@adam steven Well my friend as an American I would buy that for $100k because it's our HISTORY of how we became a nation. I'll take my free speech and guns over OLD houses any day.
Without context, it's just an old useless thing from an attic. Americans see history as something material to be valued just like anything else. It is faux-history. It has no meaning and is empty and flaccid.
@adam steven If you think about it, it is not only part of the U.S. history, but also the British history given that it is a British piece. Your house might be older, but is it significant historically? See, to a U.S. citizen this piece is just as important, as someone in France having some military item from the French Revolution, or something of that nature.
@@jalanj2053 you obviously don’t understand history and rarity of some items. Some things are so rare and in such a condition that it needs to be shown to future generations. Today everyone ignores history until they see it and touch it in some cases.
Try and find a steamer trunk with intact leather handles....the leather dries out and becomes very brittle...this is amazing...still pliable leather uncracked and intact..considering it was in a attic.
I looked into it, there’s only a few dozen (at most) uniforms still in existence today. As stated they did not survive due to the fragile nature of the material. The ones around today are almost all high ranking officer uniforms as well, as opposed to a lower level soldier who would’ve carried this pouch. The Buckingham Palace museum DOES have one of these uniforms though and it DID see see action and somehow made its way back to Britain during period.
@@MrZachgonz It also doesn't help that most of the people who actually wore the uniforms were buried in them, or kept the uniforms after the war as they continued their service. Finding a British uniform from the war is even rarer than an American one, because any British Navy that survived the war would have went somewhere else in the empire to serve out the rest of their contract.
@@tberkoff Found this tidbit which if true challenges your assertion: LIGHT INFANTRY CARTRIDGE BOX PLATE. Each British regiment had one company of "light infantry" that was deployed for scouting, skirmishing and guarding the regiment's flanks when on the move. In North America, these specially uniformed and equipped companies were detached from their parent regiments and formed into larger light infantry brigades that operated independently. This brass plate was attached to the flap of the cartridge box worn by the 43rd's light infantrymen and was discovered by Troiani himself at an American winter encampment site in Connecticut, along with some other British accoutrement brass. It is believed the intention was to melt this material down for use in the manufacture of shoe buckles and other needed items for the Continental Army. The more delicate style and oval shape hints that the cartridge boxes of the light companies may have been more compact than those worn by the regular line infantrymen. Almost identical light infantry company plates are known for the 63rd of Foot (shown for comparison) and the 15th and 83rd. www.243regiment.com/discovering_history.html
Appraiser: "We know a lot, but we dont know it all". I'm always blown away by how much these appraisers on Antiques Roadshow know. It's like they were raised from birth studying obscure history. Lol
They're sorted by what they're experts in. If you bring in an antique cartridge box, you're going to be directed towards the war historians. If you bring in a Ming vase, you're going to be directed towards the experts on Southeast Asian artifacts. They all have a very deep knowledge of their own subset of information.
Not to be mean but I hate that some of these precious pieces of history are owned by people that just don't seem to care about them. That piece is an incredible survivor and needs to be preserved and protected and the guy treats it like it's a piece of junk. So frustrating.
Wonder what happened at that house in the Boston area where the pouch was found. Sometimes soldiers forced ppl at gunpoint to use their house. Or the ppl are away for a day or two (no cars so travel took time) meanwhile soldiers 'occupy' there, just help themselves.
I hate to be the person to reply to a 2 year old comment, but it bothers me to still see this kind of misinformation floating around in the states. British soldiers of the period most certainly did commit crimes while on service in the colonies, but harsh punishments ranging from lashings to execution meant it was less common than pop culture suggests. By the time of the Revolution, soldiers were also not being quartered in private homes.
To the people saying this is post-1803 due to the "light infantry" title: this is designating the light infantry company of the 43rd rather than regiment as a whole. See several examples of dug pouch badges from Revolutionary War encampments for the 43rd and other regiments.
Wow! Might have been carried by the RedCoat that in the Battle of Breed Hill bayoneted one of my ancestors.. My ancestor was a private on a short enlistment term, after the Revolutionary war received a pension for his injury and as far as could be learned, a grant of land.
What would a hockey stick owned by Thomas Gage be worth? Yes. The British General from the Revolutionary War Thomas Gage. I know the person that owns it. It is Thomas Gage's hockey stick and was made in England in the 1700s. It has been authenticed through carbon dating to be from the 1700s.
For this kind of piece, they should really try to convince them of how precious it is and that it should be in a museum. Or at least that they should really take good care of it.
wonder what happened to it? he probably threw it in the closet and his kids found it and sold it in a garage sale and we will see it on Roadshow 5 years from now from some new person who bought it for $5 at a yard-sale in the cape.
The 43rd Regiment of Foot was not designated "Light Infantry" until 1803 and fought at the Battle of New Orleans in 1815. This probably was recovered from one of the War of 1812 battlefields and almost certainly is not Revolutionary War.
British regiments of foot typically had a grenadier company and a light infantry company. The remainder of the regiment were battalion soldiers. Grenadier and light infantry companies had distinctive headgear and other uniform items that made them stand out.
Youd be surprised. We used to have a napoleonic uniform from my great great god knows what grandfather in a box. Our house was built around 1600 to 1650. Only a "cottage" 2 up 2 down workmans place. Generations of soldiers went off to war came home and left stuff in the loft. Next to the old case with the tunic was a ww1 broadie helmet from 1916 and a ww2 wardens helmet and home guard helmet. We moved in in 1975. I used to dress up in the stuff. A ww2 helmet in 1975 was "as new" as a gulf war helmet from 1990 today. I didnt have a clue what it all was back then.
I bet you someone in British Parliament or maybe the Queen herself would probably purchase that and put it in her own museum back in London! I think regardless of whether the Brits won or lost that is definitely a Keepsake for history and for mankind! Yes they lost the war but they gained best friend in US the USA so I think any Brit or anybody dealing with British history would love to have this as a talking point to their Museum or art gallery!
This is obviously a wealthy man who probably has plenty in the bank and he's likely got other things to worry about than auctioning off this piece. He might even pass it on to his children.
Thank god he took it home, its a family heirloom and piece of history. Imagine pawning your gread grandads musket for 35k. Your family would appreciate it a lot more than any museum would.
The 43rd of Foot weren't designated as Light Infantry until 1803. This cartridge pouch might have been from the Battle of New Orleans or it might be from the time when the 43rd were on garrison duty in Canada in the 1830s.
Correct it was General Sir John Moore who created the Light Infantry in 1803 and the 43rd Monmouthshire Regiment became part of that Corps along with the 52nd Regiment and the 95th Rifles. There's a chance it could be from the Battle of New Orleans or maybe later campaigns in Canada, either way its still rare.
@@stephenreynolds6378 It's all a part of the regimental system of the UK and British Commonwealth. "Light Infantry" is a designation for skirmishers with different training, different drill, different marching styles, etc, etc. The idea for Light Infantry came about in the Seven Years War, but the first true, dedicated Light Infantry with their unique style and training didn't come about until 1803. Despite numerous amalgamations, the 43rd still lives on as 2nd Bn, The Rifles.
He would of wet himself when on the British version of antiques roadshow some lady rocked up with Cornwallis’ sword that he surrendered at Yorktown to Washington
Unfortunately this piece has a couple of more years of being over this guy shoulder.. only upon his death, will it resurface again from his heirs who will leave the funeral home and head toward the auction house
I don't mean to be rude but the guy is an idiot treating it like it's a kid's plaything by casually just "throwing" it over his shoulder. I don't think he appreciates the significance of what he has.
He’s got a one of a kind historic relic. He reacted like it was $100 scratch off ticket
@adam steven Well my friend as an American I would buy that for $100k because it's our HISTORY of how we became a nation. I'll take my free speech and guns over OLD houses any day.
Without context, it's just an old useless thing from an attic. Americans see history as something material to be valued just like anything else. It is faux-history. It has no meaning and is empty and flaccid.
@adam steven The cute thing is that you think having a house that's over 250 years old is something to brag about.
@adam steven If you think about it, it is not only part of the U.S. history, but also the British history given that it is a British piece. Your house might be older, but is it significant historically? See, to a U.S. citizen this piece is just as important, as someone in France having some military item from the French Revolution, or something of that nature.
@@Felorn6863369 Amen to that!
My lord a 250+ year old piece still complete that is just unheard of! Belongs in a museum!
No it doesn’t it belongs under private ownership as it is his property
@@jalanj2053 you obviously don’t understand history and rarity of some items. Some things are so rare and in such a condition that it needs to be shown to future generations. Today everyone ignores history until they see it and touch it in some cases.
@@BlueLineChop I’ve spent nearly 30 years dedicated to history full time, and you’re not fooling anyone.
@@jalanj2053 okay?
@@jalanj2053 weirdo
This guys reaction is like he just got a free 25 dollar gift card to wall mart
Some people just don't care about money.
@@DukeJames I get the sense that's because he already has a lot of it.
@@DukeJames Dude, his folks bought a house on the Cape years prior. I'm sure he is not unfamiliar with the concept of money. :)
😂😂
I always assumed he was disappointed when it wasn't American military.
The guy’s heart rate never got over 50 even though he has a unique and valuable piece of history
Or he's a _really_ good poker player😂
Love that accent. I could listen to him all day.
I’ve watched hundreds of these. I don’t think my jaw has ever dropped the way it did learning it was revolutionary war era.
That needs to be in a museum.
For sure, it's the only one!!! Crazy that it was just left in his attic 🤣
This guy is more blown away by the history than the value lmao. "I mean 20k is crazy but revolutionary war...."
Men are interested in the history & craftsmanship, women are interested in the value.
@@nagaslrac clearly, you do not watch Antiques Roadshow very much.
@@MissyUCF99 Generally.
Yes yes yes very nice... you ungrateful colonials
Love you really cousins across the pond...😁
@@MissyUCF99 Clearly you don't know humans....... MORON!
That belongs in a museum!
Said young Indiana Jones
i love him. its just a historical treasure and he finds it "neat" i love it!
Danny McBride is method acting and researching his next character as an antique appraiser. Respect.
Fantastic comment lol
I'm yoinking, "bebop," as an adjective. That's great.
I've heard the terms kype, snarf, hork. carp, but never yoink. That's a new one for me. LOL (thanks)
But he didn't use it as an adjective. He used it as a verb. "And he throws it over his shoulder and he bebops out of the room."
@@---cr8nw Good catch 👍
I love this appraiser. His Southern accent is charming. He knows his esrly American war artifacts
Rafael is the best in my book.
Try and find a steamer trunk with intact leather handles....the leather dries out and becomes very brittle...this is amazing...still pliable leather uncracked and intact..considering it was in a attic.
Belongs in a museum!
Whoever has the uniform of the 43rd light infantry and needs the ammo pouch. That's the person(s) you need to find.
I would think a revolutionary war uniform would be at least ten times as rare. Wool doesn't survive as well as leather.
I looked into it, there’s only a few dozen (at most) uniforms still in existence today. As stated they did not survive due to the fragile nature of the material. The ones around today are almost all high ranking officer uniforms as well, as opposed to a lower level soldier who would’ve carried this pouch. The Buckingham Palace museum DOES have one of these uniforms though and it DID see see action and somehow made its way back to Britain during period.
@@MrZachgonz It also doesn't help that most of the people who actually wore the uniforms were buried in them, or kept the uniforms after the war as they continued their service. Finding a British uniform from the war is even rarer than an American one, because any British Navy that survived the war would have went somewhere else in the empire to serve out the rest of their contract.
Boy, that owner was a dunce.
As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!"
I’ve collected a lot of rev war to civil war artifacts but very rarely have I found stuff like this.
rarely as in NEVER
I’ve never seen a man less likely to be a Rafael
The 43rd (Monmouthshire) Regiment of Foot was an infantry regiment of the British Army, raised in 1741.
This is not a 43rd Regiment of Foot box, it is a 43rd Light Infantry box which designation came in 1803. It's not from the Revolutionary War.
@@tberkoff Found this tidbit which if true challenges your assertion: LIGHT INFANTRY CARTRIDGE BOX PLATE. Each British regiment had one company of "light infantry" that was deployed for scouting, skirmishing and guarding the regiment's flanks when on the move. In North America, these specially uniformed and equipped companies were detached from their parent regiments and formed into larger light infantry brigades that operated independently. This brass plate was attached to the flap of the cartridge box worn by the 43rd's light infantrymen and was discovered by Troiani himself at an American winter encampment site in Connecticut, along with some other British accoutrement brass. It is believed the intention was to melt this material down for use in the manufacture of shoe buckles and other needed items for the Continental Army. The more delicate style and oval shape hints that the cartridge boxes of the light companies may have been more compact than those worn by the regular line infantrymen. Almost identical light infantry company plates are known for the 63rd of Foot (shown for comparison) and the 15th and 83rd. www.243regiment.com/discovering_history.html
I live on Cape Cod..I better start looking in attics!!!
Appraiser: "We know a lot, but we dont know it all".
I'm always blown away by how much these appraisers on Antiques Roadshow know. It's like they were raised from birth studying obscure history. Lol
They're sorted by what they're experts in. If you bring in an antique cartridge box, you're going to be directed towards the war historians. If you bring in a Ming vase, you're going to be directed towards the experts on Southeast Asian artifacts. They all have a very deep knowledge of their own subset of information.
Not to be mean but I hate that some of these precious pieces of history are owned by people that just don't seem to care about them. That piece is an incredible survivor and needs to be preserved and protected and the guy treats it like it's a piece of junk. So frustrating.
Wonder what happened at that house in the Boston area where the pouch was found. Sometimes soldiers forced ppl at gunpoint to use their house. Or the ppl are away for a day or two (no cars so travel took time) meanwhile soldiers 'occupy' there, just help themselves.
I hate to be the person to reply to a 2 year old comment, but it bothers me to still see this kind of misinformation floating around in the states. British soldiers of the period most certainly did commit crimes while on service in the colonies, but harsh punishments ranging from lashings to execution meant it was less common than pop culture suggests. By the time of the Revolution, soldiers were also not being quartered in private homes.
Absolutely impressive
He's definitely impressed...no sarcasm intended.
To the people saying this is post-1803 due to the "light infantry" title: this is designating the light infantry company of the 43rd rather than regiment as a whole. See several examples of dug pouch badges from Revolutionary War encampments for the 43rd and other regiments.
You either appreciate history or it dies with you. Unfortunately the latter is probably true of that piece. Sad really.
By "right people in the room" he means HIM!
WOW!
Very cool
Classic Eastern Masspeak
Found it in Cape Cod? Yup, he clearly doesn't need the money.
THAT IS PART OF THE USA HISTORY!!! A BRITHISH CARTRIDGE BAG MOST BE PRICELESS.
a man of few words. I bet he put it on a rocking chair in the spare room and forgot about it.
The guy sure did not seem all that impressed. lol
I hope that owner is thinking real hard about that artifact.
Belongs back in Britain 🇬🇧
Wow! Might have been carried by the RedCoat that in the Battle of Breed Hill bayoneted one of my ancestors.. My ancestor was a private on a short enlistment term, after the Revolutionary war received a pension for his injury and as far as could be learned, a grant of land.
Rick from Pawn Stars : "Best I can do is $500. I have to get it framed and I'm taking a big chance here!"
You love that show, dontcha
@@YongyoonKim It's watchable, but far from loving it.
My favorite part is when rick says, I still have to find somebody to sell it to , that's the problem
What would a hockey stick owned by Thomas Gage be worth? Yes. The British General from the Revolutionary War Thomas Gage. I know the person that owns it. It is Thomas Gage's hockey stick and was made in England in the 1700s. It has been authenticed through carbon dating to be from the 1700s.
The question that needed to be asked was what else was in that attic with the cartridge box
He is wearing a bag around his shoulders that is worth more than some Louis Vuitton and Hermes bags
For this kind of piece, they should really try to convince them of how precious it is and that it should be in a museum. Or at least that they should really take good care of it.
I can't stand seeing someone so flagrant with something so important to preserve. Absolute waste being in his possession.
This Rafael guy reminds me of a slick talkin' used car salesman...
The 1st foot and mouth (Scottish) regiment fought with distinction in the Khyber pass in the 1800s 🇬🇧
Lol. Against the great Bungdit Din I believe?
I did not know Seth Galifianakis was in the antique business.
Amazing
How come there are what appear to be cacti and palm trees behind the presenter? This show was in Boston, MA
old man *put this here thing back into the attic then*
wonder what happened to it? he probably threw it in the closet and his kids found it and sold it in a garage sale and we will see it on Roadshow 5 years from now from some new person who bought it for $5 at a yard-sale in the cape.
This box today is probably worth a quarter million
Some people just aren't interested in selling.
Museum.
Wow.
The 43rd Regiment of Foot was not designated "Light Infantry" until 1803 and fought at the Battle of New Orleans in 1815. This probably was recovered from one of the War of 1812 battlefields and almost certainly is not Revolutionary War.
British regiments of foot typically had a grenadier company and a light infantry company. The remainder of the regiment were battalion soldiers. Grenadier and light infantry companies had distinctive headgear and other uniform items that made them stand out.
why is the title cartridge BOX .. when he states its a pouch if its over the shoulder
Christ! It says "43 Light Infantry", right on the plate. You might think the guy would have done a cursory Google search????
I wonder why the family left it in the attic.. someone must’ve known what it was
Youd be surprised. We used to have a napoleonic uniform from my great great god knows what grandfather in a box. Our house was built around 1600 to 1650. Only a "cottage" 2 up 2 down workmans place. Generations of soldiers went off to war came home and left stuff in the loft. Next to the old case with the tunic was a ww1 broadie helmet from 1916 and a ww2 wardens helmet and home guard helmet. We moved in in 1975. I used to dress up in the stuff. A ww2 helmet in 1975 was "as new" as a gulf war helmet from 1990 today.
I didnt have a clue what it all was back then.
@@fishyc150 Please tell me you still have these items!
@@lelleithmurray235 I've still kept the helmets. The uniform vanished over the years unfortunately...
Wow!!!!!!
I bet you someone in British Parliament or maybe the Queen herself would probably purchase that and put it in her own museum back in London! I think regardless of whether the Brits won or lost that is definitely a Keepsake for history and for mankind! Yes they lost the war but they gained best friend in US the USA so I think any Brit or anybody dealing with British history would love to have this as a talking point to their Museum or art gallery!
Hope he didn't die without telling anyone what it was. If not in the trash, some great-grandkid uses it for his reefer.
This is obviously a wealthy man who probably has plenty in the bank and he's likely got other things to worry about than auctioning off this piece. He might even pass it on to his children.
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Most expensive tackle box ever
Lordy, lordy, lordy had no adea
Beautiful relic from a terrible time.
This man is slowly turning into Colonel Sanders....this video was three years ago...guaranteed he owns at least 6 KFCs by now.
And the owner couldn’t care less
Thank god he took it home, its a family heirloom and piece of history. Imagine pawning your gread grandads musket for 35k. Your family would appreciate it a lot more than any museum would.
Its not a family heir loom, at least it is not related to him. They found it in a house they bought.
All you Americans thinking this is old...
I guess he comes from money if he doesn’t care about a rare 20 thousand plus item
SCORE!!!
The 43rd of Foot weren't designated as Light Infantry until 1803. This cartridge pouch might have been from the Battle of New Orleans or it might be from the time when the 43rd were on garrison duty in Canada in the 1830s.
Dung Trumpet so the appraiser was wrong 😬
@@ehysong Considering that he mainly deals in American Civil War paraphernalia, it's understandable.
Correct it was General Sir John Moore who created the Light Infantry in 1803 and the 43rd Monmouthshire Regiment became part of that Corps along with the 52nd Regiment and the 95th Rifles. There's a chance it could be from the Battle of New Orleans or maybe later campaigns in Canada, either way its still rare.
Thats some good knowledge there gentleman.
@@stephenreynolds6378 It's all a part of the regimental system of the UK and British Commonwealth. "Light Infantry" is a designation for skirmishers with different training, different drill, different marching styles, etc, etc. The idea for Light Infantry came about in the Seven Years War, but the first true, dedicated Light Infantry with their unique style and training didn't come about until 1803. Despite numerous amalgamations, the 43rd still lives on as 2nd Bn, The Rifles.
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you guys are correct. Cant believe I didn't catch the light infantry part. Post Rev War for sure. Still pretty but at maybe 5k on a good day
He said 100k
Once he found it was British he lost complete interest!
He probably keeps his junk in it lol carry it around the beach
He would of wet himself when on the British version of antiques roadshow some lady rocked up with Cornwallis’ sword that he surrendered at Yorktown to Washington
Would have.
Unfortunately this piece has a couple of more years of being over this guy shoulder.. only upon his death, will it resurface again from his heirs who will leave the funeral home and head toward the auction house
I don't mean to be rude but the guy is an idiot treating it like it's a kid's plaything by casually just "throwing" it over his shoulder. I don't think he appreciates the significance of what he has.
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That is a collector that paid $100,000 for it -- The story is all BS to get on tv. With Antiques Roadshow it's rinse and repeat with these folks
Prove it.
Source?
@georgetownlaw95 // yes.; please provide us here with your proof/source of your accusations