this is always the case every time i see frodan interviewing/interacting with tft streamers lol. I'm sure frodan is already having a hard enough time being a new dad, let alone tft dad lmao
Youre going to be a great dad frodan , if you were able yo mantain calm with these kids making 0 points on how to fix or solve problems then this is a great dad practice for you. Cheers
The Soju rant about money feels very similar to how chess is right now. Unless you are a top 25 player in the world and get sponsors, it is really hard to make money competitively as a professional chess player. People like Gothamchess or Hikaru make much more money doing content creation, and it feel extremely similar to how TFT is feeling like for these pros. Also, in terms of the idea that ANYONE can join worlds seem a little strange to me. TFT is different than chess in the sense that TFT switches sets to keep things fresh and to make an even playing ground, but only the people who put in the time are the ones who can realistically make Worlds. (If I am interpreting anything wrong, please let me know. I would love to have a deeper discussion about the topics that were brought up.) Thank you Frodan for having this discussion and to share some of your thoughts about the game. :)
Just a comment about your second point, I don't think the TFT set changes for competitive freshness. Sets often just naturally lose players due to decreasing interest over time and the set model is intended to keep engagement. TFT skill trends towards set-agnostic, meaning that set mechanics have some-but not a terribly high-impact on overall performance. Regardless of how you think sets are designed, only extraordinarily good players make worlds. The whole "anyone can join worlds" isn't a big deal because to make worlds requires you to already be one of the best TFT players in the world.
@@stephenwu8066 “anyone can make worlds” isn’t referring to some shitter silver 3. It’s referring to the unknown chinese mobile player that randomly popped off. Some grandmaster brazilian player who highrolled in chall lobbies and qualified etc…
@@whole.milk__ I just wanted him to hear what everyone was saying, let them finish their thoughts, and then respond. The constant cutting in to make more points and not really taking the time to focus down on his own complaints really made this a tough watch.
@@sanaru02 hard agreed. I almost wish Frodan would moderate more haha. If you ever watch SVB's Group Up poscast about OverWatch he does a great job moderating loud streamers.
There is a really easy way to address Milks point. Add seeds for players. If you made day 3 of prev tournament you skip day 1. If you made top 8 you are seeded into day 3. Then the up and coming players can prove their skill in an open bracket while not forcing the proven players to survive a game that inherently has some luck factor in these small sample sizes
Being seeded into day 3 cause you highrolled one tourney in such a high variance game sounds like the worst idea of all time especially considering the tourneys give QP for making regionals/worlds. You make top8 of first cup and you're basically in for regionals because of seeding for next cup, very stupid idea.
@dimitrijedragic3652 they literally just had a conversation where they confirmed the day 3's of the tournament was a good bracket. You can highroll 1 or even a few games, but getting to day 3? Skill. Even if some ppl get an insane streak of luck and gets a free seed into a 2nd tournament, they are going to be a rare exception and won't make it.
@@Seatek_Ark okay say there's no luck factor, or all players are equal it still means the first tourney has too much impact on qualifying to regionals, you just snowball and get auto points which should never be the case in such a circuit format. The whole circuit and how you qualify to regionals/worlds would need an overhaul if such a seeding formula would be implemented
Milk trying to re-explain soju’s point because he thought it wasn’t explain well but he made it worse. Huh? Man plays one tourney of 4v4 and don’t know how to act now
Frodan does an excellent job of explaining exactly what's going on in an overcomplicated tournament system. The current system reminds me very much of MSI for Rift: overcomplicated, too many matches, squeezed in between seasons, etc. And Soju is right, he could have made more just streaming and that is quite sad. I'm wondering if they should have a pro and 'challenger' scene as Rift has because if you think about it, have a 'pro' team against a 'challenger' team is not a fun game to watch. It's a stomp usually or the quality of the matches is lower.
i think its pretty safe to say your last sets rank could be used to qualify you for a tourney. challenger in any set is still challenger. you should NOT have to grind 24/7 on a fresh set launch to qualify for tourneys.
For TFT as a competition of solo players, they need a system that is both more organized and with a slightly more "complex" progression through the tournament. There are multiple ways to make a tournament with a similar format work better/faster/more efficiently. For TFT as a professional scene, I feel like it absolutely needs some form of team dynamic. There are other esports where you can bring your team of friends and attempt to qualify. I just don't see a game like TFT ever reaching that nice sweet spot on how tournaments work without it. It is just too much rng. In conclusion, milk's desire for "pro"/tournaments to be more competitive than ranked with it being a solo format seems ridiculous. In other esports, the pro scene is, potentially, more competitive in part because it plays different than the regular ranked ladder does, more team based / tactical than the brute force that is more often attributed with ranked.
Milk just yaps and offers no real solutions lol. Also I agree that TFT comp is a rich man's game. If you aren't one of the 15 streamers who can live off of streaming TFT, how are you realistically able to compete? Notice how the guys who aren't big streamers are almost all in their early 20s, ie they are most likely in college and have few to no responsibilities. And day 1 of tournies starting midday friday screws 90% of the population who works 9-5. So really, Riot needs to either stop acting like they care about the everyman, and revert back to fewer, smaller tournaments composed of only the streamers, privledged, and college students, or find a way to realize their vision and create a more reasonable tournament style for people with lives.
Milk came in saying that Soju was not explaining it right and make it about money but Milk himself couldn't even explain it any better after yapping dozens of minutes straight. There will always be issues but with it there are some solutions. Yap about it but you had not a single better idea on how to improve it Milk.
I don't think there is too many tournaments. If someone didn't make this tournament, the one that's going on now--or at the very least was knocked out--they literally have a MONTH until they can do another that matters. The tournaments just need to run faster, while keeping the integrity and allowing second chances.
Having small tournaments here and there is fine. Having a bunch of qualifiers over and over for the big tournaments is wack as a competitor. Even for viewers it’s like “oh if they lose this qualifier they have the next one” and the one after that and oh “last chance qualifier” oh now it’s time for the tournament. Oh the tournaments over but they made a new set now you have to grind to learn that on you learned the set. Great. Now you have tourney qualifier. And another one. Now main tourney. Or new set again. It’s too much
TFT is a unique space where a lot of players think they are really smart because they are good at a game categorised as “strategy”, but actually aren’t beyond the game itself, and talk a lot trying to sound assertive and smart but needs adults like Frodan to translate and construct coherent thoughts out of gibberish lol
Good thing I played RTS custom maps way back when I was a wee lad mainly wc3 actual strategy now "strategy" games is barely stratgize for crying out loud you could have 3rd part apps like tft.chess to play the game for you what comp you should go for and what augment to pick
If they are talking about slots, why not make slots change according to how people within their region perform, but still have guaranteed one or two slots. But this has to start with the initial tournament, each set with loaded people and the same slot for each region.
I know that on riot's end adding in the 3rd set a year was supposed to be something that everyone would appreciate, I feel like it just forces us to pack in everything schedule wise to an unreasonable level
Esport is pretty much a huge money sink. Esport is just a mean for the game to remain popular so the money prize pool won't increase much even after a long time.
Apex kind of went through the same thing. In order to play in algs quals you had to be gold?? I’m not sure why they are not more strict on ranks. If you wanna compete do decent in rank first. Personally I think it should be master + in both games
I think that including people who don't play the game as often really diminishes the competitive environment for pro players. There is a chance that someone who is plat could be instinctively amazing at the game, but the hours put into studying and playing games should prove to produce better results. When pros play against pros, they understand the playing field because everyone has incentive to gain tiebreakers, but with unserious players it creates an unpredictable game state. Unmotivated players will just hinder the expectation of high-level play.
If the goal is for anyone who tries hard enough to go to worlds, why not chop up the playerbase? Do the current slugfest format every single weekend, open to anyone Diamond+ for the people who just wanna spam tournaments. And then once per set, just do a big tournament for only players in the top (100) Finally, do a LCQ the weekend before with a format similar to Pokemon VGC's online system, where you queue for a maximum number of games under a special queue. (Eg. 20 games max). This way, the good players don't have to always be playing for snapshots. Only the top 100 snapshot. If they miss, they can always grind the Diamond+ Open Qualifiers, or the LCQ.
If tournament quality is so low that it's like day 1 fighting games, why not use single elimination style rather than points? If there are so many bad players, then only letting the top 2-3 from each game proceed would cut game time significantly, and you could seed something like 2 people from each region per game to try to keep competition fair. After you've cut to the cream of the crop, then you can introduce best-of, points, or some other system.
Game is too rng heavy for that, sometimes you just go 8th because you lose streak early and then hit nothing on your roll down. The tournaments can definitely start making cuts sooner than they are though.
I think the points being brought up by the players are kinda being derailed by Frodan because he basically just says “so you don’t care about new players/smaller regions?”. In the case of soft resets A soft reset would just generally be better for everyone including the new players. It’s unreasonable to expect a fresh player to be challenger and qualify for tournaments in the set they started with. They’re going to be master/gm for a season or two before making it to snapshots, therefore a soft reset would help them as well so they don’t have to quit their jobs and play no life like Frodan himself said. The pros also don’t have to play hundreds of pointless games, everyone is happy. Slots can just be distributed by performance, this makes it so people on the smaller regions can get still grow as the players get better.
Milk is pretty dumb for a smart guy. If NA had the same number of players and spent the same level of money on TFT as China, we would be catered to the way the Chinese server is catered to. It's really that simple. If he wants NA by itself, the region needs more players and to spent more money on TFT. In the end that is what "growth" in other regions is all about, and I am surprised Frodan didn't bring up the money aspect since I am sure he knows about it. NA has the most skill but the number of total players(and presumably revenue) is not super high.
Milk literally contradicted himself like 10 times during this conversation We should have less games,, we need more qualifiers ----_________------''''';'
milk saying we should be like the olympics when we literally are exactly the same. Doesn't he know that the olympics lets someone from every country in, no matter how bad they are? If no one else from their country applies, they get into the olympics even if they are novices. Just like how smaller regions like LATAM are guaranteed a spot at TFT worlds.
1:08 yeah the entire game doesnt respect your time, you can get 4th 3 times fighting for your life and if you get compeltely trolled and get 7th you lose 3 games aka 3 hours of your life
The hard reset in ranked is fine. Guu complained that a worse player will be higher rank just by playing more but how about the reverse. The guy with 200 matches being lower ranked because someone else started the ranked season at diamond + taking way less to hit challenger than say a new or returning player that missed the previous set and had to start from a lower rank.
I just hope most pros are not like milk or the scene is completely doomed 😂 Great try to talk and pinpoint issues by frodan. They for sure has to cut tournaments, days, hours of play, ppl cant play them and ppl cant watch it and follow it
Tft has become pokemon. So many of the problems with vcg trace back to the pc's vision that a trainer could take their in-game team and go on a run. Winning with a rag tag team of favorites. When in reality everyone is going to have perfect ev iv pokemon. play the meta. and the result as "imablissy" has shown gatekeeps the top level to people with the money and time to be able to do it. It's the same problem here with tft. riot wants to have a game where anyone could dream of making worlds. hey tft is high variance, maybe you get a good string of games and get there. But tft is too hard a game for that to actually happen. It takes so much time and effort.
are you on drugs? do you realize how much less gatekept tft is with its "everything is free" structure than something like hearthstone which at this point is a $3k buy in + $500+/yr to play competitively?
@@dimitrijedragic3652 three tournament decks runs what i quoted. if you're sinking enough time in for them to be free, you're paying ten times as much as that. @mode9800 you're on a frodan stream, dear. a bit of context on how expensive competitive video games can get. :)
The way I read how they format tft, its a top 4 out of 3 games every time until you get to the last top 8 and they play the same. What they need to do is put players in separate brackets and have them compete against people from other brackets. So in the game they're playing against other people outside of their bracket but their results is competing against their own bracket. This adds dynamic and it stops players from griefing you as you're playing fresh players every game. They can count the total of 3 games and remove half the players in each bracket and then make new brackets. Rinse and repeat until you get top 8 in which I agree with their checkmate strategy. I'm only saying this because they're complaining about the lack of competition, RNG, and griefing. This basically solves it all except RNG since thats the whole point of this game. lastly, milk is definitely on the spectrum and lacks iq outside of a computer screen. Never seen someone spaz out and be toxic but no balls to name names.
i know i seems coping but something change while in set 11 some trait is may not appear in 1 set making it hard to get that full set of that trait,,, and some set trait some reason has more pool in that game too
The problem about talking prize pool with Soju is that he’s literally a millionaire complaining about not getting a financial incentive to play in tournaments.
Being brazilian and listening to this kid talk is some kind of test dude LUL. People have it hard enough to be in a competitive scene and in Latam and this dude wants to compare us with countries with 1/5 of our population, so out of touch.
India does not have riot server for league off legends and tft they have server for Valorant but i dont know what's the problem for tft and league, when I start playing tft there was no singapore server so i have to choose from na or oce na is unplayable because off ping but oce is playable, I try the singapore server but q time is so long even in low ranks,if india have the access to tft I promise u will see some very good talent in worlds
I refuse to believe these are the best people you can get to talk about the state of the game frodan, it's dreadful to listen to Milk talking. I could not watch even half of the video...
Just because they haven't played another game does not mean that their feelings or perceptions are invalid. How does it make sense that pros are feeling burnout yet it's not an actual real effect?
Some of their feelings are indeed invalid. And for the ones that aren't they can't understand how to fix the issue nor do they have any real comparison to draw upon@@mikelshuo9071
It is not truth - He said he can make more money just streaming. BUT if he will not take part in competitve TFT nobody will watch him. He forget taht before TFT he was noname and now he flames Riot
like 10x the amount of people that care about yourtrash game. go pay 2k for a deck that's gonna get banned in a month wierdo. Yugioh is the Drake of the Big 3 Tcgs.
Frodan is like an adult interpreting children’s words for the audience lol
For real tho
this is always the case every time i see frodan interviewing/interacting with tft streamers lol. I'm sure frodan is already having a hard enough time being a new dad, let alone tft dad lmao
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this milk guy sounds like fucking XQC tft version, so weird can't form a sentence
@@creatineaddict TFT Dad, I love it!
Youre going to be a great dad frodan , if you were able yo mantain calm with these kids making 0 points on how to fix or solve problems then this is a great dad practice for you. Cheers
Milk is a ladder to Frodan's intelligence and speach skills, bring him more often.
The Soju rant about money feels very similar to how chess is right now. Unless you are a top 25 player in the world and get sponsors, it is really hard to make money competitively as a professional chess player. People like Gothamchess or Hikaru make much more money doing content creation, and it feel extremely similar to how TFT is feeling like for these pros.
Also, in terms of the idea that ANYONE can join worlds seem a little strange to me. TFT is different than chess in the sense that TFT switches sets to keep things fresh and to make an even playing ground, but only the people who put in the time are the ones who can realistically make Worlds. (If I am interpreting anything wrong, please let me know. I would love to have a deeper discussion about the topics that were brought up.)
Thank you Frodan for having this discussion and to share some of your thoughts about the game. :)
Just a comment about your second point, I don't think the TFT set changes for competitive freshness. Sets often just naturally lose players due to decreasing interest over time and the set model is intended to keep engagement. TFT skill trends towards set-agnostic, meaning that set mechanics have some-but not a terribly high-impact on overall performance. Regardless of how you think sets are designed, only extraordinarily good players make worlds. The whole "anyone can join worlds" isn't a big deal because to make worlds requires you to already be one of the best TFT players in the world.
@@stephenwu8066 “anyone can make worlds” isn’t referring to some shitter silver 3. It’s referring to the unknown chinese mobile player that randomly popped off. Some grandmaster brazilian player who highrolled in chall lobbies and qualified etc…
Milk. Slow down, figure out your point, and state it plainly.
Found him to be so annoying this time around
@@sanaru02 Or any time if there is a serious discussion
@@sanaru02 I've always found him annoying. The way he talks and ends every sentence halfway before jumping to a completely different thought
@@whole.milk__ I just wanted him to hear what everyone was saying, let them finish their thoughts, and then respond. The constant cutting in to make more points and not really taking the time to focus down on his own complaints really made this a tough watch.
@@sanaru02 hard agreed. I almost wish Frodan would moderate more haha. If you ever watch SVB's Group Up poscast about OverWatch he does a great job moderating loud streamers.
There is a really easy way to address Milks point. Add seeds for players. If you made day 3 of prev tournament you skip day 1. If you made top 8 you are seeded into day 3. Then the up and coming players can prove their skill in an open bracket while not forcing the proven players to survive a game that inherently has some luck factor in these small sample sizes
Being seeded into day 3 cause you highrolled one tourney in such a high variance game sounds like the worst idea of all time especially considering the tourneys give QP for making regionals/worlds. You make top8 of first cup and you're basically in for regionals because of seeding for next cup, very stupid idea.
@dimitrijedragic3652 they literally just had a conversation where they confirmed the day 3's of the tournament was a good bracket. You can highroll 1 or even a few games, but getting to day 3? Skill. Even if some ppl get an insane streak of luck and gets a free seed into a 2nd tournament, they are going to be a rare exception and won't make it.
@@Seatek_Ark okay say there's no luck factor, or all players are equal it still means the first tourney has too much impact on qualifying to regionals, you just snowball and get auto points which should never be the case in such a circuit format. The whole circuit and how you qualify to regionals/worlds would need an overhaul if such a seeding formula would be implemented
Milk might be on the spectrum no cap
cool, gottem
There's no might about it
I dont think so. He is too verbal to be on the spectrum. He's just dumb.
Yikes. Frodan has the patience of a Saint for dealing with this nonsense.
tft esport went up in flame after Riot dissolve Giantslayer as tournament organizer
Milk trying to re-explain soju’s point because he thought it wasn’t explain well but he made it worse. Huh?
Man plays one tourney of 4v4 and don’t know how to act now
milk is the only reason i hit diamond my first season, said to one trick mech and how to one trick it and it worked lmao
Watching this made me feel more appreciative of CCs like frodan, mortdog and shurkou because i can actually listen to what they're saying 😂
would like to see a short/condensed video talking about the main points from this
Frodan does an excellent job of explaining exactly what's going on in an overcomplicated tournament system. The current system reminds me very much of MSI for Rift: overcomplicated, too many matches, squeezed in between seasons, etc. And Soju is right, he could have made more just streaming and that is quite sad. I'm wondering if they should have a pro and 'challenger' scene as Rift has because if you think about it, have a 'pro' team against a 'challenger' team is not a fun game to watch. It's a stomp usually or the quality of the matches is lower.
Soju in 1.5x speed is the content we never knew we needed XD
me playing the first part of the video on 0.5 speed to understand wtf soju's saying lol
i think its pretty safe to say your last sets rank could be used to qualify you for a tourney. challenger in any set is still challenger. you should NOT have to grind 24/7 on a fresh set launch to qualify for tourneys.
For TFT as a competition of solo players, they need a system that is both more organized and with a slightly more "complex" progression through the tournament. There are multiple ways to make a tournament with a similar format work better/faster/more efficiently.
For TFT as a professional scene, I feel like it absolutely needs some form of team dynamic. There are other esports where you can bring your team of friends and attempt to qualify. I just don't see a game like TFT ever reaching that nice sweet spot on how tournaments work without it. It is just too much rng.
In conclusion, milk's desire for "pro"/tournaments to be more competitive than ranked with it being a solo format seems ridiculous. In other esports, the pro scene is, potentially, more competitive in part because it plays different than the regular ranked ladder does, more team based / tactical than the brute force that is more often attributed with ranked.
Milk just yaps and offers no real solutions lol. Also I agree that TFT comp is a rich man's game. If you aren't one of the 15 streamers who can live off of streaming TFT, how are you realistically able to compete? Notice how the guys who aren't big streamers are almost all in their early 20s, ie they are most likely in college and have few to no responsibilities. And day 1 of tournies starting midday friday screws 90% of the population who works 9-5. So really, Riot needs to either stop acting like they care about the everyman, and revert back to fewer, smaller tournaments composed of only the streamers, privledged, and college students, or find a way to realize their vision and create a more reasonable tournament style for people with lives.
Milk came in saying that Soju was not explaining it right and make it about money but Milk himself couldn't even explain it any better after yapping dozens of minutes straight. There will always be issues but with it there are some solutions. Yap about it but you had not a single better idea on how to improve it Milk.
You can tell milk just took his daily adderall dose before he jumped on this call
I don't think there is too many tournaments. If someone didn't make this tournament, the one that's going on now--or at the very least was knocked out--they literally have a MONTH until they can do another that matters. The tournaments just need to run faster, while keeping the integrity and allowing second chances.
Having small tournaments here and there is fine. Having a bunch of qualifiers over and over for the big tournaments is wack as a competitor. Even for viewers it’s like “oh if they lose this qualifier they have the next one” and the one after that and oh “last chance qualifier” oh now it’s time for the tournament. Oh the tournaments over but they made a new set now you have to grind to learn that on you learned the set. Great. Now you have tourney qualifier. And another one. Now main tourney. Or new set again. It’s too much
As a viewer there are so many events to watch
Now there are Friday games to
Its so much
basicamente milk quiere que jueguen todos los de nombre conocido para que los games esten buenos
I see why Becca left him
WHO is the person who speaks in 2x playback speed????? 😭😭😭😭
Soju
@@Adonna2424 thank yo!
the only thing i can imagine here is milk siting in a chair with a usa flag on his wall, an eagle on his shoulder and holding a gun
TFT is a unique space where a lot of players think they are really smart because they are good at a game categorised as “strategy”, but actually aren’t beyond the game itself, and talk a lot trying to sound assertive and smart but needs adults like Frodan to translate and construct coherent thoughts out of gibberish lol
Them not being eloquent doesn't mean they're not smart or entirely right on the matter
Good thing I played RTS custom maps way back when I was a wee lad mainly wc3 actual strategy now "strategy" games is barely stratgize for crying out loud you could have 3rd part apps like tft.chess to play the game for you what comp you should go for and what augment to pick
If they are talking about slots, why not make slots change according to how people within their region perform, but still have guaranteed one or two slots.
But this has to start with the initial tournament, each set with loaded people and the same slot for each region.
I know that on riot's end adding in the 3rd set a year was supposed to be something that everyone would appreciate, I feel like it just forces us to pack in everything schedule wise to an unreasonable level
Esport is pretty much a huge money sink. Esport is just a mean for the game to remain popular so the money prize pool won't increase much even after a long time.
Apex kind of went through the same thing. In order to play in algs quals you had to be gold?? I’m not sure why they are not more strict on ranks. If you wanna compete do decent in rank first. Personally I think it should be master + in both games
It is about skilled players what are you on about. It's like that for Riot's other major games just not TFT
I think that including people who don't play the game as often really diminishes the competitive environment for pro players. There is a chance that someone who is plat could be instinctively amazing at the game, but the hours put into studying and playing games should prove to produce better results. When pros play against pros, they understand the playing field because everyone has incentive to gain tiebreakers, but with unserious players it creates an unpredictable game state. Unmotivated players will just hinder the expectation of high-level play.
If the goal is for anyone who tries hard enough to go to worlds, why not chop up the playerbase?
Do the current slugfest format every single weekend, open to anyone Diamond+ for the people who just wanna spam tournaments.
And then once per set, just do a big tournament for only players in the top (100)
Finally, do a LCQ the weekend before with a format similar to Pokemon VGC's online system, where you queue for a maximum number of games under a special queue. (Eg. 20 games max).
This way, the good players don't have to always be playing for snapshots. Only the top 100 snapshot. If they miss, they can always grind the Diamond+ Open Qualifiers, or the LCQ.
One thing i dont get.. when the amount of games was a lot lower we complained bcs the sample size was too low and Not representative?
Ppl complained ab individual tourney sample size. This yap sesh is mostly ab how many games it takes to even get to the bigger tourneys.
If tournament quality is so low that it's like day 1 fighting games, why not use single elimination style rather than points?
If there are so many bad players, then only letting the top 2-3 from each game proceed would cut game time significantly, and you could seed something like 2 people from each region per game to try to keep competition fair. After you've cut to the cream of the crop, then you can introduce best-of, points, or some other system.
Game is too rng heavy for that, sometimes you just go 8th because you lose streak early and then hit nothing on your roll down.
The tournaments can definitely start making cuts sooner than they are though.
Is it me or does Milk speak with the same cadence as XQC?
I think the points being brought up by the players are kinda being derailed by Frodan because he basically just says “so you don’t care about new players/smaller regions?”.
In the case of soft resets
A soft reset would just generally be better for everyone including the new players. It’s unreasonable to expect a fresh player to be challenger and qualify for tournaments in the set they started with. They’re going to be master/gm for a season or two before making it to snapshots, therefore a soft reset would help them as well so they don’t have to quit their jobs and play no life like Frodan himself said. The pros also don’t have to play hundreds of pointless games, everyone is happy.
Slots can just be distributed by performance, this makes it so people on the smaller regions can get still grow as the players get better.
Milk is pretty dumb for a smart guy. If NA had the same number of players and spent the same level of money on TFT as China, we would be catered to the way the Chinese server is catered to. It's really that simple. If he wants NA by itself, the region needs more players and to spent more money on TFT. In the end that is what "growth" in other regions is all about, and I am surprised Frodan didn't bring up the money aspect since I am sure he knows about it. NA has the most skill but the number of total players(and presumably revenue) is not super high.
Gonna need milk on like .65
Milk literally contradicted himself like 10 times during this conversation
We should have less games,, we need more qualifiers ----_________------''''';'
They are cutting NA slots in league. Its already happening next season.
milk saying we should be like the olympics when we literally are exactly the same. Doesn't he know that the olympics lets someone from every country in, no matter how bad they are? If no one else from their country applies, they get into the olympics even if they are novices. Just like how smaller regions like LATAM are guaranteed a spot at TFT worlds.
1:08 yeah the entire game doesnt respect your time, you can get 4th 3 times fighting for your life and if you get compeltely trolled and get 7th you lose 3 games aka 3 hours of your life
Holy... - Rainplosion, 2024
They’re lucky they’re getting a single dollar.
The hard reset in ranked is fine. Guu complained that a worse player will be higher rank just by playing more but how about the reverse. The guy with 200 matches being lower ranked because someone else started the ranked season at diamond + taking way less to hit challenger than say a new or returning player that missed the previous set and had to start from a lower rank.
I just hope most pros are not like milk or the scene is completely doomed 😂
Great try to talk and pinpoint issues by frodan.
They for sure has to cut tournaments, days, hours of play, ppl cant play them and ppl cant watch it and follow it
Are the tft pros in the room with us right now?
Tft has become pokemon. So many of the problems with vcg trace back to the pc's vision that a trainer could take their in-game team and go on a run. Winning with a rag tag team of favorites. When in reality everyone is going to have perfect ev iv pokemon. play the meta. and the result as "imablissy" has shown gatekeeps the top level to people with the money and time to be able to do it.
It's the same problem here with tft. riot wants to have a game where anyone could dream of making worlds. hey tft is high variance, maybe you get a good string of games and get there. But tft is too hard a game for that to actually happen. It takes so much time and effort.
are you on drugs? do you realize how much less gatekept tft is with its "everything is free" structure than something like hearthstone which at this point is a $3k buy in + $500+/yr to play competitively?
@@kittysplode where exactly did I compare it to hearthstone?
@@kittysplodei quit hearthstone a couple years ago but back then it was completely free if you're any good at arena and a regular player
@@dimitrijedragic3652 three tournament decks runs what i quoted. if you're sinking enough time in for them to be free, you're paying ten times as much as that.
@mode9800 you're on a frodan stream, dear. a bit of context on how expensive competitive video games can get. :)
The way I read how they format tft, its a top 4 out of 3 games every time until you get to the last top 8 and they play the same.
What they need to do is put players in separate brackets and have them compete against people from other brackets. So in the game they're playing against other people outside of their bracket but their results is competing against their own bracket. This adds dynamic and it stops players from griefing you as you're playing fresh players every game. They can count the total of 3 games and remove half the players in each bracket and then make new brackets. Rinse and repeat until you get top 8 in which I agree with their checkmate strategy.
I'm only saying this because they're complaining about the lack of competition, RNG, and griefing. This basically solves it all except RNG since thats the whole point of this game.
lastly, milk is definitely on the spectrum and lacks iq outside of a computer screen. Never seen someone spaz out and be toxic but no balls to name names.
relax dishsop i wana hear what u saying if there is no money in tft leave it even tho even if u love this game mode riot should look into this
i know i seems coping but something change while in set 11 some trait is may not appear in 1 set making it hard to get that full set of that trait,,, and some set trait some reason has more pool in that game too
just gotta make youtube videos and shorts of the competition thats how u make money playing them.
It’s not ab the money, a lot of the top NA players are popular enough on twitch to make a steady 6 figs
This is unlistenable because milk keeps interrupting everyone else
the state of competitive tft, which is not tft itself
Cringe, the game should be run and balanced around its competitive side not around gold andys who play 5 games a month
@@dimitrijedragic3652 it's OK Dimitri it's not your fault you were born stupid
The problem about talking prize pool with Soju is that he’s literally a millionaire complaining about not getting a financial incentive to play in tournaments.
Being brazilian and listening to this kid talk is some kind of test dude LUL. People have it hard enough to be in a competitive scene and in Latam and this dude wants to compare us with countries with 1/5 of our population, so out of touch.
Not to be rude but where do you want this money to come from? Investors throw money into e-sports and need to get money back...
India does not have riot server for league off legends and tft they have server for Valorant but i dont know what's the problem for tft and league, when I start playing tft there was no singapore server so i have to choose from na or oce na is unplayable because off ping but oce is playable, I try the singapore server but q time is so long even in low ranks,if india have the access to tft I promise u will see some very good talent in worlds
I just play in euw. It's sad that India doesn't have its own server though. However, the ping isn't too bad in EUW when ping barely matters in tft.
milk is uh... not a smart man. being decent at a game does not equip to you to make real world decisions.
omg please stop inviting Milk or make sure he chills tf out, barely listenable this week
I refuse to believe these are the best people you can get to talk about the state of the game frodan, it's dreadful to listen to Milk talking. I could not watch even half of the video...
goddamn milk is annoying jeeeeezzus
so annoying always the same🤣
People that have never played a cardgame except tft(except frodan) talk about how cardgame tournaments should be structured.
Just because they haven't played another game does not mean that their feelings or perceptions are invalid. How does it make sense that pros are feeling burnout yet it's not an actual real effect?
Some of their feelings are indeed invalid. And for the ones that aren't they can't understand how to fix the issue nor do they have any real comparison to draw upon@@mikelshuo9071
How is tft a cardgame are you braindamaged
people playing video games for a living complaining about how much it sucks to play video games for a living
It is not truth - He said he can make more money just streaming. BUT if he will not take part in competitve TFT nobody will watch him. He forget taht before TFT he was noname and now he flames Riot
Nope he could not play a single tourney game and still have 5 digit viewers on a Thursday
@@dimitrijedragic3652 without TFT game he would have 2 views
This set is so dog shit.
Who gives a fuck about competitive TFT
Who gives a fuck about yugioh? Just cuz your game is dying rn doesn’t mean you gotta take it out on a community with millions of monthly players
@@TheCagedK dead* not dying
like 10x the amount of people that care about yourtrash game. go pay 2k for a deck that's gonna get banned in a month wierdo. Yugioh is the Drake of the Big 3 Tcgs.
you're on a comp tft youtube channel. so...... you?