US should allow in and welcome wealthy individuals and let Americans live outside without problems if they want to. Sure, someone has to pay for all those wars and it’s not gonna be me. Sorry.
Those who renounced their citizenship knows that the real American way of life & the American dream is coming to an end. I bet you that in 5 years, all you have in America will be the Super duper rich & super duper poor. The middle class will be gone.
Some dude insisted that if I'd be willing to give up my citizenship, it means that I hate America. I told him that was one of the dumbest conclusions I'd ever heard anyone reach, especially since he knows I've served the country for nearly 20 years. The world is a big place, and some places are just more conducive to long-term living for people for whatever reasons.
The whole point of Capitalism is to build a better future with resources than than the one you got for the next generation. If you are allowed to do that elsewhere, that fits in nicely with the values that America itself champions so much... Food for thought
In all honestly American is a fail country the country that you were born in serve for 20 Years don’t provide Americans with healthcare you have to be poor to get free human right health. The truth is American Being double taxes it doesn’t benefit you . You pay double taxes , but the right that we gotta pay double taxes to own houses or own anything is as burden . The fact that evil America make one pay out of pocket cannot afford to get Healthcare or uninsuranced if worse . My husband has cancer I had to leave evil America because our insurance did not cover for his treatment. I went to Mexico where I bought private insurance and it covered it.
For those living their lives outside of the USA but with a " US person" label, what is the advantage of having US citizenship? None, the nationality is toxic.
***** The USA does not have a particularly good record of doing that and on the occasions they have, they have presented the rescued with a bill for their services. And most Americans are in stable first world countries and have no need or desire for any such service. Besides, given your five times higher murder rate, your lethal police force and your gun crime many feel safer here anyway. You think theoretic rescue of a US citizen from Britain makes the enslavement of Americans ok? Americans abroad do indeed need protection, from the USA. Unfortunately we can't protect them, because if we do then the USA will close down our banks. Your government has lost it's collective mind.
***** And as a side issue, how do you feel about US citizens paying taxes to other countries on their US earnings? Wait, I think you made that clear some time ago. You disgusting hypocrites.
Mike Breen You asked a question ( what's the advantage of having US citizenship abroad?) and I answered it. To answer your second question: We should do what the rest of the adult countries are doing.
***** You began your answer with one word, "simple". There lays a problem. To write off the persecution of Americans abroad, their families, their businesses on the basis that one day they might get their own black hawk helicopter (for which they must pay) and so it's all ok, is the act of a simpleton. I repeat....The vast majority of these people live in stable countries that are safer than the USA. For those who don't, the chances of the USA ever rescuing them is slim to none. Say, how about the rest of the world persecutes and taxes 50 million Americans and sucks money from the US economy, because one day we might need to rescue them? What's your history and roots? How about I demand you are a citizen of my country because your great granddad was born here? Please, no complaints about not wanting our toxic citizenship because one day we might need to rescue you from Texas. The rest of the adult world taxes people based on their residence. We don't enslave people based on the notion of citizenship, if they want it or not. The rest of the adult world is not bullying the rest of the world at vast expense to them in order to hunt down our citizens so we can beat them with a tax bat. Yes, you should join the rest of the world when it comes to taxation. Currently you are in a club of 2, USA and Eritrea! Oddly enough, in 2011 you were the loudest mouth (surprise) at the UN when demanding Eritrea cease and desist attempting to tax is diaspora or face sanctions. The USA then went about doing the same thing but on steroids. Did I mention hypocrisy?
@@nuekkinshiothebadassbisexu603 You're right, but unfortunately it's all over the world. If it was just the US maybe we'd have a chance at curing the real virus, the mind virus of obedience to fake authority in exchange for fleeting comforts.
I full intend to leave the US when I am older. I cannot take the hypocrisy, hubris, and the stupid mentality that life in the US "was the only way you can live," even though that is not true in the slightest. I have never felt at home in the US, I have always wanted to see different countries and travel the world. I will not be bound to one country my entire life.
This is so sad. America sure is great at creating legislation that makes life miserable and complicated. What a shame. This has stopped being a government for the people decades ago. It's all about big business corporate greed and corrupt politicians.
I'm planning to move back to my home country in South America in the next three years due mainly to the issue of urban sprawl in the United States, as well as the toxic culture and lack of good healthcare.
@Jim Jones Grow a brain simpleton. You're too immature to have intelligent, adult conversations. Go back to your clan buddies with that garbage. You're a failure.
1st: I am an U.S. Citizen living in Dubai. I asked my colleague's sister, who is an accountant, to take care of my taxes. Response: I would not touch his taxes with a 10-foot pole. 2nd: if I can choose where my tax money is going, they would go purely to fixing U.S.' infrastructure, revamp health care system, knock-off the blood-sucking higher educational system, taking care of the vets, and stay the fuck out of other countries' business, unless it is for CDC to help get rid of ebola. This is just to name a few.
You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Dubai is known from stealing and scamming from the working class and letting sick people die so people can get rich. Save it buddy
Also, it’s a misconception that Americans renounce their citizenship only for tax reasons. It could easily be for social reasons, having absolutely nothing to do with taxes. It could also be for real employment opportunities and the ease for which a man can make his dreams manifest.
They are renouncing to avoid an outrageous reporting, taxation and penalty regime that is ruining their lives long before the USA hold out their thieving hands.
That's because they are misinformed. W8BEN is your form. We do not get born as US CITIZENS We are non-residents to Wash DC they are looked and go by a different country. We are State natives aka Indians in the early records.
@@jeffturner6698 your not, they are recognized as their own country. We are born in states. We were taught wrong. W8BEN is your form. If you own a business you pay tax on the interest you make on investments. Period unless you work for gov.
We're moving out of the US to my wife's home country. The US is already a surveillance state and becoming more authoritarian as time goes on. We were happier living in her country anyway. It actually costs $2500 to renounce your US citizenship.
Promoze ! Brazilians are Americans, Argentines are Americans, Peruvians are Americans, Venezuelans are Americans, Colombians are Americans, Chileans are Americans, Canadians are Americans, Mexicans are Americans, Hondurans are Americans, Nicaraguans are Americans, Panamanians are Americans
@@ronnie6696 She lives near Zurich in Switzerland since about 20 years and she renounced her US citizenship a few years ago. Check out my post near the top.
My husband renounced his citizenship in 2012. He was tired of carrying a Canadian passport and an American passport. I wasn't around when he did that, I had no idea how expensive it was for Americans to renounce citizenship.
Ironic isn't it that the exit fee more then trippled. It's as if when they made up the legislation for FATCA they took into count the number of citizens abroad who would exit. Pure greed.
Philip Mclaughlin It isn’t an exit fee you moron. Can exit the USA whenever you feel like it. Renouncing your citizenship is something different altogether.
@@crownvictoria7787 I fear you are right. Congress still appears utterly convinced that Americans abroad are all rich tax dodgers. And even when they are not planning malicious laws and tax code Americans abroad tend to be collateral damage anyway.
@@oss448 So much for the U.S. being a beacon of individual freedom, huh? I personally would rather live back home in South America or Europe or even Asia over this torture chamber any day.
It is absolutely true. I am not a US citizen but I graduated in the US in 1987 and has returned to Malaysia since 1987. I did work in the university's library which was totally legal as a foreign student and the wage was just for pocket money. But when I opened an account in a local bank in Malaysia, I was told to fill up a form to declare that I have not owed any US income tax after 29 years? How on earth the local Malaysian bank knows that I was in the US from 1983 to 1987 ?
Double taxation is profoundly unjust. Especially for those US citizens who don't do any business between their country of residence and the US but simply live in their new country as expatriates. Not realising this is further proof that the US institutions are becoming more and more insular, more and more self-centred and inward-looking.
People are renouncing their US citizenship for more than just tax reasons. It's now the 14/01/2018, and those numbers quoted aren't even close to the real numbers who're leaving the USA, I'd multiply those figures by at least ten. Those who can afford to get out and settle elsewhere, are doing so because of the glaring issues they have with American policy, not least because of it's negative impact in their country of birth, but how it's also negatively affecting people in other parts of the world. America has funded illegal, war mongering states like Israel by the TRILLIONS over the years, while back home on US soil, people are starving, losing their homes,violence is on the rise, Veterans are treated like garbage after coming home from fighting Israeli false flag wars,and corporations, which America actually is, is destroying the entire fabric of the US society. I feel for the people of the USA, they're being destroyed, their kids/soldiers used as cannon fodder for others proxy wars, and people wonder why they're trying to get out? My heart goes to them, it truly does.
Jane Smith You know the USA isn’t in any wars at the moment right? Spare me the sob story. Your entire life doesn’t have to revolve around politics and your government. Just live and be happy.
Actually, as a part of its policy of a warmonger state, US is permanently in a state of war polifatts. As we speak it's in war with Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Libya while still bombing Iraq. ZERO of these one sided wars have been approved by Congress. But why would you care anyways, you never do either way.
catonpillow The only one of those countries the US has a presence in right now is Afghanistan. And we are keeping the peace against Taliban rebels, not fighting a war. I agree, Libya, Syria, Iraq were all fucked up. And who can you blame for that? Bush and Obama. They got us into those without congress approval. But we aren’t in those countries anymore so i’m not sure where you are getting this nonsense.
Polifatts You should get off Fox or CNN because we’re still in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria & dropping bombs on those nations so I’m pretty sure you’re delusional! Wherever they wanna invade next they send in their isis minions to destabilize the region.....war on terror!
Working on it now. Qualify for EU citizenship thru Grandfather who I only saw once in my life at three years old. That said I will get out as I am over the US as it is now. Ireland welcomes me, the EU citizenship will allow me to work in EU and I intend to do that.
Throughout these years I have seen how Americans are forced to settle down here, WORK, and never leave... either with credit cards dept, student loans, the IRS... it sometimes feels like a prison instead of a free country... Even if you escape the IRS will find you
American teacher here / back in the seventies it was HARD to get a teaching position. Australia interviewed for teachers in the US I was successful since then I have lived more than two thirds of my life overseas and continue to do so. Why is my house, retirement fund ,death taxes etc taxed by America ? NO ONE wants to say good bye to the USA. Remember the Boston Tea Party'"taxation without representation" Please let us also settle unencumbered by taxes and continue to be proud American ambassadors. Most of us are your regular workers UNDER the foreign threshold amount we are exempt from on salary BUT still taxed from our RETIREMENT FUND not recognized by the US. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY address with your 2006 Tax Model treaty with Australia NOW Please
Petition at 1,531 who is good at maths ? We have to publicize. If this is the 1st to get through it will mean a LOT. HAMMER all the expat sites to advertise. It seems as mentioned earlier that the majority of us (Americans) at home still have the values of fair play and are joining the fight (maybe even to the polling booths). It is that kind of action that makes us proud to be AMERICANS. Maybe we will get an underdog movie ending.
Jak Dac If this gets traction maybe some US Media TV, Radio, Newspapers may take it all the way. History does repeat itself was it Paul Revere that said , “The expats are coming”
If I can get the Golden Opportunity to renounce my Unwanted US Citizenship and COMPLETELY CUT TIES with the United States ALTOGETHER, I would JUMP TO THE VERY FRONT OF THE LINE and then RUN LIKE HELL AND "NEVER" LOOK BACK : EVER !
This is a very good impartial report. FATCA has caused U.S. citizens abroad to be in some very difficult and onerous situations. If you have a foreign spouse as I do who makes all the family income living abroad it can be even worse. A Canadian married to an American may find the U.S. calling their local checking account up the street from where they live a "foreign account" which is ridiculous. It also puts foreign persons married to or working with an American under the same tax reporting burden on their private banking information as IF they were American too. This puts pressure on the American to renounce to solve the situation. Most I have known renouncing don't want to do it but, can no longer function and have a normal bank account where they reside, have had trouble with foreign family who never lived or worked in the U.S. or have had a threat of bank account closure including losing their mortgage. Is congress EVER going to represent these people and solve any of these problems? Upwards of 60 percent would never owe any taxes to the U.S. this is not about taxes. This report is accurate and lets the people involved tell the real story. Very good!! Sadly, I had to relinquish my U.S. citizenship when my spouse who has supported me here in Canada refused to have his bank account information going to a foreign nation with zero suspicion of any wrong doing. Banks here are treating us like suspected criminals. One credit union told us when they learned there was an American in the household that they couldn't give us a mortgage. Fix this mess and make a pathway back to citizenship for those who have been harmed by it. Get your citizens living in the U.S. who off shore but, you can do it without harming expat families who are low to middle income and the working class abroad!!
America is not a nation.America is simple business above all don't feel ashamed if you give up american citizenship.Without it, you'll live happily smiled without a headache.It is not last day in this world a life without american citizenship.Your spouse a big bravo that support you.
This is the situation I am wanting to avoid. I'm 21 and have to consider whether it is worth having US citizenship or living my life freely in a UK where I am a citizen without scrutiny of the US.
For most people who renounce, it's not about the taxes PAID. It's about the forms required to be filled out by the citizens, even if the forms tell the IRS "Sorry, Mr. IRS Man, no tax dollars for you because I already gave it all to the country where I live and work." These forms are specialized forms that most of the tax accountants never see, so being specialized means "expensive rates per hour" when attempting to comply with the law. Meanwhile the IRS in its infinite wisdom has closed almost all the assistance offices overseas just as the compliance got harder! And even worse, the least little mistake can cost you thousands up to half your net worth! And when a US Military veteran ends up forced to decide between keeping their citizenship and becoming homeless or renouncing their citizenship so they don't lose their home, there is definitely something wrong with this!
That's just insane, so unless you renounce your citizenship , you have to pay US taxes even though you don't live there? Crazy... am from NZ, if you move to Australia, you cease being a NZ citizen for tax purposes, unless you still own businesses etc , and become an Aust citizen for tax purposes.....simple, fair , no wonder people are leaving the US
You Americans leave your citizens under tents in New York, Los Angeles, San Fransisco etc. under food bank living at poorest state. At least 3 million Americans live like Sudanese , Somalis , Malawi citizens conditions. Founder states of USA should decide more socialist ways for americans under poverty, who have been living in 2 star hotels.
I don't want to give up U.S. citizenship, but I would,like to gain Mexican citizenship. I love the people,of,Mexico. In there small towns they still have that Mayberry R.F.D. feel and they know,no strangers. Man hugs everywhere. Love it. The other reason is,my health. I feel so much better way south.
Same here if my fiance relocates to Canada where many friends and a few damily family live, I will renounce my citizenship and move with him once we married. There is no other option, there is no hope for wages, work force of middle-lower class and in terms of taxes and living the U.S government has made the decision for us who leave its not us.
The Lone Wolf That’s not how it works. lol. You have to be put on a waiting list for years, pay thousands of dollars, get approved, etc. You don’t just magically get citizenship to another country. Canadians don’t have better lives by the way. It’s almost the same as the US culturally, except way colder.
If you qualify Express Entry, you may receive your Canadian Permanent Residency in as short as 6 months or less. Then, you can move to Canada, and live continuously for 3 years, at which point you can apply for Canadian Citizenship. The processing of Citizenship application is about 12 months.
I pay child support and I love my children very much...I was forced. .but I never denied my children. .I never met my daughter. ..but I pay for her...my son was four months he's ten now...I haven't seen him..I call his mother she ignores my cry for my children. .but I pay for them. .I'm going to find a way to leave America I refuse to be bullied and treated like a damn slave. ..
Child support is not part if the court system.. it is yet another corporation .. you can fight them but you have to do it yourself.. you cannot use an attorney.. you have to educate yourself.. look up amen osiris, and rick.. on UA-cam they are very informative.. I got them to leave me alone..
For those of you relating this to social welfare for the poor, I suggest focusing on the act (the focus of this video). Otherwise, if you want to relate it to the money levied by gov't and what it is spent on I suggest further research.
The tax burden in the US isn't so bad right now. But, for one reason or another, the tax burden may increase substantially; if that happens, more people will find it in their interest to renounce.... and to move to a lower tax country.
Citizens of other countries tend not to "love" their countries. They see citizenship as mainly accident of birth, and generally, certainly those in the EU (NOT including being British), are happy with their passports. There is now an exodus from both US and British passports, though for dissimilar reasons. These reasons are perfectly understandable. The most desireable passports to have these days are probably those of a member of the EU. I have long and noteable experience. Lived in the WAshington DC for three years in the mid to late sixties.Paradfoxically, used to sit next to Ronald Regan in our apartment swimming pool, one half of the Regan - Thatcher axis that started the unholy mess the US and UK are in now. Father was a British diplomat. When my parents went home, I stayed on and got a permit to work. Was immediately summoned by Uncle Sam for a medical before being drafted (Please note I was not a US citizen). For some unusual medical reason I failed - I got a 4F - but I returned to the UK anyway. I now live in the Netherlands as a naturalised Dutchman, and am very happy to be so as my former country has gone doo-lally, something foreseen by myself. The point I am trying to make is that people in the EU don't worship their nationality, or get emotionally overwrought when talking about it. John Le Carre, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, "I hate America George. the enslavement of the masses, institutionalised". I didn't understand that when I first read the book. Now I see it very clearly. Lack of affordable nealthcare and higher education, lack of vacation time etc. The country is delusional, gun and crime invested, and as the Covid virus will now show, totally unprepared for what has now come it's way. People will be out of their homes, jobs, work and luck. It has a military bigger than the rest seven combined, preaches the evils of socialism when not having a clue what socialism is and where and if it is practiced. (In the EU it's not, perhaps in Cuba?) And you ask why people are renouncing their citizenship? Ignorance is no excuse any more. Yes, the US is exceptional. Exceptionally bad. AND, I don't get some perverse sense of pleasure from writing all this. I am just trying to educate, however obnoxious that may be !
Okay. Propaganda. If your a citizen of the U.S. Corporation than you are subject to Taxes, all Statutes, Codes, Regulations, Ordnances. If you are a Citizen of one of the several states of the united states of America than you are not. If you will look on your driver's license, your registration, your Birth Certificate, your, SS Card, you will find your mis-spelled name spelled in all CAPITAL letters. The U.S. Corporation, and it's Franchise, whatever state you live in has turned you into a Corporation to and as a Corporation you must follow The Corporate rules, Statutes Codes, Regulations, and Ordnances. Take out one of your Paper Cheques/checks. Used or unused. Now get your Magnifying glass and look at what you think is your Signature line. Now what do you see. Fraud is the reason no one wants to a citizen. Slavery is why no one want to be a citizen.
I want to live elsewhere but I’m worried about learning a new language. I’m taking Latin in high school so that’s a head start I suppose? Really that’s my only concern. I’ll also miss my family. That’s about it. Those are the two reasons. I want a better life for myself, and if I change my mind about it, my kids. This is no place to raise a family. My mom tried to convince my to stay here by saying that there are people fighting to make the country better but it’s not enough. She probably just doesn’t want me to be too far away. I’m more worried that I won’t live to be old enough to leave. Wish me luck guys! Also if you have any country ideas, somewhere safe, somewhere immigrant friendly that would be great.
If you're actually in an immersive environment and go out of your way to speak the local language even if you speak at horribly, you will be able to speak well enough to get by after a couple months. Just don't try to use English
If I were you, I'd try to learn Spanish. One of the most easiest languages to learn. If you are from the US, with some effort, you'll be speaking Spanish in less than 3 months. Go to a Spanish speaking Country and you'll be fluently by year 1. It's really only 5 Countries that speak English as their Native language: US, UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Everyone else uses it with their local tongues (ie: Tagalog and English for the Philippines. Kiro and English for Sierra Leone. Arabic and English for UAE etc.) So it's best to go with a language that is widely spoken in the US, such as Spanish. Latin isn't widely spoken. Sure it'll help you with some Spanish but Spanish would be better.
same for Australia, taxing income worldwide, increasing bureaucracy, its disgusting. Confessions of an Economic Hitman lays out US gov attitudes towards international business, I dare say they're expanding it towards their own people...
Because of some convention from some time ago (maybe a Vienna convention, but I cannot be bothered to fact-check) countries cannot knowingly render an individual stateless. People are not allowed to renounce their citizenship should they not have another country to live in. People working at embassies will not allow you to do it; to allow one to proceed in such a situation would be ridiculous and discount any assumption that the individual wishing to renounce is operating with their full faculties.
@@Kyle-mo7bd Most countries don’t. US citizens are allowed to renounce their citizenship and become stateless. The US never signed the treaty to prevent stateless scenario.
@@Kyle-mo7bd It might depend on the country where you apply. I read online that someone has done it successfully in South America, specifically Uruguay. He later applied for a travel document for stateless people issued by Uruguay.
It used to be a distinct advantage if you were a dual citizen, holding two passports in certain business and career opportunities. "Oh, you have two passports and the company does not have to struggle with work permits work visas etc. for you? GREAT! You are hired! Sadly, that's the case NO MORE! "The great hope is that somehow Congress can fix this..." Don't hold your breath! Just about the ONLY unanimous thing Congress can always agree on expeditiously is voting themselves a pay raise and when to go on their next vacation for how many weeks. Meanwhile, you as a "peon" just dare bringing up the subject to your American employer that you wanted to take two weeks, horribile dictu TREE weeks of vacation even you have accumulated eligibility of 4-5-6 weeks over the years working for them ... See how that goes with them.
When the guy said "if you have a U.S. passport you get taxed on everything". That statement is very mis-leading. Whether on purpose or not I can't say. However,what I can say is that is false...as long as you fill out the passport application correctly. You can still get a normal passport, without being a U.S citizen, as long as you are an American State National or an American State Citizen. A U.S. citizen and/or a citizen of the United States, or a U.S. national, is not the same thing as being an American State Citizen or an American State National. I love how the "news" NEVER talks about that difference, or NEVER has guests that talk about the difference. You can have an American Passport, and not be a "taxpayer" or a" Transactor In Commerce". It's why the legacy media companies, like this one, is already going extinct. Even if they themselves don't yet realize it.
It's not Citizenship . It is citizen-ship . People will do well to start studying language (languish) and see how many contracts they have entered into by their own hand and Sign-nature.
You change your status from a citizen to a national status. you You remove yourself from the 14th amendment . You have to do this correctly and your affidavit has to say it correctly.
Us constitution says so, tax is against the constitution, corporations are supposed to be paying tax… tax means contribution, a gift… no law saying you must pay tax…..
Got my permanent resident visa for Panama. I wouldn't be a citizen of Panama...but it's a stepping stone to other passports. Def renouncing my US citizenship when I find a viable country to gain citizenship into aka english speakjng tax haven with a good standard of living and low cost of capital.
I too am a ready to retire middleclass american with thoughts of living as an expat internationally, but i have to return to the us every 6 months to continue receiving social security or lose it. After a life of living, working and paying a substantial amount of money into ssa, i fully expect to receive my benefits without issues. Is the 6 month requirement correct? What does that even mean? Physically showing up at ssa office every 6 months? As an older person, do i lose ssa if i’m unable to travel?
@Bob on The Atlantic article. www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/boris-Johnson-renounces-us-citizenship-tax-bill-mayor-london/385554/ American tax law is incompatible with tax law in our adopted countries. For Americans abroad, US tax law restricts how we can invest for retirement on income that we earned entirely abroad, considers normal tax-free instruments in our adopted countries as foreign trusts, prevents us from saving for our children’s education, causes enormous everyday banking problems, and is so complex that it requires expensive cross-border tax experts that cost us thousands per year. It criminalizes us with penalties that are far in excess of what homeland Americans face. As a nation of immigrants, America was founded on the principle that those who came to the US seeking a better life should not have to pay taxes to the nations they left behind. Citizen-based taxation goes against the very foundations on which the Republic was formed. It is discriminatory, un-American and amoral. Sure, we can vote, but it is meaningless. France has elected members of its National Assembly that represent the interests of French citizens abroad. France values its expats more than America. This is shameful. Any US persons living overseas caught up in all this must visit the message boards of The Isaac Brock Society: isaacbrocksociety.ca/ and consider contributing to ADCS: www.adcs-adsc.ca/ and fatcalegalaction.com/
If the people who leave the U.S. are honest, it's the taxes they have to pay while not living in the U.S. Yet, they still want the advantages that a United States citizenship and passport gives them, being the #1 country in the world. Some other country's passports are not accepted in just about every country in the world...but a United States passport is. Of the millions of people who live in the U.S.A., if only a maximum of around 3,000 a year decide they don't want the advantages of a U.S. passport, then that's OK. There are literally thousands of people every year who would do anything to be citizens of the United States, including crossing borders illegally. I wonder why? Maybe because it's a good place to be? If they are rich and they want to live in other countries, how did they get so rich in the 1st place? Using our U.S. free market system? I do agree that it would be a good idea if the U.S. would simplify it's taxes and paperwork required for its ex-pats, though; and it may be smart to lower them also.
Do what every other country does and tax on residency and not citizenship. Only Eritreia has this rule besides the US. As far as the paperwork is conserned look up return free filing. This is how its done in Sweden for instance, where the IRS does the taxes for you, you only need to confirm it. So taxes here takes 5 minutes at most per year.
The US government spends a lot of money protecting citizens overseas. Whenever there is a major crisis or violence, everyone wants to be a US citizen so they can be rescued.
@@markledesma3251 im sorry to hear that. I have a friend who was a US citizen in Africa and was rescued by the US military when there was a rebel uprising. Im sure every experience is different, but in general the US spends a lot of money protecting citizens abroad
+Dee Cee If I remember what I've heard correctly, once you've renounced your US citizenship, it takes going through a _lot_ of hoops to regain it. Someone who has renounced her citizenship wouldn't just be able to say, "Oopsie, I changed my mind," at the first sign of trouble and become American again.
US should allow in and welcome wealthy individuals and let Americans live outside without problems if they want to. Sure, someone has to pay for all those wars and it’s not gonna be me. Sorry.
The self rightous politicians who passed FATCA will reap the shit storm .
Captive workforce and exploitable consumers.
Those who renounced their citizenship knows that the real American way of life & the American dream is coming to an end. I bet you that in 5 years, all you have in America will be the Super duper rich & super duper poor. The middle class will be gone.
Some dude insisted that if I'd be willing to give up my citizenship, it means that I hate America. I told him that was one of the dumbest conclusions I'd ever heard anyone reach, especially since he knows I've served the country for nearly 20 years. The world is a big place, and some places are just more conducive to long-term living for people for whatever reasons.
Latin America or West/Central Europe depending on which I like more in person after travels for me, I don’t know about you.
The whole point of Capitalism is to build a better future with resources than than the one you got for the next generation. If you are allowed to do that elsewhere, that fits in nicely with the values that America itself champions so much... Food for thought
@@cmath6454 the point of capitalism is max profits...
@@skyleruballe2265 How long did it take for you to figure that out for yourself?.... Wow
In all honestly American is a fail country the country that you were born in serve for 20
Years don’t provide Americans with healthcare you have to be poor to get free human right health. The truth is American Being double taxes it doesn’t benefit you . You pay double taxes , but the right that we gotta pay double taxes to own houses or own anything is as burden . The fact that evil America make one pay out of pocket cannot afford to get Healthcare or uninsuranced if worse . My husband has cancer I had to leave evil America because our insurance did not cover for his treatment. I went to Mexico where I bought private insurance and it covered it.
For those living their lives outside of the USA but with a " US person" label, what is the advantage of having US citizenship? None, the nationality is toxic.
Mike Breen Simple: If shit hits the fan the US military will go in and save you purely because you are a citizen.
***** The USA does not have a particularly good record of doing that and on the occasions they have, they have presented the rescued with a bill for their services.
And most Americans are in stable first world countries and have no need or desire for any such service. Besides, given your five times higher murder rate, your lethal police force and your gun crime many feel safer here anyway.
You think theoretic rescue of a US citizen from Britain makes the enslavement of Americans ok?
Americans abroad do indeed need protection, from the USA. Unfortunately we can't protect them, because if we do then the USA will close down our banks. Your government has lost it's collective mind.
***** And as a side issue, how do you feel about US citizens paying taxes to other countries on their US earnings? Wait, I think you made that clear some time ago. You disgusting hypocrites.
Mike Breen You asked a question ( what's the advantage of having US citizenship abroad?) and I answered it. To answer your second question: We should do what the rest of the adult countries are doing.
***** You began your answer with one word, "simple". There lays a problem. To write off the persecution of Americans abroad, their families, their businesses on the basis that one day they might get their own black hawk helicopter (for which they must pay) and so it's all ok, is the act of a simpleton. I repeat....The vast majority of these people live in stable countries that are safer than the USA. For those who don't, the chances of the USA ever rescuing them is slim to none. Say, how about the rest of the world persecutes and taxes 50 million Americans and sucks money from the US economy, because one day we might need to rescue them?
What's your history and roots? How about I demand you are a citizen of my country because your great granddad was born here? Please, no complaints about not wanting our toxic citizenship because one day we might need to rescue you from Texas.
The rest of the adult world taxes people based on their residence. We don't enslave people based on the notion of citizenship, if they want it or not. The rest of the adult world is not bullying the rest of the world at vast expense to them in order to hunt down our citizens so we can beat them with a tax bat.
Yes, you should join the rest of the world when it comes to taxation. Currently you are in a club of 2, USA and Eritrea! Oddly enough, in 2011 you were the loudest mouth (surprise) at the UN when demanding Eritrea cease and desist attempting to tax is diaspora or face sanctions.
The USA then went about doing the same thing but on steroids. Did I mention hypocrisy?
This is a good example of how there's plenty of work for our politicians to do. Yet, nothing ever gets done.
Well said.
The politicians are the ones who created the problem.
@@yunggolem4687 The majority of people in the U.S., especially politicians, are just self-centered, entitled sociopaths.
@@nuekkinshiothebadassbisexu603 You're right, but unfortunately it's all over the world. If it was just the US maybe we'd have a chance at curing the real virus, the mind virus of obedience to fake authority in exchange for fleeting comforts.
All owned by corporations. Even the Democrats, who people try to claim are left wing.
I full intend to leave the US when I am older. I cannot take the hypocrisy, hubris, and the stupid mentality that life in the US "was the only way you can live," even though that is not true in the slightest. I have never felt at home in the US, I have always wanted to see different countries and travel the world. I will not be bound to one country my entire life.
I feel you. I would rather live back home in South America where I came from or Europe or Asia over the U.S. anyday.
@tahoemist98 america is only good for vacation and then you leave
Same. America is best suited for vacation, the wealthy, or those that come from much poorer or dangerous countries.
Yes I agree I am leaveing in a few months society here sucks as well as the government
This is so sad. America sure is great at creating legislation that makes life miserable and complicated. What a shame. This has stopped being a government for the people decades ago. It's all about big business corporate greed and corrupt politicians.
That's really true. The people aren't in a good place right now.
Exactly 👏 I plan on moving to Norway and I renouncing my U.S. citizenship
I'm planning to move back to my home country in South America in the next three years due mainly to the issue of urban sprawl in the United States, as well as the toxic culture and lack of good healthcare.
Welcome to the entire world.
@Jim Jones Grow a brain simpleton. You're too immature to have intelligent, adult conversations. Go back to your clan buddies with that garbage. You're a failure.
1st: I am an U.S. Citizen living in Dubai. I asked my colleague's sister, who is an accountant, to take care of my taxes. Response: I would not touch his taxes with a 10-foot pole. 2nd: if I can choose where my tax money is going, they would go purely to fixing U.S.' infrastructure, revamp health care system, knock-off the blood-sucking higher educational system, taking care of the vets, and stay the fuck out of other countries' business, unless it is for CDC to help get rid of ebola. This is just to name a few.
I agree with every word of this, especially the "stay the fuck out of other countries' business" part.
You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Dubai is known from stealing and scamming from the working class and letting sick people die so people can get rich. Save it buddy
@@bradlymacy4108 No he's right, it's not just Dubai. Many intl banks refuse American clients due to threats from IRS.
go read cracking the code. by pete hendrickson.
🤣❤💯👌
Moved out 15 years ago and I have nightmares about having to live there ever again, next step is to Renounce the USA is an open air prison.
@@kshotz.8 Nope that's for free with pleasure...
Also, it’s a misconception that Americans renounce their citizenship only for tax reasons. It could easily be for social reasons, having absolutely nothing to do with taxes. It could also be for real employment opportunities and the ease for which a man can make his dreams manifest.
They are renouncing to avoid an outrageous reporting, taxation and penalty regime that is ruining their lives long before the USA hold out their thieving hands.
It may be for psychological reasons, too. To get rid of the stress and anxiety that comes with the U.S. culture and society itself.
Exactly.
How about peace of mind, knowing you're no longer a citizen of a bankrupt and opressive country??
That's because they are misinformed. W8BEN is your form. We do not get born as US CITIZENS We are non-residents to Wash DC they are looked and go by a different country. We are State natives aka Indians in the early records.
@@jeffturner6698 your not, they are recognized as their own country. We are born in states. We were taught wrong. W8BEN is your form. If you own a business you pay tax on the interest you make on investments. Period unless you work for gov.
Taxation is extortion period.
They are abandoning a sinking ship
We're moving out of the US to my wife's home country. The US is already a surveillance state and becoming more authoritarian as time goes on. We were happier living in her country anyway. It actually costs $2500 to renounce your US citizenship.
Any US citizen is not under US constitution abroad but he is under taxes.
The U.S is not the land, it’s a corporation. America is the land. Different classifications between Americans ( the people ) and U.S citizens.
Promoze ! Brazilians are Americans, Argentines are Americans, Peruvians are Americans, Venezuelans are Americans, Colombians are Americans, Chileans are Americans, Canadians are Americans, Mexicans are Americans, Hondurans are Americans, Nicaraguans are Americans, Panamanians are Americans
No wonder Tina Turner did it too. Also growing in the 40's & 50's I bet she had no regrets .
wow i didn’t know Tina Turner is no longer living in the U.S... I heard Rihanna doesn’t live in the U.S either
@@ronnie6696 She lives near Zurich in Switzerland since about 20 years and she renounced her US citizenship a few years ago. Check out my post near the top.
My husband renounced his citizenship in 2012. He was tired of carrying a Canadian passport and an American passport. I wasn't around when he did that, I had no idea how expensive it was for Americans to renounce citizenship.
If only the IRS would be as aggressive against the billionaires.
Ironic isn't it that the exit fee more then trippled. It's as if when they made up the legislation for FATCA they took into count the number of citizens abroad who would exit. Pure greed.
Philip Mclaughlin It isn’t an exit fee you moron. Can exit the USA whenever you feel like it. Renouncing your citizenship is something different altogether.
Five years later is this fixed? No, it's worse than ever.
It will become even more worse than ever
@@crownvictoria7787 I fear you are right. Congress still appears utterly convinced that Americans abroad are all rich tax dodgers. And even when they are not planning malicious laws and tax code Americans abroad tend to be collateral damage anyway.
I'm next!!! I want out now
Can I move to Switzerland if I do it
I'm moving back home to Argentina 🇦🇷
Bye
I'm leaving as well, hopefully to Japan. Can't wait to gtfo of this prison
@@oss448 So much for the U.S. being a beacon of individual freedom, huh? I personally would rather live back home in South America or Europe or even Asia over this torture chamber any day.
It is absolutely true. I am not a US citizen but I graduated in the US in 1987 and has returned to Malaysia since 1987. I did work in the university's library which was totally legal as a foreign student and the wage was just for pocket money. But when I opened an account in a local bank in Malaysia, I was told to fill up a form to declare that I have not owed any US income tax after 29 years? How on earth the local Malaysian bank knows that I was in the US from 1983 to 1987 ?
KC CHEONG amerika is evil👍 i want to leave
How do you file American Tax in other countries... Germany... this would give me a big headache!
KC CHEONG b
KC CHEONG c
Katja pssst Not hard to file, you download a software, fill it out and file electronically. It takes 1 hour or less.
Double taxation is profoundly unjust.
Especially for those US citizens who don't do any business between their country of residence and the US but simply live in their new country as expatriates.
Not realising this is further proof that the US institutions are becoming more and more insular, more and more self-centred and inward-looking.
People are renouncing their US citizenship for more than just tax reasons.
It's now the 14/01/2018, and those numbers quoted aren't even close to the real numbers who're leaving the USA, I'd multiply those figures by at least ten. Those who can afford to get out and settle elsewhere, are doing so because of the glaring issues they have with American policy, not least because of it's negative impact in their country of birth, but how it's also negatively affecting people in other parts of the world.
America has funded illegal, war mongering states like Israel by the TRILLIONS over the years, while back home on US soil, people are starving, losing their homes,violence is on the rise, Veterans are treated like garbage after coming home from fighting Israeli false flag wars,and corporations, which America actually is, is destroying the entire fabric of the US society.
I feel for the people of the USA, they're being destroyed, their kids/soldiers used as cannon fodder for others proxy wars, and people wonder why they're trying to get out?
My heart goes to them, it truly does.
Jane Smith You know the USA isn’t in any wars at the moment right? Spare me the sob story. Your entire life doesn’t have to revolve around politics and your government. Just live and be happy.
Actually, as a part of its policy of a warmonger state, US is permanently in a state of war polifatts. As we speak it's in war with Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Libya while still bombing Iraq. ZERO of these one sided wars have been approved by Congress. But why would you care anyways, you never do either way.
catonpillow The only one of those countries the US has a presence in right now is Afghanistan. And we are keeping the peace against Taliban rebels, not fighting a war. I agree, Libya, Syria, Iraq were all fucked up. And who can you blame for that? Bush and Obama. They got us into those without congress approval. But we aren’t in those countries anymore so i’m not sure where you are getting this nonsense.
Polifatts
You should get off Fox or CNN because we’re still in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria & dropping bombs on those nations so I’m pretty sure you’re delusional! Wherever they wanna invade next they send in their isis minions to destabilize the region.....war on terror!
Working on it now. Qualify for EU citizenship thru Grandfather who I only saw once in my life at three years old. That said I will get
out as I am over the US as it is now. Ireland welcomes me, the EU citizenship will allow me to work in EU and I intend to do that.
Damn IRS.
Throughout these years I have seen how Americans are forced to settle down here, WORK, and never leave... either with credit cards dept, student loans, the IRS... it sometimes feels like a prison instead of a free country... Even if you escape the IRS will find you
The irs is a collection agency that’s it
I am doing the same this year. I no longer want to be American. USA is not my home.
Luvie1980 Me too! USA is always never my home and being American is shameful!
good riddance. US does not need people like you who do not apprecieate freedom and opportunities that US offers
What is STFU?
Vlasta Molak It means "Sh*t the f*ck up.
Good riddance.
Considering it more and more.
Go where you’re treated best❣️
American teacher here / back in the seventies it was HARD to get a teaching position. Australia interviewed for teachers in the US I was successful since then I have lived more than two thirds of my life overseas and continue to do so. Why is my house, retirement fund ,death taxes etc taxed by America ? NO ONE wants to say good bye to the USA. Remember the Boston Tea Party'"taxation without representation" Please let us also settle unencumbered by taxes and continue to be proud American ambassadors. Most of us are your regular workers UNDER the foreign threshold amount we are exempt from on salary BUT still taxed from our RETIREMENT FUND not recognized by the US. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY address with your 2006 Tax Model treaty with Australia NOW Please
Petition at 1,531 who is good at maths ?
We have to publicize.
If this is the 1st to get through it will mean a LOT. HAMMER all the expat sites to advertise.
It seems as mentioned earlier that the majority of us (Americans) at home still have the values of fair play and are joining the fight (maybe even to the polling booths).
It is that kind of action that makes us proud to be AMERICANS. Maybe we will get an underdog movie ending.
Jak Dac If this gets traction maybe some US Media TV, Radio, Newspapers may take it all the way. History does repeat itself was it Paul Revere that said , “The expats are coming”
If I can get the Golden Opportunity to renounce my Unwanted US Citizenship and COMPLETELY CUT TIES with the United States ALTOGETHER, I would JUMP TO THE VERY FRONT OF THE LINE and then RUN LIKE HELL AND "NEVER" LOOK BACK : EVER !
I think America is great mainly for the wealthy and those who have come from really poor countries.
You mean failed states.
This is a very good impartial report. FATCA has caused U.S. citizens abroad to be in some very difficult and onerous situations. If you have a foreign spouse as I do who makes all the family income living abroad it can be even worse. A Canadian married to an American may find the U.S. calling their local checking account up the street from where they live a "foreign account" which is ridiculous. It also puts foreign persons married to or working with an American under the same tax reporting burden on their private banking information as IF they were American too. This puts pressure on the American to renounce to solve the situation. Most I have known renouncing don't want to do it but, can no longer function and have a normal bank account where they reside, have had trouble with foreign family who never lived or worked in the U.S. or have had a threat of bank account closure including losing their mortgage. Is congress EVER going to represent these people and solve any of these problems? Upwards of 60 percent would never owe any taxes to the U.S. this is not about taxes. This report is accurate and lets the people involved tell the real story. Very good!! Sadly, I had to relinquish my U.S. citizenship when my spouse who has supported me here in Canada refused to have his bank account information going to a foreign nation with zero suspicion of any wrong doing. Banks here are treating us like suspected criminals. One credit union told us when they learned there was an American in the household that they couldn't give us a mortgage. Fix this mess and make a pathway back to citizenship for those who have been harmed by it. Get your citizens living in the U.S. who off shore but, you can do it without harming expat families who are low to middle income and the working class abroad!!
America is not a nation.America is simple business above all don't feel ashamed if you give up american citizenship.Without it, you'll live happily smiled without a headache.It is not last day in this world a life without american citizenship.Your spouse a big bravo that support you.
This is the situation I am wanting to avoid. I'm 21 and have to consider whether it is worth having US citizenship or living my life freely in a UK where I am a citizen without scrutiny of the US.
The Trump government overhauled the tax system except this.
@BHow does that help when the entire regime is wrecking lives long before any tax is demanded?
@B Great but that doesn't matter you still have to file all these forms, get expensive accountants etc.
@Brad Morrison Young forgot the FBAR
jews / Israel run the us, it's hilarious
Wait... really?
I fill out 2555 form and it exempts me from taxes on income earned outside of USA up to $102,000.00
Nice
Yes. It gets very complicated when you start saving for retirement or sell your house.
102k is not much really, god forbid you become successful on investments/private business
For most people who renounce, it's not about the taxes PAID. It's about the forms required to be filled out by the citizens, even if the forms tell the IRS "Sorry, Mr. IRS Man, no tax dollars for you because I already gave it all to the country where I live and work." These forms are specialized forms that most of the tax accountants never see, so being specialized means "expensive rates per hour" when attempting to comply with the law. Meanwhile the IRS in its infinite wisdom has closed almost all the assistance offices overseas just as the compliance got harder! And even worse, the least little mistake can cost you thousands up to half your net worth!
And when a US Military veteran ends up forced to decide between keeping their citizenship and becoming homeless or renouncing their citizenship so they don't lose their home, there is definitely something wrong with this!
That's just insane, so unless you renounce your citizenship , you have to pay US taxes even though you don't live there? Crazy... am from NZ, if you move to Australia, you cease being a NZ citizen for tax purposes, unless you still own businesses etc , and become an Aust citizen for tax purposes.....simple, fair , no wonder people are leaving the US
I'm never fucking coming back..
You Americans leave your citizens under tents in New York, Los Angeles, San Fransisco etc. under food bank living at poorest state. At least 3 million Americans live like Sudanese , Somalis , Malawi citizens conditions. Founder states of USA should decide more socialist ways for americans under poverty, who have been living in 2 star hotels.
so true! so true!
Go to where your treated best,don’t let haters ever influence your decisions.
I don't want to give up U.S. citizenship, but I would,like to gain Mexican citizenship.
I love the people,of,Mexico. In there small towns they still have that Mayberry R.F.D. feel and they know,no strangers. Man hugs everywhere. Love it.
The other reason is,my health. I feel so much better way south.
You'll have to join the military if you want a mexican passport
Fatca is basically just blackmail, how is this not illegal?
Same here if my fiance relocates to Canada where many friends and a few damily family live, I will renounce my citizenship and move with him once we married. There is no other option, there is no hope for wages, work force of middle-lower class and in terms of taxes and living the U.S government has made the decision for us who leave its not us.
And 5 years later.. nothing has changed
I am planning to renounce my US citizenship and then move to Canada for a better life and apply a Canadian citizenship.
The Lone Wolf That’s not how it works. lol. You have to be put on a waiting list for years, pay thousands of dollars, get approved, etc. You don’t just magically get citizenship to another country. Canadians don’t have better lives by the way. It’s almost the same as the US culturally, except way colder.
If you qualify Express Entry, you may receive your Canadian Permanent Residency in as short as 6 months or less. Then, you can move to Canada, and live continuously for 3 years, at which point you can apply for Canadian Citizenship. The processing of Citizenship application is about 12 months.
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath incorrect
If you americans don't understand tax issues, then you have to live in tax havens of USA, Nevada, New Mexico, Delaware, South or North Dakota
I pay child support and I love my children very much...I was forced. .but I never denied my children. .I never met my daughter. ..but I pay for her...my son was four months he's ten now...I haven't seen him..I call his mother she ignores my cry for my children. .but I pay for them. .I'm going to find a way to leave America I refuse to be bullied and treated like a damn slave. ..
Shawn Williams what the fuck I've just read
I feel for you mate, may you suceed. God bless you mate.
Child support is not part if the court system.. it is yet another corporation .. you can fight them but you have to do it yourself.. you cannot use an attorney.. you have to educate yourself.. look up amen osiris, and rick.. on UA-cam they are very informative.. I got them to leave me alone..
How about we paraphrase Ronald Reagan ?: "I didn't leave America ... American left me."
I love America I've been here since 1980 but I'm not going to become an American citizen
What a great country we have...not!
The word citizen means being a slave, look it up….
Sounds like N.Korea only in a better way
For those of you relating this to social welfare for the poor, I suggest focusing on the act (the focus of this video). Otherwise, if you want to relate it to the money levied by gov't and what it is spent on I suggest further research.
The tax burden in the US isn't so bad right now. But, for one reason or another, the tax burden may increase substantially; if that happens, more people will find it in their interest to renounce.... and to move to a lower tax country.
And yet 6years has passed nothing changes
Dont get it twisted , non citizen national. Is who we are.
That was an interesting piece, thank you. Something to think about.
Criminals !!
Tax is tithing and the government is a religion.
Wow what is congress gonna do about these citizens
Noithing
Citizens of other countries tend not to "love" their countries. They see citizenship as mainly accident of birth, and generally, certainly those in the EU (NOT including being British), are happy with their passports. There is now an exodus from both US and British passports, though for dissimilar reasons. These reasons are perfectly understandable. The most desireable passports to have these days are probably those of a member of the EU. I have long and noteable experience. Lived in the WAshington DC for three years in the mid to late sixties.Paradfoxically, used to sit next to Ronald Regan in our apartment swimming pool, one half of the Regan - Thatcher axis that started the unholy mess the US and UK are in now. Father was a British diplomat. When my parents went home, I stayed on and got a permit to work. Was immediately summoned by Uncle Sam for a medical before being drafted (Please note I was not a US citizen). For some unusual medical reason I failed - I got a 4F - but I returned to the UK anyway. I now live in the Netherlands as a naturalised Dutchman, and am very happy to be so as my former country has gone doo-lally, something foreseen by myself. The point I am trying to make is that people in the EU don't worship their nationality, or get emotionally overwrought when talking about it. John Le Carre, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, "I hate America George. the enslavement of the masses, institutionalised". I didn't understand that when I first read the book. Now I see it very clearly. Lack of affordable nealthcare and higher education, lack of vacation time etc. The country is delusional, gun and crime invested, and as the Covid virus will now show, totally unprepared for what has now come it's way. People will be out of their homes, jobs, work and luck. It has a military bigger than the rest seven combined, preaches the evils of socialism when not having a clue what socialism is and where and if it is practiced. (In the EU it's not, perhaps in Cuba?) And you ask why people are renouncing their citizenship? Ignorance is no excuse any more. Yes, the US is exceptional. Exceptionally bad. AND, I don't get some perverse sense of pleasure from writing all this. I am just trying to educate, however obnoxious that may be !
Okay. Propaganda. If your a citizen of the U.S. Corporation than you are subject to Taxes, all Statutes, Codes, Regulations, Ordnances. If you are a Citizen of one of the several states of the united states of America than you are not. If you will look on your driver's license, your registration, your Birth Certificate, your, SS Card, you will find your mis-spelled name spelled in all CAPITAL letters. The U.S. Corporation, and it's Franchise, whatever state you live in has turned you into a Corporation to and as a Corporation you must follow The Corporate rules, Statutes Codes, Regulations, and Ordnances. Take out one of your Paper Cheques/checks. Used or unused. Now get your Magnifying glass and look at what you think is your Signature line. Now what do you see. Fraud is the reason no one wants to a citizen. Slavery is why no one want to be a citizen.
I want to live elsewhere but I’m worried about learning a new language. I’m taking Latin in high school so that’s a head start I suppose? Really that’s my only concern. I’ll also miss my family. That’s about it. Those are the two reasons. I want a better life for myself, and if I change my mind about it, my kids. This is no place to raise a family. My mom tried to convince my to stay here by saying that there are people fighting to make the country better but it’s not enough. She probably just doesn’t want me to be too far away. I’m more worried that I won’t live to be old enough to leave. Wish me luck guys! Also if you have any country ideas, somewhere safe, somewhere immigrant friendly that would be great.
If you're actually in an immersive environment and go out of your way to speak the local language even if you speak at horribly, you will be able to speak well enough to get by after a couple months. Just don't try to use English
If I were you, I'd try to learn Spanish. One of the most easiest languages to learn. If you are from the US, with some effort, you'll be speaking Spanish in less than 3 months. Go to a Spanish speaking Country and you'll be fluently by year 1.
It's really only 5 Countries that speak English as their Native language: US, UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Everyone else uses it with their local tongues (ie: Tagalog and English for the Philippines. Kiro and English for Sierra Leone. Arabic and English for UAE etc.)
So it's best to go with a language that is widely spoken in the US, such as Spanish. Latin isn't widely spoken. Sure it'll help you with some Spanish but Spanish would be better.
THANK YOU DEMOCRATS.DOING WHAT YOU DO BEST SCREWING AMERICA CITIZENS
same for Australia, taxing income worldwide, increasing bureaucracy, its disgusting. Confessions of an Economic Hitman lays out US gov attitudes towards international business, I dare say they're expanding it towards their own people...
Just curious, what happens when you renounce your citizenship? Will they host country just accept them as citizens? Won't they be stateless?
Liou David Normally they'll already have another citizenship, or they're dropping US as a requirement to finalize the other.
Because of some convention from some time ago (maybe a Vienna convention, but I cannot be bothered to fact-check) countries cannot knowingly render an individual stateless. People are not allowed to renounce their citizenship should they not have another country to live in. People working at embassies will not allow you to do it; to allow one to proceed in such a situation would be ridiculous and discount any assumption that the individual wishing to renounce is operating with their full faculties.
@@Kyle-mo7bd Most countries don’t. US citizens are allowed to renounce their citizenship and become stateless. The US never signed the treaty to prevent stateless scenario.
@@user-ty8zq6cz1i In practice they do not let people renounce without proof of having citizenship of another country.
@@Kyle-mo7bd It might depend on the country where you apply. I read online that someone has done it successfully in South America, specifically Uruguay. He later applied for a travel document for stateless people issued by Uruguay.
It used to be a distinct advantage if you were a dual citizen, holding two passports in certain business and career opportunities.
"Oh, you have two passports and the company does not have to struggle with work permits work visas etc. for you? GREAT! You are hired! Sadly, that's the case NO MORE!
"The great hope is that somehow Congress can fix this..."
Don't hold your breath!
Just about the ONLY unanimous thing Congress can always agree on expeditiously is voting themselves a pay raise and when to go on their next vacation for how many weeks. Meanwhile, you as a "peon" just dare bringing up the subject to your American employer that you wanted to take two weeks, horribile dictu TREE weeks of vacation even you have accumulated eligibility of 4-5-6 weeks over the years working for them ... See how that goes with them.
There are many people in the US right now that should give up their citizenship but haven’t
Kendall Geiger request to have his citizenship took behind 1976 terrisom can it be done Mr Trump administration?
greed. The gov doesn't give a shit about anyone
When the guy said "if you have a U.S. passport you get taxed on everything". That statement is very mis-leading. Whether on purpose or not I can't say.
However,what I can say is that is false...as long as you fill out the passport application correctly.
You can still get a normal passport, without being a U.S citizen, as long as you are an American State National or an American State Citizen.
A U.S. citizen and/or a citizen of the United States, or a U.S. national, is not the same thing as being an American State Citizen or an American State National.
I love how the "news" NEVER talks about that difference, or NEVER has guests that talk about the difference.
You can have an American Passport, and not be a "taxpayer" or a" Transactor In Commerce".
It's why the legacy media companies, like this one, is already going extinct. Even if they themselves don't yet realize it.
I think the biggest problem is being double taxed on the same income.
Private property can not be taxed…..
It's not Citizenship . It is citizen-ship .
People will do well to start studying language (languish) and see how many contracts they have entered into by their own hand and Sign-nature.
Citizenship indicates that you’re operating under the crown of England. State nationalist is not
I ain't paying shit ..bye is all.
Germany also requires taxes from the citizens who do business in countries in Africa, Asia and South America.
where you got that? never heard of it
Yes, who do business. Not regular workers
There are countries where you can avoid the double tax, one is Britain.
You change your status from a citizen to a national status. you You remove yourself from the 14th amendment . You have to do this correctly and your affidavit has to say it correctly.
When greed comes first nothing gets fixed.
I am an American National not a citizen
And in actuality you have no obligations to follow State revised Statute either🤷♂️, those are for citizens
NO MORE HIGH TAX'S ty TRUMP
Us constitution says so, tax is against the constitution, corporations are supposed to be paying tax… tax means contribution, a gift… no law saying you must pay tax…..
Got my permanent resident visa for Panama. I wouldn't be a citizen of Panama...but it's a stepping stone to other passports. Def renouncing my US citizenship when I find a viable country to gain citizenship into aka english speakjng tax haven with a good standard of living and low cost of capital.
I too am a ready to retire middleclass american with thoughts of living as an expat internationally, but i have to return to the us every 6 months to continue receiving social security or lose it. After a life of living, working and paying a substantial amount of money into ssa, i fully expect to receive my benefits without issues. Is the 6 month requirement correct? What does that even mean? Physically showing up at ssa office every 6 months? As an older person, do i lose ssa if i’m unable to travel?
American people should change that the government is making it harder for people
Pay attenion they keep sayin American and U S citizen as if its one in the same and it isn't
Legislators should change this..funny how personal freedom isn't applied here
I was born here 50yrs ago and never had a problem and what ever is going on I let it be
America is a Corporation correct your political status and become an American national
@Bob on The Atlantic article.
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/boris-Johnson-renounces-us-citizenship-tax-bill-mayor-london/385554/
American tax law is incompatible with tax law in our adopted countries. For Americans abroad, US tax law restricts how we can invest for retirement on income that we earned entirely abroad, considers normal tax-free instruments in our adopted countries as foreign trusts, prevents us from saving for our children’s education, causes enormous everyday banking problems, and is so complex that it requires expensive cross-border tax experts that cost us thousands per year. It criminalizes us with penalties that are far in excess of what homeland Americans face. As a nation of immigrants, America was founded on the principle that those who came to the US seeking a better life should not have to pay taxes to the nations they left behind. Citizen-based taxation goes against the very foundations on which the Republic was formed. It is discriminatory, un-American and amoral. Sure, we can vote, but it is meaningless. France has elected members of its National Assembly that represent the interests of French citizens abroad. France values its expats more than America. This is shameful.
Any US persons living overseas caught up in all this must visit the message boards of The Isaac Brock Society: isaacbrocksociety.ca/ and consider contributing to ADCS: www.adcs-adsc.ca/ and fatcalegalaction.com/
If the people who leave the U.S. are honest, it's the taxes they have to pay while not living in the U.S. Yet, they still want the advantages that a United States citizenship and passport gives them, being the #1 country in the world. Some other country's passports are not accepted in just about every country in the world...but a United States passport is. Of the millions of people who live in the U.S.A., if only a maximum of around 3,000 a year decide they don't want the advantages of a U.S. passport, then that's OK. There are literally thousands of people every year who would do anything to be citizens of the United States, including crossing borders illegally. I wonder why? Maybe because it's a good place to be? If they are rich and they want to live in other countries, how did they get so rich in the 1st place? Using our U.S. free market system? I do agree that it would be a good idea if the U.S. would simplify it's taxes and paperwork required for its ex-pats, though; and it may be smart to lower them also.
Do what every other country does and tax on residency and not citizenship. Only Eritreia has this rule besides the US. As far as the paperwork is conserned look up return free filing. This is how its done in Sweden for instance, where the IRS does the taxes for you, you only need to confirm it. So taxes here takes 5 minutes at most per year.
I'd rather take UK citizenship than USA if I'm a billionaire
interesting.
The US government spends a lot of money protecting citizens overseas. Whenever there is a major crisis or violence, everyone wants to be a US citizen so they can be rescued.
rwcwalter 86 when i encountered a problem in the philippines which to me is life threatening the US embassy in manila was of no help whatsoever.
@@markledesma3251 im sorry to hear that. I have a friend who was a US citizen in Africa and was rescued by the US military when there was a rebel uprising. Im sure every experience is different, but in general the US spends a lot of money protecting citizens abroad
+Dee Cee If I remember what I've heard correctly, once you've renounced your US citizenship, it takes going through a _lot_ of hoops to regain it. Someone who has renounced her citizenship wouldn't just be able to say, "Oopsie, I changed my mind," at the first sign of trouble and become American again.
+Dee Cee Fair enough. 🙂
I am not American, but any functional country will try to help their citizens living abroad.
Racism.
Get educated people 😴. Either your an American or your a CITIZEN!
How about the death tax?