MLF changed his scheme bc of Jacobs. Play action is what we saw last season and MLF basically took it away from offence for Jacobs. MLF should have figured out how to marry the two, but he didn't so he is responsible for a lot of this. Three play action in the Eagles game? Seriously??? That was our bread and butter last season and he took it away!! He better get this fixed on offense in the off season. He hurt Love's game and it hurt the WR's who couldn't seem to get as open. Injuries to Love did play into it at the beginning, but he should have taken it more seriously. Help your QB to develop not change everything for your running back. Smh
The biggest concern for me is how inaccurate he is. He seems to just launch balls, hoping that the receiver makes a play. He got away with it quite a lot last season, but this year he’s getting intercepted all over the place.
@@anthonyr587 don’t expect him to get more accurate he’s around a 62-64% completion guy, saw it three years in college and two years in the nfl. unless he works on his footwork and mechanics heavily in the offseason I wouldn’t expect much
@@cartifan911 I don’t. I think accuracy is the hardest thing to improve. We jumped the gun on paying him as much as we did, I said that at the time that the sample size was not big enough to justify this. And this was my worst fear, you paying a bunch of money and then you realize you’re stuck with a big contract for the foreseeable future. Maybe we can mold him into Goff, mostly short passes and a very good run game lol
I’m significantly more concerned about MLF. I suspect Love’s troubles are directly connected to MLF lack of leadership and adaptation through the year.
I think that is crazy talk. The execution was the issue all season long . to lay blame down in season 2 of a rebuild is stupid. This team thought it was much farther along than it was and reality happened. The story of this Packers team is still the future to come not the now. This team did not lose because of bad plays . This team lost because of players not playing up to the level they will play too. Young teams like the Packers overachieved last year which set up unreal expectations. The Packers need a few tweeks to be a 17 -0 team in 2024 . The Packers losses were close and competitive and to take anything away from 2024 other than young players having young player issues is too much. LaFleur is a historically good coach and play caller. He has shown over and over again inventive offensive adaptations that are unique and exciting to watch when the players execute them as designed. The Packers are fine. The defensive rebuild is now 1 season under the books and everything about what they showed as well as the draft picks of the 2024 draft looked to be a solid win with a lot of positive vibes for the future. Rebuilds take many seasons to build the team that actually wins a championship. The Packers have all the pieces and coaching to be champions and the team now must grow into that which they were brought here to do. That is a multi season proposition that probably pays off over the next three seasons as this group gets NFL level experience.
He needs to give up play calling he isn’t a genius he’s not good against good teams because Lafluer game planning is not good. Aaron said that about him too that’s why he adlibbed plays during games because Lafluer would call crap plays
My main concerns is that he does not seem to see the field the best, his long bombs seem to mostly be chuck it and fuck it throws, and the short passes that should be freebies are either too high or in the dirt.
Remember, Jordan is only a 2nd year starter, I believe he will get better. Also, we led the league in drops. I believe he’ll improve with more experience. All good things take time. Staying healthy will help also. Maybe pick up a veteran receiver and keeping Musgrave healthy. Kraft had a good season, adding Musgrave will be a positive. Keep the faith! Go Pack Go!
Thanks for adding context to this. This receiver room dropped so many passes and slipped on so many routes that caused turnovers. No one stepped up when it mattered most consistently. Jordan needs to clean up his fundamentals but he needs consistency around him. Kraft, our new #1 receiver, reed and Jacobs should be our main focus. Can’t wait to see Lloyd in this offense as well. If Matt can find an impactful role for Musgrave we could be early unstoppable as well.
Pure glazing. His decision making is terrible when playing from behind and his accuracy has gone down. He hasn't played good versus good teams this year and he is getting paid over 50 million dollars a year. He sat 3 years under Aaron Rodgers and is getting paid like an elite QB so the expectations are much higher than an actual year 2 player.
You don’t pay guys for what they have done in the past, you pay them for what they are going to do. The packers think Love will be a top tier qb and paid him accordingly. If you THINK you have a guy, pay him. It looks a lot at the start but the market will always rise and the contract won’t look as bad in a couple of years
@kashitumbapura6691 How about you pay me before I fix your car? It may cost you a lot, but I promise I'll do a high quality job. If not, I'll still keep the money. Because you thought I'd fix it.
What did you want them to do instead? They got Love at cap hits that are never higher than 10th highest paid QB in the league for the next few years. I bet the packers don’t care one bit unless Love is a bottom 15 QB every year.
Am I ever glad you're seeing this closer to reality. He's still proving who he is, perfect timing for him regarding his contract. I still want to see what Willis has. In camp we will. I hope you didn't just say you'd rather have Love than Josh Allen.
Rodgers was one and done in his 2nd Season like Jordan Love. Difference? Rodger’s also had 440 yds and 5 tds in that Playoff game. With a Passer Rating of 121. Best debut in Playoff debut History. Had absolutely 0 Defense that year but Rodgers was absolutely insane and couldn't wait for Year 3. J Love was the complete opposite with 200 yds, 3 Ints, 0 Tds, and a Passer Rating in the 40s. Dear God please don’t compare those 2 QBs anymore. Completely different tiers of talent
@@Haduj56 Rodgers had 0 running game as well and Love had the BEST one since 2003. I watched the game again and Rodgers was just sensational. His speed was also something special as well back then. Love doesn't have close to the running abilities I've come to accept as well. Which is fine. We were never going to have 3 straight HOF Qbs but I guess it was fun to dream lol
@ if love had seasoned pass catchers, we could’ve saw a better game from him. 2 of his ints came from bad routes ran by the WRs, also in the 4th down 6, we just sustained too many injuries vs that caliber of defense. The run game was non existent in this game until jacobs ripped that 30 yarder. Clearly Rodgers is more talented but we can’t deny that he had better weapons around him early in his career. Also love doesn’t need to be a HOF QB for us to win, the defense was good enough but our offense just became too stagnant, due to some poor oline play, poor WR play, poor game plan, poor execution by love as well. He’s only in year 2 and this is literally year 2 of a total rebuild. Arod was not throwing to primarily 2-3 year pass catchers, I think next season, barring injuries, we will see a better tailored game plan for this offense. Remember year one of Jordan love, the offense was supposed to be run heavy with Dillion and jones and love wasn’t supposed to carry the offense the way he did. I think if Matt can fine a good medium of what the run game was this season couple with the play calling from 2023 in the passing game, with hopes of our WR room growing and getting better, our team will be even better. Mind you, the packers on offense and defense we’re still a top 10 team so I think next season we can be true contenders
I genuinely don’t remember who said it, but I remember one of the ESPN analysts, maybe Skip Bayless (can’t stand him but even a broken clock is right twice a day) saying something last season about one of the excuses the packers had for doing as well as they did last year was the fact that no one really had a lot of Film on Love. This is why the average to even slightly above average QBs will seemingly always have the “sophomore slump.” We can say whatever we want about mentoring under people like Rodgers and such, but anyone who has worked literally any job in their life knows that the only way you get better at your job is by doing said job, and despite love being in the league for 5 years now? He still only finished his second year as a starter. It sucks that we had to take a gamble on him and pay him so much money, but hopefully he’ll pan out. The guys who make WAYYYY more money than any of us seemed to think it was fit to give him the bag, so I think it’s something we just have to trust and ride out. Love also seems like more of a pocket passer like Jared Goff or Sam Darnold. I think he’s *slightly* more mobile than either of them, but not by a whole lot. Losing Jenkins against the eagles was maybe a bigger blow than either Doubs or Reed, but when you lose your #1 the week before then lose your #2 and #3 and arguably your best Offensive lineman, it’s a bad scenario. They say “defense wins championships” and the defense played admirably, but they’ve been immature/sloppy all year with the boneheaded personal fouls and such and that will kill any team. Coach insinuated after the game that they need some veterans and more maturity and I couldn’t agree more. This team has a lot of talent, but they have very little discipline and kick themselves constantly with dumb play after dumb play. I will also echo the others in the comments saying we absolutely need a #1 receiver. We don’t need a Justin Jefferson or Tee Higgins even, but just someone who’s been around the block. I hate to say it because he’s been hurt a lot, but maybe even someone like Keenan Allen, who will probably be let go from the bears, just to come in and mentor the guys for a year? Lastly, I am not going to do my bears fan impression and blame the refs, but that “fumble” to start the game was absolutely egregious and definitely shifted the momentum widely in the Eagles’ favor
Richard Sherman did a recent critique on the Packers and Love after the loss. He said JL had 3 years of being tutored by the best and after two years on his own, he has not impressed many when playing polished teams. He ticked-off all the excuses and said Love is not "one of the guys".
Sophomore slump. He needs more play action calls cuz the wrs arent getting open enough. He wasnt great but he could easily be alot better. Im not ready to give up on hin yet
If that's what Richard Sherman said, he's just repeating what we all already know. AR made it clear when JL arrived to GB that he wasn't going to tutor/mentor him; the exact same thing BF said when AR arrived to GB. At this point, I only want GB to move on from BF, AR and even JL if necessary in order to win a SB.
@@Labby17Funny you say that because he had the fastest recorded in-game pass in NFL history this season with his TD strike to Kraft against the Texans. He made a lot of bullet passes this season actually. His arm strength and talent is one of the biggest things scouts liked about him coming out of college. You can argue accuracy needs to be improved, but all the physical ability is there
@@matthewwells2017 That is true but he throws bunch wobblers and funky passes his timing needs to get better that pass he threw to Kraft he actually had his feet set and delivered the ball with great speed.
There’s 3 things that I feel really hindered his QB play. 1) Jordan struggles heavily when he tries to play through injuries. Some guys can play a whole season with a fractured back and some guys can’t. Unfortunately, Jordan can’t. 2) because of his injuries Josh had to become the backbone of the offense, so that took the load off Jordan having to throw. 3) the receivers amount of drops. Most of the time they just dropped the ball for no reason seemingly. I don’t think Jordan really regressed. Jordan was just injured and passed less. The stretch after the first bears game, he stopped throwing picks entirely until the wild card game. I think Jordan will be a lot better next season when he’s fully healthy
@@coreycarter7323I watched every single packers game this season and last. He didn’t regress. He was injured and the run game took up a bigger role in the offense.
no way am i concerned about Jordan love. The season was uneven.He got hurt the first game of the year, and then they brought him back too early against Detroit. In an awful rainstorm and matt, seemed like he kinda changed the offense to more of a run first team.The receivers did not get open like the previous year honestly, it was to be expected from a group of very young players, and they still made the playoffs. Teams are going to study you during the offseason. This is the biggest season coming up. 2025 was always my target year for the packers. To make a serious run at a championship. We have 60 million in cap space. Some draft picks a couple of free agent pickups, and we're right where we want to be Matt. Gets a b minus, also the quarterback 1 #Gets a b minus
Im not sure matt is gonna work out, either matt or jordan love in my opibuon will need to go, i am a huge love fan but something was super off this year for sure. It would make sense to me if jordan love got surgery or something in the offseason or something big like that. It would also make sense and be an aha momebt if the guys ended up telling the media that lafleur or staff lost the boys due to rushing them back during injury or some sort of thing like thwt. Or just lafleur or love or both of them lost the support of the other boys
@@miketyson1717wow. Insanity. With tis run game now, why isnt there more playaction passes. Its either run or shotgun passes, made no sense. I blame the playcaller, who isnt love or matt.
@@miketyson1717 Matt did a few things last season which really bugged me in terms of his management, but we mostly let it slide because of the Cowboys win. this season he hasn’t won a single game against a top team and has been outcoached throughout. To me it’s obvious where the ceiling is and you’re not gonna win anything with this guy. people keep touting his winning percentage as some sort of defense, but when you have a Hall of Fame quarterback in a stable franchise, then you’re always going to get wins. What’s his record against playoff caliber teams in his career? Not very good.
I'm not too worried about Jordan love either. Aaron Rodgers never did anything like Jordan love. What I mean by is when Aaron Rodgers started his rookie year as a packer he didn't go to the playoffs in his first year or second year. But Jordan love did. When we look at the status of Aaron Rodgers first rookie year and the second rookie year and compare it to Jordan love's first rookie year and second rookie year. There are some status of Jordan Love's has a little bit more status than Aaron Rodgers on certain things but Aaron Rodgers status has a little more better status for Jordan love. I pray that the owner of the Packers will get a good wide receiver because we need more of them because Romeo Dobbs I believe he can be really good but I'm concerning about his two concussions. The other wide receivers like Christian Watson he's getting injured all the time because he is tall and slender and tall people like that gets injured a lot. Wiiks he needs to do better. I'm just very surprised against the eagles game because our defense did a+ job but are offense did a F-job. I don't put 100% onJordan love of him losing the game I believe it's 50% of Jordan love and the other 50% is the wide receivers and Matt lefort calling not good calls.
@NickOtis0707 i think Matt has finally seen the light from what I heard. Look for the tight ends to be more involved next year. You got 2 big athletic tightends. Matt has to revamp this offense. The passing game is better when you're under. Center more, and you have a running game, not in the shotgun.That's just from my perspective. No matter what analytics say, the good thing is we have plenty of cap. Room, we just gotta make good decisions and not miss on our draft picks. We know what our weaknesses are, plus add at least three free agents who can play, and we should be good. we should know by the halfway point. Next year, if jordan Love is really the guy, I expect a big year from love, and plus, we had two talented rookies who basically red shirted this year, the running back and the offensive lineman
2nd year starting. Bothered by injuries for like half of the season. No WR #1 Countless team injuries New players offensively Playing in the best division Questionable play calling He definitely must improve. But we have to ensure we don’t put him in this same situation again.
May I just remind u that from that first injury, eveytime i called for more rest, all the "internet dr" here kept using his contract and other claims to rush him back.
If you haven't figured it out by now QB play is directly correlated to offensive line play. Rodgers always had good lines with depth. However, I think Love does need to run more. He needs to make the man teams pay for playing that against him. The QB runs just kills defenses like Philly.
We became a run heavy offense I get Josh jacobs is good but we didn’t even give Jordan love a fair chance. last year we passed the ball a lot ur going to be inconsistent if u run the ball the hole game we were better last year because Matt lafluer was more creative last year. his game plan going into this year was to run the ball more than anyone in the NFL
Matts playcalling or whoever it was calling offense this year was brutal... no playaction. When u run that well u need nearly every pass to be playaction Enough with the bullshit shotgun and going 40 yards deep on 3rd or 4th and 2. Did it soooo many times. Thats mental
He seemed like a completely different player in that game against the Cowboys. Great attitude, the whole team was pumped up, they knew they were going to win that game. I saw none of that last week.
Tenth rated QB in the league. Love should be doing nothing but washing his teammates jock straps. Screw the stats they are meaningless. His game at Dallas last year. He sucked. The man had Kraft wide open by 20 yards and Kraft had to cut off his route and come back to just catch the ball. People Love sucks. I would rather have Justin Fields them this loser.
I think Love is an above average QB, not an elite one. He's got the elite arm talent to make any throw but his fundamentals, QB mechanics, and decision making are not good imo. He's not much of a runner either. Hoping he can get better but he had the same problems in college, it might just be who he is at this point, he's been in the NFL for 5 years now and just got a huge contract, I'm done with excuses. He makes a lot of bad decisions and doesn't take what the defenses give him. He needs to stop playing hero ball and take his check downs. Hoping he turns it around but I honestly don't think he will get much better.
Well said Luke. I have concerns also cuz I have seen J Love miss wide open receivers severeal times during the season--either with a poor throw or not seeing the field properly. He also seems a little too cool and calm to me which is concerning.
Love is garbage. Let’s not sugarcoat it. He never earned his huge contract and that falls totally on the front office. He lacks leadership skills,passion and he throws tons of ducks. Favre threw a lot of interceptions during his time with the Packers, but he was always emotionally in the games. Love looks tuned out and unbothered on the sideline and that impacts the offense. I don’t see him improving in the future. I’d rather see Malik Willis start. He was far more successful than Love when he officially started.
Dude that’s what the coaches do after every single game is watch tape of the game and they still can’t teach him. Some guys have the gift some don’t , im afraid he doesn’t 😞
I think the injuries with the receivers and his injuries has affected him in a big way. I think he needs another season under his belt before he reaches that level that were expecting from him honestly. I've been saying this most of the season the drops are very annoying the receivers need to work on proper technique with catching the ball, you're making your quarterback's job harder that's a reason of Jordan love struggles is that the drops and also inaccurate throws at times but the receivers have to catch the ball. That's the only reason I'm saying we might want to look for better receivers that are strong and that could catch the ball. Wix I don't know about him man he drops the ball a lot we need somebody that is more reliable. You're right about Romeo he is good, Christian keeps getting hurt so I don't know he's injury prone honestly even though I like how he plays is not good if you get hurt all the time, and Jayden Reed needs to be consistent with catching the ball he's played good but theres time he drops the ball and Tucker Kraft has been my favorite he's been red hot
He's NOT Farvr and not fair to compare him.. Honestly I really wouldn't even be trying to count their second game vs Lions considering that they were missing like 55% of their players.. it was more of a flex on the Lions part and a statement basically saying "even when we're at our weakest you're still nowhere on our level"..
Jordan love a amazing Qb he still growing he will stop his interactions he a top 10 Quarterback he will be great in 2025 seasons when football season starts again
Bottom line is, Love is our QB for the next three years or so, so label him what you want. He’ll either get better at decisions and mechanics or he won’t. His injuries may or may not have been a big factor this year. We’ll soon find out, but remember, he was just about the best QB in football the second half of last year. He does need more help at receiver, either a true #1 or else a speed guy (like Watson) who can occupy a safety. Looked like a promising group to start this year, but none of them really progressed and now Watson and Doubs are big question marks.
i agree with what u are thinking, my take on jordan and this team this year was tbh matt LaFleur was a bottom avg coach this year i felt he was not smart in big games and was sloppy
It’s crazy because Aaron Rodger’s came in a great situation , had Greg Jennings, James jones, Jordy Nelson , Donald driver, Randall cobb, / Jordan love situation Christian Watson, Jayden reed, Romeo doubs, Bo melton , Malik heath , dontavion wicks / yall tell me who came in a better situation
@ but you gotta look at this Rodger’s last season with the packers didn’t go to the playoffs and had half of the same wide receiver core that Jlove got / and Jlove took them to the playoffs
@@GUAP1DDGet your facts right. Cobb didn't come to GB until way later. Also Jordy and James Jones had done absolutely 0. Didn't know anything about the 2 until Rodgers unlocked them. Driver was the guy and Greg Jennings had a 900 yd season. But was only his 3rd season when Rodgers took over
It seems to me, that our "expectations" has to be matched with due matriculations. Not every QB comes out the box perfect because there are many factors that can add to, or distract from their success; hence, a team effort. Keep in mind, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahommes and Brady aren't the cookie cutters that new QBs are forged from, but rather each has their own skillsets and times to develop maturity. I have a question to consider: name another QB that came after TWO Hall of Famers? And, might I add, was also added to a team with the youngest roster in the league? Further, remember that Jordan 's two years were also Lefleur's first two without ARod. I believe in time; we will all sing the praises of #10! GPG!
I still say Jordan Love is an over rated QB. He should be at his best in every game. Miss throws, intercepts, can't run when pressured, over throws. He should not even let his team mates down for his poor performances. I say again, he is over rated. 2025 is going to be worse for him because his ego his in his way. I would rather see a QB like Willis leading the team.
I agree, seems way to casual, shows no emotion and acts like he doesn’t care. Too many 50/50 balls. Should be better at this point, 3 years under Rodgers and two years as a starter. Don’t know yet if he is the guy.
Love led this team to back to back playoff appearances with the youngest roster in the NFL and injuries at key offensive positions didn't help Love will be fine
I do wonder if he will ever trust the system and stop trying to play hero ball. He threw a ton of picks in college and now he is doing the same in the pros. I'd like to see Green Bay use more play action and run the offence from under center.
I think the early season injuries threw him off for the balance of the season. I'll give him another season to pass judgment. However, I think coach needs to call better plays.
You’ve got multiple issues here. The injuries were a factor. The MCL sprain in particular. He played one series in the preseason. Then in the opener he gets injured missing the next two games. By the time he plays that first game back against Minnesota he looks like a guy who’s missed a lot of time. Secondly, with the exception of Tucker Kraft, none of the receivers took a real jump to be the guy. Romeo Dobbs was suspended and then hurt. Jayden Reed was average. Tay Wicks was disappointing. Christian Watson seems to always be hurt. And they all had significant drops. I don’t see Gutekunst trading for Davante. And I would prefer Tee Higgins anyway. Lastly, I think Matt LaFleur’s play calling especially in the first half of games was too conservative. I get it. You want to run the ball. But Love is at his best when he’s out there throwing the ball all over the field and he’s got the defensive on its heels. I think we’re close and I have confidence Gutekunst will figure it out. I know it was a disappointing end to the season. But consider Dallas and San Francisco last year’s playoff opponents. They didn’t even make the playoffs and have far more serious issues going forward…..
6 2023 Week 1 - Chicago Week 3 - Saints Thanksgiving - Detroit Week 13 - Chiefs Week 17 - Minnesota Wild Card - Dallas 2024 Week 1 - Philly (Even in Loss ) Week 6 - Cardinals Week 11 - 49ers Thanksgiving - Dolphins Week 15 - Seattle Week 16 - Saints Don’t be a prisoner of the moment he’s young and undisciplined that’s it that’s all he’ll figure it out
To late now Scoop. They paid him like he was already Aaron Rodgers and it was probably a case of terrible timing his contract came up when it did. Jordan had to play well last season to get paid. He got paid and suddenly his play tailed off. Jordan has the skill but his drive as a player to me seems to be lacking. That is my issue with him . He seems to not be into football . Like he is here for the payday and doesn't seem to like it much.
Injuries explains almost everything. One doesn't get over an MCL injury in 2 weeks! Gosh, people need to understand that it can take 8+ weeks to heal an MCL, esp. when you only take 2 weeks off! It takes up to 2 months to heal a pulled groin. Again context matters esp when you have to play the QB1 position. I'm tired of the comparisons to HOF QBs. Wait until he has 3 full seasons in before we do that plz. I know you youngens who only watched Aaron Rodgers play it is maybe hard to not expect it from Jordan. But those comparisons only hurt the player's confidence and puts undue pressure on him, which can also hurt his developement. Why is it no one is this hard on those WR's that regressed compared to last year? Clearly two of those picks were due to two of our receivers either running inaccurate route depth and the other didn't fight for the ball correctly. Theres so much nuace to these critiques. I remember when everyone defended Rodgers no matter what and I would really like our fan base to start giving THIS QB1 the same support, not the constant harrassment that has been going on since his 1st start. Geesh people support your team!
The thing that made Love a threat early on was his running. This year he took sacks and threw bad balls instead of running. I think the coaches are behind this change
My honest unqualified opinion. He's good enough to make the playoff most years. Not good enough to be a Super Bowl Champ. Which as a Packer fan isn't good enough. I expect a few more years of slightly above mediocrity. There's no reason he shouldn't have improved this year. But he didn't. I wish he was more dynamic. God forbid he takes off running once in a while. But he never does.
Anybody with a brain expected a slight step back. They dont call it a sophomore slump for nothing. He is plenty good enough to win a super bowl... the wrs definitely arent and neither is the o line. 60 mill in cap space should help fix so.e problems
Daniel’s is who we want Love to be. Love’s decision making skill is suspect, his accuracy is questionable, his running ability isn’t a threat, he plays with very minimal emotion, no one is scared of Love. The receivers have to make outstanding plays way too often because of his lack of accuracy or throwing into double coverage. He needs to really really really lock in this off season.
I agree. I didn't think this past season was a step forward. JL10 is a good QB, and I think he could develop to a higher level. A little concerned with the retirement of Tom Clements. Time will tell...
I enjoyed the Godfather movies. I and II are better than III. Favre, Rodgers and Love fit the same pattern. The problem goes beyond Love. Have you noticed how many times Love is off balance when he throws the ball? This leads to a loss of accuracy and we then blame the receivers for dropped catches????? Let's not mention the interceptions and turnover / incompletes. Compare Love to that boring old guy, Tom Brady. Can you spot any differences in their techniques? Next, look at protection in the pocket. Love breaks too early and exposes himself to the rus. Imagine a team that had a practice field. Love should plan his strategy, before the game. The receivers should understand how the defense is set up. Too often , the Pack are making it up as they go along. Thrilling fight backs is no way to reach the top. The Vikings and the Lions had a good year but they looked solid. The Packers do not look solid. LeFleur needs to recognize his job in all of this. GPG.😀
Here's just a couple of the quarterbacks I believe are better than J Love colon CJ Stroud Lamar Jackson Jaden daniels, Josh allen, Patrick mahomes, Jalen hurts, Caleb williams, 10th best is not good enough to be paying somebody 50 million a year million per year sadly
All those guys have 0 rings except 1 and love has a lower cap hit then most of these qbs you named but of course you didn't know that cause y'all been wanting love to fail for the longest
Can't figure out if Packer fans are dumb, or just pretending to be? The Eagles scored 22 pts. with a set-up on opening kick-off fumble, that wasn't. Regardless, not on our D. Our secondary was great!!!... even in a Jaire-Free environment. Obviously, we (The Packers) need to put pressure on QBs. We need and Edge. Go get a #1 WR? Maybe, or create one. Packers had no rookies WRs this season. No one steeped up. Spreading the ball around sounds great, but it ain't working. Love needs to be accurate or even Jerry Rice wouldn't help.
He seemed to have lost his confidence after getting hurt. I also saw him seem to try and protect himself from further injury, and his throw/footwork seemed off. Hopefully with some work, he will get that back. Having a healthy group of receivers and tight ends will be a good thing for him. I’d like to see the game plan put more points on the board early, so Love doesn’t have to do so much in the second half.
There are a plethora of reasons his play dipped. I wouldn’t be concerned: 1. I’m not sure he was ever really healthy this year. He rarely ran. 2. The running scheme changed from an outside zone to inside slashing. Which weakened his ability to roll out. 3. The receivers weren’t schemed open and they weren’t getting separation as 23. 4 LeFleur came in with a scheme which marries the run and the pass. That wasn’t executed well and defenses caught on. Sure Jacobs got his yards. But it wasn’t married well.
I am worried about Doubs though, with all the concussions he has now. The Packers injurys are one if their biggest problems. The packers also still need help at CB and passrushing. Maybe the offensive line blocking also.
In his first two starting seasons he made the playoffs both seasons his record is almost tied with Aaron Rodgers but what's crazy is he has not had a real deep threat receiver and wants that happens he will be regarded as a top tier elite quarterback
Here is what happened. As the season went on teams started loading the box and blitzing like crazy. They started playing man to man coverage because we don’t have receivers that can get open quick. Lefleur was to busy running whirlybird bird handoffs than the passing game. When Love throws over the middle he throws off his back foot and the ball sales on him! I blame coaching more than blaming Love.
Packers have dominated the NFC North for a long time. Could this be the end? Hopefully, jlove doesn't turn into a turnover machine. Jlove is too wreckless with the ball. Just watch how defensive coordinators are playing him. They're just playing zone. They know he'll try to fit the ball into a tight window. They know he'll give them chance at a turnover. Look at the eagles game and you'll know what I'm talking about.
How do you measure a man? What's inside him when you look at him? How do you know ? I heard a story about belichek turning down a recruit because his grandparents sent him money while he was in school, and the kid took it. Belichek seemed to find the overachievers. Wes Welker, Julian Adelman, Tom Brady, the list goes on. I heard an Australian sheep herder say once that when our dog has a litter of pups, we mark the smallest one. If that dog makes it through till it is weaned, that's the one we choose and train. There's gems out there if you know what to look for.
Like I said. Clifford was sent down because he spoke up. Had nothing to do with his play. Now Kraft has spoken up. There's a problem that nobody wants to address.
It’s ok to have these expectations for Love at the beginning of the year, but let’s be honest those expectations were never really realistic. 2025 is a year for expectations, it’s year 2 as a starter and the addition of new young players also contributes to Loves development.
People need to take a deep breath. JLo has the talent to win an MVP in this league. I think they were ahead of schedule last year and this year I thought overall the team was better. Next year is the year the Packers truly make a run at a Super Bowl.
My question is, was love ever considered to be a guy that elevates the talent around him? There are very few in the NFL going into 2025, and tbh you don’t need to be one to win a championship. I think if we put better more polished pieces at WR, we will see love play more consistently. We also need to tweak our game plans to be better situationally.
What I think is elbow was bothering him even though he didn't want but let the team down so I believe he didn't want to fully be honest. Because he wanted to make his team proud. I believe that if Christian Watson didn't get hurt all the time and Romeo Dobbs not getting hurt getting that concussion the first time and other wide receivers stepping up we will probably be in the super bowl 100 % for sure. I had to leave a small second message here. I STILL BELIEVE IN JORDAN LOVE BECAUSE HE HAS A STRONG MINDSET AND YOU CAN TELL BY HIS PERSONALITY HE DOESN'T LET CERTAIN THINGS GET TO HIM.
His numbers were very similar to Mahomes this season, difference is Mahomes can get it done when it matters most. MLF has to really be in sync with Love next season
Let be honest. Packers needs a true #1 reciever.
Why? So the QB can always force the ball to the #1?
And a pass rusher
And 2 corners
And OL depth
They need a veteran wide receiver to help that room
@@mattamodeo8514 that’s what coaching is for
And a true pass rusher. A real pass rusher in their prime not no old Julius peppers type. 🧀
JLo should've been much better this season considering how great our running game was. He throws into triple coverage more than Favre did.
MLF changed his scheme bc of Jacobs. Play action is what we saw last season and MLF basically took it away from offence for Jacobs. MLF should have figured out how to marry the two, but he didn't so he is responsible for a lot of this.
Three play action in the Eagles game? Seriously??? That was our bread and butter last season and he took it away!! He better get this fixed on offense in the off season. He hurt Love's game and it hurt the WR's who couldn't seem to get as open. Injuries to Love did play into it at the beginning, but he should have taken it more seriously. Help your QB to develop not change everything for your running back. Smh
The biggest concern for me is how inaccurate he is. He seems to just launch balls, hoping that the receiver makes a play. He got away with it quite a lot last season, but this year he’s getting intercepted all over the place.
@@DMWB57 🎯
@@anthonyr587 don’t expect him to get more accurate he’s around a 62-64% completion guy, saw it three years in college and two years in the nfl. unless he works on his footwork and mechanics heavily in the offseason I wouldn’t expect much
@@cartifan911 I don’t. I think accuracy is the hardest thing to improve. We jumped the gun on paying him as much as we did, I said that at the time that the sample size was not big enough to justify this. And this was my worst fear, you paying a bunch of money and then you realize you’re stuck with a big contract for the foreseeable future. Maybe we can mold him into Goff, mostly short passes and a very good run game lol
I’m significantly more concerned about MLF. I suspect Love’s troubles are directly connected to MLF lack of leadership and adaptation through the year.
Agreed, I feel like after that bye week MLF’s playbook was for Josh Jacob’s rather than Love
I think that is crazy talk. The execution was the issue all season long . to lay blame down in season 2 of a rebuild is stupid. This team thought it was much farther along than it was and reality happened. The story of this Packers team is still the future to come not the now. This team did not lose because of bad plays . This team lost because of players not playing up to the level they will play too. Young teams like the Packers overachieved last year which set up unreal expectations. The Packers need a few tweeks to be a 17 -0 team in 2024 . The Packers losses were close and competitive and to take anything away from 2024 other than young players having young player issues is too much. LaFleur is a historically good coach and play caller. He has shown over and over again inventive offensive adaptations that are unique and exciting to watch when the players execute them as designed.
The Packers are fine. The defensive rebuild is now 1 season under the books and everything about what they showed as well as the draft picks of the 2024 draft looked to be a solid win with a lot of positive vibes for the future.
Rebuilds take many seasons to build the team that actually wins a championship. The Packers have all the pieces and coaching to be champions and the team now must grow into that which they were brought here to do. That is a multi season proposition that probably pays off over the next three seasons as this group gets NFL level experience.
He needs to give up play calling he isn’t a genius he’s not good against good teams because Lafluer game planning is not good. Aaron said that about him too that’s why he adlibbed plays during games because Lafluer would call crap plays
@@jesusoftheapes I'm going to need you to add more spaces in between your sentences. They're practically on top of each other.
MLF is a disaster----As for Love, if he hasn't learned by now.....just sayin'
My main concerns is that he does not seem to see the field the best, his long bombs seem to mostly be chuck it and fuck it throws, and the short passes that should be freebies are either too high or in the dirt.
I just think we need a consistant deep ball reciever.
@@DasInf13bro no
Remember, Jordan is only a 2nd year starter, I believe he will get better. Also, we led the league in drops. I believe he’ll improve with more experience. All good things take time. Staying healthy will help also. Maybe pick up a veteran receiver and keeping Musgrave healthy. Kraft had a good season, adding Musgrave will be a positive. Keep the faith! Go Pack Go!
Honestly musgrave isn’t a must. Kraft is greater than I could’ve imagined and I think he’s better. Would be great to have two good big guys
Thanks for adding context to this. This receiver room dropped so many passes and slipped on so many routes that caused turnovers. No one stepped up when it mattered most consistently. Jordan needs to clean up his fundamentals but he needs consistency around him. Kraft, our new #1 receiver, reed and Jacobs should be our main focus. Can’t wait to see Lloyd in this offense as well. If Matt can find an impactful role for Musgrave we could be early unstoppable as well.
Did we really lead the league in drops?
@ yes
Pure glazing. His decision making is terrible when playing from behind and his accuracy has gone down. He hasn't played good versus good teams this year and he is getting paid over 50 million dollars a year. He sat 3 years under Aaron Rodgers and is getting paid like an elite QB so the expectations are much higher than an actual year 2 player.
It seems every time they get the big money they never play as good the next year that follows, maybe this will humble him.
They had no tape last year. No one knew what to expect. This 3rd year ill decide for myself if i think hes elite or average.
Hes above average but definitely not elite. Plenty good enough to win a super bowl imo
Average
Exactly people tend to forget in sports they watch tapes i belive in love but if his great he will hopfully over come all the mistakes
Jordan Love got a 4-yr $220 Million deal. Who's is the real fool. Way too much money for an unproven product. Not smart.
He could get paid 30 mil and yall would still bitch
You don’t pay guys for what they have done in the past, you pay them for what they are going to do. The packers think Love will be a top tier qb and paid him accordingly. If you THINK you have a guy, pay him. It looks a lot at the start but the market will always rise and the contract won’t look as bad in a couple of years
@kashitumbapura6691 How about you pay me before I fix your car? It may cost you a lot, but I promise I'll do a high quality job. If not, I'll still keep the money. Because you thought I'd fix it.
What did you want them to do instead? They got Love at cap hits that are never higher than 10th highest paid QB in the league for the next few years. I bet the packers don’t care one bit unless Love is a bottom 15 QB every year.
@Matt-yq3gq Sounds like they got a real deal. Lmao!
Am I ever glad you're seeing this closer to reality. He's still proving who he is, perfect timing for him regarding his contract. I still want to see what Willis has. In camp we will. I hope you didn't just say you'd rather have Love than Josh Allen.
Josh ain't won anything
Rodgers was one and done in his 2nd Season like Jordan Love. Difference?
Rodger’s also had 440 yds and 5 tds in that Playoff game. With a Passer Rating of 121. Best debut in Playoff debut History. Had absolutely 0 Defense that year but Rodgers was absolutely insane and couldn't wait for Year 3.
J Love was the complete opposite with 200 yds, 3 Ints, 0 Tds, and a Passer Rating in the 40s.
Dear God please don’t compare those 2 QBs anymore. Completely different tiers of talent
These continual comparisons are absolutely ridiculous. They mean nothing. These homers are putting Love in the Hall of Fame already. What a joke!
Arod had a much better offense around him as well, these are two completely different QBs and Teams.
@@Haduj56 Rodgers had 0 running game as well and Love had the BEST one since 2003. I watched the game again and Rodgers was just sensational. His speed was also something special as well back then. Love doesn't have close to the running abilities I've come to accept as well. Which is fine. We were never going to have 3 straight HOF Qbs but I guess it was fun to dream lol
@ if love had seasoned pass catchers, we could’ve saw a better game from him. 2 of his ints came from bad routes ran by the WRs, also in the 4th down 6, we just sustained too many injuries vs that caliber of defense. The run game was non existent in this game until jacobs ripped that 30 yarder. Clearly Rodgers is more talented but we can’t deny that he had better weapons around him early in his career. Also love doesn’t need to be a HOF QB for us to win, the defense was good enough but our offense just became too stagnant, due to some poor oline play, poor WR play, poor game plan, poor execution by love as well. He’s only in year 2 and this is literally year 2 of a total rebuild. Arod was not throwing to primarily 2-3 year pass catchers, I think next season, barring injuries, we will see a better tailored game plan for this offense. Remember year one of Jordan love, the offense was supposed to be run heavy with Dillion and jones and love wasn’t supposed to carry the offense the way he did. I think if Matt can fine a good medium of what the run game was this season couple with the play calling from 2023 in the passing game, with hopes of our WR room growing and getting better, our team will be even better. Mind you, the packers on offense and defense we’re still a top 10 team so I think next season we can be true contenders
He always seems confused and doesn't try to run at all it's so frustrating
The receivers the Packers have now are not the problem. They are the strength if this team. I dont want Adams back, it will ruin everything.
I genuinely don’t remember who said it, but I remember one of the ESPN analysts, maybe Skip Bayless (can’t stand him but even a broken clock is right twice a day) saying something last season about one of the excuses the packers had for doing as well as they did last year was the fact that no one really had a lot of
Film on Love. This is why the average to even slightly above average QBs will seemingly always have the “sophomore slump.”
We can say whatever we want about mentoring under people like Rodgers and such, but anyone who has worked literally any job in their life knows that the only way you get better at your job is by doing said job, and despite love being in the league for 5 years now? He still only finished his second year as a starter. It sucks that we had to take a gamble on him and pay him so much money, but hopefully he’ll pan out. The guys who make WAYYYY more money than any of us seemed to think it was fit to give him the bag, so I think it’s something we just have to trust and ride out.
Love also seems like more of a pocket passer like Jared Goff or Sam Darnold. I think he’s *slightly* more mobile than either of them, but not by a whole lot.
Losing Jenkins against the eagles was maybe a bigger blow than either Doubs or Reed, but when you lose your #1 the week before then lose your #2 and #3 and arguably your best Offensive lineman, it’s a bad scenario.
They say “defense wins championships” and the defense played admirably, but they’ve been immature/sloppy all year with the boneheaded personal fouls and such and that will kill any team.
Coach insinuated after the game that they need some veterans and more maturity and I couldn’t agree more. This team has a lot of talent, but they have very little discipline and kick themselves constantly with dumb play after dumb play.
I will also echo the others in the comments saying we absolutely need a #1 receiver. We don’t need a Justin Jefferson or Tee Higgins even, but just someone who’s been around the block. I hate to say it because he’s been hurt a lot, but maybe even someone like Keenan Allen, who will probably be let go from the bears, just to come in and mentor the guys for a year?
Lastly, I am not going to do my bears fan impression and blame the refs, but that “fumble” to start the game was absolutely egregious and definitely shifted the momentum widely in the Eagles’ favor
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Richard Sherman did a recent critique on the Packers and Love after the loss. He said JL had 3 years of being tutored by the best and after two years on his own, he has not impressed many when playing polished teams. He ticked-off all the excuses and said Love is not "one of the guys".
Sophomore slump. He needs more play action calls cuz the wrs arent getting open enough. He wasnt great but he could easily be alot better. Im not ready to give up on hin yet
Tired of this guy making excuses for love. Especially if they paid him and now he decides to suck, like herbert and Trevor Lawrence
If that's what Richard Sherman said, he's just repeating what we all already know. AR made it clear when JL arrived to GB that he wasn't going to tutor/mentor him; the exact same thing BF said when AR arrived to GB. At this point, I only want GB to move on from BF, AR and even JL if necessary in order to win a SB.
@ Lawrence had a terrible team and the coach is insane.
@josalneja he did, did he? He definitely did tutor him and help as much as he could. He still does. They talk weekly
It's concerning. But most thing is his accuracy
And his footwork along with his timing he needs to release the ball faster
@@Labby17He did throw a lot of slow passes
@@mikaelhuostila4005 Exactly
@@Labby17Funny you say that because he had the fastest recorded in-game pass in NFL history this season with his TD strike to Kraft against the Texans. He made a lot of bullet passes this season actually. His arm strength and talent is one of the biggest things scouts liked about him coming out of college. You can argue accuracy needs to be improved, but all the physical ability is there
@@matthewwells2017 That is true but he throws bunch wobblers and funky passes his timing needs to get better that pass he threw to Kraft he actually had his feet set and delivered the ball with great speed.
Aaron Rodgers struggled in his first two seasons as the starter
That one Cowboys game made Love a lot of money. How much do you think he would get if this year was his contract year?
Exactly
We’ve seen flashes of brilliance but I think giving him all that money after 1/2 of a good season was premature.
GO PACK GO!
There’s 3 things that I feel really hindered his QB play. 1) Jordan struggles heavily when he tries to play through injuries. Some guys can play a whole season with a fractured back and some guys can’t. Unfortunately, Jordan can’t. 2) because of his injuries Josh had to become the backbone of the offense, so that took the load off Jordan having to throw. 3) the receivers amount of drops. Most of the time they just dropped the ball for no reason seemingly.
I don’t think Jordan really regressed. Jordan was just injured and passed less. The stretch after the first bears game, he stopped throwing picks entirely until the wild card game. I think Jordan will be a lot better next season when he’s fully healthy
Agree 100%
What's with these sticky gloves receivers are wearing, doesen't seem to do any good. Bring back stickem.
Well then you didn’t pay enough attention because whether you think it or not he regressed significantly.
@@coreycarter7323I watched every single packers game this season and last. He didn’t regress. He was injured and the run game took up a bigger role in the offense.
@coreycarter7323
Here are Jordan’s stats for the 2023 and 2024 seasons
GP: 2023 - 17/2024 - 15
CMP: 2023 - 372/2024 - 268
ATT: 2023 - 579/2024 - 425
CMP%: 2023 - 64.2%/2024 - 63.1%
YRDS: 2023 - 4,159/2024 - 3,389
TDs/INTs: 2023 - 32-11/2024 - 25-11
SCKS: 2023 - 30/2024 - 14
Passer Rating: 2023 - 96.1/2024 - 96.7
QBR: 2023 - 62.9/2024 - 69.5
Funny enough too his rating and qbr are higher than 2023’s.
And then for the run
Rushing Attempts: 2023 - 441/2024 - 526
Rushing Yards: 2023 - 1,905/2024 - 2,496
Rushing TDs: 2023 - 10/2024 - 23
no way am i concerned about Jordan love. The season was uneven.He got hurt the first game of the year, and then they brought him back too early against Detroit. In an awful rainstorm and matt, seemed like he kinda changed the offense to more of a run first team.The receivers did not get open like the previous year honestly, it was to be expected from a group of very young players, and they still made the playoffs. Teams are going to study you during the offseason. This is the biggest season coming up. 2025 was always my target year for the packers. To make a serious run at a championship. We have 60 million in cap space. Some draft picks a couple of free agent pickups, and we're right where we want to be Matt. Gets a b minus, also the quarterback 1 #Gets a b minus
Im not sure matt is gonna work out, either matt or jordan love in my opibuon will need to go, i am a huge love fan but something was super off this year for sure.
It would make sense to me if jordan love got surgery or something in the offseason or something big like that.
It would also make sense and be an aha momebt if the guys ended up telling the media that lafleur or staff lost the boys due to rushing them back during injury or some sort of thing like thwt. Or just lafleur or love or both of them lost the support of the other boys
@@miketyson1717wow. Insanity. With tis run game now, why isnt there more playaction passes. Its either run or shotgun passes, made no sense. I blame the playcaller, who isnt love or matt.
@@miketyson1717 Matt did a few things last season which really bugged me in terms of his management, but we mostly let it slide because of the Cowboys win. this season he hasn’t won a single game against a top team and has been outcoached throughout. To me it’s obvious where the ceiling is and you’re not gonna win anything with this guy. people keep touting his winning percentage as some sort of defense, but when you have a Hall of Fame quarterback in a stable franchise, then you’re always going to get wins. What’s his record against playoff caliber teams in his career? Not very good.
I'm not too worried about Jordan love either. Aaron Rodgers never did anything like Jordan love. What I mean by is when Aaron Rodgers started his rookie year as a packer he didn't go to the playoffs in his first year or second year. But Jordan love did. When we look at the status of Aaron Rodgers first rookie year and the second rookie year and compare it to Jordan love's first rookie year and second rookie year. There are some status of Jordan Love's has a little bit more status than Aaron Rodgers on certain things but Aaron Rodgers status has a little more better status for Jordan love. I pray that the owner of the Packers will get a good wide receiver because we need more of them because Romeo Dobbs I believe he can be really good but I'm concerning about his two concussions. The other wide receivers like Christian Watson he's getting injured all the time because he is tall and slender and tall people like that gets injured a lot. Wiiks he needs to do better. I'm just very surprised against the eagles game because our defense did a+ job but are offense did a F-job. I don't put 100% onJordan love of him losing the game I believe it's 50% of Jordan love and the other 50% is the wide receivers and Matt lefort calling not good calls.
@NickOtis0707 i think Matt has finally seen the light from what I heard. Look for the tight ends to be more involved next year. You got 2 big athletic tightends. Matt has to revamp this offense. The passing game is better when you're under. Center more, and you have a running game, not in the shotgun.That's just from my perspective. No matter what analytics say, the good thing is we have plenty of cap. Room, we just gotta make good decisions and not miss on our draft picks. We know what our weaknesses are, plus add at least three free agents who can play, and we should be good. we should know by the halfway point. Next year, if jordan Love is really the guy, I expect a big year from love, and plus, we had two talented rookies who basically red shirted this year, the running back and the offensive lineman
Jordan Love sucks. I refuse to candy coat this. Overrated and WAY overpaid.
Sucks? Compared to who? Objectively, NO. Overpaid? Probably, we will see though.
The stats you showed about our WR getting open screams JLOVE can't find the open man...
You seriously think he can be the BEST QB in all of Football? Put down the Homer Juice man.
He's fully stocked with Homer juice and drinks it until he gets drunk on a daily basis.
2nd year starting.
Bothered by injuries for like half of the season.
No WR #1
Countless team injuries
New players offensively
Playing in the best division
Questionable play calling
He definitely must improve. But we have to ensure we don’t put him in this same situation again.
Let’s be honest Jordan Love is overrated and overpaid .He thinks he’s a gun slinger , yes when he throws INTS .
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He was hurt all year my opinion,we didn’t get to see full potential this year
Umm Rodgers was hurt and everyone wanted him gone. Stop the excuses.
I agree, he was limited in the pocket and couldn’t really move around
May I just remind u that from that first injury, eveytime i called for more rest, all the "internet dr" here kept using his contract and other claims to rush him back.
If you haven't figured it out by now QB play is directly correlated to offensive line play. Rodgers always had good lines with depth. However, I think Love does need to run more. He needs to make the man teams pay for playing that against him. The QB runs just kills defenses like Philly.
The o line was the worst its been in a decade this past season.
That's not true though... Joe Burrow made the SB with a bottom 5 Offensive line.
@@whenthemaskfalls8591 And he's made the IR more times.
@whenthemaskfalls8591 yes it is. Burrow that season was a major exception to the rule but qb play is still always tied to o line play
We became a run heavy offense I get Josh jacobs is good but we didn’t even give Jordan love a fair chance. last year we passed the ball a lot ur going to be inconsistent if u run the ball the hole game we were better last year because Matt lafluer was more creative last year. his game plan going into this year was to run the ball more than anyone in the NFL
Matts playcalling or whoever it was calling offense this year was brutal... no playaction. When u run that well u need nearly every pass to be playaction
Enough with the bullshit shotgun and going 40 yards deep on 3rd or 4th and 2. Did it soooo many times. Thats mental
As long as things go right he is good. He appears not to be a fighter when things aren’t so good.
Yea cause him leading the team to a close comeback against Minnesota after throwing 3 int wasn't him fighting back
A lot of yall spew bs and it’s annoying
He needs to put on muscle this offseason, especially in his arms. He consistently underthrows deep balls.
He seemed like a completely different player in that game against the Cowboys. Great attitude, the whole team was pumped up, they knew they were going to win that game. I saw none of that last week.
Ball droppers kill momentum as well.
Jordan Love is not the answer!
Formula of letting a guy sit 3 yrs then give him the big contract after 1 yr backfired
I still believe malik Willis is a better quarterback than Jordan love
Tenth rated QB in the league. Love should be doing nothing but washing his teammates jock straps. Screw the stats they are meaningless. His game at Dallas last year. He sucked. The man had Kraft wide open by 20 yards and Kraft had to cut off his route and come back to just catch the ball. People Love sucks. I would rather have Justin Fields them this loser.
I think Love is an above average QB, not an elite one. He's got the elite arm talent to make any throw but his fundamentals, QB mechanics, and decision making are not good imo. He's not much of a runner either. Hoping he can get better but he had the same problems in college, it might just be who he is at this point, he's been in the NFL for 5 years now and just got a huge contract, I'm done with excuses. He makes a lot of bad decisions and doesn't take what the defenses give him. He needs to stop playing hero ball and take his check downs. Hoping he turns it around but I honestly don't think he will get much better.
Im 50/50 on him theres been flashes. He needs a true #1 reciver
Well said Luke. I have concerns also cuz I have seen J Love miss wide open receivers severeal times during the season--either with a poor throw or not seeing the field properly. He also seems a little too cool and calm to me which is concerning.
Love is garbage. Let’s not sugarcoat it. He never earned his huge contract and that falls totally on the front office. He lacks leadership skills,passion and he throws tons of ducks. Favre threw a lot of interceptions during his time with the Packers, but he was always emotionally in the games. Love looks tuned out and unbothered on the sideline and that impacts the offense. I don’t see him improving in the future. I’d rather see Malik Willis start. He was far more successful than Love when he officially started.
Definitely and being signed less than a week b4 the season started. Malik would fit this system amazingly
Not only his missed throws but his ability to read defenses is really bad.
No it isnt... its elite. His checks at the line pre play is better than 95% of other qbs. U have no clue what u are watching
Easy to say that when your looking from a tv screen
Dude that’s what the coaches do after every single game is watch tape of the game and they still can’t teach him. Some guys have the gift some don’t , im afraid he doesn’t 😞
So let me understand. Great route runners but can't catch sounds like a great receiver room if you're running track and field. Great take!!
I think the injuries with the receivers and his injuries has affected him in a big way. I think he needs another season under his belt before he reaches that level that were expecting from him honestly. I've been saying this most of the season the drops are very annoying the receivers need to work on proper technique with catching the ball, you're making your quarterback's job harder that's a reason of Jordan love struggles is that the drops and also inaccurate throws at times but the receivers have to catch the ball. That's the only reason I'm saying we might want to look for better receivers that are strong and that could catch the ball. Wix I don't know about him man he drops the ball a lot we need somebody that is more reliable. You're right about Romeo he is good, Christian keeps getting hurt so I don't know he's injury prone honestly even though I like how he plays is not good if you get hurt all the time, and Jayden Reed needs to be consistent with catching the ball he's played good but theres time he drops the ball and Tucker Kraft has been my favorite he's been red hot
What the Packers need is a offense line, he needs more protection, the Packers has receivers, if has more protection, he can be more accurate
Dude this is the second year starting it takes time
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@ConnorSecor-xi8pl so you didn't know Brett had 24 intercession his second year starting
After 3 seasons of learning from one of the best quarterbacks ever...
@@Ivan2001Anderson I agreed with him lmao
I have a gut feeling Malik Willis is really him I love jlove though but he seems not confident at times or a little confused
Me too dudes head and shoulders above where love was in his 3rd year.
@ep3389 yea bro he seems more ready like he moves like a future star with a little more coaching from Tom Clement’s and he’s good
@stayhome2110 well clements is retiring so that isn't happening
Where did you see that
@stayhome2110 just Google his name and go to news
He's NOT Farvr and not fair to compare him..
Honestly I really wouldn't even be trying to count their second game vs Lions considering that they were missing like 55% of their players.. it was more of a flex on the Lions part and a statement basically saying "even when we're at our weakest you're still nowhere on our level"..
Jordan love a amazing Qb he still growing he will stop his interactions he a top 10 Quarterback he will be great in 2025 seasons when football season starts again
Bottom line is, Love is our QB for the next three years or so, so label him what you want. He’ll either get better at decisions and mechanics or he won’t. His injuries may or may not have been a big factor this year. We’ll soon find out, but remember, he was just about the best QB in football the second half of last year. He does need more help at receiver, either a true #1 or else a speed guy (like Watson) who can occupy a safety. Looked like a promising group to start this year, but none of them really progressed and now Watson and Doubs are big question marks.
i agree with what u are thinking, my take on jordan and this team this year was tbh matt LaFleur was a bottom avg coach this year i felt he was not smart in big games and was sloppy
Jordan love is average at best.
It’s crazy because Aaron Rodger’s came in a great situation , had Greg Jennings, James jones, Jordy Nelson , Donald driver, Randall cobb, / Jordan love situation Christian Watson, Jayden reed, Romeo doubs, Bo melton , Malik heath , dontavion wicks / yall tell me who came in a better situation
Something tells me that if Love had all the guys Roger's had he'd still be underthrowing or overthrowing
@ but you gotta look at this Rodger’s last season with the packers didn’t go to the playoffs and had half of the same wide receiver core that Jlove got / and Jlove took them to the playoffs
@@GUAP1DDGet your facts right. Cobb didn't come to GB until way later. Also Jordy and James Jones had done absolutely 0. Didn't know anything about the 2 until Rodgers unlocked them. Driver was the guy and Greg Jennings had a 900 yd season. But was only his 3rd season when Rodgers took over
Jordan Love is reckless with the football.....
It seems to me, that our "expectations" has to be matched with due matriculations. Not every QB comes out the box perfect because there are many factors that can add to, or distract from their success; hence, a team effort. Keep in mind, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahommes and Brady aren't the cookie cutters that new QBs are forged from, but rather each has their own skillsets and times to develop maturity. I have a question to consider: name another QB that came after TWO Hall of Famers? And, might I add, was also added to a team with the youngest roster in the league? Further, remember that Jordan 's two years were also Lefleur's first two without ARod. I believe in time; we will all sing the praises of #10! GPG!
I still say Jordan Love is an over rated QB. He should be at his best in every game. Miss throws, intercepts, can't run when pressured, over throws. He should not even let his team mates down for his poor performances. I say again, he is over rated. 2025 is going to be worse for him because his ego his in his way. I would rather see a QB like Willis leading the team.
I agree, seems way to casual, shows no emotion and acts like he doesn’t care. Too many 50/50 balls. Should be better at this point, 3 years under Rodgers and two years as a starter. Don’t know yet if he is the guy.
I'm concerned about gm, coach and love. Not good enough, team is regressing.
Love led this team to back to back playoff appearances with the youngest roster in the NFL and injuries at key offensive positions didn't help Love will be fine
I do wonder if he will ever trust the system and stop trying to play hero ball. He threw a ton of picks in college and now he is doing the same in the pros. I'd like to see Green Bay use more play action and run the offence from under center.
I think the early season injuries threw him off for the balance of the season. I'll give him another season to pass judgment. However, I think coach needs to call better plays.
You’ve got multiple issues here. The injuries were a factor. The MCL sprain in particular. He played one series in the preseason. Then in the opener he gets injured missing the next two games. By the time he plays that first game back against Minnesota he looks like a guy who’s missed a lot of time.
Secondly, with the exception of Tucker Kraft, none of the receivers took a real jump to be the guy. Romeo Dobbs was suspended and then hurt. Jayden Reed was average. Tay Wicks was disappointing. Christian Watson seems to always be hurt. And they all had significant drops. I don’t see Gutekunst trading for Davante. And I would prefer Tee Higgins anyway.
Lastly, I think Matt LaFleur’s play calling especially in the first half of games was too conservative. I get it. You want to run the ball. But Love is at his best when he’s out there throwing the ball all over the field and he’s got the defensive on its heels.
I think we’re close and I have confidence Gutekunst will figure it out. I know it was a disappointing end to the season. But consider Dallas and San Francisco last year’s playoff opponents. They didn’t even make the playoffs and have far more serious issues going forward…..
Everyone in our WR room took a step back this season
My question is "Does he have the drive to win like Favre and Rodgers?"
NOPE!
Be honest with yourself. How many “great” games did Jordan Live play in the last two years?
Maybe 2.
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2023
Week 1 - Chicago
Week 3 - Saints
Thanksgiving - Detroit
Week 13 - Chiefs
Week 17 - Minnesota
Wild Card - Dallas
2024
Week 1 - Philly (Even in Loss )
Week 6 - Cardinals
Week 11 - 49ers
Thanksgiving - Dolphins
Week 15 - Seattle
Week 16 - Saints
Don’t be a prisoner of the moment he’s young and undisciplined that’s it that’s all he’ll figure it out
To late now Scoop. They paid him like he was already Aaron Rodgers and it was probably a case of terrible timing his contract came up when it did. Jordan had to play well last season to get paid. He got paid and suddenly his play tailed off. Jordan has the skill but his drive as a player to me seems to be lacking. That is my issue with him . He seems to not be into football . Like he is here for the payday and doesn't seem to like it much.
Love showed some paralysis by analysis this season.
I’m super excited I’m not worried at all I’m still really confident in him this whole year he was injured or mostly injured
Injuries explains almost everything. One doesn't get over an MCL injury in 2 weeks! Gosh, people need to understand that it can take 8+ weeks to heal an MCL, esp. when you only take 2 weeks off! It takes up to 2 months to heal a pulled groin. Again context matters esp when you have to play the QB1 position. I'm tired of the comparisons to HOF QBs. Wait until he has 3 full seasons in before we do that plz. I know you youngens who only watched Aaron Rodgers play it is maybe hard to not expect it from Jordan. But those comparisons only hurt the player's confidence and puts undue pressure on him, which can also hurt his developement.
Why is it no one is this hard on those WR's that regressed compared to last year? Clearly two of those picks were due to two of our receivers either running inaccurate route depth and the other didn't fight for the ball correctly.
Theres so much nuace to these critiques. I remember when everyone defended Rodgers no matter what and I would really like our fan base to start giving THIS QB1 the same support, not the constant harrassment that has been going on since his 1st start. Geesh people support your team!
The thing that made Love a threat early on was his running. This year he took sacks and threw bad balls instead of running. I think the coaches are behind this change
Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself above Jordan
I told you Clifford was the guy.
My honest unqualified opinion.
He's good enough to make the playoff most years. Not good enough to be a Super Bowl Champ. Which as a Packer fan isn't good enough. I expect a few more years of slightly above mediocrity. There's no reason he shouldn't have improved this year. But he didn't. I wish he was more dynamic. God forbid he takes off running once in a while. But he never does.
Anybody with a brain expected a slight step back. They dont call it a sophomore slump for nothing. He is plenty good enough to win a super bowl... the wrs definitely arent and neither is the o line. 60 mill in cap space should help fix so.e problems
Daniel’s is who we want Love to be.
Love’s decision making skill is suspect, his accuracy is questionable, his running ability isn’t a threat, he plays with very minimal emotion, no one is scared of Love.
The receivers have to make outstanding plays way too often because of his lack of accuracy or throwing into double coverage.
He needs to really really really lock in this off season.
I agree. I didn't think this past season was a step forward. JL10 is a good QB, and I think he could develop to a higher level. A little concerned with the retirement of Tom Clements. Time will tell...
Best QB in the league? Love is overrated, he makes bad decisions with the ball and will continue to do so
I enjoyed the Godfather movies. I and II are better than III. Favre, Rodgers and Love fit the same pattern. The problem goes beyond Love. Have you noticed how many times Love is off balance when he throws the ball? This leads to a loss of accuracy and we then blame the receivers for dropped catches????? Let's not mention the interceptions and turnover / incompletes. Compare Love to that boring old guy, Tom Brady. Can you spot any differences in their techniques? Next, look at protection in the pocket. Love breaks too early and exposes himself to the rus. Imagine a team that had a practice field. Love should plan his strategy, before the game. The receivers should understand how the defense is set up. Too often , the Pack are making it up as they go along. Thrilling fight backs is no way to reach the top. The Vikings and the Lions had a good year but they looked solid. The Packers do not look solid. LeFleur needs to recognize his job in all of this. GPG.😀
Here's just a couple of the quarterbacks I believe are better than J Love colon CJ Stroud Lamar Jackson Jaden daniels, Josh allen, Patrick mahomes, Jalen hurts, Caleb williams, 10th best is not good enough to be paying somebody 50 million a year million per year sadly
Joe cool!!
Bahahahaha caleb?? Hurts??? Clueless
All those guys have 0 rings except 1 and love has a lower cap hit then most of these qbs you named but of course you didn't know that cause y'all been wanting love to fail for the longest
Honestly, I saw more potential in Malik Willis.
Lololol. Get glasses
Can't figure out if Packer fans are dumb, or just pretending to be?
The Eagles scored 22 pts. with a set-up on opening kick-off fumble, that wasn't.
Regardless, not on our D.
Our secondary was great!!!... even in a Jaire-Free environment.
Obviously, we (The Packers) need to put pressure on QBs.
We need and Edge.
Go get a #1 WR? Maybe, or create one.
Packers had no rookies WRs this season. No one steeped up.
Spreading the ball around sounds great, but it ain't working.
Love needs to be accurate or even Jerry Rice wouldn't help.
Jaden Daniels against the Lions is what all Packers fans wished Jordan Love was but clearly isn't.
I agree, he is good and could be MVP level but he has to be consistent and deliver in crunch time.
He seemed to have lost his confidence after getting hurt. I also saw him seem to try and protect himself from further injury, and his throw/footwork seemed off. Hopefully with some work, he will get that back. Having a healthy group of receivers and tight ends will be a good thing for him. I’d like to see the game plan put more points on the board early, so Love doesn’t have to do so much in the second half.
There are a plethora of reasons his play dipped. I wouldn’t be concerned:
1. I’m not sure he was ever really healthy this year. He rarely ran.
2. The running scheme changed from an outside zone to inside slashing. Which weakened his ability to roll out.
3. The receivers weren’t schemed open and they weren’t getting separation as 23.
4 LeFleur came in with a scheme which marries the run and the pass. That wasn’t executed well and defenses caught on. Sure Jacobs got his yards. But it wasn’t married well.
This dude will never live up to expectations. Especially if you’re comparing him to the last dude.
I am worried about Doubs though, with all the concussions he has now. The Packers injurys are one if their biggest problems. The packers also still need help at CB and passrushing. Maybe the offensive line blocking also.
He will never be the best 😢
He doesnt have to be. We can still win a sb with him
In his first two starting seasons he made the playoffs both seasons his record is almost tied with Aaron Rodgers but what's crazy is he has not had a real deep threat receiver and wants that happens he will be regarded as a top tier elite quarterback
Here is what happened. As the season went on teams started loading the box and blitzing like crazy. They started playing man to man coverage because we don’t have receivers that can get open quick. Lefleur was to busy running whirlybird bird handoffs than the passing game. When Love throws over the middle he throws off his back foot and the ball sales on him! I blame coaching more than blaming Love.
Packers have dominated the NFC North for a long time. Could this be the end? Hopefully, jlove doesn't turn into a turnover machine. Jlove is too wreckless with the ball. Just watch how defensive coordinators are playing him. They're just playing zone. They know he'll try to fit the ball into a tight window. They know he'll give them chance at a turnover. Look at the eagles game and you'll know what I'm talking about.
How do you measure a man? What's inside him when you look at him? How do you know ? I heard a story about belichek turning down a recruit because his grandparents sent him money while he was in school, and the kid took it. Belichek seemed to find the overachievers. Wes Welker, Julian Adelman, Tom Brady, the list goes on. I heard an Australian sheep herder say once that when our dog has a litter of pups, we mark the smallest one. If that dog makes it through till it is weaned, that's the one we choose and train. There's gems out there if you know what to look for.
Like I said. Clifford was sent down because he spoke up. Had nothing to do with his play.
Now Kraft has spoken up. There's a problem that nobody wants to address.
It’s ok to have these expectations for Love at the beginning of the year, but let’s be honest those expectations were never really realistic. 2025 is a year for expectations, it’s year 2 as a starter and the addition of new young players also contributes to Loves development.
If you think Love should be the best qb in the league after 1 year, I think you may be getting ahead of yourself lol
People need to take a deep breath. JLo has the talent to win an MVP in this league. I think they were ahead of schedule last year and this year I thought overall the team was better. Next year is the year the Packers truly make a run at a Super Bowl.
My question is, was love ever considered to be a guy that elevates the talent around him? There are very few in the NFL going into 2025, and tbh you don’t need to be one to win a championship. I think if we put better more polished pieces at WR, we will see love play more consistently. We also need to tweak our game plans to be better situationally.
What I think is elbow was bothering him even though he didn't want but let the team down so I believe he didn't want to fully be honest. Because he wanted to make his team proud. I believe that if Christian Watson didn't get hurt all the time and Romeo Dobbs not getting hurt getting that concussion the first time and other wide receivers stepping up we will probably be in the super bowl 100 % for sure. I had to leave a small second message here. I STILL BELIEVE IN JORDAN LOVE BECAUSE HE HAS A STRONG MINDSET AND YOU CAN TELL BY HIS PERSONALITY HE DOESN'T LET CERTAIN THINGS GET TO HIM.
His numbers were very similar to Mahomes this season, difference is Mahomes can get it done when it matters most. MLF has to really be in sync with Love next season
Hes not better than 22 Qbs.
O yes he is
I’m sure it’ll be ok