‘Fundamentally unacceptable’: U.S. envoy accuses South Africa of arming Russia
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- “We are confident that weapons were loaded onto that vessel and I would bet my life on the accuracy of that assertion,” said U.S. ambassador Reuben Brigety.
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#SouthAfrica #Russia #Weapons
“Hey! Only we can tell you what dictator to support!”
Well, Putin is a dictator, I don't see another
He said he'd bet his life on the accusation 👀 then why he still alive??
Ofcourse NBC......you still say Ye is crazy?as a South African, the US need to leave Africa alone....they used this poor young black man..... Black Americans need to open their eyes
Ewe vele basebenzise yena, Naye u can see that ucenge iskhundla and uyasetyenziswa meanwhile ezbona ba uthetha I nonsense.
He apologised, now they need to kick him out of SA
He apologized by how he said it, but not the assertion that SA traded weapons with Russia.
We all know what this means, the US will now have to defend democracy and to support freedom in South Africa.
So when is the [US] Marines going to land in South Africa. They are looking for WMB!
More like sanctions which we already cannot afford
No oil there
@@themaestro3034 But the US need another war so SA is a target!
Shame on you war mongers....starting buy dealing with fentynal in your country before you mind south Africa, your people are dying life cows at the slaughter....
Imagine SA ambassador does the same in the US...
no one would care
The difference is the US admits when they're sending weapons, South Africa denied doing it, ask for proof, the US showed the proof, and now the South African Congress is blaming the president.
In a functional society it would present no problem under similar circumstances.
bru. he'll get assassinated mid-sentence.
@@kimster7951 what did he say something negative about the Kremlin?
I so wish for the US to leave our Africa alone!!!
WHEN ARE YOU GUYS COMING TO FETCH YOUR LIAR!!! Our currency has declined cause of his lies
You don`t know that - what you do know is the SA govt is irredeemably corrupt..
South Africa doesn’t want war with the US 😂 you just don’t. The minute you kick out our ambassador, America will do the same and you will see what happens next 😂
Your currency has been eviscerated by local liars and thieves. And it's on track to devalue a whole lot more, make no mistake.
An independent investigation found that there were no weapons loaded on the Russian vessel. Please report on that too
SA can only be supplied by Russia, no the other way round.
Eddy Murphy not happy.
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In other news, South Africa accuses America of arming Ukraine.
"fundamentally unacceptable"said the hypocrites.
Thy sent a brother to come tok to another African, anada puppet on strings...
Bet my life? You were sent
South Africa has always remained neutral, and non-aligned.
South Africa willingly disarmed its own nuclear weapons.
Yes South Africa takes a moral and political stance on external affairs, like the war in Ukraine, but does not get involved militarily.
If the USA doesn't like that moral stance it should stop doing immoral acts.
It does not serve South Africa's interests to get involved in wars.
I think the USA should respect South Africa's position, and it's right to disagree and not create pretensions ( or claims that it has militarised ) in order to get it to change its moral stance.
SA's stance has been steadfastly amoral, siding with despots.
Espousing democratic and progressive ideals, nothing could be further from the truth in her foreign relations.
This is perfectly rational when considering the SA govt's narcissistic view of SA society - that they continue to muster a majority reflects the ANC success in preventing a social advance from tribal systems.
@@Jouantiese
All you've described...
Like 'siding with' whomever they feel is more right.... Or promoting ideals they believe to be democratic...
Remains within the political sphere.
South Africa means to take a political position upon matters of concern.
Those political positions may be starkly against the United States, or Western Powers, or starkly in favour of those the West regards as despots.
But South Africa is non aligned militarily, meaning they will give their honest political opinion without interference, whilst not supporting anyone militarily to change their position.
They will tell the USA that you are wrong, but leave it to the USA to change themselves in real terms and not support any military action meant to force change to come about.
Hence they are militarily non aligned.
Claiming they supplied arms is a pretension created to force them to change their political stance on issues which the USA is not happy with.
If you want to change South Africa's political, moral or ethical position, then convince them of the truth of your position.
Don't engage in false claims which allows you to unfairly bully them or impose restrictions, or sanctions upon them.....
To force them to change their position.
@@aceheart5828 The current SA (mal) administration should be acutely aware of the ' truth ' of their own position. Like what was loaded onto that aircraft and ship. It doesn't take 6 months for a president to ascertain this.
The sole direction they're being ' bullied ' into is that of transparency and accountability. This affair has made them the true laughing stock of the entire world, reflected by the rotten rand.
The should expell him.
Then America will expel your ambassador and then your problems will begin !!
What a load of bull....
America back to its bullying tendency
Why do we even help South Africa anymore? As a U.S. taxpayer, let them ask China and Russia for help. We should end ALL student visas and let them go to Russia. Ungrateful.
@@mannyc4224 You are clueless. America has only EVER caused South Africa deep troubles on the world stage, and then walked away and turned a completely blind eye to everything going on there. Grow up.
We’ll go back to Africa
@@mannyc4224 Right? Bunch of complaining babies with their hands out always
@@user-zk8xw3xb5q Agreed. SA is in the top 7 countries for foreign aid from the US.
I’d gladly take a nice tax return than help these Bozos
We will hand deliver this joke back 2 usa what is this.?
How is that unacceptable the US the UK Germany only they all supply weapons to the Ukraine
Providing defense is not the same as providing tools of offense, invasion and genocide.
Well, maybe read who attacked who
It's not true. South Africa is having a huge problem with it's power outages... so don't you think that South Africa has enough on it's plate?🙄
Exactly and this wouldn't be the first time US is making unfounded accusations.
@@LeratoM98 what else have the usa done wrong?
@@GTAMW3. Instigating issues between different countries :Iraq/iran, Israel/Palestine, now Ukraine/Russia. Preaching peace but causing wars.
@bloom3361 its amazing how stupid u have to be, to think a war between 2 forign countries is the fault of the big bad white man lol
They're having power outages? So what you're saying is they could use energy resources to help with that? I wonder if anyone in Russia has hydrocarbons they need to sell? In case you're wondering, this is a joke.
Your head is going to roll if you di not provide that evidence. You should not have bet your live on it 😂😂
Yea so they use a black guy to say this fr bro u should be ashamed of urself
What? What does it matter if the a,bassador is black? A big percentage of Americans are black. He happens to be the one that deals with South Africa.
This is one of those diplomatic moments in time, that when history is finally written about this period, the authors will struggle to explain why no alternative path was offered openly and clearly in practical terms. After the glitz, wooing and miles of media froth that emanated from the apartheid transition; after the release of Nelson Mandela and the reconstruction of state towards a more democratic governance the warning lights were already flashing. As the first few public rallies the ANC lead transitional government staged were held against a backdrop of the red communist flag, with the unending use of the 'revolutionary' term 'comrade' echoing daily across all media. Tabo Mbeki attempted to hold a firmer disciplined grip on the levers of power, but was caste aside. The harlequin days of Trevor Manuel pronouncing gleefully on positive revenue flows and maintaining a 'balanced budget' all worked well to place SA in a positive light on the world stage. However, in the background the was a ticking time bomb. As the apartheid government during handover briefings, had stressed that the policies of 'mass upliftment' the ANC wished to undertake would require massive investment in increasing water and electricity capacity. The problem being that much of the people that they wished to supply these services had no means to pay for them. On the other side of the fence - the minority, that had been floundering under sanctions - had the world suddenly open up with eager arms and loads of ready cash to invest in this seemingly positive miracle at the tip of Africa. Then upon the passing of Nelson Mandela all the positivity seems to melt way - as out went Mbeki and in rolled Jacob Zuma. With Zuma's hand on the levers of power all that was reasonably stable soon fell apart as one political misstep followed another, with the ultimate consequences being that every SOE was run into the ground. The final nail in the coffin being the Gupta scandal which eventually saw Zuma dismissed. By this stage SA had totally lost any positive spin Mandela artfully created. Power stations that had been commissioned are brought with errors and the cost have massively overshot budgetary projections. Municipalities under ANC control have failed in almost every corner of the country to disastrous effect - in some cases sewerage processing failing, water stoppages and road laying in tatters. As SA is governed by the principal - Majority Rule - underpinned by a highly undereducated and deeply sympathetic 'revolutionary minded voting block - guarantees that the governance failures are simply swept under the carpet and a very weak opposition could only voice their 'opinion' which simply fell on deaf ears. As SA floundered, it could not look westwards for assistance, as its track record had been sullied. So instead it swung Eastwards to the competing powers of China and Russia. This I feel was a misstep of the west. If the west had stepped in and offered substantial assistance to correct the political missteps of the Zuma lead ANC, it could have turned the political tide in SA westwards. However the US has watched as SA crumbled - and did nothing - the made the miss-calculation that providing favourable trade concessions under Algoa would be enough to guarantee SA remain firmly in the western political camp. That has obviously not been the case. So to change this trajectory from disaster to something looking more positive, needs the west, particularly the US, to adopt a more friendly and supporting role. Assisting with the obvious - the electrical supply - would be a giant first step towards mending fences. The giant question is can the US and its allies allow the tip of Africa fall into rouge hands. South Africa remains one of the more successful 'democracies' in Africa, therefore it has influence throughout Africa. It would be a giant political misstep for the US to ignore that influence - and not do something positive to win SA over.
It's one thing to consistently steal billions in US aid, something else to actively support without compunction the despot lowlifes of today.
If the US has solid evidence, we'll find out in due course.
What's certain is yet again the irredeemably corrupt ruling cabal is self-investigating..I cannot thing of one such ' process ' that led to a real result..
tldr
ANY help offered by ANY country will just disappear into VERY DEEP pockets. I know, I lived 40 years in SA. Very happy to have escaped from there.
Fundamentally it is unacceptable for the US to say that it is fundamentally unacceptable for South Africa to arming Russia! It is not against any law, right!
Doesnt matter if its against the law, we are just gonna sanction them because they arm our enemy
This is the new low from USA lol
After only 20+ years, why South Africa now has become a failed state? 😮💨
West armed ukraine worth of 171 billions, not even a question by anyone..
Look how deeply they are hurt even now its unclear about the shipment..
That Rediculous double standard must and should end 😂😂😂
Russia bad for dropping missiles on civilians.
Israel is good for dropping missiles on civilians.
Western World. 😅😂
Israel takes out civilian- targetting terrorists who cowardly use their own people as human shields.
Nice try....rather focus on Assad who
carpet-bombed his own population with chemical weapons - and is then welcomed back into the Arab League.
Arab / undemocratic world 🤣😂
Fake news
There's sovereign country. They have a right to do what they want.
The in-house Embassador
"Fundamentally unacceptable" -- recourse?????
Sanctions are the recourse.
@@thomasdequincey5811 I agree that that's one possible recourse, but just wanted to hear the government representative state a COA. Otherwise, the "big reveal" becomes less effective....
C.I.A. Criminals In Action
Yes there needs to be recourse for funding and arming the genocide and destruction of our friends.
What an overt threat by Uncle Sam
And the US is arming Ukraine, imagine.
this black ambassador of the u.s whose forefathers must also be from africa should be booted out from africa itself. sourh africa is a sovereign country and the u.s. has no right what's so ever to dictate what it wants.
im south african, i say anc conduct over past 29 years is proof that whites should have held onto power longer. The whites should have gone to war and eliminated any threat of blacks gaining power. The country has become corrupt cesspool with over 70 murders per day. the blacks gained power using moral deception and moral propaganda, that majority black rule was righteous. now we have mass unemployment, entrenched, widescale and blatant corruption, murd er, ra pe, failing electricity infrastructure, assassinations, the list is endless.
That’s fine but if they want to support violent dictators bent on invading Europe, then we don’t want their business, and don’t want to sell them out goods. We want peace, not Putin’s paradise of 20th century hitler brutality and colonialism.
Confident like with WMD in Iraq?
Ooops. Sorry, that torpedo went astray; pity about that cargo ship.
SHAME
Huyu kijana mwafrikamwamerika alitumiwa na Marekani kuanzisha ugomvi katika ya Marekani na jamhuri ya Afrika kusini. Hata kama S. Afrika inafanya biashara na Urusi kuna ubaya gani na sheria gani ndiyo inakiukwa? Tuache ufala wa kuamini kila kitu ambacho Amerika inadhamiria ni tunu kwa mwanadamu.
He has now apolgized for over stepping they need to recall him he is out of order and disrespectful
According to whom, DIRCO, lol?? Let`s deal with the substance of the allegation - still no denial from the ANC, no evidence yet provided that we know of.
This issue is far from over - if there`s one iota of truth to it, EU countries won`t be happy either.
You know man that these media companies will not televise that.
@@Jouantiese where was the ambassadors evidence? How come u were so quick to conclude that his accusations are true? Didnt we hear about WMD before
@@zevlove612 I've concluded nothing, other than the reality of Cyril's inability to give a straight answer.
@zev love And WMD was George Bush , 20 years ago.
On average the US is many times less corrupt than SA.
Now using the Nation of Islam image for propaganda. :(
i know cheese, and purple is big!
The police of the world just doing its job.
I guess you prefer we all lie down and die quietly while you invade and destroy us? We the collective west welcomed Russia to our economies. After the 90’s your lives improved. We became interdependent. That is not a sign of an enemy but of a friend. But your Putin dictator wanted war. He chose to hire mercenaries to prop up dictators in Georgia and Belarus and Bosnia and Chechnya and Syria, displacing millions of refugees and destabilizing the collective west. So now the west has said no more, stop invading Ukraine or we untangle our economies. It’s not police it’s voters in the west choosing not to entangle themselves with a genocidal Putin.
While in Russia one man decides everything and is solely to blame for your problems, in the west we collectively vote. If we ever get an aggressive president like Putin, we vote him out and welcome someone new. Our will decides it. We choose not to trade with Russia until they change their regime to a peaceful president.
how down bad is Russia to be getting armed by South Africa
With Apartheid came strong force and with a strong force came a string army and with a strong army came sophisticated weapons.. Dont look at South africa as Africa..
How down bad was US to be getting supported by France UK Australia etc...during the invasion of Iraq 😂
@@darthvadeth6290 fair enough lol, but the US was not getting wrecked to this degree
@@darthvadeth6290 conquered whole country in one months is different than conquer half city of bakhmut in six months
@@user-fi2fk2ei7o True 👍
American and Russian tactics are very different.
America uses scorched earth genocide tactics.
Russia uses conventional warfare tactics 🤣
Such a money making venture should be celebrated by every capitalist in the world. lol
Dandy black dude 😂
How is the rand doing now? 😆 🤣 😂 😹
No evidence! Just speculations!
That’s very disrespectful
If not weapons then he should lose his life….