2023-09-03 San Diego Ramana Satsang: How to distinguish the pure ‘I’ from the thought called ‘I’?
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- In a Zoom meeting with the San Diego Ramana Satsang (ramana-satsang-sd@googlegroups.com) on 3rd September 2023, Michael answers various questions about Bhagavan’s teachings.
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Thank you soo much Michael.very clear explanation of grasping of the form.i have had this experience twice and as soon as I grasp what is this ,IT disappears.
Wherever you touch the sweet, it is sweet ; in the same way whatever our questions may be, Michael sir concludes ,only and only self exist, there can't be anything other than this.
Very true hearing his speech is in itself is Self Enquiry 🙏🏼 All the wonderful questions by seekers are really awesome. Great souls 🙏🏼
Tks for doing this y'all. I hope you know how much it's appreciated.
I would be so lost to NOT have this sacred connection and Enlightenment/Liberation teaching from a direct conduit from Bhagavan.
Wow--learning and enjoying so much!
Thanks for explaining Ramana Maharshi teachings so succently, Michael ji. ❤❤❤😊😊 😊
Very profound session by Sir, Michael James, Om Namo Namo Bhagvate Arunachalramanay 🙏🙏🌺🌺
Thank you very much🌹🌹.
Respects to the great masters and spiritual teachers... words can explain but it's ultimately the experience..that experience comes when we fully surrender under hopelessness...it's like when stomach is full we don't feel anything....hit the bottom of your life with no hope then you start to experience the true self with unlimited courage and happiness..for me that's the only way to realise self when hopelessness takes away every little desire...
Just about to finish The Happiness of Being. It seems that I need constant repetition of the core teachings in order for it to eventually sink in. Namaste.
That was a wonderful answer by Michael James! He thoroughly explains it. Always deep answers to the questions! Thanks a lot 🙏
Excellent description on manolaya and manonaasa. What a clarity...Superb.
Thank you!! 🤗🙏🧡💚🧡
Brahman is what's shining in the heart as I. Sums it up nicely.
Namo Ramana Ted, Sairam . I could not agree more with you in all that you have shared in this video. Thank you for the beautiful quote : Shifting sands of time reveal the inadequacy of nirvikalpa samadhi , not to speak of all other states of manolaya ~ beautifully explained by Brother Michael James - to Sum up Ted its a Purna Renunciation of Every thing and even the breathing - the calmness of the mind in and as a continuity steadfastly , hold onto self-attentiveness will with the Eternal Grace it will be ManoNasha - a Permanent Dissolution of the Mind. Aum Namo Ramanaya 🙏🙏🙏
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ATMA ONDRU ~ AUM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI ARUNACHALARAMANAYA ~ 🙏🙏🙏
If only pure awareness exists, where does ego arise from and why? Why is it that ego arises?
Thank you as always Michael. Fantastic Q & A :)
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Thank You! 🙏
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Michael in great form here.
When I give my attention to mind I am dissatisfied.
My mind is never content with any of the answers to my questions.
When I give my attention to my sheer existence my mind relaxes into a molten warmth of loving peace.
Eventually my mind protests and insists on having my attention back.
So I ask my mind.
"Why do you want unsatisfactoryness?"
"Let us remain in that which shines in the heart as I AM."
"Let us be done with it".
Hi John.
Am I correct in thinking that if I am applying consistent effort turning my attention within according to Bhagwan's instructions for practising Vichara then the guru/God will bear any burden necessary in order for me to remain inwardly attentive/practising Vichara?
@@johnmcdonald260 Hi John.
Are there different intensities of vichara?
For example if the conditions are favourable then one may find the vichara going significantly deeper than at other times?
If guru puts us in challenging circumstances then the practise is more difficult but could lead to increased confidence and more developed skill?
When I notice that my attention has strayed to thoughts I realign my attention back to 'I am'.
Previously I didn't acknowledge that I was already directing my attention towards my life interests.
I ignored this in favour of declaring that vichara is dualism in action.
Now I have realised that vichara is that same attention redirected towards that which is Truly fulfilling.
We are all practising the art of directing attention.
So why not direct the attention towards something that will make us happy.
It feels as though Bhagwan is within me.
There is a sense of steadiness when I turn within.
If I wasn't subject to His grace I don't think I could do it.
It's as though He has taken up residence within me in order that I might have a sense of tangible 'I amness'.
But I am a novice so perhaps it is just a temporary measure to help me become established in the practice.
Concerning the purpose of Ramana as an avatar, after deeply going into it, I feel that it is not the explicit (oral and written) teaching, but the silence of the presence of the teacher for which he came. His legacy, in the seeming absence of Ramana is the scriptures (verses) we have. But I feel the formal process of self-investigation is meant for us who are not immediately aware of the presence of the Master, yet at some point surrender to the silent presence is necessary. Today I read this excerpt which seems to corroborate that feeling:
M: You will know in due course that your glory lies where you cease to exist. In order to gain that state, you should surrender yourself. Then the Master sees that you are in a fit state to receive guidance, and He guides you.
D: How can the silence of the Guru, who gives no initiation nor does any other tangible act, be more powerful than His word etc.? How is such silence
better than the study of scriptures?
M: Silence is the most potent form of work. However vast and emphatic the scriptures may be, they fail in their effect. The Guru is quiet and Grace prevails in all. This silence is more vast and more emphatic than all the scriptures put together.
- Maharshi's Gospel, P27-28
@@johnmcdonald260 I only used the word "avatar" to encapsulate the idea that Michael expressed that Ramana was here with a "purpose". Then I did not say that it's about "feeling the presences" but that I feel that is about the presence of the Master. I imply that there is only one Master. Not Ramana and other Masters, or Avatars. Surrendering to the One Master, is key. And self-investigation is what reveals that key. In that sense, the presence or absence of Ramana is immaterial. But of course, with his presence the focus of "silent transmission" was more accessible. In his "absence" there is perhaps a bit more work in general to dispel the idea that the Master is not present ...
@@johnmcdonald260 where do I say that is about "feeling" the presence of the Master? I say the presence of the Master is key. Why do you turn that into a feeling? We could discuss what that presence is if not a feeling ... if you "feel" like it ... ;-)
@@filip5 when you say that," in his presence the focus of " silent transmission " was more accessible " ,you limit the power of the Guru in time and space. If his silent transmissions were only accessible when he was in his body then again you've assigned a limited form to the illimitable. Once bhagvan told a devotee who's Guru had telescopic inner vision and could see people and places that were far off. Bhagvan Said ,what difference does it make if the vision is near or far? It's still the same vision!
@@harjotmahal8985 I agree, but I did not mean it that way. I mean to say that we have the illusion that the Master is absent and so we need formal self-investigation. At some point we need to realize that the Master is present anyway and surrender. The Master is none other than the Self. Ramana came in the flesh to dispell that illusion, paradoxically making the silence of self-abiding accessible in his physical presence, so that we can be free of the physical. Seeing a photograph of him or even thinking of him works the same way. Yet at some point all that needs to go through surrender. It would be limiting to not allow this process of approach, through the physical, through thinking of him, through the oral and written teaching even, to say that only the Self is real. For then the coming of Ramana is meaningless. He comes to make his coming redundant. That's the freedom of compassion.
``i am ``is a choice of identification, as well as ``I``
when to ``be ``,there is no`` i`` and no`` i am`` ,there is only what is.when creating`` i am ``i identio fy with mind and thought.so just be.
when you are ``aware`` you reflect of`` to be``, the expierience,so you identify with that so you are not , (Not beeing )
Been practicing please explain what to know by way of confirmation, what are the flagposts, so to speak, of discernment to be the pure " i " ? - Thank you for the explanation Namo Ramana 🥰
It is telling that no one has responded to this in 5 months, sadly. It is a very good question. How do we know we are doing it right? aRe there signs of getting closer? I wonder what MJ would say. Is it discursive or not, or somewhat so? Is it purely silent, no mental talk process? If one has done this for considerable time and not seen anything, is one wasting one's time, sinking in quicksand, so to speak, lost in a fog? I am disappointed that this crucial question has drawn no response, whereas if we were serious, which we indeed are, it is difficult to account for why no one responded.
Om namo bhagavate Sri Ramanaya. Can I join this meeting.? Could you please post the link. Many Thanks!
Namaskaram. Please see happinessofbeing.com/contact.html#zoom
Namo Ramanaya
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Summarised as:
Real 'I' is pure awareness only or SAT CHIT ANANDA.
Ego is the snake in the rope analogy.
Real 'I' is miscontrued as the Ego mixed up with adjuncts or objects by Jeeva bhava.
The only reality is the Subject or pure I, not the manifested subject-object duo of Ego and mind/objects.The real I is the root of ego and so retrace the Source or Subject by keen observation or introspection.
Real 'I' cannot be an object of meditation,rather the source /substrate or witness.
The core is Pure I / SELF called as BRAHMAN or reality behind the ego.
.Ego the first thought is the projector, and is manifested SELF only, since there is only the SELF in reality.
JUST BE means retracing to be the source of the rising formless phantum called ego.
Investigate or observe the mind and ego and hold on to its origin,so as to slow down the projected thoughts and ultimately for permanent dissolution or naasha.Vasanas are not burnt in Mano naasha.Hold on to the SELF always to eliminate the Ego and mind .
Ego grabs name and form for its existence but in reality is manifested SELF entangled with adjuncts.
Doership and Enjoyership is the very nature of ego attaching with the five sheath body.Ego is forced awareness or false identity.Do self investigation by turning inward so as to remove the false ego.
Investigate I ,know I and remain in I. The purport of all Mahavakyas is to turn within to be the SELF.
SELF is beyond thought.Turn within by questionning Who am I ? . Being the SELF or in the Heart or real 'I' is Brahman meditation.
Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!
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where's Jody ...
i miss her
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52min.
Why worry about other teachers?
Would Bhagavan even care?
You stopped naming them, but we KNOW who you're talking about if he has 200.000 subscribers and charges 160£/year.
I'm incredibly happy about your teachings. Thanks much for that !