Where would we be without Learning from our MIstakes and Experiments ? How much insight have we gained from this project alone, and how much has it steered our imaginations ? Fantastic is our ability to dream and take risks.
The host was honest about the living conditions, she was restrained in that she had alot of living challenges, she was a realist of experimental challenges, she is not the right mindset when the conditions are not ideal because she was obviously discouraged instead of encouraged to solve the engineering challenge. She provides the engineers with the goals to correct
Thank you for this humble and informational tour. We all learn more from what we did wrong than accidentally did right! From Northern Minnesota where we hit -45 f in winter and 100f in summer.
Her experience-based opinions of which level to cover in glass, and the real-world reality of different temperatures, are valuable resources for designers of such homes.
stink...this is so cool! I am learning to disdain my western architectural education. These people you interview Kirsten are, in some ways, so much better at architecture and the Wrightian idea of form following function than many, many designers and architects I have worked with and around. Love your channel.
This is an INCREDIBLE IDEA! I hope after 3 years they can move it to a community center to keep the greenhouses going to feed as many people as they can!
What stars? Do you have any idea of the level of light pollution in this city? Not to mention the clouds that gather here the whole year. And the fog? No joke.
I am working on that. (very small) It works quite well, its the first year running. The aquaponics system can work as a central heater and cooler depending on the temperature of the water, although It can't be to hot becouse that would damage the roots.
justgivemethetruth It would be in ground, and depending on what type of fish you use it would not be an issue I suppose. Using beneficial bacteria to turn fish waste into fertilizer is about as natural as it gets in my opinion. Plants in aquaponics don’t use as much space because the roots don’t need to search for nutrients so it would be more effective in a small space which is the goal here.
It already works in my own studio even though I did it very very simple. If you would do it on a big scale like a greenhouse that big, and use the right thermodynamic knowledge when installing it, there are awesome ways to controle temperature while growing food. There is so much to discover in aquaponics!
justgivemethetruth Ofcourse it is a complex matter, I have been keeping marine fish and delicate coral for over a decade. I know a few things about maintaining pristine water quality - my reef is perfectly balanced and the last 3 years I did not have to change any water- The thing is having a nice pond to relax next to and using it to benefit the crops you grow would fit in great in this experimental house.
Very cool. I like that she knew what they were getting into and is willing to live with the imperfections. There's a lot that can be gleaned from an experimental house. All homes that exist today are built on the knowledge of the past, if the designers/builders are exposed to it. I'm not a builder, but immediately noticed a number of items that were overlooked. Some of which she mentioned. I hope to build or renovate a house and will certainly use a number of aspects of this place in my design. Thanks so much for sharing!
Thank you for all your honesty, When you talk about this house, It’s the only way for us to make design decisions ~ if we are given the good ~ Bad ~ a Never Again. Instead of everything is perfect video...
Wow, what a unique experience & experiment. Her insights were quite interesting and helpful to me as I'm considering building a greenhouse attached to a house as well. Thanks for sharing this Kirsten!
fascinating and so true when you think that we have that provenance of knowledge towards building design and materials such as cob strawbale brick stone and wood but not with new materials or design and when you combine them. This was a great video thanks for posting. :)
I designed a good compromise between this house and a standard building nice to know I am on the right track and this video answered some if the questions I had, Very doable. The heat on the top floor is actually easy to deal with.
Basically too much glass. Even for a greenhouse. I am using about half the glass and still building three stories. Using earth tubes to regulate the temperature at the top.
Yes thank you Helly for doing what you did. You were able to give answers to questions that they didn't have real life experience for. Many of what said made sense and she knows because she has lived it. Thanks Kirsten.
I love this concept. Perhaps citrus on the higher elevation? Aling with the figs? I think a bit of experimentation with the right plant in the correct place might be an idea. Automatic watering would also be on my list. Thank you for this xxx
I learned so much from this video. It's great how these experimental housing exist so we understand nature and greenhouse effects. I want a greenhouse and what she was sharing I'll keep in mind. I really appreciate this video, very informative
really neat! i really enjoy the lady explaining all the pro's and con's. and other unexpected things.. great concepts to keep in mind. thanks for sharing! :)
Current tech to add: Air to air heat exchanger, block the gap at the bottom of the structure (rubber), automatic roller shades or vertical strips acting as blinds to control heat gain, Photovoltaic panels inside the glass from the second level up (to produce electricity and block much of the light - can be offset to allow light to pass through) and many more ideas.
Passive solar design or just as an addition to an already existing sun porch is a great idea n worth the investment in so many ways. I did this with the house I bought just by extending it out 7' from the 6' it already was.....enclosed in with slider double glass doors and large skylights above (the ceiling is vaulted)....voila. You have daily heating (provided the sun's out.....) and a great place to spend the winter. Add plants you desire and it really takes the 'sting' out of winter, not to mention how it helps your psyche!!
I was thinking about some of the tiny houses while watching the movie, "Ready Player One". I'm sure the art director was just trying to represent really cheesy urban housing when showing "the stacks", but it reminded me of some of the videos I've seen where they planned to stack modular homes in racks several stories high. Not sure if that was one of Kirsten's videos.
I think it might have helped if they took the air from the top of the top floor and pumped it under building in a network of pipes that heated up the earth under it thus heating the earth under the building and storing the heat energy for the night when it is wanted. That would stabilize the temperatures in the home and make it more comfortable.
Bingo! That and allowing way more of the glass to open up in the summer. It should never get that hot but it's a common mistake. I built an 8x12 greenhouse of similar shape and I have huge flaps that open up at the bottom and top to allow convection to work it's magic. Like 1/4 of the roof opens up. In the hottest part of summer I take off the side walls completely. They just needed more windows that open in the right places. She did mention not disturbing the ground though. Maybe they wouldn't have been allowed to run tubes under.
A giant white roller shade on the outside would be great, reflect the sun on hot day, could be installed on the top of the glass, and roll down the roof.
Ned more of that in Britain, people with their rigid minds, defensive thinking, small minded not open minded, it is stifling progress. How have we gone from the wright brothers to supersonic flight with 70 odd years and yet we still have archaic monarchies, political and economic systems, think about it, it is the deliberate stifling of human ingenuity and genius.
Gah,fabulous!! Like the host expressed, a few modifications (engineers utilizing technology for automated humidity, circulation, et al) and this house is wonderful. Thanks kirsten!!
That's what I was thinking while watching, that all the problems should be solvable. But they did place a major restriction on themselves that all materials had to be reusable; she said they could not even use tile in the bath because it would leave behind some rubble. I suspect they had restrictions on energy use, too. But a waterproof membrane here, a glass wall there, a vent, a fan, and so forth should have made it possible to vent excess heat and grow the crops they intended to grow. They really should have consulted experts more on the greenhouse, and problems like "Second floor 30 degrees too warm" should have been great classroom exercises. I'd really like to know what was going on in the academic institution -- was this built on a shoestring budget? Electrical problems in the kitchen not solved. Did the professor lose his funding? Did he alienate other faculty? What got in the way of thorough re-engineering after each season to address problems with new solutions?
condew yes, classroom/budget factors would be good to know. I didn't catch the bathroom tile comment. If the house provided enough privacy, one could just shower in the garden on a wood base, surrounded by plants. The top floor garden should have been more than enough space to provide food for the family, especially with intensive methods and air circulation, double walled glazing, etc. The second floor could have easily used a growing vertical space for food; convenient, accessible, et al. Ahhh the list goes on. I did like the loam idea though tamped earth walls seem to hold up better. I'd love to see a video of the construction in progress.
Pretty cool! As Helly suggests, some of the design and building concepts are more practical than others. This is how we learn through experimentation. It would be nice to see the other houses in the experimental village.
~9:30 you can have a greenhouse up top but you also need sufficient thermal mass in the floor to stop the heat getting through to the rest of the house and sufficient potential airflow control in the greenhouse to be able to keep the temp in the greenhouse where you want it. just like an earthship ground heat/cooling pipes can bring the air in through those cooler soils and bring it around the house with the aid of the heat (hot air rises) of the greenhouse and ducted vents throughout
Fantastic, honest and ìnformative video. The thing I wonder, what difference would trees around it make? Because where I live i am surrounded by trees, All taller than the house. During the summer we can be 10c degree cooler and in the winter 10c degree warmer.
The upper floor wouldn't be so hot if you could open the part of the roof, and let the heat to go out. i watched a video , people build green house over their house but they had the roof with a part of it what opens and closed . good video. Thanks for posting.
They could retrofit an earth battery, pump all the hot air 5m into the soil (and they wouldn't have to wear coats "outside" to cook during the winter).
In my cold climate 400 m. altitude 60 d north, I think a greenhouse on the 2nd floor over a shed would be perfect. It snows here in the first of May, no plants grow here anymore it seems. Your curse could very well be my blessing.
As for air circulation on over heated second story patio deck with no air movement. There needs to be steel grate or if wood is desired, needs to be 2"x2"s with gaps in between. Or simply router the existing deck with some kind of really awesome creative art design that will create an awsome pattern on the lower floor walls as the sun rays penatrate thru the design like yays of sunshine thru clouds. Your welcome.
Concern: . Get a fire sprinkler system for the wooden house. That greenhouse would fill up with smoke like crazy if the place caught fire. Beautiful job and amazing idea though. I've been curious about these techniques for a while.
That piece was awesome, Kirsten! Experiments like the one here and their outcome together with "cultural" knowledge she mentioned in terms of heating for example would be a very important part in developing "better" ways of urban living not only in Europe (with "better" as more successful not only for landlords and building contractors ...). To know how radiant heating helps keeping the losses of energy-input down by 40 to 60 % is one thing permanently ignored for example, simple ways to collect and store sunlight energy as warmth for the night would be another (which wasn't even tried here, regrettably). I simply loved the practical approach she had: "this works, that does not, and these parts were an absolute mess ... " We have to find a way for implementing basic knowledge like that into building codes while getting rid of those parts of the codes which in fact do hinder progress like that.
For bottom, I think air could be diverted up so as to let ground plants alone. If different floors were separated then they could heat up individually, could be a conduit for different times of year
Please paint all upper levers white. Best would be an aluminum tinted paint, used primarily for manufactured houses. You need to increase the albedo to help reflect the solar input of the sun. You would see a remarkable decrease in the heat gain, just by painting the floor and planter boxes white. It's why the polar caps stay so cold in the summer months. The increase of the outgoing solar radiation. As for the sand parge on the wall surfaces. Try a Swedish water borne flooring finish. It durable, eco-friendly and water resistant. Great job and brava for the undertaking on your part.
I am astonished that the architect that headed that project did not figure out that there was WAY too much glass. Even in the Netherlands. I lived in an apartment with a loggia that had been retrofitted and got large glass windows facing south (not the ceiling which is the worst source of heat). In winter when it was not bitterly cold I could turn off the heat at noon. And the other very obvious thing, is that airflow is important. That is no new challenge and someone did not do their homework on other projects (from the 1990s, 2000, mind you). That challenge is not new either. I could have told them they were getting into trouble with that much glass. It is a pity because all the resources could have gone into designs that would be really experimental - as opposed to need technology fixes, are expensive. That was an own goal (of the leaders of the project, not the students no the testers). It is urban environment and it is like they lived on display, I would not like to be in the glass house all the time.
So the air flow issue could easily be fixed with that design. You would have to add in a vertical tube that had hatches that opened at different heights to allow airflow to different areas. Or add a resistance barier to disrupt the bad airflow and help redirect it.
i've often asked the question of how efficient the water heating is in pipes is while mounted outside, baring in mind any airflow (wind) might be cooling them down, in various builds i see them mounted behind glass in a box, so baring in mind how hot it gets on the upper floor, would have made sense to the move the pipe work inside under the south facing glass, thus providing extra heat to the pipes and the much needed shade to the upper floor, even something as simple as adding an army camouflage net is enough to create enough light and shade to cool down the upper floor space, but i have to say i often admire the simple technology of a green house and how i might live in something similar, just with the additional privacy, perhaps upright planking to obscure vantage points, something used a lot inside modern homes to break a space up, but still allowing light through, as an experiment, i love this, just needs a few tweaks, if it were mine, i'd no doubt be forever tweaking to improve how the space works
they're evacuated tubes (like a glass thermos), so they're not likely losing very much. you might actually get less heat by putting them inside, due to the extra layer of glass that will get slightly dirty. also, she mentioned in the video that adding shade material inside the glass does not really help, since it's just heating up the shade cloth, which imparts its heat into the air. the structure was designed for that energy to do into the walls. so shading inside the glass reduces the thermal battery effect of the walls and heats up the air even more.
Plant some shade trees around the outside for the privacy & also as a windbreak, & to control the sunlight in that room. Plant fruit trees around the yard. & use that rubber in the hottest part of the day to control the excessive heat.
They're lacking thermal mass hence the cold in the winter months, solar heat has nothing to be stored in so it just fades. Other than that pretty cool implementation really. Thumbs up, keep 'em coming.
Build it like a passive solar greenhouse. Basically build shade or insulation on the roof. And I'm surprised they didn't install something like a SunSetter awning. Then during the hot months of Summer you could just shade the house. Put a little air gap so the air can move in between the glass and the awning.
But, but, Holland is not a country! Holland is only 2 of the Provinces in the Netherlands. North and South Holland. ;) But thank you! We like the compliment about being progressive! We try very hard to make it work! For such a tiny country, we The Netherlands really make it work!
Hugo Sabato I agreed with you until i got to the bit where you started insulting transgenders for no reason. I agree that tradition is valuable and that consumerism is a disease, but treating people with common decency no matter what age, gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation is also important, or at the very least just the polite thing to do.
So, Hugo, to stick with Your (pretty weird, in my opinion...) way to prefer sexually connoted restrictive conservatism over "progress", conservative female mutilation would be OK where it was practised for generations and ages, because stopping that successful tradition would be "progress" like "progressively" sharing heroin with -transgenders- toddlers ... what a heap of rubbish! And as far as I know, Amish do not so well in terms of genetic degeneration and all the problems, deformations and deseases coming with it, they do not well in terms of adapting their rural lifestyle to changing weather conditions in their area, they do not so well in keeping their Young ardent after they went on "Rumspringa" and saw some more of the world, so bringing exactly the Amish into comparison of all things would be as dumb as accusing transgender people of sharing heroin with anybody, not to mention "toddlers". You seemingly did not think through Your statement very thoroughly, I'm afraid - something "conservative" thinkers seem to lean towards, not thinking to much, that is, because they do take "... as it ever was" for an argument.
Do we know if there is an updated version of this home now? also, im wondering why if they ever considered double laeyering all the windows to create the same insulation effect as the main rooms.
Great experiment, I really enjoyed learning what worked and what didn't. I'd be interested to know the rough cost to build the structure in it's entirety?
It was radiant heat of infrared light/energy to warm up the walls floors callings and objects versus conventional heat which is hot air rising and warming up mostly the top of the room, that's why it's mentioned the hot air rose and leaked out
Helly commented that she has been told of people using blankets inside of greenhouses / conservatories in winter to keep the warmth in. Do you know or have any video's, or can give me any additional information, as I live in the UK, and our conservatory is an unusable space in the colder months. Helly also said that she has been advised that a sun shade on the outside us what is needed; certainly I agree with this statement, as we have an example of this at the RNIB building in Bristol, that uses that technique, and it works really well.
lead your chimny smoke through a large organic compost, solves your problem with ash going through the plastic plus cleans the smoke, we did it in Denmark with success
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Rain is what I love about Amsterdam....rainy days, good weed, pickled fish and good friends is what makes Amsterdam a cozy country.
The top greenhouse gets so hot because heat rises and all the heat is collected up there. House needs a system to vent heat when hot. It's pretty simple - open windows in the bottom and open windows at the very top and heat will dissipate. Only question would be how big do windows need to be to vent heat from that volume of space. Source: built and live in a passive solar tire-house with just this sort of system.
I question the ability to raise enough food for the family. It appears that they were not utilizing all if the available space to grow foods. Even up on the upper floor using more tropical plants. Citrus trees, banana, pineapple, etc. The lower floors looked bare! Or was it because of the 3 yr limit, they just didn't bother?
Could store a big rail or beam supporting water barrels up near the 2nd floor level. The heat from the sun rising to the top will heat the barrels of water, which can then have forced air that blow around the water barrels and gets direct vented into the living space during the night. Would take hours to remove the heat from those water barrels, and by that time, it would be morning and the sun would be coming up again to reheat the barrels.
When I went to keukenhof with outdoor temperature of 23c, the bus was like 40c! And there was no air con. The bus was packed. They are too good at keeping the air in
Love the honesty here rather than defending aspects that don’t work. I learned a lot thank you!
Where would we be without Learning from our MIstakes and Experiments ?
How much insight have we gained from this project alone, and how much has it steered our imaginations ?
Fantastic is our ability to dream and take risks.
We can and have learned from the last 30+ years
Wise people learn from others mistakes and the smart people learn from their mistakes
That's really cool that people live in experimental housing to find out what works and what needs improvement.
The host was honest about the living conditions, she was restrained in that she had alot of living challenges, she was a realist of experimental challenges, she is not the right mindset when the conditions are not ideal because she was obviously discouraged instead of encouraged to solve the engineering challenge. She provides the engineers with the goals to correct
Love how she shares the bad and the good. Great case study.
Thank you for this humble and informational tour. We all learn more from what we did wrong than accidentally did right! From Northern Minnesota where we hit -45 f in winter and 100f in summer.
This is the most oner and plain explanation of a video thank you for being so openly and ones I was about to make the same mistake with the roof
Her experience-based opinions of which level to cover in glass, and the real-world reality of different temperatures, are valuable resources for designers of such homes.
I'm pretty sure Helly is a cool mom and teacher! Thank you.
stink...this is so cool! I am learning to disdain my western architectural education. These people you interview Kirsten are, in some ways, so much better at architecture and the Wrightian idea of form following function than many, many designers and architects I have worked with and around. Love your channel.
This is an INCREDIBLE IDEA! I hope after 3 years they can move it to a community center to keep the greenhouses going to feed as many people as they can!
Wonderful experiment. The upper level is nice. Like an open space to watch the stars.
What stars? Do you have any idea of the level of light pollution in this city? Not to mention the clouds that gather here the whole year. And the fog? No joke.
Yes, really love this...keep pushing the envelope and what is possible.
Appreciate she explains all the struggles that come with the design
I realy appreciate she shared the whole experience.
Great Women.
watching this again is helpful now that I'm planning to build a tiny house with a green house.
THIS lady was VERY helpful to me. GREAT JOB!
The greenhouse on the main floor would be great for an indoor pond/aquaponics system, I love these type of experiments!
I am working on that. (very small) It works quite well, its the first year running. The aquaponics system can work as a central heater and cooler depending on the temperature of the water, although It can't be to hot becouse that would damage the roots.
justgivemethetruth It would be in ground, and depending on what type of fish you use it would not be an issue I suppose. Using beneficial bacteria to turn fish waste into fertilizer is about as natural as it gets in my opinion. Plants in aquaponics don’t use as much space because the roots don’t need to search for nutrients so it would be more effective in a small space which is the goal here.
It already works in my own studio even though I did it very very simple. If you would do it on a big scale like a greenhouse that big, and use the right thermodynamic knowledge when installing it, there are awesome ways to controle temperature while growing food. There is so much to discover in aquaponics!
Daniel Douglas It is indeed fun to experiment with, and that is what this house is all about
justgivemethetruth Ofcourse it is a complex matter, I have been keeping marine fish and delicate coral for over a decade. I know a few things about maintaining pristine water quality - my reef is perfectly balanced and the last 3 years I did not have to change any water- The thing is having a nice pond to relax next to and using it to benefit the crops you grow would fit in great in this experimental house.
Very cool. I like that she knew what they were getting into and is willing to live with the imperfections. There's a lot that can be gleaned from an experimental house. All homes that exist today are built on the knowledge of the past, if the designers/builders are exposed to it. I'm not a builder, but immediately noticed a number of items that were overlooked. Some of which she mentioned. I hope to build or renovate a house and will certainly use a number of aspects of this place in my design. Thanks so much for sharing!
Fantastic sharing what is working and what can be improved
Thank you for all your honesty,
When you talk about this house, It’s the only way for us to make design decisions ~ if we are given the good ~ Bad ~ a Never Again. Instead of everything is perfect video...
Wow, what a unique experience & experiment. Her insights were quite interesting and helpful to me as I'm considering building a greenhouse attached to a house as well. Thanks for sharing this Kirsten!
I'd love to meet this women. She's so smart, articulate and filled with positive energy.
fascinating and so true when you think that we have that provenance of knowledge towards building design and materials such as cob strawbale brick stone and wood but not with new materials or design and when you combine them. This was a great video thanks for posting. :)
That is one of the most useful videos I've ever seen. Much useful information..
"Built by students" - makes the odd design more understandable, it's mostly a learning project.
More like using cheap labor in Exchange of grades.
I designed a good compromise between this house and a standard building nice to know I am on the right track and this video answered some if the questions I had, Very doable. The heat on the top floor is actually easy to deal with.
Basically too much glass. Even for a greenhouse. I am using about half the glass and still building three stories. Using earth tubes to regulate the temperature at the top.
Yes thank you Helly for doing what you did. You were able to give answers to questions that they didn't have real life experience for. Many of what said made sense and she knows because she has lived it. Thanks Kirsten.
Wonderful! And she seems so resourceful! Great speaker, pleasureable tour.
I love this concept. Perhaps citrus on the higher elevation? Aling with the figs? I think a bit of experimentation with the right plant in the correct place might be an idea. Automatic watering would also be on my list. Thank you for this xxx
I learned so much from this video. It's great how these experimental housing exist so we understand nature and greenhouse effects. I want a greenhouse and what she was sharing I'll keep in mind. I really appreciate this video, very informative
really neat! i really enjoy the lady explaining all the pro's and con's. and other unexpected things.. great concepts to keep in mind.
thanks for sharing! :)
Current tech to add: Air to air heat exchanger, block the gap at the bottom of the structure (rubber), automatic roller shades or vertical strips acting as blinds to control heat gain, Photovoltaic panels inside the glass from the second level up (to produce electricity and block much of the light - can be offset to allow light to pass through) and many more ideas.
PV cells inside would heat the upper floors even more than they already are.
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Passive solar design or just as an addition to an already existing sun porch is a great idea n worth the investment in so many ways. I did this with the house I bought just by extending it out 7' from the 6' it already was.....enclosed in with slider double glass doors and large skylights above (the ceiling is vaulted)....voila. You have daily heating (provided the sun's out.....) and a great place to spend the winter. Add plants you desire and it really takes the 'sting' out of winter, not to mention how it helps your psyche!!
YAY the tiny houses, excellent experiment, hope it carries on to more permanent dwellings
I was thinking about some of the tiny houses while watching the movie, "Ready Player One". I'm sure the art director was just trying to represent really cheesy urban housing when showing "the stacks", but it reminded me of some of the videos I've seen where they planned to stack modular homes in racks several stories high. Not sure if that was one of Kirsten's videos.
I think it might have helped if they took the air from the top of the top floor and pumped it under building in a network of pipes that heated up the earth under it thus heating the earth under the building and storing the heat energy for the night when it is wanted. That would stabilize the temperatures in the home and make it more comfortable.
but this is holland. logic is far to be found 7 out of 10
Bingo! That and allowing way more of the glass to open up in the summer. It should never get that hot but it's a common mistake. I built an 8x12 greenhouse of similar shape and I have huge flaps that open up at the bottom and top to allow convection to work it's magic. Like 1/4 of the roof opens up. In the hottest part of summer I take off the side walls completely. They just needed more windows that open in the right places.
She did mention not disturbing the ground though. Maybe they wouldn't have been allowed to run tubes under.
A giant white roller shade on the outside would be great, reflect the sun on hot day, could be installed on the top of the glass, and roll down the roof.
Could roll much like a dump truck covers its bed.
Love this place ,
Seen this vid a dozen times .
Gets better each time !!!!!!!!!
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She has the magic of a flexible mind
Ned more of that in Britain, people with their rigid minds, defensive thinking, small minded not open minded, it is stifling progress. How have we gone from the wright brothers to supersonic flight with 70 odd years and yet we still have archaic monarchies, political and economic systems, think about it, it is the deliberate stifling of human ingenuity and genius.
Gah,fabulous!! Like the host expressed, a few modifications (engineers utilizing technology for automated humidity, circulation, et al) and this house is wonderful. Thanks kirsten!!
That's what I was thinking while watching, that all the problems should be solvable. But they did place a major restriction on themselves that all materials had to be reusable; she said they could not even use tile in the bath because it would leave behind some rubble. I suspect they had restrictions on energy use, too. But a waterproof membrane here, a glass wall there, a vent, a fan, and so forth should have made it possible to vent excess heat and grow the crops they intended to grow. They really should have consulted experts more on the greenhouse, and problems like "Second floor 30 degrees too warm" should have been great classroom exercises. I'd really like to know what was going on in the academic institution -- was this built on a shoestring budget? Electrical problems in the kitchen not solved. Did the professor lose his funding? Did he alienate other faculty? What got in the way of thorough re-engineering after each season to address problems with new solutions?
condew yes, classroom/budget factors would be good to know. I didn't catch the bathroom tile comment. If the house provided enough privacy, one could just shower in the garden on a wood base, surrounded by plants.
The top floor garden should have been more than enough space to provide food for the family, especially with intensive methods and air circulation, double walled glazing, etc. The second floor could have easily used a growing vertical space for food; convenient, accessible, et al. Ahhh the list goes on.
I did like the loam idea though tamped earth walls seem to hold up better. I'd love to see a video of the construction in progress.
Pretty cool! As Helly suggests, some of the design and building concepts are more practical than others. This is how we learn through experimentation. It would be nice to see the other houses in the experimental village.
I've fantasized about converting homes to this type of structure. Small bungalows would be perfect.
Great. Interesting and mostly because you are also telling about the downsides. Cool!
The form of the structure is really quite attractive
Мне очень понравилось. Считаю такое решение гениальным ходом. Уважаю людей, стремящихся к гармонии с природой.
~9:30 you can have a greenhouse up top but you also need sufficient thermal mass in the floor to stop the heat getting through to the rest of the house and sufficient potential airflow control in the greenhouse to be able to keep the temp in the greenhouse where you want it. just like an earthship ground heat/cooling pipes can bring the air in through those cooler soils and bring it around the house with the aid of the heat (hot air rises) of the greenhouse and ducted vents throughout
Muchas Gracias x compartir. Great practical eco sustentable real experienses data for our coming generations.......awesome film by Kirsten.......
Vents are needed upstairs and it would be ideally cooler. Venting the walls if insulated also.
I'm from the region around Rotterdam and had NEVER heard about this house! Very interesting to see!!
Ainiewainy same!
Sadly I don't think you can see more than the outside of the house, seeing as it a residence!
Fantastic, honest and ìnformative video. The thing I wonder, what difference would trees around it make? Because where I live i am surrounded by trees, All taller than the house. During the summer we can be 10c degree cooler and in the winter 10c degree warmer.
The upper floor wouldn't be so hot if you could open the part of the roof, and let the heat to go out. i watched a video , people build green house over their house but they had the roof with a part of it what opens and closed . good video. Thanks for posting.
this is a good example of why we experiment, and I sure am glad I didn't make those mistakes.
to fix their water collection leaking problems have the barrels up on the north edges of the grow beds so when it leaks, it leaks onto the plants.
That house is awesome. Almost like the house in the Stockholm area in Sweden. Greetings from Andreas on Off Grid Sweden
The Swedish home is way better.
i like how the dog has his preferred spots all over the house
They could retrofit an earth battery, pump all the hot air 5m into the soil (and they wouldn't have to wear coats "outside" to cook during the winter).
In my cold climate 400 m. altitude 60 d north, I think a greenhouse on the 2nd floor over a shed would be perfect. It snows here in the first of May, no plants grow here anymore it seems. Your curse could very well be my blessing.
If you had glass screens separating the levels you could force the air to move through the building.
Very educational. Thank you very much.
As for air circulation on over heated second story patio deck with no air movement. There needs to be steel grate or if wood is desired, needs to be 2"x2"s with gaps in between.
Or simply router the existing deck with some kind of really awesome creative art design that will create an awsome pattern on the lower floor walls as the sun rays penatrate thru the design like yays of sunshine thru clouds. Your welcome.
Concern:
. Get a fire sprinkler system for the wooden house. That greenhouse would fill up with smoke like crazy if the place caught fire.
Beautiful job and amazing idea though. I've been curious about these techniques for a while.
That piece was awesome, Kirsten!
Experiments like the one here and their outcome together with "cultural" knowledge she mentioned in terms of heating for example would be a very important part in developing "better" ways of urban living not only in Europe (with "better" as more successful not only for landlords and building contractors ...).
To know how radiant heating helps keeping the losses of energy-input down by 40 to 60 % is one thing permanently ignored for example, simple ways to collect and store sunlight energy as warmth for the night would be another (which wasn't even tried here, regrettably).
I simply loved the practical approach she had: "this works, that does not, and these parts were an absolute mess ... "
We have to find a way for implementing basic knowledge like that into building codes while getting rid of those parts of the codes which in fact do hinder progress like that.
I just love this channel
For bottom, I think air could be diverted up so as to let ground plants alone. If different floors were separated then they could heat up individually, could be a conduit for different times of year
It's been a while since I've watched your videos. Wow production quality has gone up so much
The Dutch house doesn't seem very private, but other than that it seems a magnificent way to live.
Please paint all upper levers white. Best would be an aluminum tinted paint, used primarily for manufactured houses. You need to increase the albedo to help reflect the solar input of the sun. You would see a remarkable decrease in the heat gain, just by painting the floor and planter boxes white. It's why the polar caps stay so cold in the summer months. The increase of the outgoing solar radiation.
As for the sand parge on the wall surfaces. Try a Swedish water borne flooring finish. It durable, eco-friendly and water resistant.
Great job and brava for the undertaking on your part.
I am astonished that the architect that headed that project did not figure out that there was WAY too much glass. Even in the Netherlands. I lived in an apartment with a loggia that had been retrofitted and got large glass windows facing south (not the ceiling which is the worst source of heat).
In winter when it was not bitterly cold I could turn off the heat at noon. And the other very obvious thing, is that airflow is important. That is no new challenge and someone did not do their homework on other projects (from the 1990s, 2000, mind you). That challenge is not new either.
I could have told them they were getting into trouble with that much glass. It is a pity because all the resources could have gone into designs that would be really experimental - as opposed to need technology fixes, are expensive.
That was an own goal (of the leaders of the project, not the students no the testers).
It is urban environment and it is like they lived on display, I would not like to be in the glass house all the time.
Right it's the difference between play and work! BUT you do your best most creative work when you are playing or playful
So the air flow issue could easily be fixed with that design. You would have to add in a vertical tube that had hatches that opened at different heights to allow airflow to different areas. Or add a resistance barier to disrupt the bad airflow and help redirect it.
i've often asked the question of how efficient the water heating is in pipes is while mounted outside, baring in mind any airflow (wind) might be cooling them down, in various builds i see them mounted behind glass in a box, so baring in mind how hot it gets on the upper floor, would have made sense to the move the pipe work inside under the south facing glass, thus providing extra heat to the pipes and the much needed shade to the upper floor, even something as simple as adding an army camouflage net is enough to create enough light and shade to cool down the upper floor space, but i have to say i often admire the simple technology of a green house and how i might live in something similar, just with the additional privacy, perhaps upright planking to obscure vantage points, something used a lot inside modern homes to break a space up, but still allowing light through, as an experiment, i love this, just needs a few tweaks, if it were mine, i'd no doubt be forever tweaking to improve how the space works
they're evacuated tubes (like a glass thermos), so they're not likely losing very much. you might actually get less heat by putting them inside, due to the extra layer of glass that will get slightly dirty. also, she mentioned in the video that adding shade material inside the glass does not really help, since it's just heating up the shade cloth, which imparts its heat into the air. the structure was designed for that energy to do into the walls. so shading inside the glass reduces the thermal battery effect of the walls and heats up the air even more.
You can get heat from them: From -40 deg C (-40 deg F) and higher temperatures.
Plant some shade trees around the outside for the privacy & also as a windbreak, & to control the sunlight in that room. Plant fruit trees around the yard. & use that rubber in the hottest part of the day to control the excessive heat.
I would love to be part of an experiment like this. A wonderful program for sure! Thanks for all your work.
How much did they spend to learn that glass box get hot in the sun and hot air Rises
Yes but she said they mostly never see the sun.
@@jeffk464 indeed, it is in holland so it is a news-item if there is sunny weather (no joke)
They're lacking thermal mass hence the cold in the winter months, solar heat has nothing to be stored in so it just fades. Other than that pretty cool implementation really. Thumbs up, keep 'em coming.
Build it like a passive solar greenhouse. Basically build shade or insulation on the roof. And I'm surprised they didn't install something like a SunSetter awning. Then during the hot months of Summer you could just shade the house.
Put a little air gap so the air can move in between the glass and the awning.
I really like that Gelandewagen of yours!
In the outdoor cooking terrace use a water distiller. That will warm up the area for very little cost and provide distilled water!
Good that she's honest about everything. The opposite of architects, who are eternally self promoting. Salesmen posing as designers
I love Holland..... A progressive country in every respect.
But, but, Holland is not a country! Holland is only 2 of the Provinces in the Netherlands. North and South Holland. ;) But thank you! We like the compliment about being progressive! We try very hard to make it work! For such a tiny country, we The Netherlands really make it work!
Hugo Sabato I agreed with you until i got to the bit where you started insulting transgenders for no reason. I agree that tradition is valuable and that consumerism is a disease, but treating people with common decency no matter what age, gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation is also important, or at the very least just the polite thing to do.
So, Hugo, to stick with Your (pretty weird, in my opinion...) way to prefer sexually connoted restrictive conservatism over "progress", conservative female mutilation would be OK where it was practised for generations and ages, because stopping that successful tradition would be "progress" like "progressively" sharing heroin with -transgenders- toddlers ... what a heap of rubbish!
And as far as I know, Amish do not so well in terms of genetic degeneration and all the problems, deformations and deseases coming with it, they do not well in terms of adapting their rural lifestyle to changing weather conditions in their area, they do not so well in keeping their Young ardent after they went on "Rumspringa" and saw some more of the world, so bringing exactly the Amish into comparison of all things would be as dumb as accusing transgender people of sharing heroin with anybody, not to mention "toddlers".
You seemingly did not think through Your statement very thoroughly, I'm afraid - something "conservative" thinkers seem to lean towards, not thinking to much, that is, because they do take "... as it ever was" for an argument.
I live in holland and my advice to you is that you should calm your tities.
A country full of liberal idiots
Do we know if there is an updated version of this home now? also, im wondering why if they ever considered double laeyering all the windows to create the same insulation effect as the main rooms.
Love this space....thanks Kristen!
Great experiment, I really enjoyed learning what worked and what didn't. I'd be interested to know the rough cost to build the structure in it's entirety?
Wondering same. Has to hundreds of thousands
oh my goodness. This is an absolute dream.
Genius! And all the ideas for improvement!
It was radiant heat of infrared light/energy to warm up the walls floors callings and objects versus conventional heat which is hot air rising and warming up mostly the top of the room, that's why it's mentioned the hot air rose and leaked out
I love this home! I wish someone in usa would do this and I move my family in...permanently lol
Helly commented that she has been told of people using blankets inside of greenhouses / conservatories in winter to keep the warmth in. Do you know or have any video's, or can give me any additional information, as I live in the UK, and our conservatory is an unusable space in the colder months. Helly also said that she has been advised that a sun shade on the outside us what is needed; certainly I agree with this statement, as we have an example of this at the RNIB building in Bristol, that uses that technique, and it works really well.
lead your chimny smoke through a large organic compost, solves your problem with ash going through the plastic plus cleans the smoke, we did it in Denmark with success
Rain is what I love about Amsterdam....rainy days, good weed, pickled fish and good friends is what makes Amsterdam a cozy country.
The top greenhouse gets so hot because heat rises and all the heat is collected up there. House needs a system to vent heat when hot. It's pretty simple - open windows in the bottom and open windows at the very top and heat will dissipate. Only question would be how big do windows need to be to vent heat from that volume of space. Source: built and live in a passive solar tire-house with just this sort of system.
I question the ability to raise enough food for the family. It appears that they were not utilizing all if the available space to grow foods. Even up on the upper floor using more tropical plants. Citrus trees, banana, pineapple, etc. The lower floors looked bare! Or was it because of the 3 yr limit, they just didn't bother?
It is kind of sad to have this opportunity and not utilize its potential.
❤ this build.
Never go up to the 2nd floor with glass. Got it!
Design and Build events are always pretty damned fun! :D
Could store a big rail or beam supporting water barrels up near the 2nd floor level. The heat from the sun rising to the top will heat the barrels of water, which can then have forced air that blow around the water barrels and gets direct vented into the living space during the night. Would take hours to remove the heat from those water barrels, and by that time, it would be morning and the sun would be coming up again to reheat the barrels.
Imagine a whole city under greenhouse dome.
When I went to keukenhof with outdoor temperature of 23c, the bus was like 40c! And there was no air con. The bus was packed. They are too good at keeping the air in
Now I want to visit this house.
Like this but do you have any vents to allow fresh air to circulate and cool things down when it gets too hot?