DEBATE: should judo stay in the Olympics? (Jimmy Pedro)
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- This video is an interview with Olympic champion medalist and World champion Jimmy Pedro.
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BJJ is already popular and way better organized than Judo in the US. Just get them to ban pulling guard and then everybody will need to train judo to be competitive in BJJ. Plus we get our leg grabs back. But trying to get BJJ guys in my club to stand up is like trying to herd cats. No better way to clear a BJJ club than saying "Hey, who wants to get after some judo?"
Jigoro Kano actually wrote about this. He stated it was important to teach throwing techniques first. Because if you taught ground work first, the students would not want to learn throwing techniques.
To be honest: When I was running my Dojo, the guys that wanted to focus on ground work were afraid of the throws. They didn't want to learn Ukemi. They came up with all kinds of excuses. But the truth of the matter: They were scared.
This. ^
Making people roll on the floor when one can't fight standing up, after the match starts off standing, is sad. I also think thete should be pins, because jits rules are basically for people who can't grapple but just want to spoil, but if you don't force them to roll and include pins, that is the end of bjj.
@CoelhoSports pins are artificial, whereas submissions are uncontestable. A pin is only tactically a win if it's followed by something: your buddy with a weapon on the battlefield, or a submission applied from superior position. To declare the pin to be "enough" to call it victory is to leave out the important last step.
It's so difficult to understand your level of English, poor English
If BJJ were prohibited from pulling guard, BJJ fighters would be forced to improve standing then yes, BJJ would be perfect
Football was already a Big Sport regardless of the USA audience! Honestly, no one in Europe, Latin America, Africa and Asia knows anything about american players and teams, WE JUST DON'T GIVE A FUCK about the USA in Football. And Football (the real one, with a spheric ball) is a big, healthy and profitable sport without the american audience! Jimmy is wrong about this due to his nationalistic views.
With the rest of what was said, I agree. We have a problem with the current rules of Olympic Judo, not doubt about it, but we don't need to take Judo out of the Olympics to solve this, we need to protest, olympians Judokas need to speak their minds and the audience need to support them... It's POLITICS, has always been and we need to do our part. 🇧🇷
Apparently the world didn't care about football/soccer until the Americans got involved and saved the sport from extinction! 😂
It’s hard for Yankees not to be 100% self centered. In fact, I don’t even understand why we have to constantly hear their whining all the goddamn time about how they don’t do judo. Then fine! Don’t do judo if you don’t want to and leave the rest of the world be. Is there any other place on earth that thinks the planet revolves around them as much? And apparently, no one care for soccer before they chimed in? Please, that’s embarrassing.
@@marty6522 Sure, buddy. We Football fans and hooligans live and breathe just cause the USA allows.
Stupid ass country, that's why even the societies that are you're allies don't like you guys, at all. So self-centered, that it seems like an American citizenship norm and requirement.
south americans and africans and asians contribute so much to football economics that all their best players are in europe and the USA... if USA doesn't care about soccer and still gets top players from other continents, then arguing whether USA can explode the bank if it DID care doesn't follow basic math. it's not just football and sports in general. where is the flood of humanity from these places all going to? it would be easier to not be so self centered without over 30mil "undocumented" (about 1 in 10). at least ask permission before showing up and ring the doorbell.
tnx I was about to comment that
It literally makes no sense to remove Judo from the olympics.
protect the art from the CIO that has constantly watered it down
Chadi you hit the nail on the change the rules of Judo. Bring back the legs grabs and especially the flying armbars which makes Judo more exciting
Flying armbars were sparse even when they were allowed...with the fast pace of judo actions it's not an efficient move.
@mrburns2128 what are you talking they were extremely efficient. It's just that the Japanese were complaining so they got rid of it
@@vitorshaolin what kind of judo where YOU watching? Go and have a look at international matches before the ban (Judoinside/Judivision have a lot of them). I have seen more flying armbars in past paralympic judo, truthfully. Flying armbars during training in dojos or local competitions do not make your argument valid. Have a nice day
nonsense....
Mr. Pedro's final comment about needing to focus on those practitioners who are not going to be elite tier athletes is one of the most important and overlooked aspects of how judo is organized, taught, and practiced in the US.
I agree with you and Mr Pedro. Kano's vision was to create a system of education which develops the body evenly in an interesting and practical manner. It was not about the few high level elite tier athletes. BJJ seems to have taken up that mission in the US.
「投げ技は派手で鮮やかだが、寝技は地味でつまらない」というイメージが百年間続きましたが、今は逆転してるようですね。
投げ技はペドロや古賀のようなセンスのある人にしか出来ないが、寝技は誰でも出来る点がメリットですね。
それにしても思った以上にアメリカの柔道事情は絶望的ですな…😩
I think it's okay for Judo to stay in the Olympics. The problem seems to be when the Olympics becomes the end all and be all of Judo training, and the peak of competition.
Personally I wish there was a Kosen rules league in the US. That would be a fun tournament and it could attract Jiu-Jitsu players as well as Judoka.
@@brihno360 they have kosen tournaments in the US. they have one coming up in a few weeks in las vegas and had one same time last year in vegas. there was also one in the fall in PA i think. there are several a year.
Like Mr Pedro was saying, Judo is hard to do in the US. I have multiple BJJ schools near me and only 1 Judo school/club in my city that's not really an option to go to due to travel time. Then if you want to compete, you must be willing to travel to different states to find a decently ran tournament. Chadi, you mentioned that you could pay 300 euros for an entire year. That much money would only get about 2 months of school tuition here. I also completely agree to bring back classic rules so that it makes Judo viable grappling again. The entire body is available for attack and defense as well as different rules for the ground. Unless someone is on the Olympic path, classic rules and style should be taught and competed with. Judo community should own the rules and style not the IOC. To get people to watch and be of interest, do like some organizations are doing such as Karate Combat. Put events on and stream them online/youtube. People cant be interested if they cant see it. Make some fun events, lose a bit of the formality to gain popular interest. This will grow then funnel people towards the competitive line of Judo.
Judo had a chance to be an official college sport in the U.S. during the 60s but they squandered it.
usa judo no longer sanctions or allows its insurer to cover usjf/usja events. definitely check out AAU freestyle judo.
Great conversation Chadi. Thank you for the great content!
I think there definitely should be an olympic veraion of Judo, but that shouldn't exist at the expense of a more martially focused judo.
It's as easy as making a branch of judo with different ruleset. Don't remove olympic judo, just make other tournaments with a new ruleset like wrestling and bjj
The problem is not the Olympics. It's the Federation.
Football is big without the US. Don't be ridiculous Pedro.
Judo never worked in the USA because US people are TOO LAZY in wanting to learn the language and culture of another country! THAT SIMPLE!
If BJJ forced US people to use all Portuguese nomenclature, BJJ would NEVER have grown in the USA... EVER!
How do you hype judo up in America? Do what F1 did, create a Netflix series following the athletes
I'm quite curious about the continuation of this conversation
IJF should offer more diversity, like sambo or bjj does. No-gi judo, freestyle judo, newaza competition, offer courses to keep adults throughout their judoka career. If judo does not adapt and continues to restrict the potential of judo, it will quietly die.
It might come down to the higher rate of injuries in judo. Our club did both and our judo class shrunk quickly due to injuries whereas injuries in jiujitsu class were rare. Health insurance in the US is very expensive and the risk of the facility being sued is high.
There are no 50 year olds going all out on a Judo randori, unless they want to be in serious pain the next day. Meanwhile, every 50 year old BJJ guy can go all out on the 20 year old blue belts and live injury free to train the next day. I train with 60 year old guys, coukd not not do it if we were throwing each other daily. Judo is a young men's sport.
I'm a Brazilian, kids Practicing judo because of its values and discipline, there's nothing about Olympics, the numbers of brazilian judo players are falling against bjj, don't fall at all because government injecting resources in social projects, it's just a artificial number it's not because people are really interested in Practicing judo it's because it's cheap, but if you see bjj don't have the same support as judo people need pay to do it so bjj have a developed real values for the society instead judo developed values for the government.
The question are:
how to bring back real values to judo? We going to keep in this state of coma, if governments cut money to judo it's the end?
BJJ com valores? Só ser for os de estilo pitbull que construíram o BJJ no Brasil. o BJJ funciona melhor no Brasil em relação ao Judô por pois pontos:
1. Brasileiro não se dá bem com a disciplina do oriental, então precisa do treinamento descolado, largado, e bagunçado que é característica do BJJ.
2. Não há necessidade em ter que aprender no mínimo 500 termos em japonês, fazer Kata, avaliações externas e toda a parte oriental e cerimonial que o Judô exige.
Mais ou menos a mesma coisa nos EUA. O pessoal dos EUA é MUITO PREGUIÇOSO. Eles NÃO QUEREM ter que aprender outra língua e outra cultura. Por isso o Judô NUNCA deu certo lá e NUNCA dará.
O BJJ só funcionou porque eles não foram obrigados a ter que falar em português, pois, se fossem, o BJJ NUNCA daria certo nos EUA. Como eles passaram tudo para o inglês e basicamente se apossaram do BJJ com alguns até querendo chamar de AJJ, e claro, fazendo a máquina capitalista girar em cima de tudo isso, caiu como uma luva para eles.
I think the IJF is more the problem than the actual Olympics. Though both are corrupt in my opinion. All the rule changes are hurting Judo I feel. Many former Olympians don't even recognize competitive judo anymore. All sports evolve, but sometimes not for the better.
Excelente video
I am outside of a major city in the US and there are no judo clubs anywhere that I can find. However, I can name like 10 BJJ schools..
I'd love to talk to you about this, my friend. I have many different feelings on things getting popular. We should do another podcast soon!
PS - If you want something to be popular in the US, make a movie about it.
Judo never worked in the USA because US people are TOO LAZY in wanting to learn the language and culture of another country! THAT SIMPLE!
If BJJ forced US people to use all Portuguese nomenclature, BJJ would NEVER have grown in the USA... EVER!
Nonsense, the American audience is not crucial to sports going global. Football is global without American spectators
@12:48 -- Jimmy makes a key point. There is a big difference between people who do judo and those who don't. IMO, if you *love* Judo for its true identity - judo as a martial art, judo as a -do and not a -jutsu, etc. - then all attempts to change judo so people who don't do it will enjoy watching it just destroys something that you love. That's what the focus on international competition has done, and it's what Kano wrote about with real fear for his judo, should it ever become mainly a sport. Judo as a sport is bad.
Judo as a sport is necessary. Without him, bjj wouldn't even exist (not that I care about bjj). And speaking of bad sports, let's face it, there's nothing more unbearable than a BJJ fight...
Judo should have alternative organisation with more rules allowed
That's what I was thinking
Like the difference between amateur (olympic boxing) and pro boxing? I agree that would be cool, I think the reason there isn't is because there isn't really much of a market for it. Would love to see someone figure out a ruleset and marketing strategy that got people watching though
@@Sam-rb1id or maybe like karate and karate combat trying a format more entertaining
You can keep in judo, just modify the rules/point system. You can keep it as an ippon standing throw heavy sport and add something point wise for submissions. Would be curious if they did some more no gi judo. What would happen...?
you mean greco wrestling?
@@youmang There is no gi in BJJ as well. Not sure where Greco will look like catch wrestling will look like other grappling styles depending on goal. Grappling based on a goal of pinning will be different than grappling focused on throws vs grappling for submission.
@@jrs4321 I was only making the point that “no gi” judo would basically be Greco wrestling since they share and no leg grab rule. I love all things martial arts……except guard pullers and people sitting down to start a match.
@@youmang I hate the new Judo rules. You take a good combat sport and water it down because of Sambo/BJJ. Wouldn't be greco as you can have submissions. Agree completely with you on the guard pullers/sit down people. They only are alive because of rules protecting them from being slammed...
@@jrs4321 yeah I think judo needs to be taught as self defense and if you want to compete you adjust your tactics for competition.
Problem with BJJ is, that it is not a little bit interesting, if you sit 10m away from the fight. You see nothing.
Football/soccer is the most popular sport on the planet with or without the american market. It is kinda laughable to believe the american market is so important and football couldn't be a global success without the US.
Judo's issue isn't the Olympics, its the fact that its never been widely represented in MMA, which is one of the most watched sports in the U.S. To be clear, BJJ never became famous because its a fun sport to watch. Its probably one of the more boring ones to watch (I say this as someone who does BJJ). BJJ became famous because people saw it used in the first UFC events back in the early 90s and decided they wanted to learn it to fight, so they started looking for clubs to join. With Brazil being so close to the U.S., that led to a bunch of Brazilians coming over and starting highly profitable BJJ clubs. Then BJJ and MMA started exploding in the U.S. After the early American wrestlers like Matt Hughes and Randy Couture started having success in the UFC, you saw a shift in MMA to more wrestlers competing in MMA. Because of the IJF's rules against actively competing in Judo and other sports, MMA has never had a high caliber Judoka compete in MMA, let alone an American one.
The closest MMA ever had to that was Ronda Rousey, and she put Judo on the map for MMA. The issue with Ronda though is that she was a female competitor in a shallow female division in a mostly male dominated sport. She brought in a lot of female viewers and American eyes on Judo, but you'd need a male equivalent to really attract the mostly male audience into doing Judo. You'd need a stereotypical "All-American" type guy like a Matt Hughes, Randy Couture, Chuck Lidell, or Rich Franklin with high level Judo to really attract an American audience. Travis Stevens probably would have fit that mold I'm talking about, but he never transitioned into MMA. Americans just aren't going to be as interested in Judo by people from other countries, even high level ones like Fedor, Islam, Khabib, Sexyama, etc. You need an American to represent it.
Judo never worked in the USA because US people are LAZY in wanting to learn the language and culture of another country! THAT SIMPLE!
If BJJ forced US people to use all Portuguese nomenclature, BJJ would NEVER have grown in the USA... NEVER!
I started Judo at a club because i wanted to learn the traditional side.
Problem was very few trained regularly every week & they only came back to training just before competitions.
I because dissatisfied & left.
This was about 1994 so the decline has been there for years.
Karate-do is the same at least japanese karate "do" just sport especially Shotokan
Yes, and it should be televised, which it usually is not.
in the US, usja/usjf/AAU needs to arrange a syndicated series of tournaments with AAU freestyle ruleset, custom gi's with personalized ads sewed on back for athletes who have their own sponsors on independent stations with pyrotechnics, cheerleaders, mascots, stunts/acrobats, music, sponsors, kiosks selling merch, concessions, etc. maybe make a contender/ultimate fighter type reality series and other stuff that people can sub to online. most important thing: don't answer usa judo's or IJF's calls. definitely cooperate with kodokan but not IOC/IJF. the point is to jailbreak american judo.
It's not being in the Olympics that stagnates Judo, it's NOT being in anything else. BJJ is evolving rapidly in part because there are so many different competitive arenas. Gi, no gi, MMA, sub only, "combat BJJ", IBJJF, ADCC, etc.
If Judo made a point to branch out in similar ways the sport would grow.
"they" wanted a league in the US to make football a big sport???
Football is the biggest sport globally, with the most money, most participants, etc
What a silly response
I'm in tampa bay, and there are a few judo schools in this area, including rhadi ferguson's, but these are tiny schools with limited class schedules mainly focused on little kids. There is at least one jits school in every medium sized town in the bay area, and maybe half of the jits instructors started off competing at black belt in judo before entering jits, and many of those were also state tournament high school wrestlers before that. There are WAY more judo classes in the dozens of jits schools than in the few judo schools . Unlimited class plans at those jits schools, offering judo, gi, nogi, and sometime yoga and other stuff, morning, afternoon, and evening 7 days, are $180/mo or more, though.
Not only is judo a cottage industry that's non-existent in much of America, but the past few Olympics got dismal tv ratings. When i was a kid, the other tv networks wouldn't bother putting new content against the Olympics. They would just put up reruns. Now, epidlsodes of reality tv series rival prime time Olympics coverage. NBC has taken all the sports that used to carry Olympic ratings and put them on cable or their streaming service which is password protected. About 20 years ago well over 90% of US households had cable. Now it's far less than half and falling rapidly. I would be surprised if it's even possible for Americans to watch Olympic judo on American tv. You can't watch ANY Olympic boxing anymore on tv. All the boxing requires nbc streaming password. When i want to watch Olympic boxing, judo, wrestling, i usually watch foreign streams online, but find it less worth the effort as time passes.
They even tried to cut wrestling from the Olympics. When the Olympics cut baseball, the world baseball classic became way more popular than the Olympics baseball tournament ever was. The NHL pulled out of the Olympics and the sport has its own world championships and tournaments with national teams. Pretty soon, the only sports left in the Olympics will be synchronized swimming, those people prancing around with ribbons, and male figure skating. Abandoning USA judo and the IJF, and going to AAU freestyle rules and kosen with tournaments from youth to masters in every state might be the best thing that could happen to American judo. It could even beat out bjj with a better grass roots model free from usa judo, which is blocking their insurance company from covering USJF/USJA tournaments, the same way USA boxing has locked out all the big tournaments like ringside from insurance. Kodokan judo is better than bjj.
We'll see if the Paris games get any better traction but i think the Olympics are dying. With all the cable cutting NBC, if it still exists in 10 years (stock price down about 30% since 2021 high, rumors of sale, and elimination of carriage fees would bankrupt them) is going to stop handing the IOC billions (most IOC revenues come from broadcast rights and most of that is from NBC) and the Olympics is going to be mostly direct ppv streaming after that. IOC funding after 2032 could be slashed in half or more.
Judo never worked in the USA because US people are TOO LAZY in wanting to learn the language and culture of another country! THAT SIMPLE!
If BJJ forced US people to use all Portuguese nomenclature, BJJ would NEVER have grown in the USA... EVER!
I love this conversation, and the truth is Judo in America is an afterthought compared to BJJ like Jimmy said there only tiny number of active judoka let alone going to competition and alot are kids and not many older competitors for the fact that Judo is a tough sport. Also, here in Arizona, where I live, there is one Judo club at our community college, and the closest are either in Mexico to the south San Diego, Phoenix, or Tucuson unfortunately.
Ofcourse Judo should be in the olympics. The olympics is the pinnacle of the sport and it is the biggest thing you can do in judo!!!
But that pinnacle is becoming more like a pimple.
Maybe for people who have never experienced high-level judo.
@@The02lukas i was sitting in the seats of carioca 2 in rio in 2016. high level anything is impressive for anyone to participate in, but the olympics is on its last legs. we'll see if paris and LA can revive it a little, but the biggest stage for all these sports is diminishing in significance to everyone else and in 10 years IOC funding is going to be completely restructured. the best in judo deserve better than where this is going, and grass roots judo deserves better than what it is now.
More countries participate in the world championships
@@larryzach7880 Because you need to qualify for the olympics so it is just the top of the top.
My home club is about 2 hours away
I think what will help Judo in the US is having different rules formats. You can have the Olympic rules, but you should have others as well, such as classic rules or even kosen rules competitions. Take Karate for example. If you actually look at the competition world of karate, you have Karate Combat, continuous point fighting, discontinuous point fighting, kick boxing, and I'm sure there are others I can't remember off the top of my head. Some are officially recognized while others are not. There are even variations within some of those groups, all with varying levels of restrictiveness. Judo can do something similar.
There have been some significant efforts -- the freestyle judo community, for example. But too many Judo folks have an IJF-focused mindset, and look at anything else as substandard and not "real judo". If Judo can drop some of that elitist kind of attitude, and accept the idea that doing it differently sometimes would be good, maybe it could work. But that's an uphill battle, for sure!
@@yakovdavidovich7943 I think part of what feeds that is competition participation is part of how you get promoted in Judo in a way that doesn't even exist in BJJ. I could be wrong, but I believe you have to compete in IJF sanctioned events for your points to matter. That tends to foster an IJF or nothing mentality.
@@VTdarkangel well usa judo is blocking usjf/usja from being sanctioned and insured. they're monopolistic and political. usa judo is completely divorced from american grass roots judo, now. there are freestyle and nogi and kosen judo tournaments across the country, but american judo needs to jailbreak usa judo and build a separate architecture in communion with the kodokan that works for america. kano spoke english fluently from his youth and was well aware of american grappling and i'm sure he would have wanted judo to adapt and contribute to the quality of life of everyone everywhere and not become IOC/NOC property.
Bring back the submissions of judo
ONLY 400 PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE OF TEXAS?? No wonder my American cousin didn't know what Judo was.
Everyone should train catch wrestling! Throws, submissions and more.
Well, every sport tries to be in Olympic family, since its the greatest honour to be Olympic sport. And just because USA is not so great in judo-so what? Not everything spins around USA. True is that we always need a bigger media covering, but kicking out judo from Olympic, you would have to have unanimous decision globally....that will never happen.
It shouldn't be a a question of Olympics or not but focusing on developing the IJF World tour and World Championships and increasing TV audeinces at these events.
The IOC (International Olympic Committee) sold the Worldwide TV rights to Discovery that then sells TV rights to the BBC in Britain.
The BBC has a limited amount of hours and will prioritise more popular TV sports over judo and only cover British Judo medal fights.
So, the result is that for British grassroots judo and fans wil need to pay for a Discovery subscription to watch live judo at the Olympics.
In effect, this limits the increase of judo viewers and goes against the Olympic ideals and philosophy.
So only by building up judo viewers during the years between Olympics will Olympic judo become more popular and watched.
Judo just needs to un-ban its banned techniques and allow more ground game.
As far as making judo bigger or more popular. I like the sport because its less popular and i dont wanna hang out with a packed room full of bjj bros. Judo is beautiful and it being less mainstream just makes it more magical
Yes. It should stay. The end. One more thing: USA is not the only country in the world, so if they dont practice it, it is their problem. We (the rest of the world) do like Judo! 🥋🥋🥋
There’s more than 400 people doing Judo in Texas. Between every club, I’d say 1,600. But I get it.
Judo is one of the Olympic fighting sports. It is the same in the former Sowjetunion.
It comes from the world amateur movement. Of course today the amateur is no more necessary.
In contrast there is professional sport like po boxing, pro wrestling, pro bodybuilding and MMA. This is only for very special people and more than amateur sport a big show. Not many sportsmen can really live from their sport and it is a decision that can cost the possibility of working in a regular job or work.
So for the youth there must be a platform on amateur basis. So you can develop olympic fighting groups with fencing with sable, Olympic wrestling freestyle with Greco, judo, taekwondo in the USA in any primary school or high school, university (or elsewhere when you have money). You must find trainers that don't just look at the money return.
MMA will be the next step just for a small quantity after an amateur career with exceptions.
And you could make use of the Arnold Classic events.
Chadi
In a lot of countries where is only money in judo because it is a olympic sport.
If your planning to leave the Olympics than you need to begin to establish WHY it needs to leave. You need to develop the media apparatus that can showcase and hype talent. You need a 21st century Jigoro Kano and its not like when he did the unknown, there are teams out there that can help.
he's mentioned before why it's bad for ioc to have a stranglehold on the sport. the IOC doesn't really do anything showcase or hype talent other than just staging the games. even people who love and participate in judo don't get to watch very much of the olympic tournament, and the NOC's are usually political types out for themselves. grass roots judo is really where the sport lives in most places and that's where it needs to grow, hopefully independently from the politicians..
Soccer was a pretty giant sport before coming to America, maybe because of England? Soccer Olympics isn’t as big due to it being under 23 years of age unlike the WC.
Judo can do without the compromises it would have to make be popular in the Olympics.
The U.S is in many ways a closed culture and I would hate for it to become Americanized
as I do believe the U.S needs the values of Judo more than Judo needs to adapt to American culture.
Oh that’s cool that judo is put on by the city
In my opinion no sport gets recognition in the Olympics any longer it has become something other than what it started out to be and with the Advent of the internet you don't have people watching on a television you don't have groups of people that understand the Olympics as whole. The Olympics has become splintered. Runaway as fast as you can.
The Americans don't want Rugby but Football, they even don't love soccer. Nowadays the Latinos imported players of a certain quality. Cosmos New York was once a show troupe of famous pensioners.
The Americans don't want Cricket but baseball. The Americans like catch wrestling and freestyle but not Greco. If you talk oh hockey they think of ice.
So it is no wonder that they want BJJ and nir judo.
However this can change if some pioneers devolope some otger sports on Olympic ground.
The Formula 1 .entered also late the USA, 2005 even in Indianapolis. The Indy 500 is also an American Sport that seems to be more interesting for the Americans.
The MLS is irrelevant. The Wolrd Cup is the most watched sporting event in the world, problaby since the 80's . The 2023 had 5 billion viewers. And by the way the world cup was part of the olympics, they left but kept the traditional 4 years gap between events.
Bring the leg grabs back to make it more exciting
Judo with leg grabs was... not very exciting. Leg grabs sound cool until you realise it was mostly used to stall matches.
I think the Olympics and the desk jockeys involved have ruined judo by smothering it in rules to make it more "watchable" this was a nonsense idea as the only people who watched were Judoka, we didn't need it changed.
The leg grab ban was just a way for the japanese to avoid the western wrestling influenced judokas that were crushing the hip throw style japanese players. This bs about viewer friendliness is just an excuse.
Brazil won 21 medals last Games, not 10, lot of mistakes here
competition judo is BORING to watch.
sorry.
who wants to see two people trying to rip each other close apart and the throws are like what kids do
BJJ fights are infinitely more boring....
I can watch judo highlights all day
Which is the real problem: the Olympics, or controversial rules that are undemocratic? If almost everyone in judo agreed on a universal set of rules, what would be the problem with following those rules all the way to the Olympics?
Together we stand, and divided we fall. Judo can either continuously adapt to the world and survive, or stagnate. Instead of a sport merely deferring to the IJF or IBJFF or any other political entity for unquestionable authority, why not permanently maintain a democracy using First Principles? That is, just follow some simple, fundamental, constitutional principles that can be agreed on by all players in the world for one or more unified combat sports where, for instance, 1) the person who physically defeats* the other is the winner, and 2) players do not gets harmed* in most* cases. The words in asterisks can be subjectively but collectively defined by all players democratically and updated as needed. For instance, players who consensually accept the harm from punches and kicks and grappling can do a unified sport called “mixed martial arts”, while those who prefer non-striking but accept the harm from throwing, choking and joint locks can do a unified sport called “grappling” or something new called “judo” (version 2.0). Such new judo would be empowered by the entire canonical knowledge of all tachiwaza and newaza to date, including all of old and new judo and BJJ and beyond. Any and all techniques that respect the constitutional rules shall be deemed legal, and shall not be forbidden without a due democratic process involving all players. The rule making process must be democratic and not be corrupted by commercial greed or unnecessary bureaucracy; how such democracy can be achieved shall also be subjected to periodic debate and update. Judo, BJJ, sambo, wrestling, submission grappling, etc - all players can participate in this consensus making, and all effective techniques and scoring systems known to humans can potentially be absorbed into such a master grappling sport after some democratic consensus. Personally, I would start by analyzing certain principles already devised by those before us: absorb what is useful, reject what is useless; efficient use of force (seiryoku zenyo); mutual welfare (jita kyoei); help each other, be kind to each other (sojo, sojo).
A judoka can dream.
Nooooooooo !
Judo get out of JO and died !
Pedro is way out of touch about the realities of BJJ and Judo down here in Brazil. I've lived in a lot of cities, and nowadays the amount of BJJ schools compared to Judo schools may be on the order of 10 to 1. Everyone knows somebody that trains BJJ. Almost every male 40 and under has trained in it at some point in their lives. Judo nowadays is becoming a niche martial art, it's waaay easier to find a Muay Thai practitioner in Brazil than a Judo one for instance.
It’s hardly true Judo anymore in the Olympics.
It never was and never will be.
Explain the rules of Judo to an uninterested American in less than 2 minutes........Even a "casual viewer" can see that there are obvious techniques that could be used, but aren't allowed by the rules, which makes people turn away in a world of "functional" MMA, Boxing, Wrestling, etc.....Judo is far too "contrived" to catch on here in the US We want ACTION! Not a "chess match" of grip fighting, like "Modern Judo". So called "High level, Olympic Judo" is very boring for the casual viewer.....because it is.
And yet BJJ grows exponentially in size each year compared to other MAs...and that's 10 times more "chess-like"...
@@markcolt1114 It "grows" b/c it's new and being more and more watered down. Everyone knows it's all just "Steroids and leg locks" with copious amounts of butt-scooting and cringey guard-pulling. Not to mention tapping if the wind so much as blows. It's just a strip mall after school activity for kids. Nothing more. BJJ players and Judoka get destroyed in MMA. It's so bad they really don't even try anymore.
@@markcolt1114 ground fighting appeals more to adults beginners and to seasoned practicers who don't want to fall or to have a lot of injuries. I've been practicing judo since I was 5 years old and I had recieved "only" a broken nose caused by an unfortunate hand slap. Tachi waza is another beast: ACL tears, broken clavicules, fingers, hands, dislocations. Let's be real, judo is not for the faint of hearts
The rules of Judo and techniques are far easier to understand than BJJ. I do both, and if I had to boil it down, I can easily tell the average person that to win in Judo, you either need to perfectly throw your opponent on their back, choke or armlock them on the ground, or pin them on the ground with their back on the mat for 20 seconds. With BJJ though, you can tell someone they need to submit, but then you have to explain things like advantages, points for takedowns, points for guard passing, points for mount or back control, along with all the different positions people can transition to and different submissions they can hit. BJJ also doesn't have a unified rule set, so this may be the case for a local NAGA tournament, but its completely different for ADCC, or completely different for EBI. In terms of the "casual viewer", Judo is also much, much more exciting because it involves big throws and takedowns, just like wrestling. BJJ will never be widely popular as a spectator sport simply because its boring to watch guard play or people sitting to guard. And I say this as someone who does BJJ.
The issue isn't Judo itself, its the lack of exposure it gets which is in part due to the lack of a big name American star who can represent it in either the Olympics or MMA. MMA (specifically UFC 1) made BJJ famous. BJJ didn't get famous on its own. Judo needs that. Ronda Rousey was the closest and biggest star from America Judo ever had, and its when Judo was most popular in the UFC. You would need a male version of Ronda to basically get the word out there about Judo, which would lead to more clubs opening up and participation by Americans. Judo after all is basically just wrestling (greco roman wrestling) with a gi on, and we all know how big wrestling is in America.
Greco isnt popular in the states and no grappling is a spectator sport unless you are a participant
Soccer and cricket are the biggest World Cup events (and 2 out of the 3 biggest sports audiences) in the world and Americans barely know they exist. Disappointing to see such an American centric view from Pedro. 🤦🏼♂️
Eh soccer, football was huge even before the US got involved. Certain sport thrive in the US and others do not. You do not need the US to make a sport big. Judo is way more than a sport.
the olympics were the worst thing to happen to judo.
So I love Judo - but the reality is that Judo being in the olympics is not what prevents Judo being a big professional sport. Look at boxing. Boxing is in the olympics but it is also a professional sport. The 2 things run side by side. So we have the Olympics as the pinacle of amateur Judo, but we don't have any big professional organisations or promotions. Why is that? It basically because no one really wants to see it. Sad but true. If Judo was taken out of the Olympics it would pretty much lose all relevance. You might see a bit in MMA or being crossed trained for BJJ, other than that it would not really have a use case. I'm not sure what the solution is to get more people watching it.
Jimmy Pedro says too much bs.
I understand that some applications in Judo like Kani basami or kata guruma aren´t allow now, but it is sad not paying atention to the danger because Karate is walking the same path of Judo, an that isn´t a wise move
Kani basami is a killer techique for the legs, even in training. May it rests in the go kyo only, amen
Allez l’équipe de France 👍
Judo isn’t going to be able to compete in America if it’s not done professionally. BJJ is popular because a bunch of immigrants who had no other skills to compete with in our country NEEDED to make a living on it, so they marketed the heck out of it and did things to make it more professional: they opened more classes, they made their gyms beautiful and clean, and they catered themselves towards families.
Judo in the US is taught at either holes in the wall or twice a week at your local rec center, and as a community service project by the head sensei rather than as a legitimate source of income. If you don’t need to be professional, you won’t. So what you end up with is really weird, stale, old-school gyms that no one wants to attend in 2024. Not even me, and I started in judo.
In countries like France and Brazil, where judo is supposedly popular, it’s a socialist program - heavily subsidized by the government. Maybe the one exception is Japan, but it’s so heavily engrained in their culture that it’s not a fair comparison.
Our economy is market-based - products are popular when done well. BJJ is done well by immigrants who need it to succeed in order to put food on the table. We don’t have that dynamic amongst native-born Americans.
I am a former high-level(ish) competitor and would much rather make a living with my 9-5 than teaching judo, and don’t want to subsidize it with my tax dollars either. I can’t really imagine any of my fellow Americans would rather make a less lucrative living teaching judo than having a nice, stable job either.
Our economy is just too good. There aren’t really sports you can make a living teaching anyway - BJJ is an exception, not the rule.
BJJ organizations host “freestyle judo”. Goes to show you who supports what
BJJ is judo they're just in denial
@@larryzach7880 modern judo is a slave to their dogmatic beliefs . You know they’re talking about removing more throws . Specifically the big Georgian / Mongolian style throws .
Rhe leg grab ban was imolemented to let the japanese hip throw players be dominant again. The IJF is just a Japanese oragnizarion working for the japanese. If you think it isnt true, look at what the Sumo association does to foreign wrestlers.
Its laughable that jimmy Pedro thinks football needs America to be popular! Anyway, in the uk judo is far more popular than bjj. However, its 90% kids and 50% girls that that compete. Get past 18-20 and they drop off dramatically. The adult judo classes are virtually all men.
Is he really claiming football wouldn 't be famous without the American audience 🤔? I think the best statement were the last two sentences. The money Judo gets from being an olympia Sport Stays there. Most of the Judokas do it for physical education or self defence ( although self defence isn't really thaught). That were Kanos purposes of Judo. The officials run the olympic Circus for money and fame. This is destroying Judo. Most of the Judokas train their whole live for the competition they never do. Clubs don' t teaching leg grabbing because it's forbidden but not one member taking Part in competition is ridicolous. That's why Judo has become divided on the one Hand an olympic Sport for elite Level athletes and on the other Hand a Kids Sport. Nothing in between. This has nothing in common with Kano's ideas. This is why I prefer meanwhile japanese Ju Jutsu. There you can find more of Kanos Values than in nowadays olympic Judo.
This could be a reality in the USA. Even though people in the USA think they are the center of the world, as Pedro in the video SAYS, no, Judo is not like that in MANY countries around the world.
Judo
But no gi
NO ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE NEED MORE WATER DANCING!
I think of it this way, does IJF want judo in the Olympics with all their rules? Okay, but create an organization outside the Olympics where judo can be practiced without restrictions, An organization like the ADCC, but for judo, we would have our beloved leg grabs ❤ We would have more ne waza and more submissions.
What is this nonsense that the sport NEEDS Americans? I hear some of the points you make, but it honestly just sounds selfish
Judo has 68 nage-waza techniques, but people STILL cry because of 5 techniques that grab the legs...
It seems that Judo is only good if you have a grip on your legs.
If you want to see so many techniques with leg grab, go watch wrestling!
Other people are crying because there has to be more newaza.
WTF! You want to see newaza so much so go watch BJJ!
There is no greater honor than for a sport like Judo to participate in the Olympics!
Wanting to compare the soccer world cup with the Judo world cup is simply DELIRIOUS!
Oh the crying tries to be justified with the origin of Judo!
Oh, stop, STOP!!! If we were to bring up the origins of Judo, Judo would not be a sport! We wouldn’t have professional Judo athletes!
Jigoro Kano didn't want that!
Judo is an educational system divided into martial art practice, physical education and moral and intellectual development. IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A HIGH-PERFORMANCE SPORT!
Leg grabs is one aspect of a bigger image, also reaching for the legs is not just te waza they can incorporated into others too.
Speak more respectfully and have some courtesy please, not everyone thinks the way you do.
@@Chadi "Leg grabs is one aspect of a bigger image"... no, it's not...
Judo is MUCH better without the leg grips. But it's amazing that there are people who just talk about it all the time! The only thing that matters is leg prints! This is simply annoying!
Saying that some people who can't stop talking about it are crying isn't disrespectful, it's simply a fact.
@ricardokerscher why do you say judo is way better without leg grabs? It has become irrelevant with leg grab bans, and it is more a sport than martial arts.
Sure in some ways it is better like less stalling but in some ways it is not better. So you shouldn't say you speak facts.
@@justinsmokes-wl8kg Has it become irrelevant? According to whom? People from the USA? Oh, yeah... right....
@ricardokerscher well for one it is more a sport than a martial art. How dumb to take away leg grabs, which are clearly very valuable in no-go scenarios.
It has lowered in popularity in the USA. I do not know if it has risen or dropped in popularity around the world. If you care to share I would be interested, but at the same time my opinion is leg grabs should be reinstated for multiple important reasons.
MMA isn't in the Olympics and makes more money than "BJJ" and "Judo" combined. The "National Pride" argument is entirely emotional and is only limiting the sport. No country is "owed" anything simply for existing. If your "National Pride" is tied to a (likely corrupt) Olympic Judo match, that's just sort of sad. Go invent a longer lasting light bulb, or something that's actually worth being proud of in the first place. The Olympics are a bit of a joke here in the US. Nobody cares outside of a few select events we know we're going to dominate anyway. Besides, they're ALL ON STEROIDS, so it's just sort of banal and boring to watch at the end of the day.
just fyi the lightbulb that lasts forever was invented a looong time ago, they wont sell it
True, true, true, we saw it in T. Stevens match against a German in 2012, we all know that an American judoka in an international competition better get the ippon, because of it goes to decision the American will get ripped off.
just as there are those who don't care about MMA...
Breaking from the Olympics probably has to happen or Judo clubs have to stop catering to the Kodokan. Step 2 is be very open to Jiu Jitsu, but in 2024 most judokas are also doing jiu jitsu. Judo wins in mat space and is cheaper than JJ. Step 3 is have a league such as freestyle judo and compete in that. But honestly the real barrier and Jiu Jitsu proved this is have Judokas doing well in MMA. Khabib is the sole reason people even talk about Sambo and probably did more for Judo than Ronda did marketing wise.