3 ways to visit the US after renouncing Citizenship
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Let's talk about ways to visit the US after renouncing US citizenship.
Yes, it is possible, as long as you're familiar with the rules and regulations.
As someone who renounced US citizenship, I made sure to explore all the options ahead of time.
This is my renunciation story:
• Why and How I Renounce...
There are so many misconceptions on this topic, but here are 3 ways that work.
1:00 - First way to get into the US after renouncing - unique relationship with Canada
2:00 - Second way to visit the US after renouncing - Visa waiver program countries - if, in your country, less than 3% of people who want the US tourist visa are refused, then there is a chance that the nation can come into the visa waiver program.
It's important to note that countries that are a part of visa waiver program still have to apply for ESTA every couple of years.
Andrew talks about what ESTA is and some common misconceptions about it.
6:13 - Third way to get into the US is to simply get the US visa
Here is where things can get a bit complicated because some of the regulations change for citizens of countries who are in the visa waiver program.
It's important to be completely transparent about your travel plans when applying for the US visa, otherwise, you could face problems, and you don't want to deal with that.
When you've renounced US citizenship, but you want to visit the US, you also have to prove that you don't have immigrant intent.
You can usually do this by proving you have a home somewhere, as well as other ties that will bring you out of the US after your visa expires.
There are some other ways to get into the US that include immigrant and non-immigrant programs that you can try, as well as some second passports that will make your visit to the US much easier.
It's important to consider all the facts before you renounce US citizenship and know how do deal with every aspect of them before you take the plunge.
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As a Candian you don't have to renounce. All you have to do is declare yourself as a non resident Canadian and not spend more 180 days in Canada. And you can do whatever you want.
if the US wasn't a communist country they would do the same.
I have three citizenships. USA, Ireland and Italy. Passports for USA & Ireland and working on the Italian one. If I decide to move to Europe permanently I will renounce the USA citizenship.
@@marcpeerson8847 Yeah no point anymore with open borders.
Italian and USA passports are one of the most powerful passports in the world. If your going to renounce a passport it should be your Irish one.
@@JekyllOrHyde American passport is by far the worst.
@@tommyh2884 No it's not. An USA passport is still to date as one of the top 10 passports to own in the world. A USA Passport this year in 2019, along with an Irish passport; are both ranked in 6th place. While an Italian passport is ranked in 4th place. Saying that a USA Passport is "by far the worst" is pure ignorance. An Afghan passport is arguably by far the worst passport to have. Since it literally only has Visa Free access to FIVE countries.
@@JekyllOrHyde Dude, a US passport is BY FAR the worst for opening bank accounts abroad, maybe Nigerians and Iran only have as much issues
When I attended the U.S. Border Patrol Academy in 2010 we covered this. They made it seem exceedingly difficult to re-enter once an individual renounced their citizenship. I'm certainly not an expert in this area however they made it sound very difficult. If I remember right, you can gain citizenship back so long as you did not renounce for reasons of taxes.
@KDHA2 I don't recall exactly, I only remember my perception of what I understood at the time...if I remember right, a former U.S. can gain it back, easily enough. However, if you renounce based on avoiding taxes, its impossible. I may have misunderstood, and/or it may have changed.
Yeah you can get it back from what I know. We were told to see a immigration judge and you can possibly get it back.
@@mikebreen2890 you say tax code wrecks lives long before they are demanded, I believe you, but how so?
@@MerlinTheCommenter Because you essentially have to have zero balance in all your accounts to fly under the radar. The US is the only country except Eritrea that does this. Says something about the developmental level of the US. They aslo charge almost $2500 to renounce citizenship. I hare the US, but refuse to give them the money to renounce.
@@kscott67 what do you care what your balances are as long as you font have more than 120k in non us derived income u owe nothing to us
I travel regularly to the US and I have a B1/B2 visa. I'm always stamped for 180 days at a time. They sometimes ask how long I will stay, but never does it affect the time I can stay in the US.
Sometimes I have stayed longer or shorter than the time I said I would stay, never been a problem.
I've done day trips into Mexico from the USA, and never been a problem.
I'm British.
Just keep pushing your luck buddy
You're an idiot for doing that.
This also doesn't apply to you.
Did you renounce USA citizenship ?
Being a citizen of Canada does NOT guarantee that you will be allowed into the United States. I am a citizen of Canada since 1983 and have a passport from Canada and every time I have gone to the U.S. I have faced problems with entry. Some times I have not been allowed entry. It all depends on the discretion of the immigration / customs officer who you meet at the port of entry. He/she decides!
CanadaQBank Of course no one except citizens are guaranteed entry. The point is Canadians have a special status, including no need to complete ESTA.
You do need a passport to enter Canada.. sometimes they give Americans a hard time
As a canadian myself its like really hard for them to deny u entry.... i mean maybe its tougher now because of trump but canadians are neighbours... there are reason why they would deny entry if u broke laws in the past like if u have drinking and driving charge etc
This is true for any country in the world. Even if you have a visa, or even if you don’t need one to enter some country as a foreigner they have ALL THE RIGHTS to not let you in. Applies for everyone, everywhere.
jeancd ....Canadians also need passport to enter USA!....also, Americans have no clue how restrictive the USA is to non-Americans!....
Would the US actually consider a former citizen (someone who had renounced US citizenship) as a potential for "intent to immigrate?" It appears strange to me that they would.
Imagine someone renouncing their US citizenship while being in Australia and he/she does not have an other citizenship, meaning by renouncing they became stateless. They can not deport a stateless former American to Australia (or anywhere) so... there are cases where an inability to leave may exist.
@@sarowie cool analogy but im just wondering why somebody would willingly become stateless lmao
Mike Breen any citizenship is better than no citizenship.
@@ph1820 LMAO.
@BrandonAEnglish 40% of countries have a defined path to reclaim their citizenship after renouncing for a reason. People's thoughts, goals, and needs change all the time. Renouncing citizenship should be treated with the seriousness that it deserves, but sometimes things change and suddenly reclaiming it becomes quite advantageous
I dont get it. It is common sense. I gave up U.S citizenship but return a couple month later with a German passport. As long as you are from a country that does not require a visa, you can stay for 3 months
lol ikr. how did you get german citizenship by the way? im currently looking at UK but it's complicated with Brexit
@@dbsk06 Look elsewhere in the EU, lots of opportunities, you'll have better luck
@@dbsk06 I’m from the UK. It’s a third world shithole nanny state now. Neighbours encouraged to spy on neighbours. Draconian hate speech laws. Awful. Try somewhere else.
Very simple German don't need any Visa to enter usa even if you renounce your us citizenship
*I had dreams of moving to California, from the U.K. permanently but then i find out about (**#FATCA**) now my dreams are crashed. **#FATCA** also effect green card holders and non immigrant investment, hope FATCA can be repealed*
FATCA will never be repealed. If anything, it will be made even more draconian.
Thank you obuma you garbage. Your presidency destroyed a lot of lives
@@nguyenhoang8547 Fuck off, troll.
@@somedudeinatunnel3102 I’m know troll you moron. You are the troll. Are you a racist piece of garbage too.
Bro thats like the worst place to go
Hi. I am glad to find a person who is able share an experience about the visa topic. I caught you said "When I was a US citizen......" which implies to my understanding that you must already renounced your US citizenship. Please, allow me to share my case with you.
I hold a dual nationality, Thai & American. I was born in San Francisco to my Thai parents while they were studying at the time. Under jus sanguinis condition, I was automatically granted a Thai citizenship after my birth was reported at the Thai Consulate in Los Angeles a few days later. I am also unconditionally qualified as a US citizen under jus soli condition being born in the States. My parents brought me back to Thailand when I was only an infant, and I returned back to the States at the time when I was 12 years old to pursue my study until graduated from a University.
I am quite discouraged to notice later that America is the only nation which imposes taxable oversea income from their citizen unconditionally. I don't possess any assets that are entitled under my name, nor do I have any tide to the US because I grew up in Thailand for most of my life. I still have a hard time to justify the fact that I currently make an earning in Thailand which has nothing to do with America, but still have to file the tax to an IRS based on any kind of my earnings.
Thus, renunciating the US citizenship could be the only option. Unfortunately, Thai passports are not qualified under the US visa exemption, which an advance visa request is required at the US Embassy through filling out DS-160 form. I heard that US visa is not easily granted for Thai citizens because numbers of applicants tend to breach their visa condition by seeking an employment, and/or hire a US citizen to fake the legal marriage to obtain a greencard by cheating the regulation protocol. At the same time, it is illegal for me to enter the States with a Thai passport being a US citizen.
I don't know what is best for myself at this point. I don't want to pay taxes to the IRS, and travel freedom for Thai passports do not gain an equality in reciprocol to the US (US citizens are allowed travel to Thailand without an advance visa for 30 days.) Can anybody give me any suggestion here?
get a third citizenship?
Your income will be taxed only if you make over a certain amount. If you’re under that threshold they’ll not tax you. I’m not sure what’s the threshold for earnings but I think it’s around 100k per year. If you work in Thailand chances are you’re making less than that anyway so don’t worry.
@@tw9419 Some states make it hard to opt-out of state income taxes (California may be one of those). You'll also be "required" to file taxes on any income for FICA tax (or self-employment tax)
@@AvtoWow Not sure why state taxes would be relevant if the person has no ties to any US state
WTF! they can even reject your renunciation? lolololol how much power do they need?!
4:36 I have read that it is possible to be approved for ESTA with a foreign passport even if you are a US citizen. Whether or not that involves perjury or attestation that you are not a US citizen im not sure. I read in a forum somewhere that a traveler who was a dual US/Swedish citizen whose US passport had expired applied for an ESTA to travel to the us, with credentials from her swedish passport. At CBP on arrival in the US she presented her expired US passport and was asked if she had a Swedish passport too, and showed it and was admitted without issue (or fines, etc.). This may have invalidated the ESTA, and doing such a thing would be inadvisable for a non-US citizen. I.e. you might be approved for an ESTA, but if you lie on your ESTA application (e.g. about being a U.S. citizen) and it's found out you may have future difficulty entering the US or getting visas. If you are entering by land from Canada or Mexico, you can enter U.S. immediately after renouncing as a VWP national, as ESTA is not required in this case. Similarly, Guam and CNMI have their own VWP (with a shorter list of countries, most in the Asia/Pacific region and more restricrive period of stay). Countries like the Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, UK, etc. are on both lists. The Guam/CNMI VWP does not require an ESTA, but if your nationality is only on regular VWP list only, you still need ESTA for entry to Guam and CNMI. No land entry is possible for these territories due to geography
When you renounce U.S. citizenship, other than because of deaths ie. funerals and in some cases not even funerals, why would you want to return to the U.S., especially if you are living the kind of lifestyle where you are treated best?
You're right, Seph. It's interesting because as an American expat myself for over 6 years now, there are only two reasons why I travel back: to see people I love and tourism. Strange as it may seem, I have become more interested in touring America since leaving. The main thing that bothers me, however, is that my friends and family in America wouldn't understand why I would renounce, and since I've been gone, they regularly push me to come back, as if somehow I'm crazy or stupid for not staying the supposed "land of freedom."
Maybe you wanna see your cat and dogs you left here in your cousins home
I could see myself coming back every few years to see my family. Each of my parent's and my husband's parents live in different states, so maybe we'd spend a month with each and there's 90 days. Tourism, business opportunities, conferences, etc may cause us to want more time, but that's much less likely than family. Our parents are a bit older; you never know when you'll need to get to them rather quickly.
Hey Andrew, I'm currently a dual Canadian/US citizen. I've been given grief at the US border before for trying to enter the States on my Canadian passport. Eventually I was let in, but I was also warned to use my US passport in the future. The reason this was an issue at all is that my US birthplace is listed on my Canadian passport and this lets the border agents know that in all likelihood I am also a US citizen and should therefore be using my US passport to enter their country.
One concern I have around renunciation is that, post-renunciation, I may face questions at the border when using my Canadian passport to enter. It's one thing to enter the US on a Canadian passport with a Canadian birthplace. It seems to me that it could be a different experience entering on a Canadian passport with a US birthplace listed. If a border agent questions this fact and I have renounced my US citizenship, what is an appropriate way to answer their questions regarding renunciation and not be denied entry? Would they seek to "trap" me by asking my reasons for renouncing?
U can always say u lost your American passport and are visiting to renew it. Case closed
Couldn't you just say (respectfully) that is none of their business?
You mean if I renounce my citizenship and decide to visit on an Australian passport, I will be denied entry??
agochoa yes you will
No you won't, you can get in. You basically are a foreigner. ESTA is adequate if you are from a compliant country.
@@eliefosso7215 Not necessarily. The point here is that you can be; it is up to the immigration officer. It depends on your reasons for travel, whether they believe you have sufficient funds and ties to your home country, criminal history, etc.
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I need a third passport.
If I renounce us citizenship can I re enter the US with a tourist visa?
If you get a tourist visa, ostensibly yes.
@@nomadcapitalist where you got your information
@@ryanrivera5510 Bro, there's a thing called Google. Do your research.
How Is it possible to repatriate the usa after renunciation?
If you have a tier B/C passport, apply for a tourist VISA and you are approved for the VISA, what you have been given is NOT permission to enter the USA. A VISA allows you to present yourself at a port of entry so a border officer can grant you entry to the USA at their discretion. If you're just a regular person with no weird stuff in your background that raises some red flags, it would very rare that you're not allowed entry. I've been traveling to the USA since I was a teen and I've never had any issue with any CBP officer. They just ask you some questions about your trip and take your biometrics.
Morning!
I am Canadian & American
do you have a part two to this?
If you renounce and are retired, can you still get social security? Also, if you inherit from a parent, can you do so?
And what is this exit tax I've heard about?
How many citizenships do you have? What are they?
I have 3
You should have a CLN at the border.
Everything he says is what a prudent and professional person should consider before renouncing US citizenship. However, walking out the door with your finger in the air is a feeling you simply cannot put a price tag on...
YH as a Canadian :)
I am Canadian
I was born in New York, but i had to renounce my citizenship, because my adopted parents are Italian, so i have citizenship Italian, so if i must go back to America, with my Italian passport i must do the ESTA?
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How would a country know if you haven't renounced your citizenship? like, lets say you get citizenship in Japan. how does japan know that you haven't renounced your citizenship and what could they do if you don't?
My understanding is that Japan doesn't go out of the way to find people who maintain dual nationality despite the rules against it. Some countries may ask for evidence of renunciation, or revoke citizenship. This is more likely to become an issue when naturalizing in a country that disallows dual nationality.
Go as a tourist
I thought that if you renounced for tax purposes, you were permanently barred from re-entry ?
Eric the Red the guy did not renounce for tax purposes. I watched his full video and it was very clear he did not identify as an American anymore,
@TSD TSD You assume too much at best, but at worst you are calling him a liar. I haven't watched all of his videos but I've watched enough to know that he has consistently talked about his long-term feelings of not fitting-in with the idea of being "American" as it has been, and repeatedly cited this reason for his leaving. Your accusation that he's essentially hiding the truth or lying sounds like government "authority" speak -- condescending and thinks too much of itself (the US system).
Im not sure why he (Roger Ver) renounced, but regardless, he was eventually let in on a tourist visa (although not on the first attempt).
Do minors (w/out parents being divorced & not a party 2 any custody cases) have the same legal rights 2 be in Canada, w/ or w/out a notarized consent by their other/non-custodial parent? 'Not legal advice...
Thank god indian passport is not a tier 1 . I can go whenever i go tomy country
Yes i have carrabian passport
Not exact
I am USA citizen. Must have passport or special license it's no longer automatic
What? Like "why do you need b1/b2? - visit mom/dad/wife - you don't have ties here, u m8 be trying to stay illegally - I renounced my US citizenship, why would I? - nay, u're denied" red tape just kills any common sense.
What?
It's not true you that ad a canadian you don't have to fill out anything. Now you have to fill out a customs declaration each way. Going to US and coming back to Canada if by plane. By land no you don't need to. Several years ago all you needed was a drivers license now you need a passport.
Hey buddy, can we renounce US citizenship and apply for greencard? My wife and I are both US citizens. If i renounce my US citizenship, can my wife petition me for green card?
Sure, but what would the benefit be?
@@nomadcapitalist I'm trying to get back my citizenship of my birth country. Family reasons.
*a green card holders still need to pay DOUBLE TAXES just like citizens*
This doesn't make any sense
@@ag4103 It does, in case this person wishes to acquire a foreign citizenship that requires renunciation of all other nationalities as a condition of naturalization, but still wishes to live in the US. It is an unusual situation.
its 314 am in juneau california 3142021
*REPEAL FATCA immediately*
Unfortunately Biden won't do it since his illegitimate father Obama established the dark law