Sir, you had no choice but to say that you knew anything about determinism. HOWEVER, I had the choice to define how I frame my response to you. This response was predetermined by your attempt to assert determinism as a framework to explain life. I had many means of illustrating my response, I coudl use memes, I could call you gay, or I could pause and let that bubbling up of ideas process until I truly felt that I had selected the right bubbles of ideas. As self awareness increases, so too does the understanding and resolution of the responses that are available to someone, enabling a conscious expression of self in what you had assumed to be simply an automatic response to being. A truly ignorant person will be unable to stop themselves from responding like a cur, but someone to whom the discussion revolves around a specialization of their life will perceive a wealth of responses that operates as their own personal playground of expression. The proof for this is the variation of response options available to the master that would each achieve a variety of external results from which he selects his desired outcome. You could try to assert that determinism is still at play here, but then you're arguing for the capacity to choose an optimal outcome for the self as deterministic, at which point your determinism means the exact same thing as free will.
I liked the discussion very interesting stuff to throw in every once in a while. It was funny seeing hunter short circuit as soon as you started 😂 Mr.Harvard Yale elite for sure
Listen guys, Warhammer is sick because it is something that people can get behind. It is both hysterical and badass. I mean, no one wants to get stuck in something and not feel creative but man its good shit. Also, Hunter, you're not terrible. You're not losing ideas. This is just a slight slump. The Flashgitz boys went through the same deal. Especially with mama UA-cam breathing down peoples necks. I fricken loved the Yokai cartoon and the Nickocaudo toon. I really appreciate you guys. I work part time, school full time, and I'm a parent and this is like, one of the simple things I look forward too. Keep up the good work.
Guys please my heart can only handle so much excitement. The smoothness of your three voices can drive a man wild. Im creating my own cream crew under my desk.
i always feel so weird and outlandish with the shit that comes outta my mouth, then i watch cream crew, and realize im not too weird after all. Good feeling, ngl.
54:17 Tom's determinist argument for the non-existence of freewill is predicated on the assumption that all actions are based on unconscious thoughts. But at this moment he actually describes free will in practice; being aware of thoughts that unwillingly come to you and deliberately deciding to do something contrary to them.
This will sound hella gay, so please flame me in the replies, but I really dig the vulnerability that Hunter's expressing in this video. It's a sign of maturity to recognize one's own limitations, but in recognizing such limitations it also enables opportunities to realize limitations that are within your scope of control and those that are external to you. Growth can now begin. Get turgid!
Hey Hunter guess what, 77% of your current audience wants to watch anything you make. Whatever you feel the passion to make, the. Make it. We love you and your art style.
I know what would cheer hunter up. A new episode of The Pilgrim! Seeing the end of this episode reminds me of when I was in the navy and standing quartermaster. Any time I had to go to the head, I had to get permission from the officer of the deck to step out of control and he would always say "very well quartermaster. Use the potty." But he would enunciate the t's in potty.
i like how all it takes is some vaguely psychological jargon and a dash of fatalism for tom and dom to believe anything. hunter's almost entirely right: the difference between the mindfulness practices of new age spiritualism and analytic psychology coached in chemical determinism is that tom and don have *chosen* to prefer the analytic psychology version of what boils down to, " breathe more and think about your reactions to things sometimes." tom is slowly being groomed into a turquoise-wearing aunt and i am so here for this arc.
Hunter I'll be watching everything that you do until the end. You may lose some fans but I'm not going anywhere you're definitely one of my favorite people on UA-cam. But it's good to see someone with your reputation have the same thoughts and fears as I do.
Dont worry. Most people hate their jobs far more than you do. Most have nevwr gotten any joy from it. Youve enjoyed most of your job because it is chosen through passion to begin with.
Hunter, honestly man. You got a good following and people wont abandon you even if you have 10 shit cartoons in a row. To be honest Flashgitz had a few that didn't drive me nuts but they will always be one of my favorite youtube channels. Just as yours will be. Keep your chin up sir.
This is a great episode. Some really interesting topics here. Definitely not big on the laughs, although the bit about Tom's dad getting a "pedicure" had me rolling.
I think the war hammer stuff is great since I got into it from my dad touting about it and having Warhammer lore on UA-cam blaring from his Kindle fire at all times of the day.
love you boys I was watching a bunch of older flashgitz videos I want to get into animation myself can you guys recommend any free to use programs that are not terrible? I understand basic keyframing tween and making symbols from back in the day from macromedia flash 8 etc. Regardless thank you for giving me/us something to listen to and to watch cheers!
@@drewwiden2253 I don't know how useful I would be but that's definitely a possibility maybe we can make a cream crew Flash game for Newgrounds or something lol You can figure out the scripting part and we can talk about it and I can create the assets possibly
@@terrabnadia1793 I always planned on doing most of the voice acting for my scripts but not all. Get the new grounds thing rolling or discord and see where things go.
Loved this episode guys. On the topic of consciousness you should check out Close Encounters of the 5th Kind. It is a Tinfoil hat and alien type documentry, but the sources given for the science behind consciousness is interesting and wether you're skeptic or a believer, the potential of it changing the world as Tom said is phenomenal.
Even if humans were deterministic machines the idea of "free will" is sort of a built in fail-safe mechanism that is able to prevent unwanted behavior by the the watcher from inside the cockpit of the machine that is reacting to the outside based on upbringing and genetics
Y'all should get Robin Williams on the podcast Edit: have a psychic call him from the shadow realm and have a first for podcasts. Pioneers you could say.
One of my Best Friends had a baby today, and I just want to say I love you guys. This was a great episode btw. not that it matters. not that any of this matters. fuck.
This is the internet, finding something to comment on when people have devoted lifetimes to one specific thing is hard. Just know that your skills and perspectives you bring to the table are amazing and bring new flavor to what you touch. Everytime I feel witty I end up finding 1d4chan did it better so I understand.
Hunter: I didnt even use it I keep forgetting Fleshlight: Oh so that's what we're doing papa meat.... okay I'll just leave the lubricant and heating rod out when Allison comes in but unused right? Silly games......
You should do an episode where you have that uncomfortableness of having to send food back at a restaurant and what happens when ur rude when you do it
I hate this whole free will doesn't exist because everything happens for a reason or because randomness exists or free will doesn't exist because we have a gap in knowledge on how things work.
Determinism is mostly about the future, basically the theory is that if you could measure every atom and everything put it in to a perfect formula you could know everything that will happen because everything that happens is determined to happen, its impossible to prove or disprove, also this theory states that when the universe began we could do this because they follow the determined path, a good argument against environmental determinism is if i give you a knife and you do nothing with it was anything really determined or changed when brought into the environment? and a good argument against spiritual determinism is ,if you are determined this way from birth than can you ever change? a true determinist will say no to both the knife shows how little the environment affects our decisions, and the question on change shows the lack of fact as it is scientifically proven that people change in multiple ways (personality wise) over time
Determinism makes sense if we were in a simulation. Doesn't fit the natural order well, which is something we have established much more understanding of.
in regards to the determinism thing. Seems like a really dumb way to look at the world, as if its reacting to people claiming they could choose to do things that are literally impossible like turn into cloud of gas. Freewill isnt about having infinite choices, its about being able to make any choice at all. If I can only pick between 2 cities on the planet I still have some level of freewill, and the concept of freewill is not a binary thing like anything sensible that is a generalised term for some concept its on a spectrum where you can not reasonably achieve either extreme. In choosing your favourite cities in the real world I cannot pick between more cities than those that exist or have existed or at least ones I am aware of, and I likewise cant not pick none of them or at least one of them. This is a choice thats impossible to stop someone thinking so they if nothing else have some level freewill to make a choice within that range of options with nothing also being an option unless of course this person literally has no idea about any single thing at all at which point their effectively dead and again this type of mental state isnt even possible. Right now I could choose to piss myself or go to toilet, if I choose one that is me making choice and if I argued "well I just had to piss myself because freewill doesn't exist" any normal sane person would correctly call me out on it. This entire idea seems extremely impractical and totally flawed, as if because I cant choose to emit the piss from my body as vapour means I dont have freewill. Reality is finite literally nothing is infinite in reality there is border to it, there are only so many grains of sand on a beach etc. Never has the concept of Freewill been realistically thought of by society as being "you are god and can choose anything beyond any constraint imaginable." probably the worst thing about determinism is how worthless and self deafting it is, if we assume its all true which it is and isnt, then we have no reason to take any action differently at all. There is perfectly sound reasoning within the framework of determinism to do totally illogical things, hate for someone doing something wrong isnt irrational when it serves multiple purposes like teach other broken machines not do x wrong thing or frankly a near infinite level of mind twisting you could do to make near anything logical. This level of philosophy is totally worthless and is if anything harmful, it requires you to totally disengage with human reality in way that serves no meaningful purpose other than potentially tricking yourself into more desirable behaviours meaning it is intentionally stupid. It just subjecting yourself to a mental equivalent of tounge twister in hopes it will result in you doing something better your wanted to do anyway before hand, frankly its the sort of rational that reeks of the sort of mental gymnastics that you see con-merchants peddle.
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To everyone saying Don and I are wrong about determinism, I just want you to know that we know you had no choice in saying that and we forgive you.
Sir, you had no choice but to say that you knew anything about determinism. HOWEVER, I had the choice to define how I frame my response to you. This response was predetermined by your attempt to assert determinism as a framework to explain life. I had many means of illustrating my response, I coudl use memes, I could call you gay, or I could pause and let that bubbling up of ideas process until I truly felt that I had selected the right bubbles of ideas.
As self awareness increases, so too does the understanding and resolution of the responses that are available to someone, enabling a conscious expression of self in what you had assumed to be simply an automatic response to being. A truly ignorant person will be unable to stop themselves from responding like a cur, but someone to whom the discussion revolves around a specialization of their life will perceive a wealth of responses that operates as their own personal playground of expression. The proof for this is the variation of response options available to the master that would each achieve a variety of external results from which he selects his desired outcome. You could try to assert that determinism is still at play here, but then you're arguing for the capacity to choose an optimal outcome for the self as deterministic, at which point your determinism means the exact same thing as free will.
It's all just silly games with you two. Especially, Don.
I really enjoyed the discussion. My views are basically the same with a slightly different point of view. Keep up the awesome work guys!
Out of what?
I liked the discussion very interesting stuff to throw in every once in a while. It was funny seeing hunter short circuit as soon as you started 😂 Mr.Harvard Yale elite for sure
It doesn't matter how much the analytics drop. We, the Cream Crew fans, the REAL fans, will always be there. All 1,000 of us.
I rally for you
Preach
Listen guys, Warhammer is sick because it is something that people can get behind. It is both hysterical and badass. I mean, no one wants to get stuck in something and not feel creative but man its good shit. Also, Hunter, you're not terrible. You're not losing ideas. This is just a slight slump. The Flashgitz boys went through the same deal. Especially with mama UA-cam breathing down peoples necks. I fricken loved the Yokai cartoon and the Nickocaudo toon.
I really appreciate you guys. I work part time, school full time, and I'm a parent and this is like, one of the simple things I look forward too.
Keep up the good work.
Guys please my heart can only handle so much excitement. The smoothness of your three voices can drive a man wild. Im creating my own cream crew under my desk.
Wow that determinism sounds like a great way to avoid responsibility.
i always feel so weird and outlandish with the shit that comes outta my mouth, then i watch cream crew, and realize im not too weird after all.
Good feeling, ngl.
bro i love your channel why am i not surprised you like cream crew
@@jasontodd2600 Thanks fam! I try my best! 😅
Saaaaaaame. This shit makes me feel way better.
"Outta What!?"
"What are we even talking about?"
"Hrr Hrr Silly Games"
I cannot explain how much I love this podcast and wish it was a daily release.
Thank you tom and dom. You guys got me into warhammer and I just spent 6 hours painting my first mini. I want to blow my brains on the ceiling 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This sounds like disassociation with extra steps.
The panic attack talk was a very real moment, good shit hunter.
3:20 and it is forever my favorite flashgitz toon
I like how Don’s corner is particularly dark this episode. He looks ready to tell a horror story
he is like gollum, he has very human eyes
He is a rather Christopher Lee type isn't he? He could tell a good horror story i think yeah
I really appreciate that first conversation as a fellow artist struggling to find reasons to keep going. Glad I'm not alone tbh.
I see Don has finally been banished to his own little dark, goblin corner
54:17
Tom's determinist argument for the non-existence of freewill is predicated on the assumption that all actions are based on unconscious thoughts. But at this moment he actually describes free will in practice; being aware of thoughts that unwillingly come to you and deliberately deciding to do something contrary to them.
This will sound hella gay, so please flame me in the replies, but I really dig the vulnerability that Hunter's expressing in this video. It's a sign of maturity to recognize one's own limitations, but in recognizing such limitations it also enables opportunities to realize limitations that are within your scope of control and those that are external to you. Growth can now begin. Get turgid!
fellas is it gay to have an opinion
@Ray Freund was just a joke brother
Gay
P funny reading this while listening to them making queef noises
Bruh, gay much?
Hey Hunter guess what, 77% of your current audience wants to watch anything you make. Whatever you feel the passion to make, the. Make it. We love you and your art style.
Just 77%?
@@riosmax4317 that’s just a bold assumption that at least 33% of people are just watching for a weird horror fetish.
I know what would cheer hunter up. A new episode of The Pilgrim! Seeing the end of this episode reminds me of when I was in the navy and standing quartermaster. Any time I had to go to the head, I had to get permission from the officer of the deck to step out of control and he would always say "very well quartermaster. Use the potty." But he would enunciate the t's in potty.
i like how all it takes is some vaguely psychological jargon and a dash of fatalism for tom and dom to believe anything. hunter's almost entirely right: the difference between the mindfulness practices of new age spiritualism and analytic psychology coached in chemical determinism is that tom and don have *chosen* to prefer the analytic psychology version of what boils down to, " breathe more and think about your reactions to things sometimes."
tom is slowly being groomed into a turquoise-wearing aunt and i am so here for this arc.
Hunter I'll be watching everything that you do until the end. You may lose some fans but I'm not going anywhere you're definitely one of my favorite people on UA-cam. But it's good to see someone with your reputation have the same thoughts and fears as I do.
Btw the space Marines toons are fucking fantastic! I have gotten into the lore of space Marines because of your toons thanks 👍 legit interesting
Dont worry. Most people hate their jobs far more than you do. Most have nevwr gotten any joy from it. Youve enjoyed most of your job because it is chosen through passion to begin with.
Love the design of y'all's recording room
It took 3 weeks but I’m finally caught up. Great episode guys.
Thanks for the video guys!
"Devs" was an interesting series that tackled determinism. Can recommend giving it a watch.
Continue the Bob the Yokai universe where the man hunts down different early kid show Yokai getting to Bob the builder
Jumanji with just your hand to ultimate pleasure treasure. Both enticing titles 😂
Silly games
I wonder what a fusion of all 3 of the crew would result in
My favorite phrase for taking a piss is "I gotta go shake my wife's best friends hand"
Meat had the free will to choose whether or not to answer you
God damn, this episode is a roller coaster I don't want to leave.
Hunter, honestly man. You got a good following and people wont abandon you even if you have 10 shit cartoons in a row. To be honest Flashgitz had a few that didn't drive me nuts but they will always be one of my favorite youtube channels. Just as yours will be. Keep your chin up sir.
Love it boys always fun watching you guys have bs conversations
don is in the dark corner playing silly games with the guys toes
a lot of critical insight in this one. Keep it up gents
This is a great episode. Some really interesting topics here. Definitely not big on the laughs, although the bit about Tom's dad getting a "pedicure" had me rolling.
Can’t wait for some more monster lab 🤌🏾
It feels like 40 k has never been more popular, that astartes video that came out last year brought back a lot interest into the ip
Whenever hunter and Tom start screaming together I always lose it
This is my favorite blackpill podcast
3 podcast every week I gotta watch cream crew, light out, n sammy the bulls podcast
I think the war hammer stuff is great since I got into it from my dad touting about it and having Warhammer lore on UA-cam blaring from his Kindle fire at all times of the day.
3:00 yes we would watch it,
bring back the ostrogoth chapter in a cameo for old time nostalgia.
Make people go look for your hold stuff
I was testing it. seeing if it had the smell of defeat. proud of you
9:16 All I can say is thank god for smartphones, the ability to record your ideas is so important for creative work.
Free will arguement is still debated. I study it professionally
love you boys I was watching a bunch of older flashgitz videos I want to get into animation myself can you guys recommend any free to use programs that are not terrible? I understand basic keyframing tween and making symbols from back in the day from macromedia flash 8 etc.
Regardless thank you for giving me/us something to listen to and to watch cheers!
Wanna collab? I know how to write scripts and I’ve made several, now I need to learn the animation process and do it.
@@drewwiden2253 I don't know how useful I would be but that's definitely a possibility maybe we can make a cream crew Flash game for Newgrounds or something lol
You can figure out the scripting part and we can talk about it and I can create the assets possibly
Let me know your new grounds handle and I’ll message you about it after work.
You fellas need any voice actors? I’m kind of trying to dip my toes into VA. I’d like to think I’m pretty decent
@@terrabnadia1793 I always planned on doing most of the voice acting for my scripts but not all. Get the new grounds thing rolling or discord and see where things go.
43:39 “Disney hive-mind people” *hums the Shrek theme*
Albinoblacksheep! ❤️
So vile the dog conversation hahahaha
I can’t wait to read reviews on the fleshlight for Ana Foxxx’s “if it’s good enough for Hunter Handcock…it’s good enough for me” 5 stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Wish these were twice or so a week rather then just once a week.
Great and interesting episode! It was good learning experience w the first half and near the end. Hilarious too! 🤘🏽🐐🐐🐐
40:48 it is impossible not to laugh at that scream
I know I can't be alone in wanting more pilgrim
Loved this episode guys. On the topic of consciousness you should check out Close Encounters of the 5th Kind. It is a Tinfoil hat and alien type documentry, but the sources given for the science behind consciousness is interesting and wether you're skeptic or a believer, the potential of it changing the world as Tom said is phenomenal.
Even if humans were deterministic machines the idea of "free will" is sort of a built in fail-safe mechanism that is able to prevent unwanted behavior by the the watcher from inside the cockpit of the machine that is reacting to the outside based on upbringing and genetics
I want more eternal crusade
I love watching Nathan for You.
"Disney's Pleasure Planet" sounds like something GW will copyright strike.
And then made cannon.
I swear to God every time you guys talk about dogs holy shit 😆
I love how they go from talking about a heated sex toy and screaming moaning, to contemplating human consciousness in a matter of minutes
Y'all should get Robin Williams on the podcast
Edit: have a psychic call him from the shadow realm and have a first for podcasts. Pioneers you could say.
The buried Fleshlight drum: *Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*
Uncovered: *BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*
One of my Best Friends had a baby today, and I just want to say I love you guys. This was a great episode btw. not that it matters. not that any of this matters. fuck.
This is the internet, finding something to comment on when people have devoted lifetimes to one specific thing is hard. Just know that your skills and perspectives you bring to the table are amazing and bring new flavor to what you touch. Everytime I feel witty I end up finding 1d4chan did it better so I understand.
would love to see animation on old jumaji : )
1:05:33 This MUST be animated lol
Can we get an OG Thundercats style opening with all the boys answering the Cream Crew signal?
Hunter: I didnt even use it I keep forgetting
Fleshlight: Oh so that's what we're doing papa meat.... okay I'll just leave the lubricant and heating rod out when Allison comes in but unused right? Silly games......
Bring back Day Drinkin with Bruce!
You should do an episode where you have that uncomfortableness of having to send food back at a restaurant and what happens when ur rude when you do it
Make cartoons about unnecessarily popular video games or movies to poke fun at. I do it mentally all the time, especially television advertisements.
Is Dons corner getting darker?
Constantly. It reflects his mood and desires.
Never thought I'd hear Don lord over someone about coffee.
When he said think of a city I chose Seattle but that's because that's the only city near me
I feel like meatcanyon would be a great guest animator for a Love,Death,Robot episode
This podcast helps my depression
Mindfulness is the spiritual. It originally a Buddhist practice. Sam Harris and the mindful market is a new concept and a business now.
And then there's Zuthura.
Btw Hunter, I still have nightmares about stink fiend...
dog's droll is mostly helpful only for dogs
I hate this whole free will doesn't exist because everything happens for a reason or because randomness exists or free will doesn't exist because we have a gap in knowledge on how things work.
5 ibuprofen 3 cloves of garlic and two zynn packets with tomato sauce base. Thats amore
I Wake up to this Sh*t
Did the pilgrim go well? I liked the concept, Hunter seemed passionate about it, and I felt that the one episode that was released was pretty good
RIP the original title.
goomanji
Determinism is mostly about the future, basically the theory is that if you could measure every atom and everything put it in to a perfect formula you could know everything that will happen because everything that happens is determined to happen, its impossible to prove or disprove, also this theory states that when the universe began we could do this because they follow the determined path, a good argument against environmental determinism is if i give you a knife and you do nothing with it was anything really determined or changed when brought into the environment? and a good argument against spiritual determinism is ,if you are determined this way from birth than can you ever change? a true determinist will say no to both the knife shows how little the environment affects our decisions, and the question on change shows the lack of fact as it is scientifically proven that people change in multiple ways (personality wise) over time
Is consciousnesses is just you on a ride watching your brain react to stimuli, then my brain is neurotic as hell.
FURRY APOCALYPSE SERIES IS THE BEST THING ON THAT CHANNEL BESIDE AWESOME ADS AND RACIST MARIO HANDS DOWN … WE NEED MORE !!!
wondering if yall know about ifunny but im not supposed to talk about that
Determinism makes sense if we were in a simulation. Doesn't fit the natural order well, which is something we have established much more understanding of.
Imagine getting over your insecurities and yal team up and be like Zach Hadel
Why aren't you guys on smiling friends?
We tell our dogs “go pee”
in regards to the determinism thing.
Seems like a really dumb way to look at the world, as if its reacting to people claiming they could choose to do things that are literally impossible like turn into cloud of gas. Freewill isnt about having infinite choices, its about being able to make any choice at all.
If I can only pick between 2 cities on the planet I still have some level of freewill, and the concept of freewill is not a binary thing like anything sensible that is a generalised term for some concept its on a spectrum where you can not reasonably achieve either extreme.
In choosing your favourite cities in the real world I cannot pick between more cities than those that exist or have existed or at least ones I am aware of, and I likewise cant not pick none of them or at least one of them. This is a choice thats impossible to stop someone thinking so they if nothing else have some level freewill to make a choice within that range of options with nothing also being an option unless of course this person literally has no idea about any single thing at all at which point their effectively dead and again this type of mental state isnt even possible.
Right now I could choose to piss myself or go to toilet, if I choose one that is me making choice and if I argued "well I just had to piss myself because freewill doesn't exist" any normal sane person would correctly call me out on it. This entire idea seems extremely impractical and totally flawed, as if because I cant choose to emit the piss from my body as vapour means I dont have freewill.
Reality is finite literally nothing is infinite in reality there is border to it, there are only so many grains of sand on a beach etc. Never has the concept of Freewill been realistically thought of by society as being "you are god and can choose anything beyond any constraint imaginable."
probably the worst thing about determinism is how worthless and self deafting it is, if we assume its all true which it is and isnt, then we have no reason to take any action differently at all. There is perfectly sound reasoning within the framework of determinism to do totally illogical things, hate for someone doing something wrong isnt irrational when it serves multiple purposes like teach other broken machines not do x wrong thing or frankly a near infinite level of mind twisting you could do to make near anything logical.
This level of philosophy is totally worthless and is if anything harmful, it requires you to totally disengage with human reality in way that serves no meaningful purpose other than potentially tricking yourself into more desirable behaviours meaning it is intentionally stupid. It just subjecting yourself to a mental equivalent of tounge twister in hopes it will result in you doing something better your wanted to do anyway before hand, frankly its the sort of rational that reeks of the sort of mental gymnastics that you see con-merchants peddle.