Yeah, I hate when writers try to add more "depth" to a female character by making her a prostitute or some sort of sex worker in the past. It's like they can't think of anything else except that. And the whole Wolverine hitting on a minor thing is disgusting. He may have a teenagers body however, his mind was that of an adult. It wasn't cute and it made the hero into some type of dude who Chris Hansen would ask to take a seat.
To be fair, originally he was supposed to be a teenager, or at least look like one. Chris Claremont imagined him as a bisexual (A lot of Claremont's characters were queer as originally intended, and it was an open secret. Hell, for a long time, "mutant" in non-Marvel works was a way to say "Oh, this dude likes other dudes." Exhibit A, Teen Titans' Jericho.) teenager with a chip on his shoulder. Later writers decided to give him a crap ton of children, apparently taking a cue from Batman. (Also the overexposure.) So you start seeing characters like Daken. Like, Marvel really mocked themselves here in Marville, with Wolverine being the first human.
Wolvie is like 400 years old, finding a girl in his age group is more than a little tricky. Also, they don't do that to add depth to a character. The characters already have depth. They make them prostitutes to add tragedy to them.
Imagine being as old as Wolverine, everyone is basically a child to you. That would suck so much. The cosmic version of Chris Hansen would be coming by for a chat.
I can only speak for the Cyclops stories but when he started doing stupid stuff it was 100% because the writer didn't like the character. Until the late 90s at least Scott Summers was a freaking boy scout that would trade honorable war stories with Steve Rogers.
@@robertpaige4505 he had no choice with Nate and ultimately through time travel/body swap nonsense he raised him anyway. Can't remember details about Jean but I'm pretty sure that was once they started trying to destroy his character.
@@robertpaige4505 Except he didn't. He told Madeline he would be back after he confirmed Jean was alive. When he returned a couple days later, Madeline had already left.
The Wolverine Mary Jane thing has a plus side to it Mary Jane wanting to save herself till she's older is quite refreshing A mature decision made by a teenager that shows respect for herself and others.
Yeah, I thought that issue was pretty funny actually. Wolverine flirts with anyone too. Probably didn't realize MJ was 15, but that doesn't excuse his behavior.
So as usual, the Cyclops/Frost one needs some out of universe context. Joe Quesada, who ran the show at the time, was a die-hard Cyclops fan. But during Grant Morrison's run, he was going through a messy divorce with his red-headed wife IRL. It was later found he had a mistress... who was a platinum blonde. You can't make this shit up. "Here Comes Tomorrow", Morrison's final story, was modified to have Cyclops and Frost get together, when Morrison's original vision would have Jean come back from the dead sooner. The modification to the story ordered by... Quesada. Morrison quit Marvel over this.
So marvel comics had editorial mandates to screw with the love lives of beloved characters, because the boss had a rough divorce and was working through his Madonna-Whore complex...Damn.
And let's not forget Madeline Pryor. The woman he married because she reminded him of Jean (probably because she was a Sinister clone). And then *abandons* her, when he discovers Jean is alive.
In the ultimate Spider-Man show, they did an homage to this I think. There was a body swap episode between Spidey and Wolverine and in that one Wolverine kept calling her “Red” and pinned her against a wall at some point, to which MJ responded with wtf is wrong with you😂
I disagree about Sue in the Fantastic Four. The point of that whole thing was to make her come out of it realizing how strong she was and changing her name finally to The Invisible Woman instead of Girl (after 20 years!). The criticisms of that storyline are small in comparison with the good that came from it. It's reaching for things people might be bothered by.
Since no other comment has mentioned it yet, the Leather Boy/Monkey Joe plotline in GLA had multiple levels of satire involved that must have gone missed by the list maker (who may not have read the actual story before making said list). 1. In Squirrel Girl's first appearance, she and Monkey Joe defeated Doctor Doom. When Monkey Joe is killed, the reader initially is led to believe that this is Doctor Doom coming back to avenge his previous humiliation. 2. The GLA miniseries came out shortly after the Mark Waid/Mike Wieringo story arc in Fantastic Four where Doctor Doom wears a leather suit and mask instead of body armor. So Doctor Doom being unmasked as a disguised Leather Boy is supposed to be a punchline at the expense of that FF storyline. 3. Most importantly, the defiling and murder of Monkey Joe was Dan Slott's way of parodying the way Sue Digby's defiling and murder was handled in the pages of Identity Crisis. Besides the "unnatural acts," Flatman reveals during the autopsy that Monkey Joe was burned alive and had a footprint on his brain (Men's Size 12), just like Sue Digby. To drive the point home, when Leather Boy is unmasked from his Doctor Doom disguise, his real name is announced as Gene Lorrene, an obvious word play on Sue Digby's murderer in Identity Crisis, Jean Loring. Long story short, Dan Slott's intention wasn't to be inappropriate. He was using his humor series to comment on how the story arc in Identity Crisis was inappropriate. You specifically get this commentary when Squirrel Girl reacts to the news of the "unnatural acts." She says "What?! That's SICK! Who would do that? And put it in a comic book?! Who'd wanna read about somebody dying...LIKE THAT?!"
Wanda becomes a villain after losing her kids she thought up and its seen as terrifying, sue does it after losing her child and its seen as bad taste, doesn't seem quite fair
You're right Wanda did a big f you to the avengers and The X-Men plus the mutant race by changing reality were both hers twin are alive and real but when the heroes arise and regain their memories of the old reality she has made a Mass genocide of the mutual race
No, is was the Darkhold that turned her into the Scarlet Witch. Her lost children was just the crux it used to make her do its bidding. Its pretty clear in Dr Strange 2 that she doesn't even really believe the reasoning as she refuses to look at the logic of the situation and how little it takes to break the "hold" the book has over her at the end. If she had control and was not under the corrupt influence of the book she could easily just create the kids again just as she does with the fake version of herself and where she is living.
The ultimate universe existed as an excuse to be more 'edgy, the plot of wolverine, being over 100 years old, seducing a 15 year old in another body us messed up and goes against the mainline wolverines moral code, but since its an alternate reality story it can be overlooked
@@MrOrcshaman Yes. Just say the words 'Wanda and Pietro sleeping together, and the Ultimates calling Cap out on not approving' and that's the Ultimates line right there.
Lil detail left out of that Hulk thing was how Cap motivated him to eat Kiser. He told Hulk that Kiser tried to get with Betty or something 😒 Yep. That's what happened That's top tier writing right there
*Captain America*: "You see these spacecraft in the sky? The big triangular machines? Well, I was talking to the pilots earlier and you know what they told me? You know what they were saying about you, Hulk? These guys called you a sissy boy, buddy. You really gonna let them get away with that?" *Hulk*: "NO! HULK NOT SISSY BOY! HULK STRAIGHT!"
If you find out a guy tried to bang your girl and you don't beat the shit out of him, eat him, and shit him out, you need to go get checked for low-T, buddy.
@@JoveJoved You joke, but what about Bruce Banner almost being raped in the shower at the YMCA in 1980 for an inappropriate storyline? Someone at Marvel apparently wanted to dredge that up again.
Decent deep dive, had a few things I wasn't aware of, but there's still no mention of the origin of Mandrill/Nekra or the time Bruce Banner was nearly assaulted at the YMCA.
Oh gosh yes. They're terrible. The YMCA one is pretty disgusting. It was disgusting at the time, it doesn't even have the excuse of seeing the past through modern day lenses.
@@thezabgoth7426 I don't remember but either way it's a very... disturbing scene. In all sorts of ways. I mean, rape is disturbing alone but it's disturbing that the writer went 'This is what gays do.' Absolutely abhorrent and outdated even then. And I'm a BIG advocate of leaving material in it's historical context without edits, so we can judge and learn from the past. I don't believe in changing history. But this would be one of the candidates if I wanted to. I still wouldn't as we need to learn from things like this that people were casually homophobic and we need to understand why the gay community might have reason to be afraid to be 'out', even in a world that now accepts that, in the main.
@@JeremiahEcks777 iirc this was also the era of Reagan's dismissal of the rising HIV epidemic. So much so, he didn't attend the funeral of his friend Rock Hudson. So sad to be chasing political favor so hard that you won't be seen burying a friend.
6:35 Did Marvel get this story to be in Iron Man: Armored Adventures???? 10:03 and this from The Ultimate Spider-Man show???? Cuz the sorta same thing happened
Ikr about the iron man part but yes, THAT Wolverine and Mary Jane scene in Ultimate Spider Man was based on the infamous scene in the comics where wolverine takes advantage of being in Peter’s body
i tried to find this comic 5:43 out of curiosity ended up finding iron man being eatin alive from his own armor and the world getting destroyed really weird comic....
You do the Nightcrawler storyline a disservice: The bad guys trying to install him as Pope (via holographic disguise, not shapeshifting) was the least stupidly-impossible part of their plot. Leaving out that elevating Kurt through the ranks to get him in position for _consideration_ would take decades (at best), their plan was to make Kurt the Pope, having him appear during a big Mass ceremony (Easter or Passover, I forget which), then simultaneously simulate the Rapture (Which isn't a part of Catholic dogma) by disintegrating people with tricked out communion wafers AND have Kurt's image inducer fail, revealing him as a "demon" in disguise, which would set humanity against mutantkind (and not Catholicism). It was, in short, Captial-D DUMB.
I thought that was cool how they made Laura Kenny's storyline not every comic book story can be rainbows and sunshine it brings a certain realism to it which I thought was awesome if they were super careful about every single thing like you want them to be most of the stories would be trash.
And I don't understand how she couldn't be beloved and have that storyline at the same time that's like saying every girl that gets into that line of work whether they wanted to or not isn't deserving of love.
@@partofthetribe3277 Yeah, one of the X-Men at the time was a hooker. At least, she was a stripper in the First Class movie but IIRC Angel was a hooker in the comics. I get Angel and Stacy X mixed up though. I might have it all wrong. I stopped reading after Morrison started writing Cyclops well out of character and missed all this stuff.
@@partofthetribe3277 Not because that would make her unlikable as a person but because the over the top edgy storyline could have very well deterred readers.
Ooh...still haven't watched...do you have any of the weird spiderman ones, like spider killing MJ with his radioactive juices, or the green goblin sleeping with Gwen
@@lightdragoon88 You beat me to it. Is there any other story that has as much scorn in the fan community? Even those who prefer single Spidey hate that story.
Isn't 19 the age of consent in every state? I mean I get why it's creepy for someone much older to be with a girl that age because they're all very malleable and impressionable with it and are ready to throw out all their values and goals or whatever just to mold themselves into what they think their boyfriend will like so it is creepy regardless but I'm pretty sure that's of legal age in every state.
And I'm sure the idea of having air sex in front of her Mum (or any Mum for that matter!) is also allowed in every state. It doesn't stop this being weird creepy and inappropriate.
Uh, regards to the 3:19 point, how is that Scott's fault. Seriously, Emma was acting as his therapist at the time and telepathically banged him without his permission. She used a position of power of him to essentially have her way with him and he's still getting crap for it in and out of universe. I'm usually a big fan of your videos and all in all it's a decent one, but I think there's some victim blaming going on in this one. Why is it Scott's fault? Just cause he's the guy? Yeah, the character has done some seriously stupid stuff over the years, but this one ain't on him.
Punisher changing race? That's on here? Thunderbolts put someone in a machine to change colors. A LOT of characters are now different. Let alone the cultural replacement of sex switching. Look at eternals movie alone. Or google how many female replacements in Flash alone. I bet over 15. They are more worried about agenda over stories. Or fans. Create new characters without screwing up a team by making them have to be part of it. The people you think you are going to get as new readers never do buy it. And you lose some.
I couldn't agree more. Virtue signalling in comics never gets new fans. It only ends in 'awards' being offered in various lobbies and gets a bit of 'positive' online press but actually those people who write those articles and offer awards don't actually read comics or most media because they're busy doing other things. In the meantime, I'll be dropping your comics and saving money over here.
5:30 touchy much? It's exactly why the character is what it is and why there is still some residual good faith in marvel. It is on the heavy side but it's not like those things dont happen in real life and it's why people are able to form strong attachments due to empathy. Well written character.
Now I’m annoyed with marvel and Jean grey. Causing Logan and Pete to mind swap for why? Cause Logan loves to flirt. Seriously? Couldn’t think of anything else? Then the race swap thing. Why was that a pitch?
I'm not sure any of these storylines are exactly stellar but if the idea is that comic book characters should never do anything bizarre or unhealthy then you are going to be losing part of what makes them so interesting.
I mean, you're welcome to have Angel and Husk having sex in front of her mother and Wolverine knowingly hitting on a minor whilst I'm happy to take Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past, The Kree-Skrull War, Onslaught, Secret Invasion, etc. 🤷♂️
i mean scott was the man that left his wife and kid to go see his ex and abandoned them till his wife turn into a deman queen and his kid got stolen away from him and sent into the future. has anyone ever mention comics are weird yet?
I hated the early 2000s era of comics, everyone tried entirely too hard to be edgy. Grant Morrison tried to turn the X-Men into Doom Patrol. Mark Millar turned The Avengers into The Authority in Ultimates. Then once Marvel movies became box office hits, they started charging the comics to be more like the movies
WokeCulture Put a kiss near a grave on the list but still didn't Put "Spider-woman fighting while being pregnant". I guess feelings of a dead person are more important than the safety of unborn child.
I personally do not think catholicism is as extreme as people thunk, because a majority of the things we have today are a result of catholicism and Christianity as a whole.
You use the word inappropriate, but I don't think that word means what you think it means. None of these story lines have anything wrong with them. They're tragic sure, some are exploring high minded ideas, others are just dark. But none of it s inappropriate.
DC makes Lois Lane black for one issue. Fans: I can't believe they thought that was Ok back then, what a fucked up time. Marvel makes The Punisher black for one story arc Fans: How in this day and age could they possibly think that was a good idea. Marvel makes Betsy Braddock asian in the 70's and doesn't change her back until just a couple years ago. Fans: Put her back, put her back. There was nothing wrong with that.
Um, please tell me when you say leatherboy committed unnatural acts on Monkey Joe you mean he raised him from the dead as a zombie or something else not weird. Cause if its what im thinking im gonna be sick. In fact at that point dont tell me. Let me live in ignorance
Honestly that Iron Man story is good. I think it has a strong, typical marvel turnabout. I think everybody was ready for Scott to move on from Jean for christsake; also White Queen's had a lot of character development, if not clothes. That Wolverine/Spider-man, Mary Jane planned it thing... very yuck The brutal way comics fumble race stuff over and over must really dissappoint minority fans
*Captain America*: "You see these spacecraft in the sky? The big triangular machines? Well, I was talking to the pilots earlier and you know what they told me? You know what they were saying about you, Hulk? These guys called you a sissy boy, buddy. You really gonna let them get away with that?" *Hulk*: "NO! HULK NOT SISSY BOY! HULK STRAIGHT!" Surprised, WokeCuckture weren't triggered more by that scene.
I didn't even know that Reed and Doc Ock were a thing!? And they were having a baby! All while Sue is pregnant with Reed's kid!? Sick! It's prescient of Dolt 45's pornstar payoff controversy (no the other one) and totally reprehensible. Sue could do so much better!
@@TTLOSF Because some of there stuff is good, but these lists are just them being Feminist cucks. How many "top 10 inappropriate scenes in movies" type vids have they done that featured Alice Eves scene in "Star Trek Into Darkness" when Alice herself has said it was no big deal to do, and pointed out Chris Pine has his shirt off several times in the movie.
Yeah,
I hate when writers try to add more "depth" to a female character by making her a prostitute or some sort of sex worker in the past. It's like they can't think of anything else except that.
And the whole Wolverine hitting on a minor thing is disgusting. He may have a teenagers body however, his mind was that of an adult. It wasn't cute and it made the hero into some type of dude who Chris Hansen would ask to take a seat.
To be fair, originally he was supposed to be a teenager, or at least look like one. Chris Claremont imagined him as a bisexual (A lot of Claremont's characters were queer as originally intended, and it was an open secret. Hell, for a long time, "mutant" in non-Marvel works was a way to say "Oh, this dude likes other dudes." Exhibit A, Teen Titans' Jericho.) teenager with a chip on his shoulder.
Later writers decided to give him a crap ton of children, apparently taking a cue from Batman. (Also the overexposure.) So you start seeing characters like Daken. Like, Marvel really mocked themselves here in Marville, with Wolverine being the first human.
Wolvie is like 400 years old, finding a girl in his age group is more than a little tricky. Also, they don't do that to add depth to a character. The characters already have depth. They make them prostitutes to add tragedy to them.
@@johnaeryns5364
True however, Mary Jane was a teenager versus actual women. Sure he's much older however, the women would still be adults.
Cry more ❄️
Imagine being as old as Wolverine, everyone is basically a child to you. That would suck so much. The cosmic version of Chris Hansen would be coming by for a chat.
Frank Castle was just a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude!
Sounds like the writers went full retard that day.
That was a PERFECT reference thanks for that I needed that laugh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
YOU SON OF A B****, YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!!
A fellow man of taste I see
He was a lead farmer mothafucka :-D
I can only speak for the Cyclops stories but when he started doing stupid stuff it was 100% because the writer didn't like the character. Until the late 90s at least Scott Summers was a freaking boy scout that would trade honorable war stories with Steve Rogers.
If I could go back in time I would kill that person who ruined Scott.
As long as you leave out the part about his abandoning his wife and son the moment he found out Jean Gray was alive...
@@robertpaige4505 he had no choice with Nate and ultimately through time travel/body swap nonsense he raised him anyway.
Can't remember details about Jean but I'm pretty sure that was once they started trying to destroy his character.
@@robertpaige4505 Except he didn't. He told Madeline he would be back after he confirmed Jean was alive. When he returned a couple days later, Madeline had already left.
The Wolverine Mary Jane thing has a plus side to it
Mary Jane wanting to save herself till she's older is quite refreshing
A mature decision made by a teenager that shows respect for herself and others.
Better that she came to that decision on her own instead of being told lies about what happens if she doesn't.
Wolverine and Mary Jane no no no
Yeah, I thought that issue was pretty funny actually. Wolverine flirts with anyone too. Probably didn't realize MJ was 15, but that doesn't excuse his behavior.
So as usual, the Cyclops/Frost one needs some out of universe context.
Joe Quesada, who ran the show at the time, was a die-hard Cyclops fan. But during Grant Morrison's run, he was going through a messy divorce with his red-headed wife IRL. It was later found he had a mistress... who was a platinum blonde.
You can't make this shit up.
"Here Comes Tomorrow", Morrison's final story, was modified to have Cyclops and Frost get together, when Morrison's original vision would have Jean come back from the dead sooner. The modification to the story ordered by... Quesada. Morrison quit Marvel over this.
So marvel comics had editorial mandates to screw with the love lives of beloved characters, because the boss had a rough divorce and was working through his Madonna-Whore complex...Damn.
And let's not forget Madeline Pryor. The woman he married because she reminded him of Jean (probably because she was a Sinister clone). And then *abandons* her, when he discovers Jean is alive.
In the ultimate Spider-Man show, they did an homage to this I think. There was a body swap episode between Spidey and Wolverine and in that one Wolverine kept calling her “Red” and pinned her against a wall at some point, to which MJ responded with wtf is wrong with you😂
I remember that episode! Great and hilarious episode. Thanks for the reminder. 😁
And they did it again, with the Hulk.
I disagree about Sue in the Fantastic Four. The point of that whole thing was to make her come out of it realizing how strong she was and changing her name finally to The Invisible Woman instead of Girl (after 20 years!). The criticisms of that storyline are small in comparison with the good that came from it. It's reaching for things people might be bothered by.
Since no other comment has mentioned it yet, the Leather Boy/Monkey Joe plotline in GLA had multiple levels of satire involved that must have gone missed by the list maker (who may not have read the actual story before making said list).
1. In Squirrel Girl's first appearance, she and Monkey Joe defeated Doctor Doom. When Monkey Joe is killed, the reader initially is led to believe that this is Doctor Doom coming back to avenge his previous humiliation.
2. The GLA miniseries came out shortly after the Mark Waid/Mike Wieringo story arc in Fantastic Four where Doctor Doom wears a leather suit and mask instead of body armor. So Doctor Doom being unmasked as a disguised Leather Boy is supposed to be a punchline at the expense of that FF storyline.
3. Most importantly, the defiling and murder of Monkey Joe was Dan Slott's way of parodying the way Sue Digby's defiling and murder was handled in the pages of Identity Crisis. Besides the "unnatural acts," Flatman reveals during the autopsy that Monkey Joe was burned alive and had a footprint on his brain (Men's Size 12), just like Sue Digby. To drive the point home, when Leather Boy is unmasked from his Doctor Doom disguise, his real name is announced as Gene Lorrene, an obvious word play on Sue Digby's murderer in Identity Crisis, Jean Loring.
Long story short, Dan Slott's intention wasn't to be inappropriate. He was using his humor series to comment on how the story arc in Identity Crisis was inappropriate. You specifically get this commentary when Squirrel Girl reacts to the news of the "unnatural acts." She says "What?! That's SICK! Who would do that? And put it in a comic book?! Who'd wanna read about somebody dying...LIKE THAT?!"
It was me, Barry! Oh wait, wrong Universe.
Not that it matters since Reverse Flash can literally travel to any Universe he wants
Wanda becomes a villain after losing her kids she thought up and its seen as terrifying, sue does it after losing her child and its seen as bad taste, doesn't seem quite fair
You're right Wanda did a big f you to the avengers and The X-Men plus the mutant race by changing reality were both hers twin are alive and real but when the heroes arise and regain their memories of the old reality she has made a Mass genocide of the mutual race
Cuz of how ridiculous she looks
it was a lot more well done in Wandas case imo
No, is was the Darkhold that turned her into the Scarlet Witch. Her lost children was just the crux it used to make her do its bidding. Its pretty clear in Dr Strange 2 that she doesn't even really believe the reasoning as she refuses to look at the logic of the situation and how little it takes to break the "hold" the book has over her at the end.
If she had control and was not under the corrupt influence of the book she could easily just create the kids again just as she does with the fake version of herself and where she is living.
Yeah everything with Wanda in MOM was basically character assassination to the tea
hulk cannibalism was just disgusting
Hulk is not the only cannibal in the Ultimate universe... The Blob was also until... It bit him back.
The ultimate universe existed as an excuse to be more 'edgy, the plot of wolverine, being over 100 years old, seducing a 15 year old in another body us messed up and goes against the mainline wolverines moral code, but since its an alternate reality story it can be overlooked
alternate reality stories often suck for this reason. Also no one cares if people die so there is always this guarantee of pointless deaths
Also ultimates wolverine had sex with a 19 year old Jean Grey
@@allstardawn6062 that series was just a complete butchering of beloved characters
@@MrOrcshaman Yes. Just say the words 'Wanda and Pietro sleeping together, and the Ultimates calling Cap out on not approving' and that's the Ultimates line right there.
Yea, the main Wolverine isn't a Wolverine that would have a run in with Chris Hansen.
I thought Cyclops and Frost had sex on Jean Gray's grave the way he phrased it lol
Talks about storylines that were downright stomach turning: Shows Cyclops kissing the White Queen.
Perfect! 10 out of 10 list.
Lil detail left out of that Hulk thing was how Cap motivated him to eat Kiser.
He told Hulk that Kiser tried to get with Betty or something
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Yep. That's what happened
That's top tier writing right there
Comic book writers are weird.
*Captain America*: "You see these spacecraft in the sky? The big triangular machines? Well, I was talking to the pilots earlier and you know what they told me? You know what they were saying about you, Hulk? These guys called you a sissy boy, buddy. You really gonna let them get away with that?"
*Hulk*: "NO! HULK NOT SISSY BOY! HULK STRAIGHT!"
If you find out a guy tried to bang your girl and you don't beat the shit out of him, eat him, and shit him out, you need to go get checked for low-T, buddy.
You want Hulk to kill someone, just say they did something to Betty or Rick. But this seems a bit much.
@@JoveJoved You joke, but what about Bruce Banner almost being raped in the shower at the YMCA in 1980 for an inappropriate storyline?
Someone at Marvel apparently wanted to dredge that up again.
Decent deep dive, had a few things I wasn't aware of, but there's still no mention of the origin of Mandrill/Nekra or the time Bruce Banner was nearly assaulted at the YMCA.
Oh gosh yes. They're terrible. The YMCA one is pretty disgusting. It was disgusting at the time, it doesn't even have the excuse of seeing the past through modern day lenses.
@@JeremiahEcks777 too true. Shooter is to blame for YMCA, isn't he?
@@thezabgoth7426 I don't remember but either way it's a very... disturbing scene. In all sorts of ways. I mean, rape is disturbing alone but it's disturbing that the writer went 'This is what gays do.' Absolutely abhorrent and outdated even then.
And I'm a BIG advocate of leaving material in it's historical context without edits, so we can judge and learn from the past. I don't believe in changing history. But this would be one of the candidates if I wanted to. I still wouldn't as we need to learn from things like this that people were casually homophobic and we need to understand why the gay community might have reason to be afraid to be 'out', even in a world that now accepts that, in the main.
@@JeremiahEcks777 iirc this was also the era of Reagan's dismissal of the rising HIV epidemic. So much so, he didn't attend the funeral of his friend Rock Hudson. So sad to be chasing political favor so hard that you won't be seen burying a friend.
11:00 Soooo ... for a limited time, Punisher was able to say the "N" word, without any consequences !!! ... 😊😊😊
6:35 Did Marvel get this story to be in Iron Man: Armored Adventures????
10:03 and this from The Ultimate Spider-Man show????
Cuz the sorta same thing happened
Ikr about the iron man part but yes, THAT Wolverine and Mary Jane scene in Ultimate Spider Man was based on the infamous scene in the comics where wolverine takes advantage of being in Peter’s body
i tried to find this comic 5:43 out of curiosity ended up finding iron man being eatin alive from his own armor and the world getting destroyed really weird comic....
honestly that iron man comic sounds good just dark and weird
@@trollge3712 fair
You do the Nightcrawler storyline a disservice: The bad guys trying to install him as Pope (via holographic disguise, not shapeshifting) was the least stupidly-impossible part of their plot.
Leaving out that elevating Kurt through the ranks to get him in position for _consideration_ would take decades (at best), their plan was to make Kurt the Pope, having him appear during a big Mass ceremony (Easter or Passover, I forget which), then simultaneously simulate the Rapture (Which isn't a part of Catholic dogma) by disintegrating people with tricked out communion wafers AND have Kurt's image inducer fail, revealing him as a "demon" in disguise, which would set humanity against mutantkind (and not Catholicism).
It was, in short, Captial-D DUMB.
What's with this boning on graves that comics do? Where did the trope come from?
Marvel
Disney
Christianity
I thought that was cool how they made Laura Kenny's storyline not every comic book story can be rainbows and sunshine it brings a certain realism to it which I thought was awesome if they were super careful about every single thing like you want them to be most of the stories would be trash.
And I don't understand how she couldn't be beloved and have that storyline at the same time that's like saying every girl that gets into that line of work whether they wanted to or not isn't deserving of love.
But they already had Stacy X (or was it female Angel?) at the time. Doing two such stories at around the same time was overkill.
@@JeremiahEcks777 never heard of that one
@@partofthetribe3277 Yeah, one of the X-Men at the time was a hooker. At least, she was a stripper in the First Class movie but IIRC Angel was a hooker in the comics. I get Angel and Stacy X mixed up though. I might have it all wrong. I stopped reading after Morrison started writing Cyclops well out of character and missed all this stuff.
@@partofthetribe3277 Not because that would make her unlikable as a person but because the over the top edgy storyline could have very well deterred readers.
When I was going to get back into collecting comics again, I had unfortunately bought Uncanny X-Men #440. Well that put a stop to that.
What happens there?
@@Gemnist98 It's number 10 on this list.
Ooh...still haven't watched...do you have any of the weird spiderman ones, like spider killing MJ with his radioactive juices, or the green goblin sleeping with Gwen
Is he strong?
Listen, chum,
He's got radioactive cum!
*THE PUNISHER TURNS WHAT?!!!!!*
That ranks maybe third on the "Stupid Things They Turned The Punisher Into" list.
Can you guys do a dumbest storyline list? I'd be curious to see what you would rank as the dumbest storylines.
Everthing before All new all different
One More Day
@@lightdragoon88 You beat me to it. Is there any other story that has as much scorn in the fan community? Even those who prefer single Spidey hate that story.
@@JeremiahEcks777 I have yet to meet one person who can even defend that story. I want it retconned so bad.
un-pleasant or confronting doesn't make it inappropriate.
Wasn't Stark subjected to an involuntary sex change operation by his armour in one story?
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While possessed by Ultron
*WOLVERINE DOES WHAT* ?!
Isn't 19 the age of consent in every state? I mean I get why it's creepy for someone much older to be with a girl that age because they're all very malleable and impressionable with it and are ready to throw out all their values and goals or whatever just to mold themselves into what they think their boyfriend will like so it is creepy regardless but I'm pretty sure that's of legal age in every state.
Don't conflate legality with morality, you fucking nonce.
And I'm sure the idea of having air sex in front of her Mum (or any Mum for that matter!) is also allowed in every state. It doesn't stop this being weird creepy and inappropriate.
Yup tho in some states it is as low as 16 in a little over half the states.
The rest are 17 and 18.
@@Pero-zl4jp yeah that's wild. U can't buy smokes or even vote, but you can get fucked in half.
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Juggernaut joins the X-Men !!?
Much like Magneto and many other X-Villains Juggernaut does on occasion join the X-Men.
Awesome video.
Uh, regards to the 3:19 point, how is that Scott's fault. Seriously, Emma was acting as his therapist at the time and telepathically banged him without his permission. She used a position of power of him to essentially have her way with him and he's still getting crap for it in and out of universe. I'm usually a big fan of your videos and all in all it's a decent one, but I think there's some victim blaming going on in this one. Why is it Scott's fault? Just cause he's the guy? Yeah, the character has done some seriously stupid stuff over the years, but this one ain't on him.
Punisher changing race? That's on here? Thunderbolts put someone in a machine to change colors. A LOT of characters are now different. Let alone the cultural replacement of sex switching. Look at eternals movie alone. Or google how many female replacements in Flash alone. I bet over 15. They are more worried about agenda over stories. Or fans. Create new characters without screwing up a team by making them have to be part of it. The people you think you are going to get as new readers never do buy it. And you lose some.
I couldn't agree more. Virtue signalling in comics never gets new fans. It only ends in 'awards' being offered in various lobbies and gets a bit of 'positive' online press but actually those people who write those articles and offer awards don't actually read comics or most media because they're busy doing other things.
In the meantime, I'll be dropping your comics and saving money over here.
5:30 touchy much? It's exactly why the character is what it is and why there is still some residual good faith in marvel. It is on the heavy side but it's not like those things dont happen in real life and it's why people are able to form strong attachments due to empathy. Well written character.
If you're gonna talk about Ultimate Hulk being a cannibal then you should probably do the same for Venom lol
Now I’m annoyed with marvel and Jean grey. Causing Logan and Pete to mind swap for why? Cause Logan loves to flirt. Seriously? Couldn’t think of anything else? Then the race swap thing. Why was that a pitch?
they needed sales badly.
I'm not sure any of these storylines are exactly stellar but if the idea is that comic book characters should never do anything bizarre or unhealthy then you are going to be losing part of what makes them so interesting.
I mean, you're welcome to have Angel and Husk having sex in front of her mother and Wolverine knowingly hitting on a minor whilst I'm happy to take Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past, The Kree-Skrull War, Onslaught, Secret Invasion, etc. 🤷♂️
Invisible woman story is similar to my own comic books 📚 “the voices”
The story "Trouble" written by Joe Quesada
What's crazy is I just randomly came across this video in this morning I seen on Instagram that for some reason they made The fantastic four black.
This is quite a video :)
Scott and Emma kissing in front of Jean’s grave isn’t even that bad. You guys are shameless in your anti Cyclops propaganda.
WokeCulture Put this on the list but Spider-woman fighting while being pregnant gets a pass.
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i mean scott was the man that left his wife and kid to go see his ex and abandoned them till his wife turn into a deman queen and his kid got stolen away from him and sent into the future. has anyone ever mention comics are weird yet?
damn Tony took narcissism to next level...
F'n...F'n love these storylines.
top 10 x-men characters that should be in the mcu
Gambit, Gambit, Beast, Gambit, Rogue, Gambit, Wolverine, Gambit, Storm, Gambit.
Does that work?
@@JeremiahEcks777 ROGUE =STEAL Captain marvel powers to become to a-butt-kicking MMA like fighter.
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@@eddiejoewalt7746 I'm on board with that. I 👍
“Inappropriate” is subjective
Some people should not be allowed to write comics.
the iron man suit one is actually really cool lol
I hated the early 2000s era of comics, everyone tried entirely too hard to be edgy.
Grant Morrison tried to turn the X-Men into Doom Patrol.
Mark Millar turned The Avengers into The Authority in Ultimates.
Then once Marvel movies became box office hits, they started charging the comics to be more like the movies
Frank Castle was black....wow 😂😂😂. So marvel actually had a John shaft 😎, just in the wrong execution.
That iron man armor story was adapted into iron man armored adventures
8:07 I will never stop saying that's there dad watching them
Man, The X-Men comics used to be great. Those were the days.
Paige is 19 she can make that type of "mistake" in every state :p
WokeCulture Put a kiss near a grave on the list but still didn't Put "Spider-woman fighting while being pregnant". I guess feelings of a dead person are more important than the safety of unborn child.
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Why was Lois "changing" race bad? Black Like Me was an amazing book. Lois is a writer.
Yeah, asking if we enjoyed really questionable editorial decisions is not a good. 😖
Husk and Angel immediately head went to hazbin hotel
I personally do not think catholicism is as extreme as people thunk, because a majority of the things we have today are a result of catholicism and Christianity as a whole.
Those were horrible, and I already knew about at least half of them.
Whole wolverine one is sick. Surprised they allowed it. But I shouldn't be.
Inappropriate? How can fiction be Inappropriate? Maybe the reader isn't grown-up enough.
I bought that issue of Punisher
You use the word inappropriate, but I don't think that word means what you think it means. None of these story lines have anything wrong with them. They're tragic sure, some are exploring high minded ideas, others are just dark. But none of it s inappropriate.
But due didn’t become a villain… she was mind controlled, there’s a difference
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Can we add 'The Punisher VS Eminem' to that list?
No one needed to see that sh't.
What's a Zeb-rah?
DC makes Lois Lane black for one issue.
Fans: I can't believe they thought that was Ok back then, what a fucked up time.
Marvel makes The Punisher black for one story arc
Fans: How in this day and age could they possibly think that was a good idea.
Marvel makes Betsy Braddock asian in the 70's and doesn't change her back until just a couple years ago.
Fans: Put her back, put her back. There was nothing wrong with that.
Tbf Lois and Frank Castle are better known characters. Betsy at least doesn’t have tbat presence that they do.
@@Pero-zl4jp she's an A-List X-Woman people just don't talk about her Backstory.
Wow only one person commented
they gave nightcrawler mystique powers?
Um, please tell me when you say leatherboy committed unnatural acts on Monkey Joe you mean he raised him from the dead as a zombie or something else not weird. Cause if its what im thinking im gonna be sick. In fact at that point dont tell me. Let me live in ignorance
Honestly that Iron Man story is good. I think it has a strong, typical marvel turnabout.
I think everybody was ready for Scott to move on from Jean for christsake; also White Queen's had a lot of character development, if not clothes.
That Wolverine/Spider-man, Mary Jane planned it thing... very yuck
The brutal way comics fumble race stuff over and over must really dissappoint minority fans
Cyclops is nasty wtf.
How about Wanda and Quick Silvers relationship! 🤮
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What the hell 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Uhhhhh…..
Marvel destroyed the Ultimate Universe. Bad move, Marvel. 😒
*Captain America*: "You see these spacecraft in the sky? The big triangular machines? Well, I was talking to the pilots earlier and you know what they told me? You know what they were saying about you, Hulk? These guys called you a sissy boy, buddy. You really gonna let them get away with that?"
*Hulk*: "NO! HULK NOT SISSY BOY! HULK STRAIGHT!"
Surprised, WokeCuckture weren't triggered more by that scene.
sounds like dialogue taken straight out of The Boys lol
I'm surprised that you know how to put your clothes on correctly in the morning with the level of stupidity you openly display with your comments.
@@paigemarie3863 haha
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Well the movies/tv race swap characters why not the books? Lol I’m joking relax
I didn't even know that Reed and Doc Ock were a thing!? And they were having a baby! All while Sue is pregnant with Reed's kid!? Sick! It's prescient of Dolt 45's pornstar payoff controversy (no the other one) and totally reprehensible. Sue could do so much better!
You folks are a perfect example that today’s fanboys are just that little boys who cannot handle adult situations or stories
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Man... yall just complain so much about comics huh. Might explain why comics are so terrible now appeasing ppl like yall.
Careful, liberal twitter and UA-cam are gonna cancel you for #10 🤣🤣🤮
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Um the catholic church isn't that extreme considering there's a religion that will literally blow you up if you mock their prophet lol
10 More cups of soy with the Nancy Boys of What Culture.
It's a fine video.
@@Ranuyasha It's the same crap from them every time.
The Nancy boys don't understand about the two stories of the punisher and Louis lane it's was about being in someone's else shoe for a day
@@McMahonHater yet you're still watching them
@@TTLOSF Because some of there stuff is good, but these lists are just them being Feminist cucks. How many "top 10 inappropriate scenes in movies" type vids have they done that featured Alice Eves scene in "Star Trek Into Darkness" when Alice herself has said it was no big deal to do, and pointed out Chris Pine has his shirt off several times in the movie.
“Inappropriate” is subjective
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