I spent a ton of money for my wife to play the Caledonians. This was over a long period of time but she absolutely loved the minis and idea of that army. I am truly and deeply heartbroken to have wasted that money and to see my wife uspet over this. There was zero need to remove caledonians. I am seriously considering writing a letter to cover belli. Several letters. I am traveling to Spain next year and I really wish we could go see their office and hand deliver my sad "please bring back caledonians as just playable or at least create a legends mode" letter to them there.
Corregidor saw a lot of changes. Killer hacker intruder has infiltrate and bandits picked up a mine layer profile si might be able to pull off a bit of a camo list. Lobos saw a big tune up making 9pt diablos regular not sure if it makes them viable but definitely much better than they were.
Yes, that the Corgies did, we even got the Anaconda, which is a thing! There are certainly some interesting combinations ahead. And I am not 100% that Diablos can or should be saved, to be honest!
The characters in White Banner got a massive boost. In addition to Chief Engineer Jeong, So-Ra Kwon has better guns and Minelayer, Lei Gong became a human fighter jet, Qiang Gao is basically immune to hacking, and Jing Qo got shock immune and Berserk. Fear the wrath of Huangdi!
I think techbee is side grade from N4. She became regular and getting a lot of gears might be better for herself. However, her job in N4 was warcor #2 with gizmo kit, so being irregular and lack of gears wasn’t issue. We have to wait she is actually better or worse, but I can confidently say that there will be cases people miss 5pt techbee, especially with Joan.
ALEPH in general got really hurt. Achilles was the least issue. Steel Phalanx saw whole links that are going to loose cover because of frenzy, with no upsides. And lost all the eclipses. And all the smoke grenades are at +0 instead of +3. And the HD Missile launcher is gone too. Asuras are still the nearly useless MSV 3. The other 2 units in the game have a weapon that can actually make good use out of it, asuras have... a spitfire. Costing nearly 60 pts. The hacker is still the one usable, but that one comes with a MULTI Rifle. Its just too expensive for anything. Yadus got cheaper. Maybe, *maybe this time they will be cheap enough to compete with dakinis. But dakinis are just so efficient that it is hard to.
@thedicegodswg a nerf to sp and sp models was expected. Removing all of sp but two from vanilla, stripping all AP weapons but three from vanilla, removing all eclipse, and several others was not. In return, you get a small discount to maruts and asuras, and asuras get to shoot at camo again at penalty. The rest is all minor buffs to units that were in the bottom 25% that boosted them to the previous bottom 40%. Okay, but every other army got buffs instead of big removals. I was very much ok with the achilles squad being gone, the mercs disappearing from vanilla, and sp character nerfs. But this feels a bit throwing out several babies with two drops of bathwater.
Overall im happy with the MO changes. N4 was a little depressing trying to get them to work.especially vs nomad hacker walls that my friend loved doing... ptsd inducing thats for certain... I would of liked to see the Montessa have the grenade launcher profile like in n3. Or even just a few more grenade options overall. But the new toys will be most welcome to the mix.
Ariadna has got beat senselss with that stick. Nerfing the Bear? fine. But every single doggy as well? So much stuff has the no cover rule. I hate that. Except in a pure move of GW level twattery the new Robowolf does get cover. Give that six months and bet they nerf it. I dislike it (i reserve the right to change my mind after getting some games in), because if stuff cant use cover, then thats a massive part of the game (scenery) you cant interact with as much. Its no wonder the Caledonians went away, loads of them forgot to duck and got shot to death. Given Ariadna are now mostly jusy Russians, that entirely unrealistic. On a positive note, i was unaware you could pull your old lists into updated N5 version. It does put things into a different persepctive when you can fit another couple of guys into a list that was crammed full. I was pissed at what they did to the Avatar, but plenty of points are now free to throw in an Imetron that wasnt there before, plus some other toys. Orders will be ok (i think, maybe, fingers crossed).
Milltary orders knight. Point shift does not solve the fundamental problems of not being able to be pure out side of that specific type (Ex. Hospitallers). Teutonic knights are probably the only winners. Everything I have seen for them is geared to playing the Seraph. CB apparently did learn from TB.
Duo link gets the +1 SD when pure and Santiago's and Montesa's have that as a knight fire team. Teutons remain Harris able and get the dodge out of it as pure. Hospitaller's remain the main core knight team naturally but even the KoJ can pure duo for the + 1 AD as they are Max 2 on wild card. I'm also wondering what knight teams you where wanting if im honest?
@@OldManRogers I was hoping we'd get more for the Asura, as she was already very weak in CC and now CC is generally deadlier. Sucks even more now that the Mk 3 posthuman is gone
So I'm brand new and decided to get into MO because i love the theme but idk all the in depth stuff. Ik that in N4 they were seen as a weaker pano sectorial. Has that changed in N5? *edit* aight you got to it 😂
Its good content and Im powering through but about to drop due to all the heavy inhales, slurps and lip slaps. Maybe its my headphones profile but they are so present. Again, good content otherwise.
My favorite thing is Shang Ji-sus got promoted to Liutenant 😂 Edit: Also just Shang Ji in general, got lots of fun little bonuses like bigger jump, all get Tac Aware, extra armor, and AP cc weapons. Feels like a nice gradual upgrade.
I spent a ton of money for my wife to play the Caledonians. This was over a long period of time but she absolutely loved the minis and idea of that army. I am truly and deeply heartbroken to have wasted that money and to see my wife uspet over this. There was zero need to remove caledonians. I am seriously considering writing a letter to cover belli. Several letters. I am traveling to Spain next year and I really wish we could go see their office and hand deliver my sad "please bring back caledonians as just playable or at least create a legends mode" letter to them there.
Corregidor saw a lot of changes. Killer hacker intruder has infiltrate and bandits picked up a mine layer profile si might be able to pull off a bit of a camo list.
Lobos saw a big tune up making 9pt diablos regular not sure if it makes them viable but definitely much better than they were.
Yes, that the Corgies did, we even got the Anaconda, which is a thing! There are certainly some interesting combinations ahead.
And I am not 100% that Diablos can or should be saved, to be honest!
The characters in White Banner got a massive boost. In addition to Chief Engineer Jeong, So-Ra Kwon has better guns and Minelayer, Lei Gong became a human fighter jet, Qiang Gao is basically immune to hacking, and Jing Qo got shock immune and Berserk. Fear the wrath of Huangdi!
As it should be...
I think techbee is side grade from N4. She became regular and getting a lot of gears might be better for herself. However, her job in N4 was warcor #2 with gizmo kit, so being irregular and lack of gears wasn’t issue. We have to wait she is actually better or worse, but I can confidently say that there will be cases people miss 5pt techbee, especially with Joan.
Yes, in the niche case of Joan, she will be missed, 100%
Yadus may be cheap enough to use. They even get a zero-vis zone deployer with a disco baller.
Thry just got viable and more scary.
Szalamandra's drop in PH does not affect its CC damage though like you said. CC damage is now discoupled from PH.
Blimey, you're right! How did I miss that one?!? Thanks!
I would say that the unit that got the biggest boost is the Rodok, two base rule changes made the unit go from complete garbage to actually viable.
The hacker profile looks amazing
Fair point, well made... jumping monkeys for everyone then?
meanwhile, in vanilla aleph:
look how they massacred my boy
He had it coming...
Not just the Greek boys, where did the Mk 3 posthuman go?? 😭
ALEPH in general got really hurt. Achilles was the least issue.
Steel Phalanx saw whole links that are going to loose cover because of frenzy, with no upsides. And lost all the eclipses. And all the smoke grenades are at +0 instead of +3. And the HD Missile launcher is gone too.
Asuras are still the nearly useless MSV 3. The other 2 units in the game have a weapon that can actually make good use out of it, asuras have... a spitfire. Costing nearly 60 pts. The hacker is still the one usable, but that one comes with a MULTI Rifle. Its just too expensive for anything.
Yadus got cheaper. Maybe, *maybe this time they will be cheap enough to compete with dakinis. But dakinis are just so efficient that it is hard to.
@@Wyrmnax The discount and slight buffs to the Marut were definitely needed though
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@thedicegodswg a nerf to sp and sp models was expected.
Removing all of sp but two from vanilla, stripping all AP weapons but three from vanilla, removing all eclipse, and several others was not.
In return, you get a small discount to maruts and asuras, and asuras get to shoot at camo again at penalty. The rest is all minor buffs to units that were in the bottom 25% that boosted them to the previous bottom 40%. Okay, but every other army got buffs instead of big removals.
I was very much ok with the achilles squad being gone, the mercs disappearing from vanilla, and sp character nerfs. But this feels a bit throwing out several babies with two drops of bathwater.
Overall im happy with the MO changes. N4 was a little depressing trying to get them to work.especially vs nomad hacker walls that my friend loved doing... ptsd inducing thats for certain...
I would of liked to see the Montessa have the grenade launcher profile like in n3.
Or even just a few more grenade options overall.
But the new toys will be most welcome to the mix.
It'll be interesting to see how they do now. Here's hoping the win rare comes up!
I too have a Nomad friend... I know the pain l.
you didn't touch on the amazing buffs of the Hai Dao
Well, i was trying not to make it an hour long love letter to IA!
@thedicegodswg I am an IA player and jumped in joy when I saw the changes
@@thedicegodswg to be fair IA did get some love, but I feel they need something done for their Fireteams and options in generally.
Sorry to say that Ariadna got the shorter stick. No hi and no tsgs so prices are almost the same as in n3-n4.
Ariadna has got beat senselss with that stick. Nerfing the Bear? fine. But every single doggy as well? So much stuff has the no cover rule. I hate that. Except in a pure move of GW level twattery the new Robowolf does get cover. Give that six months and bet they nerf it.
I dislike it (i reserve the right to change my mind after getting some games in), because if stuff cant use cover, then thats a massive part of the game (scenery) you cant interact with as much.
Its no wonder the Caledonians went away, loads of them forgot to duck and got shot to death. Given Ariadna are now mostly jusy Russians, that entirely unrealistic.
On a positive note, i was unaware you could pull your old lists into updated N5 version. It does put things into a different persepctive when you can fit another couple of guys into a list that was crammed full. I was pissed at what they did to the Avatar, but plenty of points are now free to throw in an Imetron that wasnt there before, plus some other toys. Orders will be ok (i think, maybe, fingers crossed).
Remember, change is coming soon for ariadna
Veteran kasaks are 42 pts a pop how is that fair. Similar units for other factions are about 27!
@@Nyroos Are they hackable? Vet kazzys arent.
I do find it quite odd they dropped tacaware from Szalamandra. Zeta lost it too so maybe it's because they have HRMCs.
I would guess so, the HRMC is a beast at the best of times...
Cutter and the Avatar also lost Tac Aware.
They gained NCO
Milltary orders knight. Point shift does not solve the fundamental problems of not being able to be pure out side of that specific type (Ex. Hospitallers). Teutonic knights are probably the only winners. Everything I have seen for them is geared to playing the Seraph. CB apparently did learn from TB.
I've never seen that as an issue, though. What knight pure teams would you want to run?
Duo link gets the +1 SD when pure and Santiago's and Montesa's have that as a knight fire team. Teutons remain Harris able and get the dodge out of it as pure.
Hospitaller's remain the main core knight team naturally but even the KoJ can pure duo for the + 1 AD as they are Max 2 on wild card.
I'm also wondering what knight teams you where wanting if im honest?
Morans were already competitively costed lol. Wonder how OSS will pan out as well as new JSA
@@OldManRogers I was hoping we'd get more for the Asura, as she was already very weak in CC and now CC is generally deadlier.
Sucks even more now that the Mk 3 posthuman is gone
I am thinking that could be an error?
OSS looks good, to be honest. Playing with some lists at the moment in fact...
The avatar got hit kinda hard
Ish. It could have been worse, tbh, but it is in line with others which lost tac aware
So I'm brand new and decided to get into MO because i love the theme but idk all the in depth stuff. Ik that in N4 they were seen as a weaker pano sectorial. Has that changed in N5? *edit* aight you got to it 😂
Haha did indeed! Expect more "soon".
Its good content and Im powering through but about to drop due to all the heavy inhales, slurps and lip slaps. Maybe its my headphones profile but they are so present.
Again, good content otherwise.
Fair enough, I will aim to edit more out.
My favorite thing is Shang Ji-sus got promoted to Liutenant 😂
Edit: Also just Shang Ji in general, got lots of fun little bonuses like bigger jump, all get Tac Aware, extra armor, and AP cc weapons. Feels like a nice gradual upgrade.
And well deserved
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Moran is cheaper, but ava1 in vannila 😢
Ah no, means one less auto-include, hiw will we cope?!
Szally lost TA and PH has nothing to do with CC anymore.
Yup, indeed
Really back into Infinity with N5. Though I don't like the new save roll.
Welcome back! Fair enough, it is a big change, but it does make the system more consistent.