Graphene Coatings Longevity Test - 25 WAY - UPDATE 21 - Can Owners Pride Spotless save any of them?
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- A bonus to the DECON of the 25 way test - lets check it out and see if we can bring these back from the dead!
OWNERS PRIDE (places I've seen where you can get it:)
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eBay I've seen a few for sale, but I don't see one specific distributor that has it.
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SDS/What's In them:
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Hood Prep/Setup:
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Application:
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Late Addition (preproduction sample B)
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9) EELHOE 12H/10H+ V2 Pro Graphene Hydrocoat rb.gy/rdzfav
10) Xtreme Solutions Graphene Ceramic Coating 877askxtreme.c...
11) Xtreme Solutions XTREME Graphene Ceramic Spray 877askxtreme.c...
12) Drive Auto Appearance Victory Nano Graphene Coating driveinhidefin...
13) Drive Auto Appearance Victory Nano Coating driveinhidefin...
14) SPS Graphene (PROFESSIONAL ONLY) surfaceprotect...
15) Glassparency Graphene Coating glassparency.c...
16) Glassparency Graphene Spray Coating glassparency.c...
17) IGL Kenzo Graphene Reinforced (PROFESSIONAL ONLY) iglcoatingsusa...
18) IGL Kenzo “Standard” (PROFESSIONAL ONLY) iglcoatings.co...
19) IGL “EZ” Graphene Coating amzn.to/3d3Ke3M
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23) FORETOO 10H Graphene Spray Coating amzn.to/3rSfrv0
24) PREPRODUCTION “A”
25) PREPRODUCTION “B”
26) Gloss It Graphene (Preproduction)
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I'll pose this question to you guys: If this adds hydrophobic properties, then why is it not making everything on the test hood hydrophobic again?
It does not add extra hydrofobic - it easly see on test hood. Some products are more hydrofobic some less.
Good point, if the others just had junk in the pores of the coating, then the rest would've come back as well. The others coatings that didn't come back just chemically failed.
Not sure if you noticed but your control section to the left of the hood started becoming more hydrophobic as you used it. My guess would be that certain ceramic coatings that are failed react more readily with whatever type of additive they have in OP Spotless. Some other products block the OP Spotless additive from adhering to the surface.
@@yftinthyn007 That's normal - control panel has the same mineral deposits. When you remove it paint will have natural (low) hydrofobic effect.
My guess is the hood, like behind the wheels, endures more dirt and debris spray while driving. Try testing 1/2 the trunk lid and see if it works better there. Alternatively, maybe the sun wears the coatings too, as it does most everything else.
This is what u was always preaching in your videos. You have to use a good water spot remover to fully decon coatings every 6 months or so because coatings get clogged really bad and look like they’re dead. So glad someone sent you this.
Carpro descale and spotless 2.0 are my new favorite for decon on coatings that are looking weak. Did the wife's Hyundai that has had CSL on it for two years. Behaves like the first week I did it. Incredible results without having to Clay.
Wow what great information!
Thankful for this video. Reason I went with the Adam’s, which I’ve never been an Adams guy. Hope you are doing well Scott.
very cool, much appreciated video. I hope the other guys take notice
Thanks, as always, Scott. Have missed you.
Thank you! Happy to be back! Been a crazy few months!
Super interesting video today! Great testing and fantastic information given! Learn every time from you. Great job. Happy Holidays!
Thanks Dan, and thanks Scott! This was super interesting. It makes me wanna see up close what is going on with the coating and what is sticking in the coating. Like a macro lens or some type of microscope. Is the coating clogged or is it something else? It would be cool to get those kind of close-up shots with the other coatings tests. Especially the multi-layer hood, which is a great candidate for another OP test in the future.
Here’s an idea Scott: take a panel, use a wheel acid on the paint, compound it, decon it, use wheel acid again. Dry the paint. Spray and wipe in OP Spotless like a spray wax (apply it dry). Check for hydrophobics. I am certain this product has some sort of silicone in it.
Are you serious?
@@havingtoomuchfun4806 100%
As it gets warmer, I let OP Spotless dwell 15-30 seconds and always in the shade.
I have been in the detailing game for 23 years now and have used countless products, for ceramics I have settled with Owners Pride for 1 simple reason, they have a federally compliant warranty. Everything else is just a bonus, the products work, customer service is amazing. If I run into an issue I can call the company founder and he answers the phone. The support network amongst the detailers is the best I have seen, the list is endless. They also offer a $100 referral as account credit for new referrals that join, so if you are considering joining the OP Team please use me as a reference. They also offer a full line of detaing products, OP Compound is a game changer. It is a compound and polish that is pad dependent, it will finish out even the softest, most finicky of paints without marring if paired with the correct pad, 1 product start to finish for a paint correction.
Owners Pride, by detailers for detailers.
Going to order some of this now ! Convinced. Thank you !
Thanks Scott. Going to give it a shot. Nothing to lose. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
This is a big reason why I love being an Owner's Pride installer. Their products just work with no marketing gimmicks, their coatings are almost effortless to install, and the compliant warranty for my clients is piece of mind for them and myself.
Truly curious - why has it become difficult to buy online lately for the end user? It used to be easy to buy in several places....don't see this spotless available anywhere except directly from them.
@@ScottHD I am a Canadian Installer and have always ordered through my rep so I don't know why they left Amazon or if they plan to expand their distribution at all. It definitely would make it easier for people to try out their products. If you were ever interested in checking any out, I would highly recommend spiffy, their interior cleaner. I've never been happy with APCs and other interior products and mostly use their ecowash rinseless wash and steam, but spiffy has shocked me with what it has been able to cut through.
Would like to see comparisons for which other products that can revive coatings. Great video as always! Keep it going!
If you are so convinced it has something in it, adding hydrophobic properties, then please explain why the true coatings came back while most of the spray coatings did not. If it had something in it adding hydrophobic properties, then everything, including the control portion would be beading or sheeting water. Your theory is easily disproven by simply watching the video again.
@@urbanedgeautodetailing every coating has a different chemical makeup. Likely the polymers in OP Spotless are stickier to those specific coatings in a spray and rinse application method. I guarantee you if you use OP Spotless like a spray wax it will leave polymers behind on any of those surfaces.
The entire product itself is extremely suspicious because every effective water spot removers have some very strong acids. Even your home Limeaway and CLR use sulfuric acid. There’s no acidic warning on their label or SDS?? Weird.
The solution is also milky which is a very strong indicator that it has a polymer dispersion in there.
My guess is they know water spot removers degrade coatings so they added a little bit of protection in there to boost the beading while also removing water spots.
Hey Scott. Can we get a 4 month follow-up? Any new insight on whether this was a restoration of the coating or an addition of hydrophobic properties to it?
I'll work on it! Sorry I haven't done much this month...been swamped with work!
Hey no worries at all! We get it.
As ususal - mineral deposits killed hydrofobic. And it's nice to see that this OP products does not contain any extra ingredients that give extra hydrofobic (some of WSR have it). Adams coat looks like new after decon
LOVE OP Spotless! I use mainly OP coatings for all customers because it literally is the easiest coating I have ever applied and they have a logged warranty. Also use Undrdog Pro, Mckees graphene, and CSL sometimes as well.
Spotless definitely doesn't have any protection in it, I've used it so many times to maintain coatings and always works awesome.
OP Spotless followed with their ceramic detailer is such a strong combo
Scott your videos and dedication are life savers for me and my business. I truly don’t believe you are appreciated enough.
My coating is definitely clogged from the road salt. What other products can you recommend that are a little more economical?
Really interesting! I had good luck using Adam’s strip wash on my CeramicPro coated Mazda. Definitely improved hydrophobic properties on the doors
It's brings back some of the hydrophobic, but wonder how much longer it will bring the coat back...another longevity test in the future??
If this product does not have some extra ingredients that provides extra hydrofobic effect all of the ceramics will have some hydro. Here you can see that some are extremely hydrofobic (admas) and some not.
@@wypolerowany-kosmetykasamo1015 agreed
@scotthd Try maintaining the coatings with a water spot remover or the stuff you used here, aswell as an iron remover to fully decon the the coating every 6 months. Also try to maintian them with a shampoo like carpro reset to really bring back the hydrophobic properties every end of the month. Do note that reset is a coating intensive shampoo and may somewhat strip other wax based products or sealants.
You need to apply more and sit longer. A single application is all you need. I will easily use a 20 to 30oz per vehicle, as it's safe for all surfaces but fabric. On painted surfaces, apply liberally, dwell for 5 to 10 minutes if shaded and cool, take a clean towel or mitt and agitate. Then rinse. Water neutralizes the close to pH neutral product. On glass, I will use a white scotchbrite pad and it will clean up well. There isn't any protection in this product. But it will unclog any surface enough to all it to be hydrophobic. Then reapply a lsp. Spotless is a great product.
Very interesting! Would be worthwhile to see how the Professional products respond to this mineral removal technique.
They should respond similarly.
Kenzo is a professional product
I purchased koch chemi fse recently for this same reason... too cold to try it here in Chicagoland lately
I think if people are concerned with any added protection in this then using something like CarPro Descale as a maintenance wash would be a good alternative. Its mildly acidic so that would help break down minerals
Check the "25 way" final test and revival attempt posted about 3-4 weeks ago. Tried Carpro Reset, descale, and others. Some helped some didn't.
@@ScottHD Just watched the 25 way final video per your recommendation. Im surprised that descale didn't really do a whole lot, I figured since it may be just acidic enough it would bring some better results. I've used it before and it didn't take anything away from my older coating.
Have you found any information regarding whether the OP waterspot remover has added protection? I know you mentioned the Accord remained hydrophobic after a couple weeks since application. Any more info would be appreciated
Merry Christmas Scott!
Are you positive that this product is not leaving behind some sort of hydrophobicity itself? I'd be curious what things look like if applied to a freshly prepped panel.
Not 100% positive, however I have since washed the Accord (2 weeks later) and it still appeared to be "restored" as it did in the video here. (It did get rained on during that time too)
Ethos told me on my video of one of their shampoos they have no affiliation with B&B which I find suspicious
I have similar experience with Waterspot remover from Gtechniq. But to my surprise when I use a shampoo right after the Waterspot remover, the coating "clogs" again, sometimes even more than before the Waterspot remover.... I'm yet to find out if the spot remover is causing some fake hydro, that the shampoo eventually kills, and as the surface is now super clean, there's no hydrophobic properties left.... Or if the combination of a shampoo right after the spot remover causes a deteoriation from the coating itself... Maybe the spot remover makes it "soft" and the shampoo ends up being to harsh on it, therefore killing it.
Wow… the coatings are still there, so some coating do not necessarily last longer but have the property to repel minerals better…
So I tried this stuff on a prepped vehicle clay, iron decon and polish and it sheeted water like it should and then used this after discovering it did nothing for water spot remover and it made the panel hydrophobic. So try this on a panel like that and tell me this isn’t a spray and rinse protection product.
I wonder if just using iron decon would yield similar results?
Polishing is not a guarantee to remove water spots and minerals and if it became hydrophobic after, there was probably still minerals present deeper in the clear than what you removed. This should be used as part of your prep process and done before polishing. It's a mild acid and not going to remove really bad water spots... You may need a wheel acid for that.
@@Archangel552 You should use both to properly decontaminate and restore a coating. An iron remover won't remove minerals and vice versa.
Wow. After Adams came back like new, I'm curious if that 6 year long marketing is actually true with some maintenance.
OK help me out here and be nice about it. If you coat your vehicle and it requires you to add a booster to bring it back, why not just use a good spray wax? Wouldn't it be cheaper and essentially do the same thing? With less time spent?
You would basically be putting it on a contaminated vehicle covering up the problem instead of fixing it, and the booster probably won't last as long. This is an essential step in decontamination a coating like using an iron remover, most people either don't know or don't talk about it. You will want to use a booster that works with coatings as well, not any spray wax will work.
@Platinum Mobile Detailing I'm talking about taking all the proper steps of decontamination and preparation. Then applying the wax or coating of your choice. I just see all these coatings that require boosters and I just don't see the point of paying all that money for a coating that requires a yearly booster when a good wax would do the same thing, much cheaper.
@@benca6151 Not all coatings require a topper and it's important to read the warranty fine print before hand. Most coatings form a new, harder, sacrificial layer that is better designed to withstand more abuse. Anything that is a spray and wipe will not provide the same level of protection from something like bird droppings as an example. A topper is just as easy to apply as a spray wax if you wanted to maintain yourself.
@@platinum.mobile.detail OK. Thanks. It's starting to make sense now. Now I'm off to look for a coating that doesn't require a topper
This isn’t a booster, this product is a cleaner. It’s effectively looking to reset its microscopic surface profile to as close to as it was when it was originally applied.
If you were to boost a dirty surface, you’d just be sealing in contamination.
A acid wheel Cleaner will have the same effect 👍👍😊
Oh yea
Did you happen to try REVIVIFY CERAMIC PRO ("Self-healing) ?
Wouldn't applying a ceramic/graphene detail spray produce the exact same results .
We can't really conclude that the product un-failed the coatings. It merely added a hydrophobic topper to the coatings. I'm not convinced of anything.
It's not adding, it's only removing the minerals and bringing back the protection that is already there. That's why some products never came back on the test hood.
@@platinum.mobile.detail I’d suggest using spotless like a spray wax. It will leave hydrophobics behind.
If that were true, all the panels on the test hood would be pretty hydrophobic. Some were not at all especially the spray coatings.
I wonder if some diluted Megs D140 would do the same thing.
Appy to freshly polished and decontamination panel. What are the results and how long does any protection last?
I used 303 cv top treatment it made my CV top so stiff it bent the mechanism ! ruined my Saab roof the jerks refused to pay for damages
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Would you not use this or at least an acid based shampoo every 2 months, rather than as an 'after the fact' restorative test? You can visually see the water spotting on half the products you call failed.. rinsing the panel in direct sun will not help either.
Wonder if other water spot removers do the same?
Sounds like potential for a comparison 🙂
@@ScottHD You would think a water spot remover might actually remove or weaken a coating, but not in this case - crazy
Steam cleaning can also remove mild mineral deposits. Could it also revive old coatings?
I wonder if that would work with any water spot remover or even vinegar. The question is: is there something that makes the surface hydrophobic in the product, or is it just the effect of removing mineral contamination? Very cool to see regardless. Will it last though?
I’ve used it and I don’t think there is anything hydrophobic in it. But it does smell a little like vinegar. Experimenting with that or other things would certainly be worthwhile. I now suspect that wheel acid may be too harsh on an aging coating while this being less aggressive will work. But I also question whether or not the coating would hold up much longer w/o toppers.
@@tommyholt3465 My wife said it smells like pickles :) I don't think it has anything hydrophobic in it, but I'm going to play with it some more.
There is nothing in the product that gives any hydrophobic properties. For that, I use Owners Pride Ceramic+ as a drying aid, then top it with OP Ceramic Detailer. I know how a lot of people feel about toppers, but to get the most out of your coating, it is recommended to follow the manufacturers maintenance routine.
@@ScottHD an easy way to tell is to leave out a cup of this stuff to dry. If there is protection the residues will be oily.
@@ScottHD I live in Sweden and hade ”hard water” with lot lime in the water (is it the right words for it?). In winter they use some sort of salt mix on the roads and all this effects the coatings on the cars.
I have used a mix of car schampoo and vinegar essence that I let sit on the car and it often get characteristics of the ceramic back. I use 24% vinegar essence.
50/50 schampoo/vinegar essence and double distilled water. I want it to be pretty thick so I sits longer on the car and let i sit for 5-15 min depending on time of year, how warm it is and so on.
Can you please try it and tell us what you think of it?
I sometimes think the build up like salt causes a layer that effects the cermic and water behavior.
Any acid based water spot remover will do this.
What about carpro Descale?
Has the Accord Sport been a good car for her?
Absoutely! Needed a rear wheel bearing at 90k miles and a starter at 120k miles - otherwise just regular oil changes, plugs, and fluids.
@@ScottHD thats awesome. Cant ask for much better than that. I always liked that model Accord Sport