Andrew Clark on the Creation of Redux

In this interview, Andrew Clark takes us back to the early days of React and the creation of Redux. Hear his perspective on how Redux came to be, the impact it has had, and what he thinks about its future (hmmmmm!). This interview came about while we were shooting for our upcoming full-length React documentary, which is releasing on the 10th of February so GET HYPED! 🔥🔥
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[@sle6423]

Love me some history of software engineering videos ❤

[@akshattamrakar9071]

Solid and Qwik documentary would be really awesome in this perticular period of time.

[@briandicroce6555]

That Cannondale in the background...😋

[@nomoredarts8918]

Did you know that Flux was inspired by The Elm Architecture from Elm programming language?

[@fakrdinrazzi5281]

Nice, Nice, Nice! About the reducers though, I know many clojurists that might not like his comments.

[@jerbear97]

me who just started learning Redux: _ah shit_

[@Honeypotio]

😂

[@alishapayne4121]

Interesting!

[@FunctionGermany]

a lot of request state management can be taken care of by react-query (now tanstack query)

[@LutherDePapier]

Which can first though, useReducer or reduce? I just want to know the full story of the origins of that name.

[@alexandredaubricourt5741]

Redux --- or over engineered state management

[@emenikedaniel]

🤣🤣🤣 I had to learn the traditional redux first, then move on to learning redux toolkit. Had severe headaches😂. He sounded not too optimistic about redux. Is there a replacement for it already

[@PyFyCode]

Zustand

[@emenikedaniel]

@@PyFyCode For complex logic at enterprise level?🤔

[@PyFyCode]

@@emenikedaniel I'm not sure about whether it scales. I can only guess it does. However, another alternative that I know of is mobx; which I know scales (Postman web app uses it).

[@mattibar-zeev6240]

Hmmm... No word on Elm? 🤔

[@techinsider3611]

When the documentary will be released?

[@Honeypotio]

On the 10th of Feb! We'll have a live premiere at 7pm CET. 🔥

[@heljhumenad]

@@Honeypotio Cool its will be the release of the react documentaries also the Feb 10

[@gjorgjic]

@@heljhumenad that's the documentary they're talking about

[@serhiimamedov]

Better solutions? Like context?

[@pullrequest1481]

🤜🏻🤛🏻

[@maykefernandesdossantos7374]

i would love to know what he meant by: "better solutions"

[@m00nreal]

I'd think less convoluted (or more "cleaner"?) ways of doing stuff, like data fetching which he pointed out.

[@gkoymnbxykfb]

Recoil and Zustand are both very nice, simple libraries for dealing with global state. I'm not sure how well they work in a larger project though. MobX might be worth checking out as well.

[@cubiq1]

@@gkoymnbxykfb Are these better alternatives to Redux? MobX has been around for just as long...

[@FunctionGermany]

sounds like react-query to me tbh

[@Thorax232]

Frameworks first. (See his latest controversial tweet.) This solves the routing and data fetching problem, plus caches data globally without any effort from the developer. React has also been experimenting with caching all fetch requests and have created a "cache" function for any asynchronous calls like what would come from an SDK. Both are behind experimental flags. Both mean first class async support for React with global cache. (No need to wrap it in a useEffect.)
For everything else, if Context isn't good enough for your app (it probably is), then there are better options. But in terms of what he's talking about, and what the entire React core team has been talking about since NextConf, is primarily frameworks.

[@Fresteeyles]

What’s wrong with storing fetched data in redux?

[@benevbright]

Yeah, I got it. I heard "Don't use it anymore". 😉

[@MrJfergs]

So this is the guy responsible for making front end so confusing. Well I guess he works at Meta so it makes sense.

[@pullrequest1481]

😂😂😂😂

[@jyotishmoydeka6802]

Zustand is best

[@chakir.lilallah]

i always hated Redux while i'm using in 2 projects. it feels just not the good way to do state management, boilerplates and concept that you need to explain to your team but you have no explanation why it should be like this. over engineering state management.

[@vindecode5837]

first

[@jiahuama5933]

Redux is absolutely garbage

[@SpawnEmdee]

second :)

[@Honeypotio]

😉

[@Ihavetoreturnsomevideotapes]

Redux is dead

[@abdulramonlasisi3385]

Really?, suggest better alternatives

[@tririfandani1876]

Nah, we still use it in production in many projects, thanks to RTK

[@micoberss5579]

No

[@sushantrajbanshi4508]

@@tririfandani1876 RTK is 💜

[@dealloc]

@@internet4543 You obviously have no idea who maintains Redux.