Gonna be a broken record, but oh boy I wish Veritas made this sort of thing for their combo plane. Wish I had seen this video before I had bought the hollow and round cutters from a 55 for my Veritas. :)
As for the “45s” thing… I have these little plastic centers I put in them to play them on my “record” player. There is a deep connection between older music media and vintage Stanley tools in here somewhere I am sure.
Thankyou I am very interested to here anything about the Stanley 45. I really need to find a wooden nob and screw. Slowly 🐌 my $39.00 dollar 45 will be completely finished.
I think this is a great use of a 3D printer to make a plastic version of the soles. Then one needs to create the metal chisel to match. And you wouldn't be limited to hollows and rounds.
You would have to do some serious engineering to make the plastic strong enough to not flex and still be held on by only the steel rods. You end up putting a decent amount of pressure on it to keep it in place. But it would be kind of fun to engineer.
Great information. I have a mixture of moulding (wooden, metal) planes. But, I sold my 55 as it was too cumbersome. I set out the profile of the wanted mould on the end grain, and select what PLanes I have and off I go...
I made a custom kerfing plane attachment for use with a 45 by drilling holes for the guide rods through a block of oak (just because I had oak to hand) then tapping holes into the oak for rod clamps as per the standard 45 fence, and then installing a length of saw blade. This was an idle experiment as I had all the materials to hand, I hadn't thought a kerfing plane would have much practical use, but being able to cut precise parallel saw kerfs is incredibly useful! The drilled mounting works really well for attaching to the 45 which then leaves you the standard challenges involved in making a traditional wooden hollow/round plane. There are several youTube how-to vids to guide you on that process, plus Matthew Biskford's excellent Moulding In Practice book (order from Lost Art Press) provides the critical geometry information. Plus, if you're going to use hollows and rounds to their full potential you NEED Matthew's book!! I guess the alternative would be to drill guide rod holes through existing wooden hollows/rounds, and add rod clamps, but I personally can't bring myself to cut into antique tools (okay, I admit I'm a compulsive restorer who keeps buying 'beyond all hope' antique 'bargains' and then bringing them back to full working order, hence my collection of err... 'more than a couple' of Stanley 45s).
I think what may also have worked against Stanley was that spindle moulders (shapers) were becoming much more common at the same time as these were introduced.
May I help you? When you have more than one radius, you have multiple radii. Those sole attachments are really cool! But, not every monkey can split with the bananas in order to buy the 45 or the 55. They seem to be very cost prohibitive for the average woodworker. Thanks for the information.
Just an idea... can you make wooden attachments to put on the skate of the #55? I'm not sure how you'd attach them tho'. Maybe with a kerf for the skate blade and some small set screws to secure them? You might need to drill a few small holes for the screws to seat in. I'm not sure how many owners would be willing to do that tho'.
You could. But if you want to make a wooden attachment it would be better to put it on the fence rather than the skate. It already has mounting points for it.
Paul Sellers recently made a candlebox. In the process he hand planes a round with a standard plane, a 4 or 5 maybe I think. His was awesome… mine… well its gonna take some practice. How would you create a round with less specialized tools. I mean a dowel and sandpaper could work but is there a better way? Brace and bit?
I’ve certainly seen Paul Sellers doing a bullnose (round over) with a number 4. It is actually quite easy with a little bit of practice. Not really the same as planing an ogee profile with a pair of hollow and round planes.
I recently waitched Paul Sellers older (8 yr ago) videos on "Building a wall clock". Part way thru, he uses a gouge (?) and a dowel+sandpaper to make a bit of cove moulding. He then shows a trick for making a bead profile with little more than a screw-thru-scrap block (and some touch up with a saw and some sand paper) and the final result is amazing.
Morning James, have you done a video of how to 'drill' a smallish divot, I am looking at making a solitaire game and need to make 37 divots per board to position marbles. As I'm a cheap SOB I'll be using ply and due to my disability the idea of using carving tools (even on solid wood) wouldn't be a safe idea. I'll also be using 'demon' tools.
I'm actually in the middle of making a Chinese checkers board and we'll be doing a video on that in the next month or so. I'm currently experimenting with a few bits to find out what exactly is the best one for that. Although right now I'm just leaning towards drilling a 3/8 inch hole with a standard auger bit rather than making it perfectly round. We will see though.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo My 'thought' was to use a core box bit, drilling in a millimeter or 2 with the right sized bit (15mm) and then going to depth with the router bit. Not sure how the router bit will work in the drill, but figure they both spin the bit at a high speed so... This time I will definitely be using my drill press rig to avoid the blood and gore post on discord.
I thought about that. They would have to be really well designed to take that kind of force. But it might be doable. You would also need to get the irons.
Pretty sure that Stanley #55 was designed by a Steam Punker. Interesting stuff James! 7:18 What did you trade them for? Haven't seen your wife for a while....
I traded a large rip cut hand saw. Sarah joins us for the live videos on tuesdays. She doesn't do a whole lot of woodworking though. As she works full-time she doesn't have that much time.
It was a 5-1/2 point rip saw. I really had no need for the hollow and round and James was looking for them. I had commissioned a small set of lefty hollows and rounds.
@@planeoldwoodworking that’s very kind. I just saw one on eBay that was going for almost what I paid for a half matched set of skewed h/r’s. I thought he may have traded the Stanley 51 Chute plane!😂😂
Glad to see my old 45 moulding set put to use.
Glad I could finally show them off!
I got my set via an English online auction about 30 years ago.
Hollows & rounds are quite useful for making linen fold panels.
James, loved the explanation of the differences between the 45 & 55
It even makes me desire to have a 55, and I do not even own a pull saw.
singles, soul searching, finding a matching soul, dating, ranking profiles, what kind of channel is this?
Yeah...they need to reproduce these. I would definitely love that...in a reasonable price bracket.
Gonna be a broken record, but oh boy I wish Veritas made this sort of thing for their combo plane. Wish I had seen this video before I had bought the hollow and round cutters from a 55 for my Veritas. :)
I was waiting for….”thanks to a Jeff at Reed Planes” in this video
LOL he has been putting a lot like that lately!
As for the “45s” thing… I have these little plastic centers I put in them to play them on my “record” player. There is a deep connection between older music media and vintage Stanley tools in here somewhere I am sure.
Did Stanley make a 33 1/3?
#33 Transitional Jointer plane
@@warrenmunn3224 Don't forget 78s
Thankyou I am very interested to here anything about the Stanley 45. I really need to find a wooden nob and screw. Slowly 🐌 my $39.00 dollar 45 will be completely finished.
I think this is a great use of a 3D printer to make a plastic version of the soles. Then one needs to create the metal chisel to match. And you wouldn't be limited to hollows and rounds.
You would have to do some serious engineering to make the plastic strong enough to not flex and still be held on by only the steel rods. You end up putting a decent amount of pressure on it to keep it in place. But it would be kind of fun to engineer.
That is a very cool tool. Thanks James.
Pretty interesting stuff indeed, James! Thanks for the lesson! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great information. I have a mixture of moulding (wooden, metal) planes. But, I sold my 55 as it was too cumbersome. I set out the profile of the wanted mould on the end grain, and select what PLanes I have and off I go...
WOW........... I was only thinking this the other day !
These attachments are so cool. I’ve been thinking of ways to hack together a set for mine with wood soles
I made a custom kerfing plane attachment for use with a 45 by drilling holes for the guide rods through a block of oak (just because I had oak to hand) then tapping holes into the oak for rod clamps as per the standard 45 fence, and then installing a length of saw blade. This was an idle experiment as I had all the materials to hand, I hadn't thought a kerfing plane would have much practical use, but being able to cut precise parallel saw kerfs is incredibly useful! The drilled mounting works really well for attaching to the 45 which then leaves you the standard challenges involved in making a traditional wooden hollow/round plane. There are several youTube how-to vids to guide you on that process, plus Matthew Biskford's excellent Moulding In Practice book (order from Lost Art Press) provides the critical geometry information. Plus, if you're going to use hollows and rounds to their full potential you NEED Matthew's book!!
I guess the alternative would be to drill guide rod holes through existing wooden hollows/rounds, and add rod clamps, but I personally can't bring myself to cut into antique tools (okay, I admit I'm a compulsive restorer who keeps buying 'beyond all hope' antique 'bargains' and then bringing them back to full working order, hence my collection of err... 'more than a couple' of Stanley 45s).
Very interesting, thanks
Thanks for sharing.
I think what may also have worked against Stanley was that spindle moulders (shapers) were becoming much more common at the same time as these were introduced.
May I help you? When you have more than one radius, you have multiple radii. Those sole attachments are really cool! But, not every monkey can split with the bananas in order to buy the 45 or the 55. They seem to be very cost prohibitive for the average woodworker. Thanks for the information.
Those look cool. I wonder if a 45 could have wood attached to a spare fence to get this function.
sure. it would be fun to attach correctly but you could modify a fence to do that.
,a cool video keep up the great content.. Thank you……
Just an idea... can you make wooden attachments to put on the skate of the #55? I'm not sure how you'd attach them tho'. Maybe with a kerf for the skate blade and some small set screws to secure them? You might need to drill a few small holes for the screws to seat in. I'm not sure how many owners would be willing to do that tho'.
You could. But if you want to make a wooden attachment it would be better to put it on the fence rather than the skate. It already has mounting points for it.
Paul Sellers recently made a candlebox. In the process he hand planes a round with a standard plane, a 4 or 5 maybe I think. His was awesome… mine… well its gonna take some practice. How would you create a round with less specialized tools. I mean a dowel and sandpaper could work but is there a better way? Brace and bit?
you could jut carve it with a chisel or gouge. it sounds daunting, but with a pit of practice it is fairly easy.
I’ve certainly seen Paul Sellers doing a bullnose (round over) with a number 4. It is actually quite easy with a little bit of practice. Not really the same as planing an ogee profile with a pair of hollow and round planes.
I recently waitched Paul Sellers older (8 yr ago) videos on "Building a wall clock". Part way thru, he uses a gouge (?) and a dowel+sandpaper to make a bit of cove moulding. He then shows a trick for making a bead profile with little more than a screw-thru-scrap block (and some touch up with a saw and some sand paper) and the final result is amazing.
Did Stanley make a full set of H & R for the 45 or just 6, 8, 10, and 12?
Just the 6, 8, 10, and 12.
Nice!
Should I model the full set and 3d print them?
I'm thinking a set would eliminate the last reason for me to drag out my screaming Porter Cable for planking joints on my "last boat"
there is a 45 with 10 hollows and rounds here in canada on ebay for $1500 cdn
Morning James, have you done a video of how to 'drill' a smallish divot, I am looking at making a solitaire game and need to make 37 divots per board to position marbles.
As I'm a cheap SOB I'll be using ply and due to my disability the idea of using carving tools (even on solid wood) wouldn't be a safe idea. I'll also be using 'demon' tools.
I'm actually in the middle of making a Chinese checkers board and we'll be doing a video on that in the next month or so. I'm currently experimenting with a few bits to find out what exactly is the best one for that. Although right now I'm just leaning towards drilling a 3/8 inch hole with a standard auger bit rather than making it perfectly round. We will see though.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Router with a core box bit???? LOL
@@WoodByWrightHowTo My 'thought' was to use a core box bit, drilling in a millimeter or 2 with the right sized bit (15mm) and then going to depth with the router bit. Not sure how the router bit will work in the drill, but figure they both spin the bit at a high speed so...
This time I will definitely be using my drill press rig to avoid the blood and gore post on discord.
How about 3D Printing a set of Stanley hollows and rounds???? Just the extra effort of drawing it once in the CADD software. Then press the button.
I thought about that. They would have to be really well designed to take that kind of force. But it might be doable. You would also need to get the irons.
As far as I can judge from the video these hollows and rounds attachments would take up as much space as the wooden planes
They are a good deal smaller in all 3 dimensions. And you can slide them all onto a rod for storage
Pretty sure that Stanley #55 was designed by a Steam Punker. Interesting stuff James!
7:18 What did you trade them for? Haven't seen your wife for a while....
I traded a large rip cut hand saw. Sarah joins us for the live videos on tuesdays. She doesn't do a whole lot of woodworking though. As she works full-time she doesn't have that much time.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo thank God you kept Sarah!
I saw a full set of these for sale the other day while looking for a 45 Plane. I was wondering what they were. Besides STUPID expensive. LOL
So, are you at liberty to say what the trade was?
I honestly can't remember. It was several months ago. But I know one of the items included was a large rip saw.
It was a 5-1/2 point rip saw. I really had no need for the hollow and round and James was looking for them. I had commissioned a small set of lefty hollows and rounds.
@@planeoldwoodworking that’s very kind. I just saw one on eBay that was going for almost what I paid for a half matched set of skewed h/r’s. I thought he may have traded the Stanley 51 Chute plane!😂😂
Was that it. wow I got a steel! I owe you man!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo perhaps a collab one day lol
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45 ‘s are round, and spin at 45 RPMs. Oh, not that type of 45.
LOL I like it. and congrats on first!
my 45's shoot 6 times....oh, not that kind of 45. ok.
45 comment hollow round
Thank you for sharing.