When incense makes sense

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  • Опубліковано 16 січ 2023
  • Dani Siller and Bill Sunderland ('Escape This Podcast') and William Osman discuss a question about an impressive incense burner.
    LATERAL is a weekly podcast about interesting questions and even more interesting answers, hosted by Tom Scott. For business enquiries, contestant appearances or question submissions, visit www.lateralcast.com
    GUESTS:
    Dani Siller: ‪@consumethismedia‬, / escthispodcast
    Bill Sunderland: ‪@consumethismedia‬, / escthispodcast
    William Osman: ‪@williamosman‬, / williamosman
    HOST: Tom Scott.
    QUESTION PRODUCER: David Bodycombe.
    EDITED BY: Julie Hassett at The Podcast Studios, Dublin.
    GRAPHICS: Chris Hanel at Support Class. Assistant: Dillon Pentz.
    MUSIC: Karl-Ola Kjellholm ('Private Detective'/'Agrumes', courtesy of epidemicsound.com).
    QUESTION: Manuel Omil.
    FORMAT: Pad 26 Limited/Labyrinth Games Ltd.
    EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: David Bodycombe and Tom Scott.
    © Pad 26 Limited (www.pad26.com) / Labyrinth Games Ltd. 2023.
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  • @lethauntic
    @lethauntic Рік тому +370

    I misread the title and was like, "woah, Tom, what a title that is"

  • @kriskehrer6410
    @kriskehrer6410 Рік тому +240

    6:07 From the Wikipedia article on "Botafumeiro:"
    "One of the most renowned accidents took place during a visit of Princess Catherine of Aragon. She was on a journey to marry the heir to the English throne in 1499 and stopped by the cathedral in Santiago de Compostela. While it was being swung, the Botafumeiro flew out of the cathedral through the Platerias high window. No one was reported to have been injured on this occasion."

    • @rolfs2165
      @rolfs2165 9 місяців тому +9

      _on this occasion?_ So what they're saying is, there were other times this happened when the burner hit and possibly maimed people?

    • @Dzifii
      @Dzifii 9 місяців тому +4

      so it WAS the fastest

  • @riley6646
    @riley6646 Рік тому +33

    “maybe they should hold anime expos at the cathedral” made me spit out my drink

  • @chedatomasz
    @chedatomasz Рік тому +35

    I saw it swing from behind the altar! Nowadays the pilgrims don't smell THAT much, but the incense still dominates everything.

  • @manuelomil2140
    @manuelomil2140 Рік тому +111

    Hey, that's my question 😁
    really glad to see it was picked for the podcast and clip too. Made my day twice!
    Answering some questions:
    Sorry Tom, I never thought it would be an interesting place, every one here knows about it so i guess i never found it that remarkable.
    Don't really know if there are bigger incense burners, I presume that once you remove the hanging and swinging constraint you have less of a restriction on size. I bet someone has done it. Saw somewhere that is one of the biggest while researching, that's all I can claim.
    I'll definitely ask the galician government to have Tarzan impersonating priest and for the annual otaku expo to be moved to the cathedral. I love it!

    • @lateralcast
      @lateralcast  Рік тому +31

      Thanks for your great question!

  • @brucegoatly
    @brucegoatly 10 місяців тому +9

    The Italian for 'bad air' was 'mala aria', from which the word 'malaria' derives, relating the association of odours with disease.

  • @angee9996
    @angee9996 Рік тому +87

    love how this team plays off each other! I feel like the banter has increased from the previous season and im all here for it

  • @Wezla
    @Wezla Рік тому +61

    Really wish these podcasts were uploaded as videos...

  • @Epinardscaramel
    @Epinardscaramel Рік тому +5

    “the rope has to be changed every 20 years”
    “I wonder how they figured that one out” 😆😅

  • @Queleb1
    @Queleb1 Рік тому +71

    Love these clips ❤ Would love full episodes online but the clips are great thank you!

    • @PrestonFrankel
      @PrestonFrankel Рік тому

      I listen to the full ones on Spotify, didn't realize it would be that easy to find but it was

    • @Qermaq
      @Qermaq 8 місяців тому

      @@PrestonFrankel Easy to listen. But we'd want to watch.

  • @lastnamefirstname8655
    @lastnamefirstname8655 Рік тому +12

    nice huge incense burner swing.
    will be waiting for tom's future video on this very topic.

  • @solracer66
    @solracer66 Рік тому +7

    You aren’t generally allowed to film the mass but Emilio Estevez managed to convince them to allow him to film the incense burner being swung for the climax of the film The Way (2011) starring his father Martin Sheen. It’s a great film by the way so don’t just skip to the end, watch the entire thing!

  • @fixed-point
    @fixed-point Рік тому +3

    Going to be hiking the El Camino Santiago pilgrimage trail this spring with my dad!

  • @blindleader42
    @blindleader42 Рік тому +6

    Camino de Santiago, the most famous pilgrimage in the Western world, and walked (~500 miles) by hundreds of thousands of people, both religious and non religious every year.
    I suspect a some of the _today's_ pilgrims arrive sporting a "distinctive" fragrance, after walking all day, or even several days, under the Spanish sun.

  • @DerMarkus1982
    @DerMarkus1982 Рік тому +6

    Instant Thumb-Up for Tom's first statement! Yes, Tom. Please make a video about this! 😀

  • @SamuraiGuy
    @SamuraiGuy Рік тому +4

    2:36 I see William Osman is rubbing off on Tom, and I'm all for it.

  • @freelander
    @freelander Рік тому +9

    Dani has the best voice. Just in general. Her voice is just ridiculously nice. Clarity, accent, it's perfect. A huge reason I listen to Escape This Podcast and Solve This Murder!

  • @seraphina985
    @seraphina985 Рік тому +16

    Quite right, there was an era where the dominant belief was that disease was caused by bad air. This effectively translated to bad smell, the beak of those plague doctor masks was filled with aromatic herbs. They genuinely seemed to believe that if you could make the air smell good you would be safe. Granted at that point they had yet to discover benzene for example, it's structurally similar to glucose and triggers many receptors for it including those in your nose. One small difference between them is kinda important though, benzene has a sweet smell but it's only use in your body is making you get sick and possibly die. The vapour smells a lot like freshly baked deserts to my nose, while I was at university had a fume cupboard block up while I was working with it. Even knowing that it is supposed to have a sweet smell it took me probably the better part of 2 minutes to realise what was happening and verify that thought by putting my hand to the extractor. Then again admittedly this could partly be a symptom of inhaling the stuff it is predominantly neurotoxic as such the initial symptoms are mostly those of generalised brain disfunction (Headache, Dizziness, Confusion, etc) of course at higher doses unconsciousness and death. I never got the latter but after realising something didn't feel right and heading outside to get some air and my head started to clear I realised I'd probably have picked up on what should have been blatantly obvious symptoms faster after consuming a litre of vodka. It sends you up wasted street and down incompetent avenue that fast.

  • @Qermaq
    @Qermaq 8 місяців тому

    2:34 made me sing, to the tune of Johnny Rivers' "Secret Agent Man", "Middle Ages man".

  • @AntonHDMI
    @AntonHDMI Рік тому +2

    this podcast Is so amazing

  • @LithiumThiefMusic
    @LithiumThiefMusic Рік тому +8

    These clips are a lot of fun

  • @saiphrivas1437
    @saiphrivas1437 Рік тому +5

    well tbf the Botafumeiro is the biggest incense burner in the world, not just "one of the biggest"

    • @Niels_Larsen
      @Niels_Larsen Рік тому +1

      It is actually not. There is a 3m 1t heavy incense burner in Dubai.

    • @saiphrivas1437
      @saiphrivas1437 Рік тому

      @@Niels_Larsen a quick google search shows literally no results for said thurible. There seems to be one that's supposedly twice its size in St Jodokus's church in Germany, but from photos it looks about the same size, just probably heavier

  • @p_mouse8676
    @p_mouse8676 Рік тому +7

    I am overly sensitive to incense and immediately get massive instant headaches from it.
    So I am very happy not having to experience this either way, lol!
    Great questions though, really entertaining to watch!!

  • @mels4413
    @mels4413 Рік тому +3

    I came in like an incense piiiile

  • @laju
    @laju Рік тому +4

    I'm surprised they used euros back then.
    🙃

  • @JasperJanssen
    @JasperJanssen Рік тому

    They’re basically through-hikers arriving there, makes sense.

  • @kestasba2903
    @kestasba2903 Рік тому +12

    For hell sakes, I've seen too much Game of Thrones / House of the Dragon memes... I read the video title as "when incest makes sense" and I was like hold on a second, it cannot be right 😅

    • @scbtripwire
      @scbtripwire Рік тому +3

      Cleopatra & family beg to differ!

  • @richardfarrer5616
    @richardfarrer5616 9 місяців тому +1

    I wonder what effect incense has on insects? If it drives away fleas, for example, then it could be very beneficial for health when there's plague about.

  • @Nostson
    @Nostson Рік тому +2

    And here I was hoping that it'd somehow be the world's biggest foucault pendulum built centuries before that was even a thing.

  • @ferretyluv
    @ferretyluv Рік тому +3

    So do a video on it, dammit!

  • @Sashimi_luv
    @Sashimi_luv Рік тому +1

    Alright I think I’ve seen enough of these I’m ready to subscribe to the podcast. Only took a about ten of these.

  • @dragonboyjgh
    @dragonboyjgh Рік тому

    What my first thought was as one of those time-keeping pendulums that moves with the Earth's rotation.

  • @countertony
    @countertony Рік тому +4

    ua-cam.com/video/oHUdKvow4zQ/v-deo.html for the thurible/incense burner swing (they start winding it up from 1:25 and it's at full tilt by 2:40 )

    • @justmerc1642
      @justmerc1642 Рік тому +1

      The angelic organ music playing in the background as an 80 kg piece of metal swings back and forth is just perfect

    • @ntlespino
      @ntlespino Рік тому

      Wow. Just. Wow. This is worth the price of admission hands down 🤯

  • @Chickaqee
    @Chickaqee 11 місяців тому

    the middle ages had that "if I close my eyes you can't see me" during hide and go seek logic

  • @Hamfrags
    @Hamfrags Рік тому +3

    I was surprised how straightforward the answer was for this one. Did anyone else immediately make the connection and then second guess themselves for five minutes because it's never that simple?

  • @lelandunruh7896
    @lelandunruh7896 Рік тому

    I've done the last 200km of the Camino de Santiago in the summer. Can confirm that you don't smell great upon reaching the cathedral.

  • @AnasHart
    @AnasHart 2 місяці тому

    I feel like this wasnt really a lateral question, just a general trivia question lol

  • @shaunelliott8583
    @shaunelliott8583 Рік тому

    My mind immediately went to the "world used to be populated by giants" conspiracy theory

  • @mystarmach
    @mystarmach 8 місяців тому

    Anyone else pick up on the fact that the church had 'Compost' in the name? Sure, Spanish, but somewhat relevant to the answer!

  • @HotelPapa100
    @HotelPapa100 Місяць тому

    Not knowing where/what Santiago de Compostela is? RLY? I mean, one or two. But the whole group?

  • @jannetteberends8730
    @jannetteberends8730 11 місяців тому

    According to Wikipedia it is the biggest.

  • @JRCinca
    @JRCinca Рік тому

    This is quite a thing to see!! I saw it for the first time when I was 14. Now it's used like 10 or so times per year, but when I was young in "holy year" (when the 25th of July falls on a Sunday) it was used every sunday. It's free to see it, you just need to attend the mass.
    Definitively a good topic for one of Tom's videos.

  • @scbtripwire
    @scbtripwire Рік тому +2

    Before reaching the answer, my initial guess is: to cover up the stench of the unwashed masses (which was everyone, heh).
    Spoiler edit:
    *Huzzah!*

  • @mojosbigsticks
    @mojosbigsticks Рік тому

    I thought it was stop it getting nicked. You can't steal what you can't move.

  • @jamespusey7186
    @jamespusey7186 2 місяці тому

    "it sounded span-ish"

  • @SteinGauslaaStrindhaug
    @SteinGauslaaStrindhaug 3 місяці тому

    0:40 I think a lot of churches had incense burners for religious purposes; I think it's particularly important in the orthodox churches... But I assume the point is why this specific church needed a particularly large burner in the past; so my first hunch if it did serve a practical (secular) purpose; it might have kept insects away (or they assumed it did); maybe the church was built near a swamp with lots of malaria mosquitos? (And it's now no longer useful for that and just a tradition because malaria has been eradicated.)

    • @SteinGauslaaStrindhaug
      @SteinGauslaaStrindhaug 3 місяці тому

      Also it would be a sensory nightmare for me... I do like the smell of incense, but only when it's very little very far away from me... That burner sounds like an instant asthma attack.

    • @SteinGauslaaStrindhaug
      @SteinGauslaaStrindhaug 3 місяці тому

      Or maybe it was to keep people from catching the plague or some other disease, and they thought it could keep the plague away... I seem to remember that Santiago de Compostela was a particularly important pilgrimage site for the sick; so maybe they thought dense incense smoke would keep the clergy safe from catching all the illnesses from the pilgrims?

  • @y-yyy
    @y-yyy 5 місяців тому

    I'm really curious why it takes 8 people to swing? 80kg a heavy, but not THAT heavy

  • @ulixo1132
    @ulixo1132 Рік тому +6

    How does Tom does not seem to know where Santiago de Compostela is?!

    • @MCYonazz
      @MCYonazz Рік тому

      I'm a bit surprised, too, but maybe the Camino de Santiago is more known on the continent proper?

    • @Inyokus
      @Inyokus Рік тому +1

      In an episode of Two Of These People Are Lying Tom also did not know what the Hagia Sophia is. I'm sensing a pattern here..

    • @smeeself
      @smeeself Рік тому +1

      Because no one knows everything.

    • @ulixo1132
      @ulixo1132 Рік тому

      @@smeeself Of course. I meant no disrespect, I was just very, very surprised

  • @dojelnotmyrealname4018
    @dojelnotmyrealname4018 2 місяці тому

    That feels like it's way too straightforward for this show...

  • @jean-lucwalker3690
    @jean-lucwalker3690 Рік тому +2

    If Tom still wants to make a video, he could do it about the pilgrimage experience: you can start anywhere in Europe (all the way to Jerusalem) and follow the pilgrim's way to Santiago.

  • @jblen
    @jblen 5 місяців тому

    That is a very unflattering william osman in the thumbnail, I didn't even recognise him

  • @TomOConnor-BlobOpera
    @TomOConnor-BlobOpera Рік тому

    Oh no, I know the answer for this as soon as it's being asked.

  • @gustavehenry
    @gustavehenry Рік тому +4

    Just FWY : people of the middle ages did wash themselves, that's a common misconception.
    But yeah, during travel it might be harder to do.

  • @EVLSIX
    @EVLSIX Рік тому

    I just wanted to say that somehow I found myself binge watching all of the videos here and in my trance and laughter I hadn't been liking each video. Eventually I will, but can't be bothered now... But I assure you I have enjoyed each one!

  • @Brenosakaguti
    @Brenosakaguti Рік тому

    This doesn't seem like a "lateral" thinking question as much as the obvious answer. What else could it be?

  • @bobb.boberson4437
    @bobb.boberson4437 Рік тому +2

    I'm guessing the Bill's question from the episode is probably not going to be featured as a video because it is relatively niche, so I'm coming here to praise him and Tom; Going a few lines down to avoid spoilers for those who plan on listening.
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    Dude, I'm hella impressed. Those are like SUPER deep cuts on Jewish sabbath law. And y'all were familiar with not only the Shabbat elevators and Eruvs (the wire enclosing an area into 'private/semi-private property' that allows practicing Jews to carry items outside on Shabbat), but how Tom knew what a freaking *Gramah Switch* was (the switch with the random number generator). Like, that switch is a relatively recent invention and hot theological topic that is pretty obscure even in Orthodox Jewish circles (and controversial, because if there is one thing we Jews love to do more than eat, it's argue with each-other over the most minute of theological topics). Yeah, a lot of people who aren't Jewish (and who are!) probably find creating all these loopholes around Shabbat rules silly, but I guess that's why so many of us grow up to become lawyers, lol.
    Anyways, thank you for including it Bill! Just earlier today I was feeling a bit sad and scared because I had seen some people making antisemetic remarks IRL. It was refreshing to see you and Tom coming at this from a place of intellectual curiosity about Jewish practice and being impressed at the engineering, and how respectful you both were even though the concept is admittedly a bit silly!

    • @lateralcast
      @lateralcast  Рік тому +5

      We tend to choose the questions that were solved in about 5-6 minutes, and the question read out by Bill was a bit too long to include without leaving out some of the interesting extra detail.

    • @bobb.boberson4437
      @bobb.boberson4437 Рік тому

      @@lateralcast That makes sense, it's a pretty complicated topic. Also, wow, an official reply! I'm going to be riding the parasocial high off of this one all week! Thank you Tom and/or Tom's social media manager or producer, for giving me my second big moment of joy today :).

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 Місяць тому

    4:30 You know who else rode a wrecking ball to break traditions?
    Miley Cyrus! And she did it naked. She dose a lot of things naked.

  • @alveolate
    @alveolate Рік тому

    i would've made a joke about stellar composting practices... but yea, not a trend yet in the middle ages i guess.

  • @spacewarpphotography1667
    @spacewarpphotography1667 Рік тому

    "Each performance cost 450 Euros"? They were using Euros in the Middle Ages?

  • @g.m.2427
    @g.m.2427 Рік тому

    Where do you think the name 'Malaria' came from people thought the disease literally came from 'bad air'

  • @Kobrag90
    @Kobrag90 Рік тому +1

    Medievasl people were pretty clean, tudor+ people started getting the believe that washing brought impious thoughts.

  • @Tagraff
    @Tagraff Рік тому

    My thought is, it's too much work for one person to do the spreading and cost money for hiring others to do the spreading, so this solution of roping the longest and spread out all at once saves money and people.

  • @LymusIll
    @LymusIll Рік тому

    Hearing about Santiago de Compostela always reminds me of Diary of a Magus (The Pilgrimage) by Paulo Coelho, it's a good read about self discovery.

  • @sophiamarchildon3998
    @sophiamarchildon3998 11 місяців тому

    Initial thoughts: got that one canned. Next

  • @RhynoD2
    @RhynoD2 Рік тому

    I'm having flashbacks to playing Blasphemy...

  • @sycadelic666
    @sycadelic666 Рік тому

    The necessity was to get high af! We now know many religions burned psychedelics as incense to have a more spiritual experience and either see gos or become closer to god.

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 3 місяці тому

    perhaps it was just incense nonsense.

  • @stamfordly6463
    @stamfordly6463 Рік тому

    None of these people have ever read a Sharpe book - Santiago de Compostela is the cathedral and city in Galicia where Sharpe helps Spanish guerillas raise the flag of Santiago (St James) in the very first book.

  • @texo456
    @texo456 Рік тому +4

    Not trying to rag on will here, but he does not give ANY clues. He basically just let them talk for 4 minutes, then said "one of these things was correct." No guidance, he didn't even say the person was right when they straight-up said the answer. I dunno, just an observation

  • @AJpiguy15031415
    @AJpiguy15031415 Рік тому +1

    Me: * Sees their lack of knowledge about this huge thurible *
    * Laughs in practicing Catholic already knowing more about it than they do *
    * Appreciates video for teaching me why it's so huge anyway *

  • @kriskehrer6410
    @kriskehrer6410 Рік тому

    Smelly Middle Ages Man is the worst superhero.