Kerbal Space Program 2 is dead. Now what?
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0:00 No more active KSP2 development
0:38 Where does this leave us?
2:39 This channel will have to change
3:52 A huge disappointment
5:36 "The label continues to make updates..."
6:33 Release the unfinished stuff!
8:38 What are YOU going to do?
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I still can't believe we haven't gotten an official statement yet. This is a horrible way to treat your customers.
intercept can't. they're under a perpetual NDA and cannot say anything about the situation, and even they probably don't know what is going to happen
Out of everything, this is the part I can believe the most. Treating customers like trash is a Take-Two staple.
@@Wedgenet Capitalists
Private equity firms dont care about their customers, all they care about is profit
Exactly mate!
4:40 KSP2 didn't get review bombed. It got reviewed.
Correct
Yeah I hate the overuse of this term. It's a review bomb if a bunch of people who never played or bought the game review it just to gripe about something. If they purchased the game they have every right to review the game however they want.
@@anonony9081 Not just that, but even in the most charitable of interpretations, a review bomb could be current owners trying to force a reaction. Take the recent TF2 situation, where people who love the game campaigned for a bunch of negative reviews to be made to try and force Valve to take action about bots.
Arguably, that's a review bomb, because it's people not giving their honest opinion about the state of the game. Other than, y'know, the bots fundamentally being a part of the state of the game... but not one Valve are responsible for.
KSP2? No, the reviews there are all just about the state of the game.
It's broken, it performs poorly, the developer has gone missing, and the publisher has gone quiet. There's no one left for a review bomb to "convince", there was no mass campaign to try and force a reaction. It was just people reviewing the game and giving their opinions about it. Which is exactly what a review is.
@@Moleculor The term lost all meaning when Steam allowed publishers to claim any period of increased negative reviews as a review bomb, even if the reasons for the reviews are about the state of the game (eg after a bad update)
@@xraze6906 But not really applicable in this case, as none of the KSP2 reviews are labeled as "off-topic" or review bombs.
So either Take-Two can't label them that way, or has chosen not to.
This is where companies like steam need to step up. If the game is cancelled, then it should be taken out of early access, and take two should be forced to state what's happening with it
All steam can do is delist it on the basis that it is no longer in development.
At the very least put a huge disclaimer saying how unlikely updates will be
@@aliensasquatch7485 they cant do that because there is nothing official to go on. they'd be liable.
@@aliensasquatch7485-- They already have a big banner warning you about the pitfalls of early access and the possibility of nothing. They have rules about deadlines are specific promises in roadmaps. Any more and people just won't put their games on Steam until they're finished, which is a huge annoyance for indie studios and a great way to encourage competing stores.
@@TlalocTemporal Yep. A lot of people don't understand that EAPs are basically the same thing as a kickstarter. You have basically zero guaranty of getting what you paid for. It's as simple as that. This is why pretty much every single reviewer out there tells you to _never_ preorder games; especially if you have expectations towards them.
I think I'll call this effect "Mandatory Sequel Syndrome". A special kind of development hell where a game that does well gets a TON of funding for a sequel, and then someone in a position of authority gets paranoid that it's not good enough to justify the funding. They're throwing out work and starting over, they're making constant late-stage changes, and ultimately nothing ever makes it out the door. Duke Nukem Forever or Half Life 3 for example. Fingers crossed that it's not happening to Outer Worlds 2
Hopefully it’s not what’s going on with Hollow Knight Silksong
first thought was silksong.. pray for us
More like "Use recognition of first game to make sequel for everyone to sell as many copies as possible". Remember they hired art major as PM. They didn't want KSP2 to be game for nerds like first one. They wanted it to be flashy, because that attracts most customers.
@@enderger5308 While I have no proof, it's more likely Silksong has a "stupidly large" scope. Their trailer is way more policed than KSP2
I mean, if they had delivered on even a single one of their development promises, like interstellar travel or multiplayer, I think a sequel would be justified, but they didn't even get on par with the first game before giving to the public.
“It’s MY ip to sit on and do nothing with”
-CEO of IGG from Smiling Friends
Smile friend 😎
"Dog in a Manger"
ooh ooh ooh
That's the policy of EA Games with regard to American McGee's Alice, too... which is why we don't have "Alice: Asylum" as a game.
@@rosuav It's the policy of EA with things they developed back in the 1990s. They never let anything go.
why bother buying all these studios just to close them? just leave shit alone
They need to hold their reputation -up- down somehow.
I don't think this would have saved this game at all. Or others.
they dont want to have to compete with anyone in terms of quality, so they buy the studios who make quality games and sideline them. tale as old as capitalism
t2 isn't a damn charity, private division wasn't profitable, if it was they wouldn't have closed it. It's the game directors fault
@@klemitia That's not the point. PD was known for very slow development and taking their time like they did with KSP1. The point is that T2 bought PD, then closed it while knowing beforehand that they wouldn't turn a profit until much later.
I have a thought for the EU KSP fans out there: I know EU courts tend to be a little more consumer leaning in comparison to the US in lawsuits against game companies, is there a possibility of filing an EU class-action lawsuit against Take-Two to essentially either force refunds, release the files or SOMETHING. Take-Two needs to be held accountable for selling us all this game, promising features and then shutting down the studio before we ever got those features. I know of other cases where studios promised features, never delivered and those companies got hit with fines in the EU after being sued.
Oh yeah. Aus also has fairly heavy rules about "False advertising"
It's classified as "early access" for a reason.
You bought an early access game without any guarantee it'd be finished
@@demanischaffer Except there was a guarantee? All of their promo and marketing contained features that didn't exist as the main selling point. And if you happened to see that it was an EA title the developers had a posted roadmap on their store page PROMOSING the delivery of said features with a rough timeline for feature delivery.
Saying those features weren't guaranteed or promised is heavily disingenuous to how the game was marketed, developed, and published by both its developers as well as its publisher.
@@Koubles Nothing was promised, you knew you were buying early access title
You bought the game with this warning
"This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further"
and
"The core pillar of KSP2 is building and flying cool rockets. While we have additional features planned like colonies, interstellar travel, and multiplayer, we first want to hear back from players about the core fundamental experience."
The fact KSP2 is still being sold says it all.
Sleazy corporats.
I weather it stay on sale for preservation reasons
Half life source is a terrible remake of half-life and now years later some people go to it to expirince it’s brokeness and try to get through it
Just because something is terrible doesn’t mean it should be lost forever
Is is against steam policy to have a game that u know will never leave early access can only hope ksp 2 still being worked on at some scale
So sad. Can't actually believe this is it.
Truly sad day for us long time Kerbal fans. So much potential wasted.
@@ShadowZoneI'd argue there wasn't much potential based on your development history video.
@@cpthornman the potential was huge. The execution was terrible.
@@ShadowZoneI was already skeptical when the project was announced, given the aggressiveness of the promised feature set and timeline. The coverage you've given of what's become public of the details of the project's development history has me convinced that it was already doomed at the time of announcement.
Was it ever viable at some time pre-announcement? I don't think the bean counters were ever prepared to invest enough money to do more than refresh the original code, and I don't think Star Theory / Private Division were ever prepared to limit themselves to a feature set that was realistic on the budget available, nor do I think that a rehash of KSP 1 would have gotten more than lukewarm reception from the community. The devs basically gambled that they could tell T2 that they could implement Nate's vision within the schedule and budget constraints in place, and then keep saying "it's almost done, just a bit of an overrun" until the project was late and overbudget enough to accommodate their desired feature set. In theory, someone early on could have convinced T2 that investing the money properly from the start to implement Nate's vision was the best way to make a profit off the IP, which I believe was the case, but the potential for that to happen was all the potential the project ever had. The community has been clamouring for a feature set matching Nate's vision from before T2 ever acquired the IP, but just a vision for a feature set that's in demand in three community isn't "potential", you have to have the resources to implement it, and that was never there.
That said, from before the project was even started, T2 had *one job*, from the community perspective. Implementing the game the community wants will require designing for a certain things from the start that weren't considered in the design of the original KSP, and whatever the strategy pursued in terms of what features are implemented first, the resources required to match KSP1 in the end game while implementing all the new features will be significant. The one good thing that could *possibly* have come from a AAA studio acquiring the IP was having the resources of a AAA studio behind the project the community wanted. So T2's one job was to take that community demand and invest the money to make it happen. They were never willing to do that.
@@ShadowZoneThere is still a little chance something will happen. Lets hope for the best
Now what? Now T2 is just gonna hold on to the IP for eternity and not do anything with it. It's because of their recent practices that I won't be buying GTA 6.
Sad, but probably true
Which, sadly and realisticly, means nothing to T2, since an ocean of people will buy it (for their reasons and on their rights, people that aren't obligated to be as disgruntled as we are) anyway.
But at least in principle, and educating others when possible, not supporting TakeTwo is a morally positive choice nevertheless.
I wont be buying GTA6 because itll be 1 year worse than current year.
@@guillermoelnino they owe you gta6 so might as well put on that eyepatch. this is the perfect reason why the hat is justified.
@@havoc7646 actually AAA games arent even worth doing THAT anymore.
We got a company that abandoned one of the most potential-filled games of all time before GTA 6
I feel GTA 6 will be that even buggy shit.
GTA 6 has more potential for revenue than literally any other game that exists. KSP2 is nothing compared to GTA.
@@Tetragramix I didn't mean potential for revenue, rather potential for sheer creativity while having ginormous impact through a pretty interesting way of achieving edu-tainment.
didn't think I'd have to make that clear.
@@Tetragramix thats the problm, these sort of games like GTA get too many players leaviong studios in difficulkty situation when devoloping games not for the casual pop gamer.
@@techny3000 potential to be one of the best games ever made. Indeed, titles like GTA simply blocks better games to be made just nbecause the gamepay is not pop cultura shit.
Now the self-declared very smart upper management guys who strangled KSP will pocket a big bonus and happily skip to their next disaster.
"Despite the finest efforts of our brightest executives, the game mysteriously failed. If we weren't here and getting massive bonuses who knows how badly it would have failed!"
Yeah, usually it's the case but here cutting their losses was the only thing to do, let's get real, KSP2 devs would never finish KSP2 even if they let them develop it for a decade or more...
@@Bourinos02 The self declared very smart guys, took it from the people who developed the original KSP and handed it to a team who were faaaar more competent. And here we are.
@@Cohen.the.Worrier Not to mention tying their hands behind their backs and only letting them code the game in Cobol using their feet. Makes it real difficult.
take two is the kraken. took our poor kerbals away.
I feel the developers over promised and it was doomed ether way...
@@meegstomtom it's a both fault situation but not 50/50, TTI/PD is far more accountable for that crash than intercept Games devs.
@@DC2022 I feel the devs at intercept games are plenty to blame. A release date of 2020 was a joke and years of development hemorrhage money. Ether way it would have ran out of funds and the early access show that it was still far from ready after 3 years past the projected release date. I'd say closer to 50/50. But it's easy to blame to management.
....with our money...
Are you sure T2 is the bad guy in the movie? He hired Nate for $10M in two years and ended up getting $60M out of them in seven years without delivering anything at all...
For those who know/remember Harvester - he mentioned in an Interview video he might create something like a KSP2 in the future. Of cause not in the given KSP IP but something based on it. That´s where my hopes lie.
KitHack
Unless he's got capital backing him and can put a team together, there's no way he's going to have the ability to do this by himself.
Bullshit
@@sciencecompliance235 KSP1 was basically done that way
@@danzstuff Yes that´s his actual game he is working on and said it might be a stepping stone to something new KSP related.
Nate Simpson claiming to be the former head of KSP2 is like claiming he was the Captain of the Titanic.
Well, at least he got his thumbnail photo right. 😂
"We are fully funded." - Nate Simpson
1 month later: TakeTwo is laying off and closing their only Seattle based studio.
**que the Curb Your Enthusiasm meme*
@@shazmodeus2795 To be fair ive been down this route before with companies. 9 times out of 10 your boss doesnt tell you when your going to get fired, and normally its on a Friday. (Not that ive been fired but ive been involved with the processes). More than likely T2 had a stopwatch and was waiting to see what KSP2 would do and it didnt make enough return and finally pulled the plug. they would have never told Nate this as that can cause discourse and upset. More than likely he had no idea what they planned to do. Really shitty world when managers and employees cant actually communicate effectively but in my experience that seems to be the downfall of most things.
@@Jmstraubgamer I understand your argument, but Nate was the head of the studio and I find it impossible to believe TakeTwo didn't convey ANY warnings or discourse months in advance to Nate that they were not happy with the progress before the day they announced the studio closure.
@@shazmodeus2795 trust me I've been around executives and managers that will do exactly that. Not convey anything and then just drop a bombshell on people. Knowing T2s I don't trust them to not do that exact thing.
in a normal world this will be called "theft"
No. You bought early access to an unfinished game. You got exactly what you paid for.
@@teebob21 No i bought unfinished game with hard claimed promisses which cant be done now...
@@cihlacezet231 That's the risk you take.
@@teebob21 Your perspective is naive. When someone lures money with fraudulent promises, it's simply theft, even if they hide behind "early access." Your opinions only enable scammers to continue and harm more people. If people like you weren't so blind, fraudsters wouldn't have the space to pretend they are legitimate, and the world would be a much better place. Stop defending bad practices and look at it realistically.
@@cihlacezet231 You paid for promises, hopes, and dreams plus an alpha build. You got what you paid for.
Stop having buyer's remorse and take some responsibility.
RP-1 is still in development and could always make tutorials or gameplay. After the major update a few months ago that revamped the game, I have been struggling to understand some of the features. Especially now that reusing boosters and slapping a completed upper stage is no longer possible. For KSP2, I want my money back. I paid to get a completed game knows it will take time, but now that time is pretty much infinite
I haven't gotten much into it but it sucks that they removed recovery. It's gotten much more restrictive and takes away the fun of KSP itself imo, so I really dislike P&LC
@FolivoreNugget I don't dislike the P&LC update. I just think that they didn't implement it properly. Especially with not being able to reuse stages and space stations serve no use since there are no contracts for them now
@@hugoandre96neither of that is related to the plc update really, and could be brought back with additional updates
@clayel1 it can be, but the point is that was removed and when I asked if they plan to bring it back, they said it wasn't planned. But that was months ago, so idk if their plans changed or not. I was working on making my space station with contracts when the update happened, and now I don't have an incentive to make stations
@@hugoandre96 space station contracts are planned, theres just a lot of stuff at higher priority
Sad Kerbal Noise, to be real I’m really sad all the lies and all the wrong hopes. I will always stay subscribed no matter what you do.
These massive companies seem to have lost sight of the simplest business principles. They legit looked at the struggling industry and said "Hmm, how can we make more money. I know! Let's put all our eggs in one basket by developing huge titles! Diversification of investments? What's that?"
The obsession with large short term gain Vs long-term stable profit is insane to me. But I guess that's what you get when execs that run these companies can just jump ship when they have burnt it all to ground and still have made millions.
But the consumer loves this nonsense. I'm such an extreme minority for only buying smaller completed projects. Only this year are people finally changing their minds.
The level of detail, production, and analysis of your development deep dive “retro” of what happened to KSP2 was very well done. You could keep going down this path for other games, and become an analytical voice for the broader games industry. Fans will always be hungry for insights and stories, and publishers are notoriously tight lipped. Your ability to synthesize public statements, behind the scenes details, dev interviews, and other data points into a mini documentary that walks through the timeline was entertaining and informative. Do more please!
My vote goes to Juno: New Origins.
It has much of what we wanted from KSP2 and is still actively in development. With the right push from streamers, it could evolve even more towards what we hoped for KSP2.
Honestly, J:NO deserves a lot more support. That game is really well made. I haven’t sunk nearly as many hours into it as I have with KSP, but it was obviously fun.
Absolutely, not to mention it's also on mobile. I have it on both platforms and it's features add so many things that KSP doesn't even have
@@aliensasquatch7485 that and I think it actually looks better than KSP or KSP 2 graphically. I know that’s subjective, but it’s my opinion, for whatever that’s worth.
It's very well made, serious developers who seem to know what they're doing, and simulates some very interesting things KSP doesn't, like the effect of nozzle length on ISP and stuff. :)
J:NO time to take it seriously. Not as twitch based as KSP, plus it's programmable.
Juno: New Origins, while not having the cuteness of the Kerbals, seems to be something to look at to replace KSP content
My main issue with juno new origins is simply the visuals, as although they look great, it's not as amazing as KSP with mods like RSS Reborn, TUFX & all of their constituent mods. But, I still see the reasons why people like it, as it is a great game in all.
@@ClarifyGS Go back and look at KSP 1.0, then compare to Juno. Among other things, they are working with Linx to port some of his graphical mods over, which will help a lot. They approached me a while ago, and I may look into doing it in the future
@linuxgurugamer Oh KSP 1 is still a valid Option. Linx, Blackrack and also you give the Game still the worthiness of being played.
Absolutely , Juno is a great game with extreme procedurality in the stock version, and actually goes deeper inside some aspect not touched by KSP, like for example the fact you can literally build any rocket engine tweeking various real parameter that affects the performance. The fact it has a way to implement script inside the rocket avionics and similar and to wrote code with their own simple language is really cool.
I just purchased it, I had never heard of it before this point. It's $8 on steam right now. Why not? This game needs more exposure!
What does it take to kill a renown IP ?
It *Take Two* ...
KSP2 got shutdown not because take 2 interactive is greedy - KSP2 was shutdown because the devs failed at delivering a decent product and tried to re-invent things that didn't need re-invented, and didn't fix things that needed to be fixed, and then created new things that needed fixed.
That's exactly why I've practically never played KSP 2 (no joystick usable) and many other things that prevent me from ever playing this game again. To be honest, I'm a bit put off by KSP anyway, let's see if I suddenly get the urge again
I did not purchase 2 . I feared this would happen. I'm so sad to be vindicated. I had really high hopes. But, absolutely no trust in Take 2.
I don't feel vindicated at all. I didn't buy it because there was no KSP2. There was no game there, only a promise! I don't buy promises, I buy products. And for beta testing I charge, I don't pay.
@@mikicerise6250 I mean feel however you want i suppose. Ive crowdfunded many games over the years and this is 1 of 1 that has dropped the ball on development.
I just want this channel to focus on making a lot of KSP1 content with mods, especially with parts mods and planet packs, the kind of mods really beautiful and useful that add real gameplay and challenges (like the boil-off with nertea's mods).
I'm so sad for KSP 2. I can't believe this finally happened😔
4:52 God, if Paradox had their hands on the KSP IP. It would no longer be KSP, it would be KDP! Kerbal DLC Program.
Atleast you could pirate it and play
Not to mention that while i like EU4 (i have like 2300 hours in the game) from my understanding the recent DLCs have not been fantastic for any of their games. CK3 was not as big of a hit as CK2 and Vic 3 probably shouldn't exist.. at least i think that came out. Oh and theres that whole City Skylines problem. Tbh idk how much i trust them anymore as a publish/studio. Im slowly losing my faith in the large game dev community as a whole.
Id honestly rather have the IP dead rather than PDX exploit it.
@@raspvidy same here
Please don't use God's holy name to cuss. It's blasphemous.
In my original steam review I called how they gave us info and updates "smells like a scam". Now I still believe this because they lied about so many things and delivered basically nothing. We were scammed and no matter what you say you won't change my mind. It's my opinion to have and hold.
I do really hope a proper studio picks up the title and scraps all prior code and really build a new KSP worthy of the name. But that is a dream I think will never come true.
It really was a scam. Shame on you Take Two!
I think Europe-focused space-related history stuff will be very much appreciated. There is a lot of channels with space themed content, but they are more focused on USA space program.
Definitely something that would interest me
I'd be down for that too
Europe doesn't really have a manned space program, probes are less compelling.
Europe has a space program? 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Yeah we have the ESA and we build the modules that you americans wouldn't even survive in space without
😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
RIP Kerbal Space Program 2
🕊2018-2024🕊
2023-2024 to be exact. Game didn't even last two years lmao.
Welcome Back KSP 1!
2024-XXXX
KSP cannot be given a birthdate or death since it was never even born in the first place. It was aborted while still in the womb.
Technically the game never even 'released'...
6 years in the womb and 1 year in the real world 😢
Suggestion: I advice to check out Juno: New Origin. It's not KSP, but it's a cheap orbital mechanic game that delivers on all the same fronts as KSP. Everything in Juno is also modular and can be dragged to every shape you can imagine. And I mean every part, even the fuel tanks.
It does require a little bit of effort to learn, as there's details that KSP did not have. Like the fuel types and grain, engine-bells affect performance based on design and other things.
Also, the planets are quite a bit larger than KSP, so you actually need more delta-v to reach a stable orbit.
I'd watch you play some of that :)
I suggest not to, it's very unfun and soulless.
This is honestly completely devastating to me. I’ve had a life long obsession with space and rocketry. This hurts me so much seeing this happen to KSP2. This game had so much potential. Especially now in an era where in real life, space exploration is booming again with SpaceX, Rocket Lab, NASA, and everyone else pushing the limits of space science. KSP2 had incredible potential to teach today’s youth about space science in a fun way. It’s unbelievably horrible what Take Two did to this franchise. It’s absolutely horrible and it breaks my heart.
I disagree that it had potential. It was a band-aid on top of already broken code. It was a money grab from the start.
@@anonony9081 Ya but you’re looking at it from a publishing perspective, which I would agree. Take Two did a horrible thing. But I’m talking about the game itself. The game had immense potential for what it could have been if the developers didn’t get screwed over. I think that’s where a lot of people misunderstand. The developers wanted this game to work out and succeed and they were (slowly, given the small dev team) making progress. The developers aren’t the enemy. It’s Take Two and their greedy antics.
Never EVER pre-order a game...
NEVER!!!
And never buy early access either.
I've had great luck pre ordering games and Kickstarter games. Just need to be smart and do your research about the developers. This was kind of doomed a while ago.
COD Ghosts survivor here, ya I learned my lesson.... Currently waiting to see how Paralives turns out before spending any money on it, lets hope everything goes well.
I'm going to recommend an Early Access game, Satisfactory which is currently on sale and full release coming soon.
then, we can wait for full release then
KSP2 isn’t just still available on steam, it’s on sale too… -20% off
i would give Juno: New Origins a try tho, very cool, very customizable, very performant, and on 60% sale rn
Yeah! J:NO is also starting to get mods. Parallax was ported. The Droods don't have as much personality as the Kerbals, but you can't argue with the performance. J:NO is waaaay more optimized than KSP. And hey, how about that, also made in the Unity engine. 😉
I'd buy it for 98% off...
Im thinking of suing Take Two Interactive for Consumer Protecion Law Violations. These have been malicious company behaviors.
I'll add my vote for Juno: New Origins too. I've been looking into that more and more now that my $50+ dollars have been waisted on KSP2. I probably would have sunk the money on KSP2 anyway since it did get some updates in before Take 2 decided to get their grubby hands in on it.
3 words. modded ksp playthrough
Honestly id also like a more in depth understanding of how modding in KSP works too because i still have issues where some modded parts just outright dont work like the JWST style telescope you can send up, not to mention that some of the other mods dont have much to go on and the learning curve is pretty steep with them.
The Kraken transcended the game
Revenge for Tom Vinita‘s ambitious claims 😔
@@vedanshgupta4711 That clip aged terribly
And then there is Juno ... Really liking the parametric engines there.
Last Update to Development Branche was 01.07.2024 13:20 UTC
Take Two already has your money, and that is all they care about.
I'm sure they lost their ass on this. They would make more money if the game was finished. But it's obviously this was in development hell
They don’t even have that since the game probably didn’t make its own budget back in sales
Are we going to shut down GTA6 in protest? After all, they formally own Rockstar games.
@@InfernalLordHadesLore why would you? You can pay to the competent dev team for finished product. It's unfortunate that great team can make great finished product even under "take two ownership".
Take two doesn't make games. They are taking business decisions. Some devs doing GTA 6, some KSP 2.
But it's too early to talk. Maybe GTA6 will come as a lagging early access piece because Take two are so evel? Then I'll not buy it as well!
@@dizellord the reality is that T2 will hold onto KSP IP and will not sell it in close future, as it still gets sales from KSP 1. Other studios can't directly develop KSP2 in any way and direct competitors like Jundroo with Juno: New Origins are less known and less popular. They develop, but it's highly unlikely they will take off to same level of popularity.
Time to mod the ever loving shit out of KSP1!
(KS)RSS, EVE, Volumetric Clouds, Realism Overhaul and a whole bunch of parts packs. Make your own KSP2.
Have you ever heard of "Juno" on steam? It used to be called "Simple rockets 2", it's improving quite a lot lately.
What I would like to see, is a large scale, colonization effort. Not just a small surface base and space station, but multiple very large bases, star ports, orbitel construction docs, things like that .if that's possible
What about Juno New Origins? I've started playing and so far it's been really fun, also it still has a dev team.
You mean Simple Rockets 2.
@@SpinosaurusStudios_ Yes. Is it blasphemy or something to call it Juno? I'm new to the game and it was already renamed when I started.
@@immabird7861 The namechange was about as well received as KSP2 release. Mainly because it is stupid. Simple Rockets 2 made sense.
@@kukuc96it made sense when it started and the game was simple. But the game is currently not as simple as the early versions were
@@TimeMasterOG Agreed, Juno new origins is a better name, as it's more official. Imagine if Kerbal space program was called Rocket ship flight simulator. That wouldn't fit at all.
The game is on SALE on steam, what the actual hell?
Yeah and it's a total and complete joke: €40 (!) for a game that nobody should ever buy anymore 😵
@@Vermeulenisdenaam Nobody should have bought it to begin with. When you have a massive publisher like Take 2 behind the game you don't need to do early access unless something has gone wildly off the rails.
@@TNH91 I totally agree, but admittedly at that time, I was totally enchanted with the marvelous alpha/beta footage and couldn't wait to get my hands on it and fell for the marketing b4llshit they threw our ways. I also wasn't aware of the Take Two org-structure, they conveniently presented Private Division as the driving force behind this project and I fell for it (like many others with me). Very valuable lesson learnt 😳
Maybe something a little different? I would LOVE to see you play Outer Wilds - it has one thing that KSP was always lacking: TONS to explore on ALL the planets.
Less you know going in the better.
(It's also relatively short compared to how many hours most players have in KSP with under 20 hour (give or take) to really explore everything and see the end of the story. Oh yea: did I mention IT HAS A STORY? ::D)
For possible videos in the future, I'm curious what you'd end up making in Juno. As far as my plans for the uncompleted KSP2, I will probably try to get something resembling my money's worth by eventually finishing out the tech tree and seeing what I can do with the full range of available parts while hoping modders will be able to add more to the game, even if it's never all that was originally promised.
What I’d love to see is a series on the various mods available for KSP. There are a few recent videos on the visual mods around UA-cam but it seems like there aren’t a lot of other mods that are being showcased - quality of life mods, part mods, etc. I’d love to see a series that goes through some of the better mods in detail to showcase what they can offer.
I don't know whether he still makes videos, but Kottabos used to showcase almost every mod for KSP. CKAN can then tell you compatibility
@spost1986 Matt Lowne has started a series where he plays modded KSP,
one mod at a time. Go check that one out!
Id love that especially with some of the bigger mods like Interstellar.
we start a class action suit to get refunded
Yeah Steam told me to get bent and I haven't launched the game in over a year+. Shouldn't still be on sale, report the store page for fraud.
Thats not how that works with EA games. When you purchased the game you signed a disclaimer.
I'd like to see someone release the unfinisheed planets in ksp1
I think Juno has potential. The career mode they added last year provides a very KSP experience. The performance is so much better, it makes me forgive a lot.
Maybe look into Juno? Do some videos with that? I haven't looked into it, but I would like to see you play around with it.
There is Space Engineers game. Not quite KSP level, but overall cool space simulator game. No Man's Sky is arcade game, but overall they became much better with 25+ free DLC's, and ACTUALLY make the game they promised with multiplayer, colonies and so on. With recent updates it became like a diamond.
As much as I like Space Engineers, it is not a KSP subtitute at all. It has no orbital mechanics, the way gravity works is very questionable. It is almost as much of an arcade as NMS.
Space Engineers kind of sucks, it's insanely unoptimised and it has so much dlc that your game isn't really special without them
@@bravoalpha101st "so much" (12) 4 bucks DLC . Holy Jeebus they will milk your bank account especially with such a game price 18$. Plus with steam summer sales its at 55% discount for the all inclusive bundle at an atrociously expensive 37$! Gosh I'll have to sell my kids and home to afford this.
@@DC2022 12 times 4 is 48... i could buy two games with that... 37 dollars isnstill enough to buy a game
The most comparable game to ksp is juno new origins
Now it's time to finally start working hard on Orbiter - including a more modern and advanced graphics server.
The joy of KSP and KSP2 for me was taking an enormously complicated topic -- orbital mechanics -- and turning into a game. Now, I am not your typical gamer, and clearly folks like me don't create enough demand to fund tremendously expensive software development projects, so for now, we're left with a hole. But into that void, some independent studio is likely to one day introduce another physics-realistic simulation that will allow us to play and learn really interesting, really challenging science concepts, which is one of the more noble benefits of gaming. Shadow Zone, you're of like mind, and a very good journalist, so I hope you'll continue to report on science-based simulation games, and draw some attention (and maybe drive some sales) for small game productions that seek to satisfy our thirst for knowledge about the Universe through creative play. Surely this is a beat that will continue to be lively for many years to come.
How about KSP 1.5, where you showcase new and updated mods for KSP 1 that help to update our aging but beloved game, as well as show games like Juno, where it is now, and how that can scratch the itch. So, not far from what you've previously done, but more up-to-date and with the standard that KSP 2 would have set as the ruler to measure by.
Go all out and do full realism overhaul on ksp1
This! I loved watching Scott Manley play through that selection of mods back when he did. Over the years I've tried to recreate the experience on more than one occasions but the mods and compatibility are all jumbled up enough to make me give up each time. Having a proper standalone using KSP1 as the base but doing full realism? Take my money!
Rp1 is a collection of mods, if that doesn’t run its on you
@@z33r0now3 _Whoosh_ (the sound of this idea going over your head)
We need to restart the KSP excitement. I remember the hype train leaving the station, when several of the major KSP UA-camrs did the space station collaboration video series
- would be very cool to see something similar using an actual “celebrity” KSP server with simultaneous play -, maybe that was an initiative you could explore shadowzone?
This one - ua-cam.com/play/PL9TJhYxFTqCjxckcA11gbWj8CTL4c5Q1J.html&si=nhJbQ9-nYBq-409-
While there’s a snowballs chance in hell of it ever happening, one of the conditions of EA should be that if the project fails, you make your code and assets public, at least those that are project specific.
Juno new origins can be an interesting topic.
Maybe you can show you trying out new space game after space game. It can be a long term project of you giving your opinions about it, with the end goal of finding the best successor to KSP, in your opinion. A long term project with exploration of games and new worlds while trying to find a game that has the right feel to it. Like the long journey in Star Trek Voyager or Battlestar Galactica or Stargate Universe or Lost in Space. Lots of excitement. Lots of mishaps. With an endgoal but also an important and learning experience along the way. I would love to be on that trip with your channel.
I really loved the science update and I was having a ton of fun with that playthrough, including my first ever Tylo landing and return. It was so great to see the game finally on course for success, and then T2 just kinda nuked it. I think I’ll still try and complete the tech tree in the science mode playthrough, and then I’ll probably either install 8 million KSP1 mods or just play a different game altogether
Early access is for indie developers without funding from a major publisher. Everyone should take this as a lesson in reading into businesses before you give them money or attention. They are not your friend until they've earned it.
kurzgesagt is putting out a space game in 2025, called Star Birds. Could check that out, no clue the details or amount of content you could get out of it, but it's space and kurzgesagt loves their science.
Questionable channel with questionable funding.
@@corecollapse4726 well said
@@corecollapse4726 How so?
I always thought they were well respected and honest science people?
m8 with all due respect, it looks like a shitty ipad app and has nothing to do with the kind of gameplay is KSP, why even promote it here?
@@clusterduckstudios they made one iffy video about refugees a few years back and every nutter has been going conspiracy mode at them ever since
A modded ksp 1 serie with highly technical missions
I want to see a full Life Support joruney, taking at least 2 Kerbals to every planet and moon - NOT ONLY THAT, but the first ever Kerbal to land on the Mun needs to survive long enough until AFTER the last mission (which will be at the most distant place you can land on KSP, have to survive at least 1 year there and then come back) returns.
Little caveat: you can only do ONE resupply mission per planet. So efficiency and crazy spaceships is a must.
:)
I'm not a developer, I'm not a games journalist, I'm not a person who makes mods, and although I've done some computer programming I've never worked on games, I'm just an individual who enjoyed ksp1 who purchase ksb2 and would have liked to play the finished version of the game not sure if I'll ever get to do that but it would be nice
"Dakota's Hopes and Dreams" That hits the hardest
This is so incredibly sad. I still hope that we get something, maybe another Publisher, maybe they publish what they had like you said...whatever... For content ideas: I personally would greatly enjoy a modded KSP playthrough with mods like MKS, Kerbalism, Near&Far Future technologies, some interstellar star systems and many other great mods that are out there
KitHack comes from one of the KSP 1 Devs.... I know nothing about it and haven't played it myself but the vids I've watched on it seem cool
I'm sticking with you! Don't give up. I am definitely interested in some of the ideas you mentioned:
- Explore KSP 1 with the current mods that are available.
- There is still some "life" left in KSP 2 depending on what happens. They push out the remaining code, someone does come along to continue it, see what modders can do with it, etc...?
- KSP is of course the best! But are there other games that play with space exploration maybe not to the KSP level, but something we'd all like?
I would honestly love if some development team is out there and seeing all this thinks, "just give us a few years and we're going to take the KSP crown." I think back when SimCity crashed and along came a new king, Cities: Skylines. Maybe that history will repeat. I'm hoping...
Whatever you choose to do know that I enjoy your presentation and look at the gaming world. Be willing to experiment, I'll stay subscribed and follow you on this new path we all have to take. I set aside KSP as I got into other games and knew KSP 2 was coming. Okay, I now have a reason to return to KSP and believe me, there is still a lot for me to try. The journey continues... ;-)
Take care.
This is how I felt about Sword of the Stars 2. It made me twice shy about getting too hyped about any game, so I kind of dodged a bullet in that sense.
Did you have to remember me about that fiasco? I successfully forgot about Sword of the Stars 2. ;-)
So glad I waited for the reviews on that one. I wasn't so jaded back then, just got lucky.
Man, so many games have been complete disappointments lately. I've been a huge gamer my whole life; if this is the future of gaming, that might change.
Buck up. Things are not nearly so bad. While there are lots of greed-driven disappointments there are still more quality games coming out every year than at any point in history.
Lately? This has been going on for a long long time. With almost finished games never being released to playable demos never going anywhere in old games as well. Nothing new here.
Play your backlog!
just don't play corporate games. indie titles are great as ever
@@jm56585 that's a lame statement as well. The Major of indie games can also suck. Steam is full of crappy indie games. You just need an open mind and don't expect any game to be great.
But I agree when it comes to a true passion project game. They often have a lot to offer and where made with care.
Juno: New Origins! Without popular UA-camr's making content for it, it's never going to get the traction that it needs. It has none of the problems of Kerbal and so many more features.
Oh, it's has its own share of physics bugs. Not KSP2 level, to be sure, but KSP1 level. Turned me off to the game seeing the same physics jank as KSP1, when KSP1 is more charming.
I know it might not be original to make a series with rss/ro/rp1 mods, but I would love to see it
While I agree that it was promised by marketing to contain colonies, interstellar, multiplayer etc., just to play devil's advocate, I have to mention that there is a big notice from Steam on every Early Access title that states:
"This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development."
and if you click on the more info:
"Its up to the developer to determine when they are ready to 'release'. Some developers have a concrete deadline in mind, while others will get a better sense as the development of the game progresses. You should be aware that some teams will be unable to 'finish' their game. So you should only buy an Early Access game if you are excited about playing it in its current state."
This is not meant as some sort of excuse for Take Two\Private Division, just a general reminder that you should buy EA games with it in mind that the current version may be the final one and if you are not yet happy with the state of a game, you should wait.
Now to the question, what I would like to see in the future of KSP2? I already went through the states of grief and made my peace with KSP2 being dead. I would nevertheless like some honesty from T2. Just some honestly about the future of the game, even if it is just an official confirmation about the game no longer being developed. I do like your idea about putting all the WIP features into some beta branch and let us have our hands on it, though.
make ksp2 in ksp1
@ shadow-zone....you remember the panel, where it showed : days without incidents
just go from there and do ksp-1 stuff with mods for example, or something like that, keep up the good work.
Idea: Grand tour of the Kcbaleoh System
I would love to see some KSP tutorials or some let’s plays. Thanks for all the news.
Pikachu shocked face... told you so. This game was dead on inception, their attempts to revive it were a complete failure.
Seems like a really bad example of scope creep. As a dev (not game) it's something that you need a corrective force for or an assertive project manager or technically skilled people to push back on.
Unfortunately they thought a bunch of juniors could do this with not much on the senior end. I can assure you when I was a junior there's no way I'd make good decisions on architecture.
amen
I really would like to play the game the original creator has talked about where its basically "Kerbal Airplane program" where it covers early flight. It would be great if he could get them back someday in the future.
That’s PWP and far and procedural wings sir
Now we wait for Kerbal Space Program 3. Copium.
I am so sad this would happen to kerbal space program. Out of all the game series out there. 😢
I'll never ever again buy a early access game
I won't miss much on consoles then! 😊
Early access is fine, just don't buy a game that doesn't have value in its current state. There are plenty of EA titles that are already in a better state than the typical AAA "full release".
@@JonBrase scrap mechanic was like this 6 years ago and it's doing great (their old trailer's way cooler btw)
You won't regret it. If a game is worth buying it is worth finishing.
I'm probably not going to buy a take two game again....screw GTA6 ect. Just money grabbing sceams. Such a scummy company and board of directors....you can even tell looking at them that no members their board had never played any of their games (they just care about money and have no interest in a good experience for gamers)
I think a good starting point for you is to go through all the different games in the space genre. I'm interested in seeing someone review them and put them through the paces to see if any are an update to ksp1.
8:10 Sorry to say this, but the problem with Early Access is that you pay for, well, early access to an unfinished product in excatly the state it is in when you do the purchase. You do not pay for anything that is planned further down the line, they (most of the time) only promise that you also get access to the finished product (if and when it gets finished) at no additional cost. But you do not pay for any planned but yet unreleased features - sure, you can expect them to be added but if development takes another route and those features get dropped, then it is what it is.
And this is why I never buy an early access game until it is clear that the game I want to buy is actually going to happen, no matter how good I wish it to be.
Do not buy unfinished games. Every time you do you are encouraging companies to do this. Wastes our time, wastes your time and your money.
This whole thing is depressing. Thanks for keeping us up to date.
TotalBiscuit used to warn against putting all your content focus into one game, to avoid exactly this situation. Maybe a variety series based on looking for the next thing to focus on would be interesting, perhaps involving newish games that let you express your (real-life) skills & knowledge. _(Edit: actually now I am watching your 'Doomed from the Start' video and really enjoying it, so I vote for more deep-dive stuff. 😊)_
I should mention: I know the game 'AI Roguelite' is always struggling to find exposure, although I imagine that recording it might be tricky.
9:02 Start a project called "Lab Rat Interstellar Ventures". Lab Rat sounds kind of like "labreK", and lab rats are cute, endearing creatures accustomed to enduring danger in the interest of science. If you can get them on board, Harvester is your lead developer and Scott Manley is your creative director and scientific/engineering consultant. Your patrons are your source of venture capital.
Multiplayer was the first red flag.
Colonization was another.
the idea of a KSP 'remastered and refinished' with reworks from the ground up building towards a similar conclusion as KSP 1 but with greater optimization and greater use of company resources (IE: parts that are designed to be procedural from the get go; ideally with different 'parts' being procedural with different aesthetics and optimized for different sweet-spots as far as size/etc.) would've been great,
Would love to see a RP-1 Campaign!
True, but we have already Carnasa, Raiz Space, SeyMonsters and recently Mike Aben and others. I do enjoy it a lot however and have watch 100's of RP1 videos.
To me, what is missing is good simple tutorials how to make parts with only Blender and without Unity because for the latter you need some weird patch that you cannot find anymore. Kerbonerd did a few tutorials but they are very difficult and skip over some quite complicated steps. I think with some good and simple tutorials more people would experiment with making parts for KSP1.
Would love to see a Bluedog Design Bureau, historic and future playthrough! Using real solar system, and even some extra galactic mods maybe...
Over the last few weeks, I've been diving into Juno. Significantly different from KSP, yes, but @ShadowZone, you were the one that got me interested in it. I think it would be cool to show people this one while we wait for T2 to pull their cranium from their gluteus maximus. Yes, it is a bit more difficult, but it is far more fulfilling to make your own builds that actually work vs. the KSP franchise. I'm still glad that you are here!
It's a sad state of affairs all round. Best of luck with the future of your content!
I'd been keen to see more games but I also think you did a fantastic job investigating and presenting the KSP 2 development history, would you be interested in doing more history/journalism stuff? Maybe more about space flight rather than game development if that's more interesting to you but I think you've got skills in that area and I'd be keen to watch anything like that!
Even though things seem bleak, I am still not giving up hope for KSP 2. People may call it dead, but I will never forget this game no matter what.
I'd like to see a series on Kitbash Model Club - imo it's Harvester's KSP2 without the frogman IP :)
Suggestions for the evolution of your channel:
- Go back to KSP 1 and experiment with all the mods, old and new. I think a lot of players who had been waiting for KSP 2 will no go back to KSP 1 and there will be renewed activity from the modders.
- Talk about other games related to engineering and orbital mechanics. (one such game is Flight of Nova, that is still in early access too but is a very polished and functional game)
I'd like it if either some of the old devs came back or, with how technically minded this community is, we got a community funded and developed open source project with Berbils and they are blue and very totally legally distinct.