HUGE Crash for Newgarden / Answering the Detroit Question
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
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IndyCar has a shocking driver on pole, Josef Newgarden has a big hit at Road America and tying a bow on the chaotic Detroit Grand Prix Weekend. Agustín Canapino
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Indianapolis to Road America would be better for tv.
Indianapolis and then another oval.. Keep the momentum going 👍
@@PtakJackYes, the Milwaukee mile just as had been done for many years.
Any track after Indy 500 is better than Detroit. Laguna, Road America, Mid-Ohio you name it. I don't like that outside of Barber (I don't count the fake Indy GP roval or the rich race for no points at Thermal) Road America is the 2nd proper road course race so far this season. Maybe its a clue if everyone is leaving Detroit after school is out then Detroit isn't the place to be. Ohh the Chevy factor, I forgot.
I’m glad that Newgarden is okay.
I'm ok with a race in Detroit (much prefer Belle Isle) but can we please bring IndyCar back to Michigan International Speedway!?
You're not wrong, for sure. BUT...NASCAR owns MIS and has been very offish about IndyCar being on 'their' tracks. It would be nice, but, sadly, unrealistic to hope for a return.
@@avantigpracingdevelopmet6467 Agree but that is totally ridiculous. Most big ovals are NASCAR owned. Indy should definitely not be the only oval on the schedule bad enough it's the only superspeedway. Wish they could come to some agreement with NASCAR to have their tracks on the schedule.
@@avantigpracingdevelopmet6467 yet indycar raced at Texas for years and they race at Iowa now both nascar tracks
@@naparacingfan9275 completely ridiculous, for sure.
@@avantigpracingdevelopmet6467All IndyCar fans need to totally boycott Nascar.
If only there was a track in Michigan where there was a pit and a paddock and places for fans that didn't affect local business and traffic....AND IS AN OVAL
Why does it have to be constantly repeated that MIS has zero interest in hosting Indycar, and GM has no interest in moving the race from Detroit?
The people who don't grasp MIS is owned by NASCAR and they don't want these guys back seem to grow every day.
I hate this track. I would rather they went to Milwaukee but Detroit after Indy seems to be the necessity of Michganders from Detroit and environs not wanting to be in the city on weekends come summer
@@marklittle8805 Milwaukee can't even sell 30K tickets and you want that to follow the 500? Lmao, zero chance.
@@mmonkeyman1403 and yet every race fan from the Midwest decrys the street tracks and demands another oval. So genius. How many paying customers watched that mess in Detroit? Milwaukee once upon a time drew large crowds. Gateway I suspect is not drawing more than 40k at best but somehow that event works. How big is the crowd in Iowa? 40k?
They can't go to Michigan, ISC won't play ball and 40k there will look like no one showed up. Just like Texas has had less than 30k.
My point is this: once upon a time Milwaukee was the first race after Indy and it drew. Figure out why they are not going there and promote the hell out of it.
Let's face it, Detroit on the track they have now is just a mess with half the race under yellow. I would rather they not run Detroit at all but GM insists. Not sure why...
@@mmonkeyman1403 because intentionally avoiding a mutually beneficial situation and a chance to make money together is really stupid, from a business viewpoint.
Somewhere Katherine Legge is smirking, saying "been there, done that." in her charming Surrey accent
The downtown Detroit race looks awful on TV. Nothing but concrete barriers and advertising signs on fences. And the TV coverage barely showed renaissance center or the river. That race could have been in downtown Gary, IN or a warehouse district in Little Rock, AR and no one would have known the difference.
Yes, very Formula E.
Instead of Detroit they should absolutely go to Montreal. IndyCars on The Circuit Gilles Villeneuve would hands down be my dream IndyCar race.
But the Cops might say it's canceled if they get a little rain 😮
If they were to race at MIS, Texas, Chicagoland, Pocono, or Kentucky after the 500, two of those five would likely provide very similar racing, and the other three have provided some of the closest finishes in the history of the league. A street race, especially one on a track layout like that one, will never do so.
Kentucky with the current configuration sucks
The Detroit layout sucks, and as I've said before it looks like they're racing through a prison yard.
Lol😂
Facts
Prison yards have skyscrapers and parking garages? Stoplights and sidewalks?
It is the presentation that IndyCar tries to get away with. They put up old junky fencing and concrete barriers. Why not cover the barriers with advertising?
Gotta say David, your content is really going to the next level this year. Loved the analysis of the press conference 👍🏻
Happy for Linus! Always satisfying to see him smiling! Go Linus! Glad Newgarden is ok.
replace Detroit with MIS and that will help the ratings issues
Aside from the MIS owners not wanting to have Indycar race there, which should put the argument to bed, when CART was going there around 2000 Michigan Speedway wasn't able to get close to half capacity. Likewise, one of the reasons for unification nearly a decade later was that Champcar had the races that people actually attended, while IRL had the TV contract but was stacked with ovals with about 10-15k fans littering the stands. What evidence is there that open wheel cars on ovals, where the speeds don't translate at all on TV, are the answer besides a few people wanting it? The closest race to me in the middle of the US is 800 miles away. Maybe Indycar should try branching out beyond being a series that is practically as regional to the northern Mid-west as Nascar is to the South.
MIS is owned by NASCAR and they do not want them to race there.
Re: D'troit:...................1.6 miles sucks ... AND it looks like they are racing around the federal prison--------------it's a long way from Monaco or Long Beach ...
I just don't like racing down concrete elevator shafts ... puke ....
Really glad to see Newgarden get out of that car ... that was HUGE ...
Scott Dixon earlier this week said that the reason why they don't go on the MIS oval is because of the lack of fan attendance at the track. MIS provides awesome racing but if no one shows up it's hard for IndyCar to justify being there.
Super glad for Chadwick as well!
Another crazy part about the F1 tie is the time is an exact time 1:12.000
As a Michigander:
- I-375 is being 'de-highwayed' into a street-level boulevard. So if Indy in Detroit persists the design will almost necessarily have to change depending on MDOT's plans.
- Pretty insightful answer regarding going up north. On any given weekend probably half of the corporate types are up north here, so I can see that being a non-starter from a sponsorship perspective.
Also for people who may not be of Michigan or the Upper Midwest: By 'up north' they mean the execs want to skedaddle to their cabins in Alpena or the UP.
The 375 plan... I understand the thinking but I still think it's goofy. The 'at least' part of the answer refers to this being a plan for the whole like 8 years I've lived here.
I love the buildup to the Indy 500. I wonder if the series could create another series of events like the month of may. Perhaps a residency at Pocono starting with a circuit race at pocono (Roval, Temporary chicanes, etc.) that leads into the Pocono 500. I wonder if there is another venue that could host something similar to the month of may?
@@3338MAN i would love to hear more about that!! That honestly sounds like a wonderful alternative reality story
Detroit was the worst race since that Champcar Las Vegas race.
No. You are forgetting the desert race for millionaires. 😂
@@joelbrooks3198yeah but that was an exhibition race. Agree that race was awful, but for a points paying race, the event in Detroit was for sure the worst IndyCar race in many many years.
At Caesar's?
Bring MIS back. Perfect race after the 500
No media questions about paving the Detroit track? I really think that would make the drivers happier about being there. Listening to Hinch and Rossi’s podcast Rossi said it is downright painful going over those bumps and they dreaded it every lap.
That crash was YUUUGE! I saw that crash and I said, "wow, what a huge crash".
Come on.. who doesn't wanna see 250 MPH at the two mile high banked MIS speedway. HELL YA BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
The common fans do. But the big money corporate people don’t care. They come to walk pit lane and drink in an executive suite. The disconnect from us to them is very glaring with the Detroit comments.
We don't talk enough about how good the IR18 is for safety. IndyCar may need a new chassis but let's hope the new chassis builds on the safety record of the IR18. Also anyone complaining about the Aeroscreen can sit down.
Yes, let's all applaud the safety of the Indycar One-Design Series. Great stuff. However, we can also regret not having racing between different car designs anymore. Couldn't there be some way to have tough safety standards and still allow different manufacturers to compete. In the 1960's thru 1990's we had Lotus, Lola, March, Reynard, Eagle, McLaren, Penske, etc. I know all the current teams work very hard to prep their identical Dallara's (with their virtually identical engines) and the drivers are brave and skillful ... but it is supposed to to be AUTO racing, isn't it?
@@michaeldelaney7271 A lot of those manufacturers went away due to their own incompetence sadly. Look at Dallara’s track record throughout Motorsports and compare it to all the manufacturers that went away. There’s nothing prohibiting another chassis manufacturer coming in, it’s just none of them have tried it.
@@ryanfraley7113 Actually, Indycar has a contract with Dallara to be the exclusive supplier of cars for their One-Design formula. NO other manufacturers are permitted. Also, the gearboxes are spec parts and the engines are required by the rules to be virtually identical. I wish Indycar would call their cars Formula Indy or Formula Identical, so people would realize they are all the same One-Design car. Dallara's record is so good in Indycar because they are the only chassis in use.
Thankfully both f1 and INDYCAR has been very good in both series the field is so tight this makes me happy to watch both
Are the Detroit race directors comparing downtown Detroit to Monaco? Lol
Crowded, random bars and casinos, on the water...
What's the difference besides the elitist, snooty attitudes?
Indycar should go back to Michigan International Speedway!
Marcus Armstrong was flying, might have been his pole there
Any IndyCar race scheduled for the same slot as the Canadian Grand Prix is a viewership weiteoff.
600k watching Detroit might not be a good thing considering that nearly half the laps were run under yellow, i.e. it probably didn't make a good impression to anyone who watched it hoping for racing similar to the 500 as they probably won't come back.
people sleep on Lundqvist he wasn't my favourite eather before indycar,but im just realising hes crazy good
The safety aspects of these Indy cars always amaze me. I know it's not 100% safe, but it is close. I guess I'm trying to give appreciation to those who implement or focus on safety of the driver/spectators and make it possible for the driver to walk away from a terrible crash with just minor to no injury. I'm glad they got the cockpit set-up where the driver sits below the roof making it less likely for the drivers head to hit the concrete when car flips upside down.
Detroit is gonna face the same challenges as Nashville… once the city prioritizes something bigger/better, they’ll be force to choose between Michigan Speedway or leaving the entire market.
7:15 i had the same reaction 😂
about the canapino case, brazillian media speculated that possibly JHR staff tried to force Canapino to release to do something about his fans, he didn't wanted to do it, things got really heated and everyone decided that he shouldn't drive this weekend
A few things in response to your Indycar interest concerns.
I think IndyCar has really done a poor job of scheduling and this week is the perfect example. They've got Formula 1 an hour before in Canada which is a really good track to begin with and it'll be even more exciting with rain. Then you've got Nascar at the same time at Sonoma. I don't even really watch Nascar anymore but Sonoma is such a good track I'd like to watch that. Road America is one of the best on the schedule yet it's being overshadowed by other races.
Excellent podcast, as usual. I’ve come to expect an interesting and informative video every time!
How about going to MILWAUKEE after Indianapolis???
Potential. Potentiality means the same and is not actually a word!
At a certain point you have to ask more of the drivers to not slam into each other.
Indycar will continue to be a 2nd tier series until they make changes. It was a lot more popular 20-30 years ago when they had more than 1 or 2 ovals on the schedule. Apparently penske just wants to milk what he's got and make no changes until he dies.
I appreciate all your IndyCar content David, thank you! So, what is IndyCar's selling point? The Indianapolis 500 and its thrilling passing and close competition where nearly everyone can pass anyone. You know what other track would produce EXACTLY that type of racing? Pocono! Yes, it is a dangerous track, just like Indy. Have patience for a 500 mile race - the last few races there had overly aggressive driving and driver mistakes in the opening laps. A key factor is that ISC views IndyCar as a competitor, and shows it by trying to take the Long Beach GP, and will never let IndyCar runs at Michigan or any other ISC oval - I guess Iowa, but as soon as IndyCar produces a good event at Gateway and Iowa, then NASCAR comes in to take it over. With only 1 NASCAR weekend, Pocono could be viable. The WEC is the most interesting racing in the world right now and I will be at COTA in the fall to see them. What does the WEC sell? Le Mans! Everything about that series is about Le Mans and the other races support that historic event, and emphasize the connection. The calls for IndyCar to have a strong series where other races are as important as the 500 has been tried before - CART in 1979 and then after the split. IndyCar is nothing without the 500 so capitalize on it instead of trying to marginalize it. The "show" at Detroit and other street races are events, but they produce a bad product. If you are a new viewer and watched the 500 and then watched Detroit, you would regard it as a completely different and worse sport. Sell your product's competitive advantage! What is your reaction to this?
David can you explicitly deny that Canapino has driven his last race for Juncos
Fantastic for Linus, really gutted for Armstrong. The pole was his if that crash hadn't happened. As it stands, he still has a really good chance to win tomorrow.
I feel awful for Romain, and all of the other Juncos team members. The team is on the up and up, but now their technical alliance is shot, and there are suddenly tons of questions. They don’t deserve this
I'm okay with some chaos. Crashes can be fun and yellows mix up strategy, but I really hate sitting under yellow and waiting for the race to restart, just for there to be another yellow immediately after.
SAFER barrier most likely prevented a rapid unplanned disassembly like Katherine's car. That was exactly my thought when I saw it. Between his accident and the Road to Indy accidents last weekend, there was a lot of torn up race cars.
David i figured when you teased covering another series this weekend at the end of Detroit that you would be coming to us from Montreal this weekend.
Kentucky at night. Not in a hot August afternoon
That was a big hit for JN, glad he’s cleared to race. Weather could be crucial tomorrow
I don't wanna knock IndyCar or anyone for that matter. But when you have as many caution laps as green flag laps.....There's a problem
Saturday night at IRP, start of may then the 500 and then milwaukee
Every day, I watch your videos and I have to subscribe every single video what gives with the UA-cam gods?
Again, most here demanding Indycar go to Michigan Speedway are not asking the most important question. Does MIS want Indycar? I mean they raced there for decades until 2007. You cant just show up to a track because someone wants it. There has to be mutual interest and MIS is clearly not interested.
Glad I already bought my Linus Lundqvist jersey this year. Unreal!!! I'll be styling tomorrow.
The Detroit comments are telling. They are not worried about the common fan one bit. Why would we want more fans we don’t have room for them? Are you kidding me? So we only want the corporate people here is what I’m hearing. Great way to grow a series! 🙄It’s so frustrating being an INDYCAR fan.
Does the pace car get points when it leads the most laps in a race? :)
The series is good, its not all doom and gloom. Alot of series around are going through this, fans think that their series that they support is going down the gutter. Well, indycar is doing just fine, the races are always fun, even detroit, it was ridiculous but it only happens once a year so why not? Just enjoy the fun races, stop worrying about what the new fans are gonna think and just be happy that the competition is tight with tense racing. Smile...
If Indycar wants a good show, they should put IOWA AT NIGHT the week after the 500.
I think maybe give Detroit another year to try to find good proffesional racing. Not sure why they ever left Belle Isle (might've been citizens complaining) but we need to go back there. Such better racing.
He hit a wall at what speed?
the angle of impact was so slight it was a minor hit. whats the uproar about...
I miss tms at indycar 😢
It’s tough to follow up the Indy 500 with anything other than another high speed oval. Bring back Michigan or Pocono.
Pikes Peak please.
As for the border crossing, you got to keep the Canadians out lol.
Because the division produced by the split his never been healed properly. IndyCar is not compelling bunch of mumbo-jumbo that exists in stock car racing, which isn’t even really stock car racing any longer. Viva Santino for his brash Dale Earnhardt’s personality. If he starts winning, I think you’ll see a lot of people attracted to in the car again
Did Detroit race go back to Belle Isle. Milwaukee should be moved back to the weekend at Indy
From a health and safety perspective the pit lane is significantly safer than a standard lane. The track does desperately needs some work but what should be a simple fix, the city will make it difficult, not by choice but because of red tape. Frustrating
Bring Indy to Kalamazoo lmfao
Fourth?
Every time a Driver dies they stop running at that track. Except Indy 500.
I was going crazy while watching qualifying on Peacock. They (really one guy) kept talking about how the outside of the rain tires were gone after a lap. No. It’s an optical illusion. I thought the same was possible until they showed used rain tired. The entire outside half was not gone. It’s still there, but the tire rotating made it seem that way on TV. That’s fine for me. However, for “experts” to think half the tire was gone after a lap is just ridiculous. You showed us a used tire. Grooves still there. Stop saying incorrect information after you’ve shown the public a used tire. A producer should have gotten in his ear and said “hey, that’s an optical illusion so the entire tread is still there.” Alas, never happened.
Perhaps you should explain this optical illusion and why it appeared on our TV screens that way?
Or just trust you, bro?
2nd!
If they’re so concerned about restrictions and limitations to build another random street course that nobody cares, then go to an oval.
We have way too many circuits anyway
2:56 …so he’s out for the year isn’t he?
He’s out for the weekend and that is definite as of now, the rest of the races beyond tomorrow is TBD, so stay tuned for the announcement in the not so distant future.
I felt like most of the crashes were caused by careless drivers trying to make passes that they should not have made. It to me had very little to do with the track itself, but some disagree. Tensions seemed a bit high after the 1st few cautions and I feel that created even more chaos even more so than the track itself. Last year they raced on this track with the same layout and there were not as many crashes and many praised the race. Belle Isle was a beautiful track, but it made for a very boring race.
I’d like to give the finger to Roger’s cable 0 coverage of long beach and Michigan nothing nada zip
Please comment on the horrible TV direction during your recap. The broadcast made this race feel like Monaco! The last half of the race you were just following the parade of the top 3 cars, while there were passes galore everywhere else on the track. Come on man!
Third?
Detroit was pants, the layout is crap, way too short, it makes the sport look ridiculous, it needs to go to an oval even a short oval would make sense after indy, Detroit needs a rethink. That said a road America or Laguna Seca would sit a lot better.
Canapino have done himself very little favour and Juncos can't afford sponsorship cancelling.
Newgarden made a small but significant error hitting the kerb on entry.
Replace detroit with Road Atlanta
Man Detroit sucked no matter how much Indycar tries to gaslight. Good thing I stopped expecting them to do anything that fans would actually enjoy so I don't worry about it.
Forget Detroit and come back to Cleveland Burk Lake airport
You think Michigan races like Indy? Lol. Those two tracks are nothing alike.
Wow I'm really first
Im 2nd
@@RC.41 he is
@@RACINGUS95He was first. My apologies.
Question: Why doesn't Indycar have power steering for their large, heavy, powerful racers? Dallara builds identical chassis for all Indycar teams, so it would seem like they could add power steering fairly easily. The Dallara-Ferrari's (aka HAAS's) in Formula 1 have it, so it isn't new tech to the company. Of course, it's understood that "cheapness" is the co-equal number one priority, with safety, for Indycar.
Bro I love this Detroit layout. It feels like rock island or Elkhart, it’s a raw genuine street track.
I don’t want to hear all the excuses for such a stupid race track, go somewhere else and race on a track that makes sense. It’s like a parent making excuses for a brat kid.
Blowing spoilers for F1 ISNT COOL.
I watched several different style cars run Detroit, they all sucked , the track blows , period
Just drop this circuit. It looks bad. It drives bad. It is bad for the series on every level.
PLEASE GO BACK TO POCONO, INDYCAR! AND DO A MUCH BETTER JOB TO PROMOTE YOURSELVES THERE TOO!!!
No
Karma catching up to Newgarten.
Yeah he hit that illegal push to pass and lost traction😂
🤨
You should never be allowed to have a public opinion again.
@david328ci 😒🙄
@@toddt5562 it’s not that funny anymore because it’s an old dead joke from March/April and it’s June 8th and even if you don’t like him just be thankful that he got out of the car under his own power okay.
I cant stand your criticism of Detroit. Comes with zero experience of the last 26 years. What you should report is maybe the zero mobile adaptability of the very site of indycar!
WOMP WOMP
@@corduroycal Womp? Not 3?
@@blankpage555 😢😢😢😢😢
@blankpage555 stop forcing your virtue signalling onto motorsports.
'zero mobile adaptability'? what word salad is this?
U.S. 500 the week after indy. let em rack back up and try it again. redemption. repetition. reunification. us 500
Nascar won't allow them to race at mis, which = no us 500 renewal