanks for the video
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I don't think you tried the Pico neo 3 link??
Glad to say I have now, although I never made a video. I really liked it actually. I noticed the sweet spot seemed much bigger than I expected for Fresnel lenses, but wasn't a fan of the colours.
@@VRFlightSimGuy it's a headset that's get better with a faceplate change, as standards is very far from lenses.
Out of the headsets I have here, it gives best stereo overlap and best edge to edge (quest 3 vignette and has terrible overlap so it's edge to edge is meh)
Shame, I've done some custom drivers for the display port which really make this thing shine and improve the image alot more than what steam vr supersampling can provide.
If you ever get another give me a shout, most things shared on my channel relating to it as it's become my go to headset, just needs a few little mods which can be done cheaply and it's unmatched in its price range really
Do you have videos on your channel on how to optimize it? I'm looking at buying one and it seems you mention it takes some tinkering to make it really awesome. Id like to know what faceplate you use as a replacement to make it better@virtuallyreal
@@sellecksprodigy I personally use a 3d printed faceplate with an old quest 2 face pad I have and that fits me beautifully.
But you can also mod a Pico 4 faceplate and attach by tape.
For PC display port I've made configurations that are simply drag and drop to install, pretty simple to do if you don't understand/ want to know what distortion values do for the custom drivers.
They'll be videos on it all sure 😉
So sad. I don't see high end pcvr hardware being affordable for most for a long time. I just don't. I guess my G2 becomes a paperweight around 2026. Then I may be forced to be done with VR. The Quest3 without a 4090 also sounds unreachable.
Don't worry. By end 2025 I think a brand new mid range headset will appear put of the blue. There is now too much demand for this not to happen...
I've heard from quite a few simmers now who love the Quest 3 on 30 series cards, I wish I had one to test
It would be nice if the Varjo XR 4 would work with SteamVR. A fairy tale I'm afraid. Currently the worst software of all VR glasses on this earth. Varjo please urgently update your software so that people can enjoy these glasses!
@@johnnyalbrecht41 Sad to hear that, hopefully they can sort this out soon
@@VRFlightSimGuy For this high price, you expect this to work with Steam. Now it is in the box in the cupboard and I can only hope for a quick software update that works with these glasses, but I fear that it will be solved quickly, it is actually wasted money.
Thank you for this.
My pleasure!
Makes Sense, Thanks for your Honesty as always, and yes, please fly somewhere else! lol, there's a whole world out there
Anybody have any knowledge about when the release date for the Pimax 12K happens to be?
I'd love to know too! :D
I like that you can taxi your wing right through the fuel truck! LoL! God Bless You for standing by your integrity!
The top headset not to buy is actually the Varjo XR-3 Focal Edition. If you do, your marriage or relationship will be over. You've been warned!
Hopefully you are not speaking from experience there!
@@VRFlightSimGuy 😆
you sir are the VR flight sim jedi master
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which one you do recommend?
I will have a video out later about that
vive pro 2's are defective they overhear.
No wai! Not my ya big jerk! jk Excellent points for newcomers. I'm hopeful for some progress this year. I've gone from the Rift S to Reverb G2 and want to get a wider FOV w/ inside out tracking and higher res. The WMR issue is the nail in the coffin. 😥
tank you Steve❤
What about the bigscreen beyond? Or is it just a hype?
Plenty of videos of this headset on the channel... And more to come.
Nothing shocking in this video. You are actually just tellinh us not to buy outdated headsets. And thats fair. I am a Crystal owner my self, and with 4090 and i9-14900K its just a thrill to use. The clarity is insane, and thats at 80% resolution. Think what it can do with a 5090 and future upgrade of the CPU. 👍
The DP E4 is a new VR headset and many YTs are for some reason recommending it when it's garbage. Glad you are enjoying the Crystal. It does look fantastic even when downsampled, but I use mine at full native resolution, using foveated rendering with eye tracking gives me a nice steady 45fps locked.
I have Pico 4 and i like to play Automobilista 2 in vr, which is the best simracing for VR. The clarity and colors in this game is so good with Pico 4. I think with Varjo or Pimax this game will looks like im playing in a 4k monitor.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Yes, the DP E4 is new, thats right. About the Crystal, I get 38-44, depending on weather and terrain (cities, etc). Settings turned wap up, everything on Ultra or High. I run it without Smart Smoothing. Do you get SS to work? When I enable it I am down to 35-36 FPS. I thought I would get 72 FPS, but no. 🤷♂️
I am not really sure if the eyetracking is working properly. When I do the «circle test» in Pimax Play, the dots sometimes react, and sometimes they don’t…. I actually render through Steam VR, I find the picture to be more natural then using Pimax XR an OXRT.
I have tried native resolution, (had to turn settings way down) but I didn’t really notice much difference from 80%, so I keep it at 80%, and can then turn up settings.
@@arride4590 Well, I don’t think you can expect «4K monitor quality» in any VR headset, but yes, its getting better. I started with Oculus Rift back in the days, and the improvement has been HUGE!!!! 👍
Don’t listen to VR Flight Sim Guy. He bandwagons vr headset manufacturers and pushes their product to line his own pockets… couple of months he was dissing Pimax and Meta earlier last year. Now, he making videos and post almost every day, talking about the color accuracy and how beautiful things are when he knows he said that last year already. The truth is don’t do anything this guy recommends because he’s not in it for your interest. His perspective is totally different because he’s tried everything, so how could you advise people who haven’t. We don’t have the same reference points, so why are you bothering telling us how every headsets are?? just say that you’re getting paid for us to purchase through your link.
I think everything he said makes sense. I have G2 and I already have similar opinion about what headset to buy.
The fact that he has tried every headset is precisely what makes him the right guy to advise people on what is best, duh.
I fell aspheric lenses are also a thing that needs to left aside