Rural Thailand To Pattaya… Are The Parents Involved? 🇹🇭
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Are The Parents Pimping Them Out?
00:00 Intro
00:29 Disclaimer
01:30 Why I Am Making This Vlog
02:00 Families In The Village Working In Pattaya & Bangkok
02:45 My Initial Thoughts ON The Scope
03:00 Case Study 1 - Porno Movie & Parental Disgrace
03:30 What Percentage Of Parents Know
04:00 Population Of Women In Isan
04:15 Number Of Sex Workers In Thailand
04:27 What Percentage Of Isan Women Work IN The Sex Industry
05:10 Comparing This With The UK & Domestic Abuse
05:53 My Wife Estimation & Subscriber Story
06:21 The Keep It A Secret
06:46 Case Study 2 - The Parents Know
07:32 Case Study 3 - It Runs In Families
08:44 Why Do They Do IT?
09:49 I Was Wrong
10:05 What Do Some Parents Think?
11:00 Am I Back Tracking
11:45 Do Rural Thai Parents Pimp Out Their Kids?
12:30 Limitations Of These Vlogs
13:00 Conclusion
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Those stats again - if all working girls came from Isan (about 1/3 do in reality) and half those parents know. That’s less than 3% of parental involvement.
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00:00 Intro
00:29 Disclaimer
01:30 Why I Am Making This Vlog
02:00 Families In The Village Working In Pattaya & Bangkok
02:45 My Initial Thoughts ON The Scope
03:00 Case Study 1 - Porno Movie & Parental Disgrace
03:30 What Percentage Of Parents Know
04:00 Population Of Women In Isan
04:15 Number Of Sex Workers In Thailand
04:27 What Percentage Of Isan Women Work IN The Sex Industry
05:10 Comparing This With The UK & Domestic Abuse
05:53 My Wife Estimation & Subscriber Story
06:21 The Keep It A Secret
06:46 Case Study 2 - The Parents Know
07:32 Case Study 3 - It Runs In Families
08:44 Why Do They Do IT?
09:49 I Was Wrong
10:05 What Do Some Parents Think?
11:00 Am I Back Tracking
11:45 Do Rural Thai Parents Pimp Out Their Kids?
12:30 Limitations Of These Vlogs
13:00 Conclusion
mate your 6% is for currently working how about another 44% that have worked at some point.
@@ArchiBiH interested to know more, where is the data point from?
Below are mine. 6% is based on if every single working girl across Thailand came from Isan, which they don't. Anything under 50% of a population is a minority so my conclusion would probably still stand. Though still interested to know more on those moving in and out.. The issue is not "if they have at some point done sex work" it is if their parents send them to do it as the commenter suggests. I suggest it would be mathematically impossible for the majority of isan parents to do this with the current data on number of sex workers vs population of Isan.
Global Slavery Index (2020): Estimated 500,000 people involved in the sex industry in Thailand. Source: Global Slavery Index 2020 by Walk Free Foundation.
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC): Estimated 123,530 sex workers in Thailand in 2008. Source: UNODC Global Report on Trafficking in Persons, 2009.
Thailand Ministry of Social Development and Human Security: Estimated 123,530 to 147,080 sex workers in Thailand in 2014. Source: Thailand Ministry of Social Development and Human Security, as reported by UNAIDS.
Thailand has approximately 250,000 sex workers in 2024. This figure is sourced from the International Union of Sex Workers (IUSW) and is consistent across various reports, including those by The Thaiger and The Star (Thaiger) (The Star).
Just some food for thought when running the numbers based on turnover
Hypothetical Calculation:
Assumptions:
Let’s assume the average career duration in sex work is 5 years.
We will consider a 20-year period to estimate the turnover and total involvement.
If there are currently 250,000 sex workers, and the average career is 5 years, we can estimate a complete turnover every 5 years.
Over 20 years, this means 4 cycles of turnover (20 years / 5 years per cycle).
The cumulative number of individuals involved might be 250,000 * 4 = 1,000,000.
If we assume that a significant portion, say 50%, of sex workers come from Isan, this would be 500,000 women over 20 years.
Female Population of Isan: 11 million
Estimated Lifetime Involvement: 500,000
Percentage of Isan Women Involved at Some Point: (500,000 / 11,000,000) * 100 ≈ 4.5%
Analysis and Conclusion:
Even with the assumption that 50% of all sex workers in Thailand come from Isan and considering turnover over a 20-year period, the percentage of women from Isan who have ever been involved in sex work is approximately 4.5%.
@@thenakedguru I was pointing out that your 6% is for currently working and from that you conclude that only say half 3% parents would know. If you were to estimate all the s. workers that are no longer active it would be higher than 6% and therefore more than 3% parents would know. Why only 5 year career why not 15, why only 20 year cycle not 60 and then divide by 11m including grandmothers?
@@ArchiBiH Changing these metrics this is what we get
Population of Isan:
Approximately 11 million females.
Sex Workers in Thailand:
Estimated at 250,000.
Previous Assumptions:
Cycle Duration: Previously, we considered a 20-year cycle.
Career Duration: We assumed an average career duration of 5 years.
Revised Calculation:
Cycle Duration: Now, let's consider a 60-year cycle.
Career Duration: We maintain the assumption of a 15-year average career duration.
Analysis:
Cumulative Involvement:
With a 15-year average career duration and a 60-year cycle, there would be 4 complete cycles (60 years / 15 years per cycle).
Over these 4 cycles, assuming a constant turnover rate, the cumulative number of sex workers would still be:
250,000 * 4 = 1,000,000 sex workers.
Proportion from Isan:
Assuming 50% of all sex workers come from Isan, this results in:
50% of 1,000,000 = 500,000 sex workers from Isan over 60 years.
Comparison with Isan Population:
Total female population in Isan: 11 million.
Estimated lifetime involvement from Isan: 500,000.
Percentage Calculation:
(500,000 / 11,000,000) * 100 ≈ 4.5%
Explanation:
The reason the percentage remains around 4.5% in both scenarios (20-year cycle with 5-year career vs. 60-year cycle with 15-year career) is due to the proportional relationship between the estimated number of sex workers and the total female population in Isan. The calculation of lifetime involvement essentially divides the estimated number of sex workers from Isan (over the specified period) by the total female population of Isan.
Changing the cycle duration (20 years to 60 years) primarily impacts the total cumulative number of sex workers over time, but since we are calculating a percentage relative to the total population, and assuming a constant turnover rate, the percentage of females involved in sex work remains stable around 4.5%.
Conclusion:
The consistency in the percentage reflects the relative scale of the estimated number of sex workers compared to the total female population in Isan. This underscores the implausibility of the claim that 44% of females in Isan are involved in sex work, as it would require a vastly higher number of sex workers relative to the entire population, which is not supported by the available data.
so to the point of this accumulating and the living parents that would know
Cumulative Involvement:
We estimated approximately 500,000 women from Isan would be involved in sex work over a 60-year period.
Parental Awareness:
Half of the parents are assumed to be aware of their children's involvement in sex work over this period.
Current Timeframe:
We'll consider the current point in time within this 60-year period to determine how many parents would currently be living and aware.
Calculation Steps:
Cycle Duration and Career Span:
Assuming a 15-year average career duration, over 60 years, there would be 4 cycles of turnover (60 years / 15 years per cycle).
Cumulative Involvement:
Total number of women involved in sex work over 60 years: 500,000.
Aware Parents Currently:
Calculate the number of parents who would currently know about their children's involvement based on cumulative involvement and assuming half are aware.
Calculation:
Number of Aware Parents Currently:
From previous calculations, over 60 years and assuming half of the parents are aware:
Number of parents who would currently know ≈ 500,000 * 0.5 = 250,000 parents.
Conclusion:
Based on these assumptions and calculations, approximately 250,000 parents in Isan would currently be living and aware of their children's involvement in sex work, assuming a 15-year average career duration and a 60-year period with half of the parents being aware.
Estimating Total Parents:
If we assume an average family size and distribution, we might estimate roughly:
Total number of parents ≈ Total population / 2 (assuming an average of 2 parents per household).
Total number of parents ≈ 22,000,000 / 2 = 11,000,000 parents.
Percentage Calculation:
Percentage of parents who would currently know:
(250,000 / 11,000,000) * 100 ≈ 2.27%
Conclusion:
Based on these assumptions and calculations, approximately 2.27% of the total Isan population of parents would currently know about their children's involvement in sex work.
am still interested in the source for 44% as that may change the whole thesis. Cheers
@@thenakedguru Yes so 5 yr career with 60 yr cycle = 12*500000 (estimate of slave trade)=6000000/2(for isan)=3000000/6800000{part of 11m minus children and grandmothers)*100=44%
I live in a large village in Issan.
When the girls return to the village for a holiday, you can generally tell the girls that are working in bars and sex industry by the clothes they wear and they generally have tattoos.
Bingo!
Personally, I don't like tattoos, but I wouldn't assume that every woman that has a tattoo is, or has been a sex worker, unless perhaps they also wear clothes that appear to be 'beyond her means'. My Thai ladyfriend who lives in rural Thailand has a small tattoo, would never consider this type of 'work'.
I think he says generally and the clothes they wear make it very obvious 👍
@@colinb8512 Girls in most Asian countries , If they have visible tattoos they will not be hired for most jobs,
Not to mention the nose jobs, silicon breasts, Botox lips and terrible mascara eyebrows!
We respect and agree with your assessment. Do not be bullied by those who criticize you. Keep up your good work we support you
I don't agree with it, I feel it is naive in the extreme. The truth is somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.
you dont agree that the majority of Isan parents have nothing to do with their children going into the sex industry... despite me just giving the stats that make that statement impossible...
@@thenakedguru No, you keep mixing the two main points - I agree that in most cases the parents do not encourage them to go into that industry. However, you maintain that a very small percentage KNOW their daughters are going into that industry - those are two very different arguments. I am telling you now that the vast majority of parents would either know or strongly suspect what their daughters are doing.
@@stateoffear9605 Stuck in the Middle with you. ua-cam.com/video/WT_5J6_faWE/v-deo.html
Just to clarify i made this video to say i move my estimation from only 20% to at least 50% know of the 1-3% involved
but it really is my subjective idea based on damos family and the community i am in which there are just not that many working girls here, all damos family went to either live in Germany, or work for big companies in BKK so I am not surrounded by stories so to speak
You have done well again explaining the subject of Thai prostitution to your audience. Many foreigners only experience the bar/massage scene in the popular tourist resorts, but how many are aware of the local approach and how their needs are catered for. Just about every larger village upwards can offer the local populace (men) "girls for sale". The venues are usually cheap, and rooms are sold by the hour. Many have A/C with hot and cold water. Some have theme rooms and are decked out quite tastefully. If you arrive by car or motorbike, you make your choice of room and an usher takes you there, will open the door turn on the A/C then pull a heavy curtain in front of the room so nobody from the outside can see your vehicle or number plate. It is a slick and professional operation frequented almost entirely by Thai men. Whilst working girls are not usually on the premises, should you require one a quick phone call from reception can soon fix that. When you have lived in the kingdom for a long time you begin to realize that prostitution has been part of the culture for time immemorial. Actually, it is not usual for the average Thai person to either look down or have a blighted of opinion toward girls who choose to do this work. In their minds (Thai) it is just another job to make some money for the family.
So PLEASE don't look down on sex workers or think badly of them. They are human beings just the same as everybody else but often have to put up with a lot more in the workplace than others >>>
well said
Great comment, 1st visit to Th. Land was in 73 17/18 yrs old stayed and travelled the smaller towns villages sex workers in every place and no foreigners, it’s always been a huge part of Thai life, wasn’t invented by the US army etc
Dont't even need to explain to those trying to put u down. It never ends.
I think a majority of the ladies are looking to better their lives. Period. What ever that means will be different for every one. My Thai wife is an example. She's 22 years younger and lives with me in California. Brought her daughter here as well to go to college. She works and enjoys it. America is a great place to make money if you're not afraid to work. I pay all the bills she saves and sends money back. Everyone is happy 🙏
Same thing in Africa, India, Somalia, Morocco, Mexico, Panama, etc. everyone is trying to survive. Hunger is the worse feeling in the world.
Hey Ryan. The build is coming along nice. Looks like the weather is a bit more bearable. Love the vids.
Cheers my friend!
My experience is that there is a double standard: Sex work is largely accepted in private, mostly because anything that brings in decent money can't be a bad thing, but denied in public, because family honour & face.
generally agree
I love your videos Facinated by your lifestyle
agree office work is THB 8k a month some young girls are earning THB 100k plus and those international THB 250k a month plus in Japan so when all the money is flowing in they must know. But as long as it keeps flowing the whole family is happy even older brothers which family the youngest daughter is also supporting with cars motor bikes property. The young dest daughter is the isaan family pension plan and is her duty to finance the family
Always interesting and informative and thought proving
Its been awhile since this vlog popped up in my feed. Glad it did - measured, thoughtful response to this topic. Thanks... ❤
Thanks For Creating And Sharing
Love the two channels, Ryan. No need for any trips, mate. Just enjoy watching you wandering around your area and philosophising 😊 No need to change anything. Keep it going, and thanks for the vids 👍👍
Interesting and well articulated discussion, well done.
if someone is forming their opinion / experience of Thailand (its culture & people) based on their time in Pattaya or Soi Cowboy.....That tells you everything you need to know.
I agree and those people that you speak of, probably had a bad experience most likely of their own doing, or going in with the mindset that these Thai women are 'Superwomen' able to perform 'deeds' way beyond ordinary women and left disappointed... in the woman... not themselves.
Well done, good info
I live in a small isaan village, Damo's statistic on percentage of parents that know is closer to what i have seen, to save face everyone pretends. 50-50 is probably even generous. Its a class thing mate, you are middle class and wont be close to those families and they would see you as wealthier than them and would be embarrassed to say such things driven from poverty, i am a broke ass workingclass scumbag single dad,nearly every woman i know in the village went at least once to make money, including my extended family, and some are just village famous treacherous kha li......parents dont say go work in the sex industry, they say the family has no money, we are old and now you have a baby no husband, you can leave the baby with us and you go make money....the daughter decides going to Pattaya or Phuket is the quickest route to baht.
good video story yeaa .lets go into the music room .😀 l like this videos with your lovely thai family and frends .🙏
Good on you mate for thoughts
I live in Sisaket in a small village and after watching this video I asked my wife if parents or indeed everybody knew about the "night life" occupation of their neighbors. She said everybody. I was surprised and asked how. As soon as they come home to visit family and kids. I didn't understand so she said because they wear their nicest clothes which are often attractive to their customers, tight jeans etc..
Of course. Most parents anywhere on the planet aren't stupid , and have a damn good idea if their young daughters are auctioning of her virtue in the bright lights of the big city.
I guess my gripe is more with their complicity and actually sending them there but thanks for sharing
This happens in every country. Love your channel, thank you for always be transparent and speaking you r mind!
Thank you Tami
No it does not happen in every country.
Love your honesty lovely video and also interesting God bless you all always 🙏 ❤️
On a different topic just feel Thailand is not value for money anymore everything is costing a lot more high season but I feel the standards have dropped dramatically
The bar scene in Pattaya has been going on for nearly 40 years now, and is a major industry, the farmers would have seen and heard of girls coming and going for years, and also leaving to go overseas. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't second, or third-generation bar girls.
Interesting topic, you have a good outlook on life and reality, stay positive don't take the negative losers to heart, most of us just enjoy your content and life.
This channel is about a family living in Thailand presented by a composed expat who is a well integrated - very interesting 👍🏻
MY EXPERIENCE THAT Some just go to get a job like waitress dancer etc. You are mostly right I'm 74 now and a Vietnam War 🇻🇳 Vet did not go to the Bars and don't drink LOVE visiting the Temples and that's where I learned Thai from a MONK that was my age at that time and I taught him some English that was in Ubon whenI was stationed there between 1971 to 1973. Really enjoyed your thoughts keep it up .
Thanks!
This is the same in USA and UK with social services payments.
Played football with some Thais on one of the islands the whole family were part of the sexy massage business and it went back generations. They were quite open about it even when I got taken back to the village and met friends the eldest daughter was respected as the money made was shared amongst everyone in the village who needed it. The well worn narrative that workers in this line of work are being exploited bonded labour etc in what I experienced was not the case free to come and go and happy to do so.
Me and my Thai wife went to visit her uncle who's daughter was a sex worker. She had met a Singaporean man and was fleecing him. The father was very proud of her and took us to see his 100 cows he had accumulated and showed off his expensive sound system in his pickup truck..We also met her Thai boyfriend while we were there! We felt sorry for the Singaporean guy but found the whole thing quite sad and amusing.
Thanks for sharing 👍🙏
TNG,great video and insight on your topic thanks for sharing.One question on your great 360 degree brim protection hat.Where can I get a hat like the one you are sporting thank you?😊
Great video! It really got me thinking. Your point about parents focusing on their child's effort to help out, regardless of the profession, hit home. Sure, some parents know and some don’t, but only a tiny fraction actually push their kids into certain jobs. We, in the West, are quick to judge without understanding. At the end of the day, how a family supports itself is their business, not ours. We need to focus on our own lives and not be so quick to judge others.
i think the sex industry is as big here in europe as in thailand pr citizens
I don't think thats the real issue here ............but maybe the way it is communicated in the face of wishful thinking
@@jurgschupbach3059 don't really understand what you are communicating.. i dont know what issue you refer to but thai people is a proud ppl and dont look nicely ad girls going to pattaya.. no parant want there girl in pattaya
After living in Thailand I do know for sure that girls from villages do recruit other girls to work at the same bar. I would lean to what your wife % of parents know what their daughters are doing.. I speak Thai and noticed that a lot of the girls often come from the same village or province or where friends before. I have often met the mother working in the same bar as her daughter. Like you mentioned it can become a generational occupation. Sometime you see mothers bring their young daughters to the bars, the child isn't working but grows up seeing their mother working in a bar. It becomes the norm, the kids are very young, as young as 4 to 5 years old. It is the mind set of some families to encourage their daughters to go out and find a farang husband. It has become a standard joke amongst some Thai people. Though often it's said as jokingly, there is a lot of truth behind it.
It makes perfect sense: thesis = the parents don't know, antithesis = the parents do know, synthesis = half the parents know! 😊
good point
You're just a guy in a hat giving your "subjective" view or opinion.... I wouldn't apologize for your observations. You do not come across as abrasive nor as a so-called expert. I continue to be amazed at how many people want to argue their opinion against yours. In addition, WTF are they to criticize in the first place. Not your country, not your business. I imagine that working in the entertainment industry isn't the most enjoyable form of employment.
A vast proportion of families believe their children are working in the restaurant which was the case many years ago. Society is changing and most parents have no problem with this work as the family will be taken care of.
People are against drugs but many Thais make money from the crystal meth and many have no problem with the money to be made
Your talk was good. I actually could relate to the stories. Some girls do the work so they can help a sick family member too. Many get into debt with a loan shark demanding 20% each month and sex work is a way of hoping to pay the debt. Obviously many hope to meet a farang. Actually thai men have met a rich lady farang. People always think it is thai girls that get with a farang. I know several thai men who have rich farang wives.
Good discourse. I would say your wife is more correct. 50%.
Excellent video and very well presented given the nature of the subject. 🙏🏻 I thoroughly enjoy your channels and sincerely appreciate all that you do, Ryan. 🙏🏻
I like how you explained from a neutral perspective
Good defence of Issan women. Loving it.
You did good work
❤👍🏼Wow building getting done so quickly. 💕💕💕💕
Just like to add when bar girls introduce friends to work after one month they get commission
yes an important point
Finding fee. Not only in this industry!
I’m going to go with what your wife said about %50 … I think she would know better then us just giving opinions … also when giving “ numbers “ remember who creates these numbers and what they have to benefit off false numbers! Also weather directly or indirectly the parents the reason because most do it to support family weather they know or not! Here in big city Bangkok I asked 3 Thai men that I do business with and they say “ 8/10 parents know specially going to Pattaya or assume and don’t care because they need the money ! They said no traditional Thai parent want kids in Pattaya workin anywhere
Ryan,there are so many “self proclaimed expert experts out there” and they always think that everyone but them self are idiots !! And no way in hell they will change there attitude towards all the “less educated” people out there,I love your channel and you have so many good videos,and your thoughts about life ❤❤❤
Please understand how increasingly hard it is for a Thai farming family to produce income from the farm. The reality is a working girls income is the easiest and highest way to support the family unit on the farm. My experience is to watch newbie workers following those who visit home and offer assistance to get started. I have never seen parents push their kids into this, but remain silent when the girls volunteer to become a high income source for the family and are "chaperoned" to get started.
Quite right Tony 👍
That's the right perspective and proper use of statistics unfortunately I don't know if you have done this or not but bloggers make generalizations and videos based on generalizations. For example, I saw a video stating 10 reasons on why I left the US for the Philippines. One was in the US they don't care about old people and they don't have family values. The vlogger divorced in the US and left his wife and children in the US and left abandoning his children and then said he is leaving because of his belief in strong family values. People use gross generalizations as excuses to do what they want to do.
Most parents dont want to believe that their kids are working in that industry because its embarrassing and ashamed, however they just go with the flow because when the kid sends them money then everyone is happy.
I have a freind age 37 who freelancer.lost her husband and supports 3 kids , parents, grandparents.Her family are aware and she wants to go home but her family rely on her.
A few observations based on my experience regarding this....
1. The general attitude towards sex in Thailand is much more open and liberal than most westeners might know.
2. In rural areas, jobs and income are very hard to come by for the majority of the public. It's common for the kids of working age to send money back home to support aging parents and the house needs to be supported. It just is what it is. Most Thai's that i am around can't really afford a university degree.
3. The night life scene is typically about companionship just as much as it is sex. Many ladies I am aware of look to develop extended relationships with "clients" they meet. Quality over Quantity.
4. The negative view of sex workers really needs to change. It's the world's oldest profession and there is a massive demand for this type engagement. That is not going to change anytime soon. I find that Thai's do "entertainment" with a unique style and flair. I have many good friends in the nightlife scene in Bkk. There are some good people out there.
Thanks for sharing
Firstly I really enjoy your channel 👍
I guess people draw this conclusion if they only go to Bangkok or Pattaya and see that so many bar girls are from Issan. What they don’t comprehend is that it’s Thailand’s largest region and so statistically you will always see more people from the region in any entertainment industry (be that genuine waitress / cashier / bar girl) than elsewhere. And so the natural (wrong) conclusion is that people from these poorer regions are forced into this industry.
It is a far more complicated subject - as you say, some do this in the hope of meeting a good farang and having a better life. Some out of desperation after coming to the big city and having no other option. And (by far the fewest my opinion) some do this as they want the easy option to keep themselves / their boyfriend in yabba.
Too many farang are too quick to stereotype based on limited experience
I think most people know what goes on in Pattaya and how much a girl can make in a normal job. If she's sending "big money" home they know what she's doing. I'm surprised to see the stats. Every bargirl I meet here in Pattaya are from Issan. I've been living here almost 4 years and only met 1 or 2 not from Issan. The girls I meet that are not bargirls are usually not from Issan. 😮
Just on checking there are around 1000 bars in pattaya
So say half the working girls in the country are there
That’s 125 girls per bar
But still that amounts for only 1.14% of total women in isan 👍🙏
@@thenakedguru sounds about right ✅️
Some bars have Laos and Cambodian gals. It depends on the boss how much they pay the police.
@@kenji4596 I suppose I could open up a few more bars so I can employ the rest of them 😆
its a dirty job but..
It is a career choice. Economics is about opportunity and it is common in a lot of countries to go into prostitution. Young ladies do it here in Australia to finance their university studies and then go on to a professional career in their chosen studies. Rural communities have les 0:30 s opportunities and it gives them a level of financial support. It is like any
market, supply and demand and the Thai girls are very good at it. All I would say is buyer beware and enjoy the experience and if it concerns you don’t go there.
Are you doing solar panels? My last investigations with electrical authority said I could install my own , call them when done and they will inspect and change meter.
Many, if not the majority of the potentially 3% of the Isaan parents who know their daughters are working on the sex industry are the grandparents of children abandoned by their fathers, there the single mothers have to go out to get sustent for the whole family.
Besides, it is a hard life, alcohol is a daily routine, some will take ice to stay awake and get over their own issues. Many are happy to get out of their hell.
Thai parents know where there children are. They know what there doing. As long as she is supporting the family, working in Pattaya can be overlooked. Its all about survival!
Yes but the issue is the % of the population engaged - which is a minority 👍
Well geez man it better be a minority. If it's a majority of the population involved in sex trafficking then you'd have a hell of a fucking crazy country wouldn't you?
@Joe-mz6dc The point is it is a very very small minority, but yes would be a hell of a country
I think many that get into it happens then a neighbor who is in the business comes home for a visit and tells their "friend" about the opportunity to make good money. (Girls recruiting girls)
So , the parents are not involved. At least not initially.
I think you are doing a good job.
It is not easy to try to explain a complex situation to people who in many cases have preconceived ideas.
My experience is that 90% of the girls who have left school in Issarn go to other places to work.
Given that they are conservatively brought up and shy, most end up in factories or construction sites..
But a few also in the nightlife scene.
Some manage well and come home with the love of their life, and others take on problems that they got through their career choice.
but even those who have remained in the villages are not always problem-free. There are drugs and boyfriends with an alternative lifestyle even in the villages.
On the whole, I think you're right.
The people saying this rubbish is the one's visiting Pattaya and the girls are just telling them what they want to hear🙏
I think demo is more accurate and being Thai she would be more defensive, so her 50/50 is most probably more 30/70 being which parents know, to be honest, these parents aren't stupid they know what's going on, but it's not for us to judge. It's like us westerners love to judge but when you have a hot isaan girl come on to you, you are right in there boy!👍
yea i think she is, and certainly no judgement against the industry, everyone has to earn a living and we are all slaves to some extent
@@thenakedguruthere's certainly no judgement from me... if it it purely to help these young women and their families get out of abject poverty and survive. I will admit to actually admiring these women for what they're willing to do, especially when it's for their family's benefit and less for their own. Where I would draw the line on my judgement would be if it were to support a drug habit or criminal activities that harm others. As for "all of us being slaves to some extent", that is certainly true as far as taxes and government are concerned and maybe more so in modern times.
By the way... nice 'beauty bomb' at the beginning of your vlog. Love that dress on Damo and the way she exited was cute.
According to some friends in my village, I kind of agree the 50% thing because their parents said that they don't know; they only know that their daughter made a lot of money from work. It might be because of family circumstances, in my opinion. For the girls, they don't have much choice but to work in that industry, according to the girls' thought. This is all I know from friends and in my opinion, according to people in my village. I can say that mostly their parents don't send their girls to work there.
We have only seen one or two in our village that came back from Pattaya. Their life is well known and their parents are not proud of it.
I know one lady went to phuket because her mom talk her to go work in a bar. Her mother Said not come home before you find a rich farang. She live today in Seattle in the US with her american husband. So someone has bad luck with family but storries like this is not many of. Good video dude in a hat 55555.
Thanks for sharing
Stay positive,I'm a pome living in Australia and NZ, Asia is a cool place and we are better off living this side of the planet.
I’m not Tim Newton😂😂😂 I’m still laughing Ryan!🤣🤣🤣555
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Thank god, no more Timmy’s. 🎉
From a human nature and physiologic perspective, people can rationalize anything. What I mean by this, is even if the parents get a large amount of money from their daughter, they they may have plausible deniability. If for no other reason to save face in their own mind, not saying for sure, but in western culture that is often the case with college girls that work in cat houses in Nevada during college breaks. It happens, and I am sure in many cases the parents don't know, they think they are cocktail waitress's making good tips ... At least that was happening in the 70's when I worked at a Casino in Nevada for the summer.
well said
Fair play for coming back & holding ya hands up, saying, " I didn't quite have the facts" The sad thing is that they have to do this to make good money, no one should have to sell their body to make money 😢
I live in Petchabun province, many falangs here,90% who met there wife in the bar,5% on dating on line 5 % other, as you know Phetchabun is a central north province and like a sauna half the year,I do have a condo in Jomtien but I like to be in our house same as you and your wonderful wife and family, but ,Tyan the heat is really getting to me now,will be 60 in a few days, can't do much physical work anymore due to various conditions and injuries picked up by a life of hard physical work, then exploring inland Australia while I lived there ,next year thinking of spending the hotter months at the condo
The information about Pimping illegal in Thailand is The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act. Which is "This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB."
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@shuuyakano1732 would you like to also quote the laws of every other country where prostitution occurs? That will keep you busy for a long long time 🤣🤣🤣
I am agreement with Damo. The parents know but are saving face.
Another study said that there is up to 1 million sex workers in Thailand.
I have heard the story that there are schools in Issan that teach the girls to work in the sex industry, and how to hustle the Farang. I do not live in Issan , so, I have no idea, but, I do not believe this to be true.
What I do know is that everyone must do what they must do to make a living., and we should not judge.
Stay Safe, and Stay Blessed !
Quite right Douglas
As an expat living in Thailand, I would expect that most Thai parents would know what their daughters are up to, the secret is to keep this knowledge inhouse as much as possible! Many would have different opinions of course, Great vid.
As a man seeing my bangkok lady there are similarities too Isan. Her case she is a good worker, gym rat, now 50, and the out to pasture regarding work typically at 56. The way I see it her future not any massive savings and in the same house she was born in. So along comes me, looking at what country, rent or buy, finance good. Can this be the same as Isan? As a farang you can represent a happy exciting future to their rather predictable future.
I dont view this as a scam or anything, just a human being free in thought and thats human nature. Accepting that their is nothing inherently wrong with any of these thai women, more of a compatability question.
Anyways, she brings me much value to my life.
Their is some that know & some turn a blind eye the money is a big give-away because they couldn't earn that as a hotel receptionist or waitress 🙄
I've heard many girls are sent to settle family gambling debts in addition to providing for babies and families. The daughters usually support the families, not the sons from what i have learned.
But even if you are talking about women that live somewhere else for exemple in the south. Say a girl lives in Hat Yai but chooses to go to Phuket for work. Why would someone do that? Sure, they have a relative they stay with at Phuket. Would some thai women do that to actually just work as a normal cashier or waiter in a restaurant or drive taxi?
For me it's simple, people are people.
Not everyone needs to feed the hungry ghost, most are just trying to feed themselves and / or their families, there's nothing wrong with that.
Maybe 10,000baht might help the most needy...
I married an Isaan girl I met in Pattaya. So far, so good 👍 It'll be two years in November.
The family hits us up almost every month for something, but my wife understands we can't, nor do we want to, support a bunch of irresponsible breeders... My wife is the baby of 8 siblings, 4 of which are sisters. 1 of them died in a motorbike accident at 27. Another one is old enough to be her mother. Needless to say, they all, except my wife, have about 4 children apiece.
There's so much to say about crazy shit that happens here, but the same stuff happens everywhere 😅
Everybody is screwing everybody, including incest, pedophilia, and (I've heard) beastiality 😢
Congrats of netting a good one Steve - sound like it’s worked out 👍👍👍
My ex father on law asked me if the girls are still as nice as when he was in SIAM .
@@rubennilsson5416 my wife reminds me of a chuahua sometimes! She is very sweet to me, but it seems like she is very territorial and aggressive towards strangers 🤔
and there are karaokes, massage shops, and similar 'dual use' shops that are primarily Thai customers.
The falang centers are more for seeking a well off husbands, or sponsor BFs until one becomes a husband.
Some comments about being pushed into 'sex slavery' is ludicrous, especially when it's with the falang centers. Re the parents sending their girls out to work bar... While I have little first hand direct knowledge, I suspect that the older sisters, aunties, connected family friends, play a bigger part in and are more apt to suggest working bar to village girls/younger sisters. That of course is so they can send money home to their parents, and doesn't directly implicate the parent(s) in 'that' sort of work.
Yes - i am planning a video on this and Sai Lai too which is exclusively Thai and many ways students fund their education
.. my wifes Mum did..
I've heard the ladies say to their parents that they still work in a factory outside BKK
some of these girls when they come back from pattaya have drug alcohol and emotional problems. when you speak to them those been in the industry they become hardened and like ice cold completely unemotional and robotic. Which the impacts their future relationships and they have trust issues. That would be an interesting vlog for a future video on the impacts of working in the industry on future life. Even some girls go back to the village they miss their friends they miss the nightlife they miss the party as there is very little to do and get bored. So some go back into the cauldron not just because of the money but as there is nothing to do in the village and process repeats
Most people stories or commemts are based on there experiences and nothing more but everyone's experiences are diffrent
I had a friend work as a soi 6 bar manager he told me some mamasans or whatever they are called send a mini bus to pick up the new recruits a couple of times in the year
Might add these girls are 15 years old most of them.
Ryan, not only girls but guys, too. I know many.
Yea i started saying "children" and at 4:49 say sons, but then moved onto respond to the commenter who specified daughters. I also know many so its a good point to mention Andy, cheers!
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Spot on Ryan. Half parents know as runs in family. Other half chose ignore as long as the money keeps coming.
I was in Pattaya in the early nineties with my ex wife her father was an oil worker in rayong. We spent many a night in Pattaya I didn’t indulge I was married and it wasn’t for me. But when I watch videos like this I wonder what happened to those girls all these years later not all of them land a rich westerner.
Pertinent points made to other channels are often deleted as they may contradict the narrative--so just don't visit them again! This is a reasonable site.
I don’t delete the comments because they make for good rebuttal material 😁
Anybody who said that every girl in Pattaya was sent by their parents would be talking silly, in fact such a person would be cannon fodder for you with your counter arguments, as their position would be so easy to debunk. However, the reality is that the vast majority of Isan parents would suspect and even tacitly approve but they just would not openly talk about it. In most cases, the daughter saves face all around by saying they are a cashier, working in a salon, working in a restaurant etc. As long as they send money back to support the family, educate the younger brother, build a house etc. nobody back in the village is going to hold an inquest to establish where that money comes from. Yes, for most Western families in the same situation, there would be a huge scandal, tears, dramas, finger pointing etc. but Thais are just not like that. The daughter's standing is not determined by how she got the money, but how much money she has got. You are making the mistake most compassionate Westerners make by assuming that Thais look at the world the same way we would and have the same values. Well, they absolutely do not and by taking your position, it is almost as if you think you have to go in denial about what's happening for some reason.
My main point is it is a “vast majority” of only around 1-3% of parents - the focus is less on if they know or don’t and more on the presupposition that Thai isan farmers send their daughters as a rule when the statistics debunk this completely 👍
@@thenakedguru I've been going to Thailand for over 20 years and living in Thailand for 10, and I have never heard one person say that Thai farmers send their daughters in 100% of cases, that argument is ridiculous. It almost seems like a strawman argument, but even if somebody said that then they would be a complete fool and not worth debating. However, the people in the village and the family in most cases know what's going on, they are not stupid. In Thailand it just does not have the same stigma that we in the West attach to it. I know you are a nice guy but it seems that you are judging things only by Western standards and do not fully understand the situation in Isan. The reality of the situation seems strange or immoral to Westerners, and for this reason you feel you are doing the right thing by looking at the situation through rose-tinted glasses. Just because we see something as wrong, we can't assume it is wrong in other cultures, therefore you don't need to defend it. Thais wouldn't even waste time talking about it.
You are projecting all that, i have conceded the cases in which they know and some in which they don't.
I have conceded it is more than i first imagined, but the point is the population we are discussing is very very small
i am responding to the original comment that said this is what Isan parents do as a rule.
@@thenakedguru Well, not sure why you would waste time providing an analysis to debunk a comment that is clearly ludicrous, but like all your content this video is very interesting to watch. I maintain that in the vast majority of cases the parents know, and that is probably where we differ.
My general rule is i make a video if i have seen 3 similar comments or more on a matter, this one came up more than that and so what seems to me and you like basic streetwise and common knowledge is clearly lacking. Moreso i feel i played down the number last time and this follow up was to somewhat put this straight. I actually think we agree but you took from this video that I think Thais see this as immoral behaviour, or than im defending them, I am only defending the isan farmers that have nothing to do with this trade and making the point of the population size we are dealing with. Sex is a commodity in Thailand, the only difference is they are no repressing it like the west.
In my opinion parents don't want to loose face and will reply with ignorance.
This could be true for the 1-3% that are in this predicament for sure 👍🙏
This I do know: Almost always, dire poverty (family members actually going hungry, etc) and s(x exploitation (including prostitution) go hand in hand. Even simple poverty (not going hungry, but barely making it, or one pay check away from falling off cliff) and prostitution go hand and hand too.
Very interesting , a lot of people seem to get their feathers fluffed, when they disagree with the way certain cultures function , I say that it's none of their concern , all kinds of people live all kinds of ways ,all around the world , there is nothing new about it , sitting on a high horse , dosnt mean we get a better view 🤔
For those who cannot believe the parents don't know, you must realise many of these parents have never travelled far from their district. They have absolutely no idea what Pattaya & Bangkok are like, or what occurs there. They are simple innocent people. A big city is as close to reality to them as going to the moon. The largest thing most have seen is perhaps a Central shopping mall in the nearest town.
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Stay eternal, brother.
You too my friend 👍
My ex father in law asked me if the girls are still as nice today as when he was in SIAM 1947
Thank you for another great informative video. It's so very easy for others to judge and condemn these poor girls and sometimes young men who work in the flesh trade but without the MALE punters, there would be no sex trade to attract them to for easy money. Maybe if I had been born into that level of poverty I might have had to do that as well... There for the grace of God go I.
One thing I dislike the most about western culture is the judgemental righteous nature in the need to always be right... we were raised to always be right and defend ourselves that way instinctually. I try to be wrong less rather than always be right. Thais intentionally avoid shaming others. The wonderful Thai culture is practiced in avoiding the loss of face and in my opinion that includes avoiding making people feel lesser than or not being good enough. I would much rather embrace a culture that accepts everyone in their own way as opposed to expecting everyone to be held to a different or higher standard and if you dont meet that expectation then you are not worthy. I wonder why so many young people in the west are so defensive while lacking any understanding of vulnerability. Many reading this wont even get it...thats the point. What other people think does not mean jack shit to me. What I think of me is what really matters, that is what is most important. Be better, dont worry or judge others based on how or what you might expect the standard to be. Set your own metric, don't set your metric based on others expectations of success. We are all different and thats the beauty of life. If all flowers looked and smelled the same then they wouldn't be worth smelling, it is boring when you can predict the expected outcome. Be you, be different, be happy.🙏
Good point
You are telling people not to be judgemental and yet you have judged and condemned the entire Western culture by proudly proclaiming how much you dislike it.
Case in point. I said " one of the things I dislike the most". There is a reason I left the west behind and you have once again substantiated why. I don't judge you, I don't judge because I am right and need you to believe in my message. I don't care what you think...I feel this way and that is my choice. Good luck to you in your effort to always be right. See ya.
Notice the handle? State of fear? Sorry about that.
@@chrissmall1246 Well, I am not sure what that has to do with anything but from your post I can tell you are a wonderful non-judgemental person who dislikes the entire Western world, so I give you a round of applause 👏👏👏
I wonder how often there's a quiet discussion at home about how tight money is and 'if only the little lassie could earn some money from the farangs to help mum and dad so they don't have to work so hard and they've always worked so much to bring up the little lassie and her siblings' no pressure but please help the family!!
You mean people in poverty discussing how they might eat, yes i imagine there are..
@@thenakedguruNot just the poor. I worked at a Thai university years ago and alot of students were engaged in this activity just so they could buy the newest iphone or other luxury brands like hangbags. They weren't doing it because they were starving but instead were chasing status.
I will discuss Sai Lai in another video - the main question here is are Thai parents in Isan sending them into sex work, the answer is no except a very small percentage - the commenter above mentions a family where money is "tight"
@@thenakedguru This was a common discussion in the late 90s and early 2000s. I had a thai friend who was a social worker back then and dealt alot with women in the Thai prisons. She also dealt with hundreds of these type of girls from isaan over the years. When I asked her about this situation she said that in most not some of the cases the girls were either directly or indirectly pressured to go into this type of work by their parents, often the mothers. She also said the parents always knew what the girls were up to but turned a blind eye to save face. It was not just to support the parents but also the brothers. Who were often spoiled. But due to the shame and saving face culture in Thailand it will be next to impossible to get an accurate picture of this.
Ime very lucky i have a great lady .. just a village lady dont think thay should be judged thay have to live to
having been lucky enough to spend sometime in rural surin, i would tend to believe its much closer to 50/50 about parents and family knowing about what type of work there siblings daughters etc do in pattaya, yes i believe 99% will tell there parents that they work hotel or bar cashier or only service girl, and the parents choose to believe this for many reasons, and not force an issue that does not need forced, but the sex industry in pattaya is changing it was a way out of isaan for a girl years back to find a western man to care for them, but this is becoming rarer and purely money driven now in my opinion, sometimes ignorance is bliss and avoids confrontation, as to girls working in pattaya i would probably put the number of isaan girls in pattaya to be over 75% and all ages not just pretty 23 year old go go dancers but many ladies/girls much older working many different style bars selling sex, i have a thai partner now and still go to places like pattaya as i have many friends there and will go to see them and enjoy the beer and atmosphere, so can sit and talk to the girls purely as a customer who is in there bar to drink beer, and not any extra services so to speak, it cuts out the game playing trying to catch a customer for the evening as we can both relax without trying to impress or solicit each other and truth and honest conversation often follows, they do not want there family to know what they do as it carries stigma and is not socialbly accepted, but tolerated as a means to earn money, and bring there lifestyles up,
a small thai family will see there land shared out amongst children as each generation dies out and grows so a once large farm capable of supporting a family on its rice yield will now be shared amongst 3 or 4 brother and sisters, perhaps 1 0r 2 will move to the city and gain employment there but the farm will still not be enough to support each once land is shared out and this has happened and is happening each generation and land will move from person to person but once sold is very difficult to regain for a farmer, so any money sent home will be received with gratitude and without question (why kill the golden goose), and in my opinion this burden is carried much much more by a daughter than a son, prostitution has and will always be present in most society how we perceive or react to it is up to each individual, but i believe that a very mall percentage of thai girls are forced into prostitution by family members but thousands are by economics and lure of making money, hope this makes sense and it really is mine field of problems and solutions and western thinking and thai thinking can be very different on the same subject, there is no doubt that sex trafficing and abuse is abhorent but the flip side is the billions of baht that has filtered into isaan. i don't have any answers, but i do have confidence in thai people to manage what happens in thailand, sorry if i went on a bit cheers