See the WRITTEN version here on Tacter! Viewing and liking really helps out~ www.tacter.com/genshin/guides/things-you-must-know-before-wishing-in-genshin-impact-50-natlan-wishing-guide-8f8e4cd1
this is exactly what i was looking for .. i was struggling to explain why some characters aren't must pulls to friends , and was starting to stress over who to pull for on the natlan version so perfect timing with this video , even tho i have a pretty well rounded account , next time i log in imma take a look at my roster and decide who do i actually need . thanks !
It would be amazing if you could add a description for the "what if's" that are making the characters in the respective category good/playable/whatever. If you already have a video for that a link would be nice. I'm really curious to see these "requirenments" for the characters to become "better"
An alternate play style would be to build to the account you have/ enjoy playing. If you can always clear abyss after clearing the larger game content which is about 1000 hours at the moment.
Most will agree Kazuha is not a must pull...I personally don't think any unit is a must pull, including Furina, though I do think she's the highest value pull. But you called Kazuha a LUXURY pull. That's just going too far. Kazuha is an amazing pull, about as good as it gets until Xilonen comes out.
I mean, obviously he also has seen the leak in the subreddit and from homdgcat site and pretend you completely clueless of the future upcoming character.
I await the day Genshin will be ported to something like a pregnancy test, such as Doom. So whenever some unrelated technology comes around, the question won't be "Can it run Crysis?" but rather "Does it support Genshin?"
@@Zalys777genshin is too big for that. like this is a 113 gb game on PC, and 100+on ps too. dawg if a pregnancy test needs 100+gigs of memory and a rtx 4060 to run, I am concerned about whatever that test is testing for
yeah, I think getting your favourite character and then building a team around them is the way to go. Navia has been my favourite ever since she released and with the potential release of a rollerscating blacksmith, she is probably about to become a lot better
I used to love Noelle when the game first came out because she was a healer and I liked her English voice. Eventually dropped her but with characters like Furina, Navia, and Yelan I found an excuse to play 4 characters I love at once. Same with Diluc and Xianyun. I love having so many options now, I can just make random teams and get something fun and usable
@@sketchysketches381 similar but for it's with Keqing and Lisa with the release of dendro back then.. Tho I benched Keqing for Clorinde, aka Keqing pro max lol
No matter how much I love a character, at some points, it gets boring to not play something else, that's why I love playing horizontal over vertical onvestment
@@BigBoiM87 Many players like you like to have many options and use multiple characters and teams, many others just like to stick with their select few mains like the current neuvillette situation and all of them are having fun. There's no single method that is better to have fun in this game.
For me, I went from full horizontal to a mix with a bit of vertical. Vertical only for my faves. Horizontal if I like new characters, open new teams for my faves or playstyle is interesting to me.
Same. I LOVE clorinde since she was revealed and she instantly became my favorite character in the game. And she still is, but after playing her so much I'm already ready for the next dps I pull for 😂
these are my FAVORITE kind of videos that Jello does they are always general enough to be relevant for both new and veteran players and they always always open up some sort of bigger topic for discussion big props ❤❤❤
Good video, Jello. A valuable perspective to help people wish responsibly. Counterpoint: 200 wishes to get C0 Chevreuse. And two C6 Thoma along the way... Forgive me, Xilonen, for I have sinned.
Oh brother, I feel for you. I was around pity 12, wished to get my first Chevreuse and would be fine with Sara cons along the way and "losing" to Raiden's C3. Spent 20 wishes and got C1 Chevy. Time to stop...or no Xilonen, Arlecchino and Maviuka for me.
@@freemind_010 well I went after Chevy cuz I got Raiden C2 and want to free Furina for other teams, and somehow she doesn't feel as great with Yelan or Xingqiu anymore.
I'll recommend every new player to get Nahida , bec hyperbloom is soo easy to play/build and deals insane dmg , you just need kuki Shinobu and you can get Xq from the shop , these 3 are already enough for clearing abyss, and you can use even Barbara/Fishcl etc for the 4th slot
@@tieshol9958 I started playing on 4.2 2nd half , didn't really knew how the wishing system works and somehow got 2 or 3 kuki on Ayato's banner then got 2 or 1 kuki from standard banner and now she's C3
Your channel is growing! That makes me so happy for you, brother. I’ve been following you from the beginning and you’ve fixed my account since then. You’ll reach 100k before long! Best wishes!
Xianyun belongs in Comfy Pull tier IMO. Even if you're not utilising plunges she's still a very strong healer that constantly heals your entire team without circle impact and she's anemo.
I started a new account to re-experience Genshin from 0 and the BEST TIP I can offer is: DO NOT WISH FOR INAZUMAN CHARACTERS! It's frustrating, annoying, time consuming, NOT GAME AND NOOB FRIENDLY AT ALL! Always wish on someone you CAN farm and level up because if you're lucky, or unlucky as me, and get Kazuha as your first 5* or any Inazuman (my first 5* on my OG account was Ayaka) you'll just not be able to use it for a veeeeeeeeeeery long time and if you want to, you'll be power crept by every enemy, you'll be stuck at 20 with Inazuma characters till you are AR30 and done with Dainsleif and Liyue/Mondstad missions. (Also glitch to Inazuma is just unreliable and frustrating as well)
My first limited character was raiden so this was even more noticeable for me, because her ascension boss has to be unlocked in inazuma first via quests, but that was my first goal to be able to level her so it wasn't that hard. I just unlocked inazuma as soon as possible and then her boss.
@@frankfernandez2690 what if I don't have s friend who plays Genshin? What if I don't want to keep entering other people's worlds just to farm? It is still a problem, I have an OG account, but I didn't want to enter on my own old world just to farm on for my new characters, like, c'mon, Inazuma have more than 3 years at this point, it's insane to lock it up.
HARD disagree. Raiden was my first Meta character and a HUGE improvement in my account (and Kuki). Just because you can't farm for them at the moment, or even for a month - does it really worth it to skip them and wait a year until rerun? Hell no.
Genshin has done such a good job at balancing things that no matter who you pull if you pull build a team around them you can easily beat the hardest content.
@@carloscalderon2808 Firstly if they don't like a character since past 2 years they won't be playing the game. And even if they do they are missing out on an entirety of a single pull.
Kuki vs Raiden for hyperbloom: I find most of it depends on the driver. Ranged drivers want Raiden and Melee drivers want Kuki, with some exceptions. Most notably for me is if I need a healer but don't have a better option because they are on my other abyss team
@@lashoutyt928 Nah not worth it and not that good either, you only need one and the fourth character can be anyone else to boost the team or a comfort pick
The problem is I do not think metaslaves are the majority, Content creators should help players to find/assist new players to help build a team around their favorites.
@@samirSch On how to build characters, yes. I have not found a site though that gives more like 3 team comps for a character though. Sure, some of those might have flex slots, but that still gives the feeling that you HAVE to have these characters to make the team work. I wish more sites would give substitutes for slots. As a new player, I had problems trying to figure out which characters in the recommended teams could be swapped out. i.e. Nahida could be swapped on a bloom team, not so much Chevereuse with an overload team.
I ended up skipping Kazuha because i currently main Alhaitham and Navia and neither of them use him at all, I have side projects that would REALLY benefit from him but I have no archons so for 5.0 I need to reserve my primos for the archon marathon. I appreciated you being a bit more reasonable about Kazuha, a lot of other people really had me feeling FOMO about skipping him.
I remember one of my in game buddies unfriending me when I told them I would skip him for Eula back in 3.x lol it's just a game if you don't want something you skip if you want it you get it, these people aren't the ones that will be regretting having these characters benched so let's just do what we want and have fun. What's even more funny is that in the end I got both Kazuha and Eula on those very banners.
@@arielmk7612 that's so petty what the heck lol. I personally want to pull for most of the male characters and that's just how I'm gonna enjoy this game. I started in 4.7 because of all the fanart of Zhongli, wanderer, neuvillette etc and I'm gonna get em eventually! I do actually really like Kazuha, if it wasn't for the fact that I have zero archons I would have gone for him. But I figure hes popular enough he will be back soon :3
This tierlist is pretty on point, I've had so many characters that didn't perform super well that are in the "if" category and just exploded into viability as soon as I got their complete package. I'm so fortunate that I got C6 Faruzan because wonder is my favorite character in the game. he and my Arlecchino are both really invested and if I just want to blast through an abyss, I pick them. If you really put in the work to invest in a character, they're going to do well. Pick who you like! (Pick Wanderer)
I totally agree as someone whose favourite character is Diluc. I have put a ton of investment in him and while he isn't meta by any stretch of the imagination, he does MAGNIFICENT damage now that I have gotten his best teammates and even splurged for my first ever limited 5 star weapon which was specifically for him. Sure we could argue my Neuvillette does more damage or my Alhaitham does, but there is nothing on this planet more satisfying than plunging and seeing 200k+ numbers on Diluc. I've been taking him into Abyss recently and 36 starring with him on my team and it is INCREDIBLY satisfying.
@@Parsasuha I highly recommend not pulling for his cons, pull for his weapon if the other one on banner is useful for you, probably his biggest upgrade for me was Furina C1
I'm interested to see where Mualani ends up in the meta. Even if we get perfect off field pyro application, she can still get screwed over by enemies moving away so her surfboard runs out of gas before dropping her massive nukes.
@@Icredivm Lol no you cant, you crazy? The real powercreep is Xilonen sword, that can be used by any sword support to get 36% dmg bonus for the team. But to say she powercreeps Furina is copium.
@@Icredivm yeah Xilonen has great DMG Buff capabilities, no doubt. But she can't deal great offield DMG like Furina. Also geo doesn't have any good reactions unlike hydro. So they are both more on the same stage from what they can offer.
For new players, I would consider "comfy overworld characters", i.e. units that are great for exploration but also strong enough to compete at higher levels
@@pdballou I was around pity 12, wished to get my first Chevreuse and would be fine with Sara cons along the way and "losing" to Raiden's C3. Spent 20 wishes and got C1 Chevy. Time to stop...or no Xilonen, Arlecchino and Maviuka for me.
@@samirSch LOL! Almost same. I was on 0 pity. I just wanted one chevy and one thoma. First ten pull, thoma. Second, chevy. Done deal i aint testing my luck anymore hahaha
Love the mindset but I feel there is a good mix between meta and favorites. You can include power as part of deciding a favorite. Especially with how hard new Natlan bosses are. Jonathan just made a video of how well he can beat everything with just chongyun though. So if there’s a will there’s a way.
I feel like Shunyun is soooooo underated. This has become my best support healer by far, also I feel like Thignarie is always forgotten as a major dps if put on the right team.
Considering that Mualani has neither the ease to play nor the consistency of Neuvillette or Arlecchino, i definitel think that she shouldn't be in the same tier as them
“Ease to play”, “consistency” are beginning to sound like thinly disguised “braindead”, “auto pilot”. Just admit Mualani has the same or occasionally better firepower over Neuv and Arle but requires more attention/skill and move on! It’s a meta tierlist, not an easy minimal input clear list, both can exist
@charlesang5546 brother in christ, i never said she did less damage, but one of the reason Neuvillette is so good is because of hiw simple it is to reach close to his max output. The same cannot be said for Mualani who can feel clunky at times
@@4_rol4 you're not wrong that Neuv is easier to reach his output, but isn't that assumed when Jello said "Mualani has high highs"? Doesn't the fact that she can reach much higher output than Neuv, even with being more skill dependent, justify her place alongside him? IMO, when we recommend new players unit to aim for, power comes first cuz that's what allows them to clear/36*. Ofc it's not the only thing as finding the unit fun and liking their playstyle is also important. I can find Neuv a snoozefest, or find Mualani easier to play than Lyney/Hu Tao, that's all subjective. But it's unfair to dismiss a unit's strength just because they're not literally hold down one button level of easy, right as they're decimating casual and speedrun clears alike. Even before this abyss blessing scam btw
Also, I personally try to have a dps of every element, or at least very good supports You will notice how comfortable that is when you do the bounties and sometimes abyss
Pulled C1R0 Raiden last rerun and C2 this one. No regrets, she hits like a truck and i love her. I'll go for Xilonen and Mavuika after her, but right now, no regrets. Luckily Genshin isn't as piwercreep heavy and she still absolutely kills it
I'd still advise new players to pull for kazuha even if he's not the best-in-slot for a lot of things anymore. He's still super flexible and easy to slot into random team. Easy grouping makes life way better and helps a ton with early traversal around the map. My quality of life shot of significantly both in and out of combat after I got him.
No too related to the video but since a long time ago (when I hit AR60 and had everything at 100%) I started leveling and building every character (not perfect but at least usable) with the idea of not needing to share weapons or artifacts between characters and having the imaginarium theater now just make all that work worth even more so I don’t need to rebuild characters to make them usable on the theater
One of my worries with Genshin's powercreep is if we see any of the supports fall off the map like Shenhe. Shenhe is a 5 star cryo support and she elevated cryo teams to the meta. But then sumeru comes out and freeze is just gone. Maybe we get a new cryo unit that buffs cryo teams, but that will just replace Shenhe unless mono cryo is a team.
Not really Kinich and Emelie is the strongest dendro team right now. We’re not in 3.X where Nahida is godlike anymore. Nahida needs new characters to play around, her current best team is with aggravate Clorinde which is very good. Any other teams fall behind Neuvi, Arrlechino, Mualani, Kinich. etc. Bloom/Hyperbloom has a low celing since it can’t crit so it will never perform at the level as the current meta characters or future stronger ones since the highest ceiling is already reached. Nahida has a very strong potential since she has a strong kit but current roaster doesn’t use it in their best teams, in 3.X all the best teams used Nahida now it’s not the case. Still since she has a good kit they only need to release characters that will benefit for it
At the end of the day, pick who you like - and build around them. The only advice is really to try them out in their trial and make SURE you like their playstyle before you pick them. For example, Neuvillette is great, but some find him boring (speaking as someone who loves and adores him and uses him in most teams). Furina is a universal support, but if you don't like your HP often sitting in the mid-range and depending on a healer to get full usage, then she REALLY isn't a pick for you. Arlecchino is an amazing DPS, but some people cannot deal with her squishiness that may make some shy away. Nahida is an absolute must if you want to max out your dendro team's potential, but if you don't like dendro (and I've seen people who don't.... *hugs my little radish goddess to me*), then yeah... maybe not her. My rule of thumb when pulling is: 1) do I LIKE the character and 2) did I experience pain during their trial? LOL
There is no must-pull character. It depends on what playstyle you would like to play and build around it. Also, I believe that there is no bad character, only bad player. I’ve seen someone’s Aloy deals 1 mil damage.
If you are short on time like me, go for meta characters first and one good dps/support in each element. Pull your favourites once you can 36 star the abyss and have good element coverage in theatre. This will reduce your FOMO/stress and increase your primo income to get your favourites later.
This most recent Spiral Abyss has felt significantly easier than the last two or three. That also will reduce must-pulls if the content is just way easier 😅
There is less HP, multi wave, and shields to chew through compared to the 4.6 and 4.7 Abysses, so if your teams were not built for multi wave shields, it would be easier for you. The theory crafters have the numbers but I’d guess 20% less HP or elemental gauge. I saw all the shields in the previous Abysses, laughed, and got away with 33/36 stars without doing Retry Impact. Today’s abyss and last Abyss only needed two retries after remembering what those enemies were about for me to 36 star.
I did get Neuvillette C1 with his weapon and Arlecchino C2 with her weapon. At this point in my main account, if I really like and want a Character I will vertically invest to a point. Rather then a bunch of C0 with 4 star weapons… There are so many Characters I have but never even use. I loved Kinich and Ajaw from day one and I plan on C1 or 2 with is weapon. Though I have been playing for almost 4 years…So I feel like collecting more Characters just to get more Characters is no longer my goal. I also love my Alhaitham and he is C2 with his sig.
playing lyney when the rotation get right is so satisfying, like you shots 2 arrow suddenly there was a tornado created by kazuha fire by xiangling and bennett and then boom the enemies disapear, almost like magic lol
One character that needs a shout out is Gaming especially at C6. I’ve prioritized him since I got his C6 on his last banner, and I’m shocked at how flexible he is. Plunge, burning, overload, etc. So much damage in such a little guy.
My problem with many of the meta argument is they dont define what meta is, this makes everyone base line different and some people dont understand where you stand, are we talking about fastest clear? Highest dmg? Best comfort? Cause we know every character in genshin can clear the abyss, and by definition we can also say that EVERY character in genshin have their own meta team which I believe is abetter way to define instead of mixing everything cause a lot of character have their own place
[9:30] This is probably the best Genshin tier list I've seen. However, I am saddened that cyro has fallen so far to be relegated to the "requires work" tier. I am not arguing with the position, it's just disheartening since I was such a huge Ayaka fan for a long time.
I first pulled for hydro daddy c1, pulled for his team furina c0 and kazuha c0, hopefully will get xilonen, then mommy clorinde c0, get her team chevruse c2 and kojo(evading me like crazy until i get raiden c0) also need more, cons for xialing c2. Im just building for my mommy and daddy. Started playing feb or march 2024. So relax we will finish the abyss with our favorites.
This is exactly my playstyle, I want to have my favorite characters but my main problem is that almost non of my favorite characters go together, so it's really hard trying to get what you want and need at the same time😂
I am impressed with how well they thought out all the reactions so long ago to stop must pulls. Now we just need cryo to be fixed. It is the worst element now. Also, Sigewiene feels a bit weird she is a comfy pull, but she kinda depends on Furina. But I would probably still put her in comfy pulls instead of requires work, and that's the only thing I would change.
I agree & think this is a fair take. I think you may be over-valuing Mualani a little, because her targetting seems a bit janky regardless of her potential damage ceiling. There might be no true "must pull" characters at this point, because everybody's role can either be substituted with other character's or is niche and optional. The og 4* characters and the national team archetype will probably remain viable throughout the game imo, because it's a good advertisement for the game being accessible to ftp players and counters arguments that it's a ptw predatory model
I would still happily put Raiden into Great Supports and Xianyun into Comfy Pulls. At the baseline they do provide great service and under certain circumstances they can be used much better.
just 3 days ago I made a list of my favorite teams that I wanted to build out / maybe summon for. EIGHT out of the NINE teams I picked (from my account) had Furina in them.
Read this for update: What you really need to know before wishing: Xilonen is 5.1 she is a skater geo who has multiple builds for support and dps Mavuika who is the pyro archon who will use a godam motorcycle and is pyro set for 5.3 update. And these are probably the best ones to save up for There is also natlan ganyu in 5.2 Yw ppl Its just the product of hoyo contracts and rules, he probably can’t really talk about what we really need to know which is future character info and future changes.
As a new-ish player that started around 4.2 and been clearing everything for several months, gonna share what worked for me: Get 5 stars Nahinda, Furina, Raiden, Kazuha - best supports, Neuvillete and Arlecchino - best dps. 4 stars: bennet, xingui, kuki shinobu, fischl, xiangling, noelle. And you are good to go. It might seem a lot, but i gradually collected/built them over last year and it started working pretty early. Started with budget hyperbloom + raiden national and worked through to build better teams. At first floor 12 seemed completely impossible but i kept trying, then i got 30 stars, then 33 and after trying harder - i cleared with 36 star once, and kept with it ever since. My current best teams are Neuvillete archon hyperbloom + Arlecchino XQ Kazuha bennet. Sometimes i tech switch like putting noelle to break geo shields, or putting an archer, or putting in XL to break cryo shield. But in general these 2 teams never failed me once i got them. If these teams start to fall of - worst case scenario it will be 33 stars instead of 36.
Yelan is great in overworld travel and in battle. Basically a timesaver when getting from point A to B in any region. Dont just measure the character by battle power.
Looking at the new abyss cycle, 1 pretty noticeable thing is each chambers almost doesn't need grouping. If they make more abyss like this, I think Kazuha wouldn't as OP as before esp. when Xilonen come out. Ofc, Kazuha is still very strong, but I don't think he is as needed as before.
The two sides anti-Kazuha trend started all the way back in Fontaine after Neuvilette’s release: they’d put enemies that were nearly impossible to group (cannot be staggered, move faster than the Anemo suction, shields, etc) in a straight line to promote Neuvilette beam cannon them rather than pulling them to melee with Kazuha. As you mention, Kazuha was still useful, but you needed to manipulate AI so enemies group themselves for your swirl. For this Abyss, I’m not sure if it’s anti Kazuha as much as it is anti-“Circle Impact” to promote how Mualani and Kinich can switch targets faster than most on field DPS. They can’t get turned into a helpless ball, but I find most of the enemies started close enough together to be hit by a swirl. Before Neuvilette, there was usually a very groupable side and a less groupable side (since two groupable sides meant players owning the whole thing with Venti on one side and Sucrose or Kazuha on the other).
Kinich is literally natlan meta and he might be the only few meta characters who are fun to play. He’s pretty much all we need in Natlan. He can take the fruits and do the pyro damage which is actually very high and can explore very easily.
Meta and Aesthetic are equally important imo. Feels nice when you have a character who can get a lot of field time as opposed to collecting dust. I call it core meta when we aren’t following current meta but future meta, core meta is based on enemies as opposed to current difficulties. Core meta to me is based on game mechanics and what they’ve introduced thus far. So far you’ll something to combat corrosion (a healer), something to combat one shooter’s aka a shielder, high dmg burst, high dmg sustain, high dmg AoE, and high dmg ST. Also they’ve introduced mechanics including elemental shields so ideally you’ll want to build 1-2 characters per element and a team per reaction so you’ll. Once this core is completed you’ll generally not find any difficulty any longer in this game besides collecting Constellations. This core meta stands true since even if Mavuika comes out she’d have to be completely insane and basically become Pyro Furina to actually leave old meta characters that far behind. My Vape Arleccino, Aggravate Yae Miko, Melt Ganyu, Freeze Ayaka, National Raiden, Eula, and Hyper Navia generally destroy everything in the game. This is something built over years sure but it can only be built over years or at a year, there just aren’t enough characters to grab in a year to completely round out your account!
Hate to break it to you, but Meta is virtually fake youtuber noise. You can beat Abyss with any characters in the roster as long as they're optimized via a decent team. Not only that, but nothing is forcing you to beat Abyss 12, just get as many primos as you can and then move on
People find different things fun 😊 I find the story, overworld exploration, spiral abyss, and imaginarium theatre all equally fun! I love building my personal favorite characters regardless of the “meta”, and I also love building “meta” teams. I’ve cried so many times during the story, but I also love to see “big colorful numbers go boom” lol. To me, it’s all very fun in different ways. I just pick which one I’m in the mood for at any given moment 🥰
7:15 I totally agree. No one is a must pull, because no character is the best for every single possible team in the game. I think Furina is the closest, but even she doesn’t improve every team.
I don't see Genshin as having relevant power creep in terms of characters. The floor is so low in the game that even if a directly power creep version of a character comes out, the original will still work. The new one will just result in you succeeding better and/or faster. Your favorites will still get you through years down the line. Especially as new supports come out. The only power creep that will actually matter for the game is the challenges themselves. If they ever start introducing regular spikes in difficulty then it's gonna matter that your character is dated, but as is the floor doesn't rise fast enough that many characters become obsolete.
yeah mualani is really a contender,because shes the first character on my account to break 5 million damage at C0 on that wayob boss, not even my arle and raiden did that damage
Rule of thumb: always save for archon. They provide value in multiple comps and may stay relevant for a year or two. Rule of pinky: always roll for wife.
I just 36 starred for the first time on a long while, for so long it felt like the abyss was getting harder faster than I could make my characters stronger but I did it today with Mualani. I guess I just needed a solid flexible strong DPS, because I feel like either Neuvillette or Arlecchino would have done the job too
Don’t get too comfortable, the first abyss of every region is usually easier than the previous abyss cycles and usually is built to give advantages to the current character on banner (Mualani in this case) I’m not saying that Mualani is going to fall off but there are going to be scenarios where she will struggle to clear in time so take in consideration how the chambers are built and maybe what is the moon’s blessing
I could see ppl skipping nahida now that emilie and kinich exist and can keep dendro applied i could see them working just as easily in a nilou bloom team as nahida does
Puting Klee above Ayaka is crazy!!! Also Mualani and Emilie should not be that high! They each have big risk and restrictions, which should be one tier below someone who is comfy and universal with similar damage, LOL
See the WRITTEN version here on Tacter! Viewing and liking really helps out~ www.tacter.com/genshin/guides/things-you-must-know-before-wishing-in-genshin-impact-50-natlan-wishing-guide-8f8e4cd1
And yes not even furina is a must pull to 36 star of course. Lots of great teams
this is exactly what i was looking for .. i was struggling to explain why some characters aren't must pulls to friends , and was starting to stress over who to pull for on the natlan version so perfect timing with this video , even tho i have a pretty well rounded account , next time i log in imma take a look at my roster and decide who do i actually need . thanks !
It would be amazing if you could add a description for the "what if's" that are making the characters in the respective category good/playable/whatever. If you already have a video for that a link would be nice.
I'm really curious to see these "requirenments" for the characters to become "better"
An alternate play style would be to build to the account you have/ enjoy playing. If you can always clear abyss after clearing the larger game content which is about 1000 hours at the moment.
Most will agree Kazuha is not a must pull...I personally don't think any unit is a must pull, including Furina, though I do think she's the highest value pull. But you called Kazuha a LUXURY pull. That's just going too far. Kazuha is an amazing pull, about as good as it gets until Xilonen comes out.
"maybe another geo character comes along... that can heal... that can buff.. " HAHAHAHAHAhahaa
Jello: you know I can't say what I want to say
He even put a picte of a leopard in top of Ninguang haha
Leaks are scary to mihoyo 😂
@@ahmedbraham3327 I thought she was confirmed by now
that bit is so funny lol
I mean, obviously he also has seen the leak in the subreddit and from homdgcat site and pretend you completely clueless of the future upcoming character.
@@Lost_S she is confirmed but her kit isn't officially stated anywhere if i'm correct
"Not on pc, not on controller and not on mobile"... aha! Time to pull out my smart fridge
Or smart toaster
Now, where did i put my xbox kinect...
I await the day Genshin will be ported to something like a pregnancy test, such as Doom. So whenever some unrelated technology comes around, the question won't be "Can it run Crysis?" but rather "Does it support Genshin?"
pretty sure he said not to play out of pc, meaning you should play on PC only to fully utilize lyney
@@Zalys777genshin is too big for that. like this is a 113 gb game on PC, and 100+on ps too. dawg if a pregnancy test needs 100+gigs of memory and a rtx 4060 to run, I am concerned about whatever that test is testing for
Xilonen is Toooooooooooootally hypothetical
That was funny lol
@@Shane_A_M depends on how dark her skin is.
@@Shane_A_MCharacters have I think never been changed after the last beta test phase, and they just buffed her c2 in that phase.
@@xdragon2k dude honestly might not even be a joke💀 just realised all the dark skin character sucks ass.
They buffed her every new beta so far sooo probably not they need some money @@Shane_A_M
yeah, I think getting your favourite character and then building a team around them is the way to go.
Navia has been my favourite ever since she released and with the potential release of a rollerscating blacksmith, she is probably about to become a lot better
I used to love Noelle when the game first came out because she was a healer and I liked her English voice. Eventually dropped her but with characters like Furina, Navia, and Yelan I found an excuse to play 4 characters I love at once. Same with Diluc and Xianyun. I love having so many options now, I can just make random teams and get something fun and usable
Genshin is not hard enough to care about meta that much, you need some supports and even kaeya can beat the abyss
@@sketchysketches381 similar but for it's with Keqing and Lisa with the release of dendro back then.. Tho I benched Keqing for Clorinde, aka Keqing pro max lol
Too bad this video just came out after I got my C2R1 Raiden. Who cares about meta, when you have Ei ❤
Glory to the shogun 🙌🏻🙌🏻
what the heck it has been minutes
@@Kreytrodifferent time zones
Inazuma Shines Eternal!
booba sword eternal. SSSS Tier
No matter how much I love a character, at some points, it gets boring to not play something else, that's why I love playing horizontal over vertical onvestment
Yup. Horizontal is way more fun
Trueeee
@@BigBoiM87 Many players like you like to have many options and use multiple characters and teams, many others just like to stick with their select few mains like the current neuvillette situation and all of them are having fun. There's no single method that is better to have fun in this game.
For me, I went from full horizontal to a mix with a bit of vertical.
Vertical only for my faves.
Horizontal if I like new characters, open new teams for my faves or playstyle is interesting to me.
Same. I LOVE clorinde since she was revealed and she instantly became my favorite character in the game. And she still is, but after playing her so much I'm already ready for the next dps I pull for 😂
these are my FAVORITE kind of videos that Jello does they are always general enough to be relevant for both new and veteran players and they always always open up some sort of bigger topic for discussion big props ❤❤❤
Good video, Jello. A valuable perspective to help people wish responsibly.
Counterpoint: 200 wishes to get C0 Chevreuse. And two C6 Thoma along the way...
Forgive me, Xilonen, for I have sinned.
Oh brother, I feel for you. I was around pity 12, wished to get my first Chevreuse and would be fine with Sara cons along the way and "losing" to Raiden's C3.
Spent 20 wishes and got C1 Chevy. Time to stop...or no Xilonen, Arlecchino and Maviuka for me.
@@samirSch i'm patient godlike for nahida-furina with my gaurenteed and 180 wishes i see chevy too but i have to control
@@freemind_010 well I went after Chevy cuz I got Raiden C2 and want to free Furina for other teams, and somehow she doesn't feel as great with Yelan or Xingqiu anymore.
@@samirSch i don't know things become boring as you know them more .. but aight .. a good choice to go for chevy
@@freemind_010 i sniped chevy in 10 pull
I'll recommend every new player to get Nahida , bec hyperbloom is soo easy to play/build and deals insane dmg , you just need kuki Shinobu and you can get Xq from the shop , these 3 are already enough for clearing abyss, and you can use even Barbara/Fishcl etc for the 4th slot
I’d give my left tiddy for a Kuki 😩
Just need kuki :( (Im ar 58, but I am somehow just unable to get kuki, I have more than 300 wishes on banners where she was on:()
Too bad i bench nahida ever since i got neuvilette. But nahida kuki definitely can clear any abyss easily
@@tieshol9958 I started playing on 4.2 2nd half , didn't really knew how the wishing system works and somehow got 2 or 3 kuki on Ayato's banner then got 2 or 1 kuki from standard banner and now she's C3
@@HappyPepe5 I've become a brain dead hyperbloom user at this point *💀
My favourite genshin creator,keep creating resourceful quality life updates
Your channel is growing! That makes me so happy for you, brother. I’ve been following you from the beginning and you’ve fixed my account since then. You’ll reach 100k before long! Best wishes!
Xianyun belongs in Comfy Pull tier IMO. Even if you're not utilising plunges she's still a very strong healer that constantly heals your entire team without circle impact and she's anemo.
I just pulled kinich and let me say, he is too good for exploration.
I tried him in sumeru and liyue, he travels far enough and cover long distance
I started a new account to re-experience Genshin from 0 and the BEST TIP I can offer is: DO NOT WISH FOR INAZUMAN CHARACTERS!
It's frustrating, annoying, time consuming, NOT GAME AND NOOB FRIENDLY AT ALL!
Always wish on someone you CAN farm and level up because if you're lucky, or unlucky as me, and get Kazuha as your first 5* or any Inazuman (my first 5* on my OG account was Ayaka) you'll just not be able to use it for a veeeeeeeeeeery long time and if you want to, you'll be power crept by every enemy, you'll be stuck at 20 with Inazuma characters till you are AR30 and done with Dainsleif and Liyue/Mondstad missions.
(Also glitch to Inazuma is just unreliable and frustrating as well)
My first limited character was raiden so this was even more noticeable for me, because her ascension boss has to be unlocked in inazuma first via quests, but that was my first goal to be able to level her so it wasn't that hard. I just unlocked inazuma as soon as possible and then her boss.
Just find a friend with inazuma unlocked, it's not complicated to build even if you haven't reached a specific region.
@@frankfernandez2690 what if I don't have s friend who plays Genshin? What if I don't want to keep entering other people's worlds just to farm?
It is still a problem, I have an OG account, but I didn't want to enter on my own old world just to farm on for my new characters, like, c'mon, Inazuma have more than 3 years at this point, it's insane to lock it up.
HARD disagree. Raiden was my first Meta character and a HUGE improvement in my account (and Kuki). Just because you can't farm for them at the moment, or even for a month - does it really worth it to skip them and wait a year until rerun? Hell no.
Or just get a friend to help out
Genshin has done such a good job at balancing things that no matter who you pull if you pull build a team around them you can easily beat the hardest content.
Exactly
Beat, yes. Maxed out rewards per clear, not really.
@@carloscalderon2808 you can if you're good enough
@@carloscalderon2808 Firstly if they don't like a character since past 2 years they won't be playing the game.
And even if they do they are missing out on an entirety of a single pull.
yeah! i love seeing people clear abyss with old 4 stars 😍
Kuki vs Raiden for hyperbloom:
I find most of it depends on the driver. Ranged drivers want Raiden and Melee drivers want Kuki, with some exceptions. Most notably for me is if I need a healer but don't have a better option because they are on my other abyss team
Question could I use both of them on the team at the same time
@@lashoutyt928 Nah not worth it and not that good either, you only need one and the fourth character can be anyone else to boost the team or a comfort pick
@@vk296 Agreed. You're better off running more dendro or hydro
Actual must pulls are usually archons with the exception of venti.
And Zhongli, really isn't necessary unless you are using Lyney and Ganyu
@@kameno7476 nah, his shield works everywhere. But ig he can be adjusted with layla or something so not a must pull i think.
Venti C2 and c6 gives physical and anemo ( plus absorbed element at c6) resistance shred tho
But it not that much only 20%
You forgot to include raiden
@@kameno7476 And Dendro or just want a shield.
OBJECTIVITY!!! What a concept
Brilliant perspective, rational, and amazing content!
I agree
The problem is I do not think metaslaves are the majority, Content creators should help players to find/assist new players to help build a team around their favorites.
This is easy to do, just go any site for builds and they have plenty of suggestions.
I think there are more casual players than metaslaves, many people just don't care about the abyss.
@@samirSch On how to build characters, yes. I have not found a site though that gives more like 3 team comps for a character though. Sure, some of those might have flex slots, but that still gives the feeling that you HAVE to have these characters to make the team work. I wish more sites would give substitutes for slots. As a new player, I had problems trying to figure out which characters in the recommended teams could be swapped out. i.e. Nahida could be swapped on a bloom team, not so much Chevereuse with an overload team.
I ended up skipping Kazuha because i currently main Alhaitham and Navia and neither of them use him at all, I have side projects that would REALLY benefit from him but I have no archons so for 5.0 I need to reserve my primos for the archon marathon. I appreciated you being a bit more reasonable about Kazuha, a lot of other people really had me feeling FOMO about skipping him.
Pull xiolonen
I remember one of my in game buddies unfriending me when I told them I would skip him for Eula back in 3.x lol it's just a game if you don't want something you skip if you want it you get it, these people aren't the ones that will be regretting having these characters benched so let's just do what we want and have fun. What's even more funny is that in the end I got both Kazuha and Eula on those very banners.
@@user-og9nl5mt1b Or else?😂
@@arielmk7612 u should add me , I am in eu server tho
@@arielmk7612 that's so petty what the heck lol. I personally want to pull for most of the male characters and that's just how I'm gonna enjoy this game. I started in 4.7 because of all the fanart of Zhongli, wanderer, neuvillette etc and I'm gonna get em eventually!
I do actually really like Kazuha, if it wasn't for the fact that I have zero archons I would have gone for him. But I figure hes popular enough he will be back soon :3
friends: just pull your favorites
This tierlist is pretty on point, I've had so many characters that didn't perform super well that are in the "if" category and just exploded into viability as soon as I got their complete package. I'm so fortunate that I got C6 Faruzan because wonder is my favorite character in the game. he and my Arlecchino are both really invested and if I just want to blast through an abyss, I pick them. If you really put in the work to invest in a character, they're going to do well. Pick who you like! (Pick Wanderer)
I totally agree as someone whose favourite character is Diluc. I have put a ton of investment in him and while he isn't meta by any stretch of the imagination, he does MAGNIFICENT damage now that I have gotten his best teammates and even splurged for my first ever limited 5 star weapon which was specifically for him. Sure we could argue my Neuvillette does more damage or my Alhaitham does, but there is nothing on this planet more satisfying than plunging and seeing 200k+ numbers on Diluc. I've been taking him into Abyss recently and 36 starring with him on my team and it is INCREDIBLY satisfying.
I took like wanderer a lot and wanna pull for his cons but as an f2p I wonder if it'll be a good choice or maybe I should go for meta chars
@@Parsasuha I highly recommend not pulling for his cons, pull for his weapon if the other one on banner is useful for you, probably his biggest upgrade for me was Furina C1
I'm interested to see where Mualani ends up in the meta. Even if we get perfect off field pyro application, she can still get screwed over by enemies moving away so her surfboard runs out of gas before dropping her massive nukes.
If the leaks are true I think that Xilonen will join Furina in this list. Unless it changed this last week she'll be so cracked
You can argue Xilonen powercreeps Furina
@@Icredivm Lol no you cant, you crazy?
The real powercreep is Xilonen sword, that can be used by any sword support to get 36% dmg bonus for the team.
But to say she powercreeps Furina is copium.
@@Tnscla 36% Res Shred + 40% Ele DMG Bonus from Scroll.
@@Icredivm yeah Xilonen has great DMG Buff capabilities, no doubt. But she can't deal great offield DMG like Furina. Also geo doesn't have any good reactions unlike hydro. So they are both more on the same stage from what they can offer.
@@Icredivm how, i would say Furina needs Xilonen becuase she also heals
Pulling for who you like is the best advice.
I wasn't gonna pull for mualani initially but she has goofy ahh animations so i could not resist
This might better than your original tier list for newbies
For new players, I would consider "comfy overworld characters", i.e. units that are great for exploration but also strong enough to compete at higher levels
140 wishes gave me zero raiden, but somehow went from having none of the 4 stars to a c6 sara and c3 chev. huge W
I didn't want the 5 stars or Sara, just needed 3 chev. Ended up with 11 Sara, kinich, diluc before my 3 chev :(
@@pdballou they really need to adress the 4 star character problem
@@pdballou I was around pity 12, wished to get my first Chevreuse and would be fine with Sara cons along the way and "losing" to Raiden's C3.
Spent 20 wishes and got C1 Chevy. Time to stop...or no Xilonen, Arlecchino and Maviuka for me.
@@samirSch LOL! Almost same. I was on 0 pity. I just wanted one chevy and one thoma. First ten pull, thoma. Second, chevy. Done deal i aint testing my luck anymore hahaha
@@postano9153 bro i wasted like 150 wishes to get xiangling but got like 2 while i got 1 diluc 1 tighnari and still stuck at c3 xiangling
Love the mindset but I feel there is a good mix between meta and favorites. You can include power as part of deciding a favorite. Especially with how hard new Natlan bosses are. Jonathan just made a video of how well he can beat everything with just chongyun though. So if there’s a will there’s a way.
I feel like Shunyun is soooooo underated. This has become my best support healer by far, also I feel like Thignarie is always forgotten as a major dps if put on the right team.
Considering that Mualani has neither the ease to play nor the consistency of Neuvillette or Arlecchino, i definitel think that she shouldn't be in the same tier as them
she does the XD face so its even
just say you have skill issue.
“Ease to play”, “consistency” are beginning to sound like thinly disguised “braindead”, “auto pilot”. Just admit Mualani has the same or occasionally better firepower over Neuv and Arle but requires more attention/skill and move on! It’s a meta tierlist, not an easy minimal input clear list, both can exist
@charlesang5546 brother in christ, i never said she did less damage, but one of the reason Neuvillette is so good is because of hiw simple it is to reach close to his max output. The same cannot be said for Mualani who can feel clunky at times
@@4_rol4 you're not wrong that Neuv is easier to reach his output, but isn't that assumed when Jello said "Mualani has high highs"? Doesn't the fact that she can reach much higher output than Neuv, even with being more skill dependent, justify her place alongside him?
IMO, when we recommend new players unit to aim for, power comes first cuz that's what allows them to clear/36*. Ofc it's not the only thing as finding the unit fun and liking their playstyle is also important. I can find Neuv a snoozefest, or find Mualani easier to play than Lyney/Hu Tao, that's all subjective. But it's unfair to dismiss a unit's strength just because they're not literally hold down one button level of easy, right as they're decimating casual and speedrun clears alike. Even before this abyss blessing scam btw
Also, I personally try to have a dps of every element, or at least very good supports
You will notice how comfortable that is when you do the bounties and sometimes abyss
Pulled C1R0 Raiden last rerun and C2 this one. No regrets, she hits like a truck and i love her.
I'll go for Xilonen and Mavuika after her, but right now, no regrets. Luckily Genshin isn't as piwercreep heavy and she still absolutely kills it
every time i see someone with Arlecchino in coop he always dies
I'd still advise new players to pull for kazuha even if he's not the best-in-slot for a lot of things anymore. He's still super flexible and easy to slot into random team. Easy grouping makes life way better and helps a ton with early traversal around the map.
My quality of life shot of significantly both in and out of combat after I got him.
Which is why i burnt my guarentee on him. Kept skipping over him. He gave me my first 5 star character in 2021... Jean.
No too related to the video but since a long time ago (when I hit AR60 and had everything at 100%) I started leveling and building every character (not perfect but at least usable) with the idea of not needing to share weapons or artifacts between characters and having the imaginarium theater now just make all that work worth even more so I don’t need to rebuild characters to make them usable on the theater
One of my worries with Genshin's powercreep is if we see any of the supports fall off the map like Shenhe.
Shenhe is a 5 star cryo support and she elevated cryo teams to the meta. But then sumeru comes out and freeze is just gone. Maybe we get a new cryo unit that buffs cryo teams, but that will just replace Shenhe unless mono cryo is a team.
Putting emilie next to NAHIDA is actually crazy.
Not really Kinich and Emelie is the strongest dendro team right now. We’re not in 3.X where Nahida is godlike anymore. Nahida needs new characters to play around, her current best team is with aggravate Clorinde which is very good. Any other teams fall behind Neuvi, Arrlechino, Mualani, Kinich. etc.
Bloom/Hyperbloom has a low celing since it can’t crit so it will never perform at the level as the current meta characters or future stronger ones since the highest ceiling is already reached.
Nahida has a very strong potential since she has a strong kit but current roaster doesn’t use it in their best teams, in 3.X all the best teams used Nahida now it’s not the case. Still since she has a good kit they only need to release characters that will benefit for it
At the end of the day, pick who you like - and build around them. The only advice is really to try them out in their trial and make SURE you like their playstyle before you pick them.
For example, Neuvillette is great, but some find him boring (speaking as someone who loves and adores him and uses him in most teams).
Furina is a universal support, but if you don't like your HP often sitting in the mid-range and depending on a healer to get full usage, then she REALLY isn't a pick for you.
Arlecchino is an amazing DPS, but some people cannot deal with her squishiness that may make some shy away.
Nahida is an absolute must if you want to max out your dendro team's potential, but if you don't like dendro (and I've seen people who don't.... *hugs my little radish goddess to me*), then yeah... maybe not her.
My rule of thumb when pulling is: 1) do I LIKE the character and 2) did I experience pain during their trial? LOL
Not the cat picture over Ningguang 🤣🤣🤣
There is no must-pull character. It depends on what playstyle you would like to play and build around it. Also, I believe that there is no bad character, only bad player. I’ve seen someone’s Aloy deals 1 mil damage.
If you are short on time like me, go for meta characters first and one good dps/support in each element. Pull your favourites once you can 36 star the abyss and have good element coverage in theatre. This will reduce your FOMO/stress and increase your primo income to get your favourites later.
This most recent Spiral Abyss has felt significantly easier than the last two or three. That also will reduce must-pulls if the content is just way easier 😅
There is less HP, multi wave, and shields to chew through compared to the 4.6 and 4.7 Abysses, so if your teams were not built for multi wave shields, it would be easier for you. The theory crafters have the numbers but I’d guess 20% less HP or elemental gauge.
I saw all the shields in the previous Abysses, laughed, and got away with 33/36 stars without doing Retry Impact. Today’s abyss and last Abyss only needed two retries after remembering what those enemies were about for me to 36 star.
That's how it works, it's easiest on .0 patches and goes harder from there
Meta is ever changing... but your faves are forever. Pull for who you like most first and build around them!!
I love these new strong characters but almost always go back to my Yae Miko quick-bloom team. It's my first high preforming team I put together
I did get Neuvillette C1 with his weapon and Arlecchino C2 with her weapon. At this point in my main account, if I really like and want a Character I will vertically invest to a point. Rather then a bunch of C0 with 4 star weapons… There are so many Characters I have but never even use. I loved Kinich and Ajaw from day one and I plan on C1 or 2 with is weapon. Though I have been playing for almost 4 years…So I feel like collecting more Characters just to get more Characters is no longer my goal. I also love my Alhaitham and he is C2 with his sig.
playing lyney when the rotation get right is so satisfying, like you shots 2 arrow suddenly there was a tornado created by kazuha fire by xiangling and bennett and then boom the enemies disapear, almost like magic lol
1:40 „Tooootally Hypotehtical“😂😂😂😂
Xilonen wants to know your Location 😂😂😂
“I've completely seen the leaks, but I'll pretend to not, coz it's cool”
this guy is underrating so xingxu so baddlly
C0?
I've become addicted to my furina, Bennet, gaming, kazhua team lol
One character that needs a shout out is Gaming especially at C6. I’ve prioritized him since I got his C6 on his last banner, and I’m shocked at how flexible he is. Plunge, burning, overload, etc. So much damage in such a little guy.
My problem with many of the meta argument is they dont define what meta is, this makes everyone base line different and some people dont understand where you stand, are we talking about fastest clear? Highest dmg? Best comfort? Cause we know every character in genshin can clear the abyss, and by definition we can also say that EVERY character in genshin have their own meta team which I believe is abetter way to define instead of mixing everything cause a lot of character have their own place
i always chuckle a bit when people put characters in the s/ss tier and it turns out its always neuvilette's bis team.
[9:30] This is probably the best Genshin tier list I've seen. However, I am saddened that cyro has fallen so far to be relegated to the "requires work" tier. I am not arguing with the position, it's just disheartening since I was such a huge Ayaka fan for a long time.
Cryo will receive massive buffs in Snezhnaya. Trust the plan
I first pulled for hydro daddy c1, pulled for his team furina c0 and kazuha c0, hopefully will get xilonen, then mommy clorinde c0, get her team chevruse c2 and kojo(evading me like crazy until i get raiden c0) also need more, cons for xialing c2. Im just building for my mommy and daddy. Started playing feb or march 2024. So relax we will finish the abyss with our favorites.
This is exactly my playstyle, I want to have my favorite characters but my main problem is that almost non of my favorite characters go together, so it's really hard trying to get what you want and need at the same time😂
I still play Childe international since inazuma, Childe international is still good even with Neuvillette powercrept
Thank you for another upload! I’m always looking forward to your videos and hearing your thoughts 😊
I am impressed with how well they thought out all the reactions so long ago to stop must pulls. Now we just need cryo to be fixed. It is the worst element now. Also, Sigewiene feels a bit weird she is a comfy pull, but she kinda depends on Furina. But I would probably still put her in comfy pulls instead of requires work, and that's the only thing I would change.
Such a great concise guide. Nice job Jello.
I agree & think this is a fair take.
I think you may be over-valuing Mualani a little, because her targetting seems a bit janky regardless of her potential damage ceiling.
There might be no true "must pull" characters at this point, because everybody's role can either be substituted with other character's or is niche and optional.
The og 4* characters and the national team archetype will probably remain viable throughout the game imo, because it's a good advertisement for the game being accessible to ftp players and counters arguments that it's a ptw predatory model
I got Mualani day 1 and her targeting hasn’t missed a beat
I would still happily put Raiden into Great Supports and Xianyun into Comfy Pulls. At the baseline they do provide great service and under certain circumstances they can be used much better.
IMO Kazuha should be a must pull, he just makes the game better in all aspects
just 3 days ago I made a list of my favorite teams that I wanted to build out / maybe summon for. EIGHT out of the NINE teams I picked (from my account) had Furina in them.
I freaking love Fontaine Characters. They pulled me out of the Hyperbloom Hell. After Neuvillette released I vowed to never use Deandro ever again. 🤣
thank you for this guide! i appreciate the geo comment since thats what i was looking to hear!!
btw we love you jello thanks for your vids
1:48 I love the little cat picture clearly in reference to a certain upcoming geo character 🤣🤣🤣
Read this for update:
What you really need to know before wishing:
Xilonen is 5.1 she is a skater geo who has multiple builds for support and dps
Mavuika who is the pyro archon who will use a godam motorcycle and is pyro set for 5.3 update.
And these are probably the best ones to save up for
There is also natlan ganyu in 5.2
Yw ppl
Its just the product of hoyo contracts and rules, he probably can’t really talk about what we really need to know which is future character info and future changes.
Wait.. Natlan ganyu? Oh you mean the girl with weird outfit and hat? I forgot her name..
Any info on Ororon tho? I want him..
I think everyone can agree that this guy is a real goat!!
As a new-ish player that started around 4.2 and been clearing everything for several months, gonna share what worked for me: Get 5 stars Nahinda, Furina, Raiden, Kazuha - best supports, Neuvillete and Arlecchino - best dps. 4 stars: bennet, xingui, kuki shinobu, fischl, xiangling, noelle. And you are good to go. It might seem a lot, but i gradually collected/built them over last year and it started working pretty early. Started with budget hyperbloom + raiden national and worked through to build better teams. At first floor 12 seemed completely impossible but i kept trying, then i got 30 stars, then 33 and after trying harder - i cleared with 36 star once, and kept with it ever since. My current best teams are Neuvillete archon hyperbloom + Arlecchino XQ Kazuha bennet. Sometimes i tech switch like putting noelle to break geo shields, or putting an archer, or putting in XL to break cryo shield. But in general these 2 teams never failed me once i got them. If these teams start to fall of - worst case scenario it will be 33 stars instead of 36.
More Chars = more resin to split!
I love the totally hypothetical tips! xD keep up the great work
Yelan is great in overworld travel and in battle. Basically a timesaver when getting from point A to B in any region. Dont just measure the character by battle power.
I wish I would’ve seen this before I c1 kazuha. He’s fun in the world, but I’m definitely struggling in the imaginary Theatre and spirals
yeah I am a patch 1.0 player who has never pulled kazuha or yelan just have venti, sucrose, xingqiu, furina
do not feel like im missing out
Looking at the new abyss cycle, 1 pretty noticeable thing is each chambers almost doesn't need grouping. If they make more abyss like this, I think Kazuha wouldn't as OP as before esp. when Xilonen come out. Ofc, Kazuha is still very strong, but I don't think he is as needed as before.
The two sides anti-Kazuha trend started all the way back in Fontaine after Neuvilette’s release: they’d put enemies that were nearly impossible to group (cannot be staggered, move faster than the Anemo suction, shields, etc) in a straight line to promote Neuvilette beam cannon them rather than pulling them to melee with Kazuha. As you mention, Kazuha was still useful, but you needed to manipulate AI so enemies group themselves for your swirl.
For this Abyss, I’m not sure if it’s anti Kazuha as much as it is anti-“Circle Impact” to promote how Mualani and Kinich can switch targets faster than most on field DPS. They can’t get turned into a helpless ball, but I find most of the enemies started close enough together to be hit by a swirl.
Before Neuvilette, there was usually a very groupable side and a less groupable side (since two groupable sides meant players owning the whole thing with Venti on one side and Sucrose or Kazuha on the other).
Kinich is literally natlan meta and he might be the only few meta characters who are fun to play. He’s pretty much all we need in Natlan. He can take the fruits and do the pyro damage which is actually very high and can explore very easily.
Yeah best exploration character.
U have to admire the work he puts on not spilling the tea on Xilonen´s leaks xD
Meta and Aesthetic are equally important imo. Feels nice when you have a character who can get a lot of field time as opposed to collecting dust. I call it core meta when we aren’t following current meta but future meta, core meta is based on enemies as opposed to current difficulties.
Core meta to me is based on game mechanics and what they’ve introduced thus far. So far you’ll something to combat corrosion (a healer), something to combat one shooter’s aka a shielder, high dmg burst, high dmg sustain, high dmg AoE, and high dmg ST. Also they’ve introduced mechanics including elemental shields so ideally you’ll want to build 1-2 characters per element and a team per reaction so you’ll. Once this core is completed you’ll generally not find any difficulty any longer in this game besides collecting Constellations.
This core meta stands true since even if Mavuika comes out she’d have to be completely insane and basically become Pyro Furina to actually leave old meta characters that far behind. My Vape Arleccino, Aggravate Yae Miko, Melt Ganyu, Freeze Ayaka, National Raiden, Eula, and Hyper Navia generally destroy everything in the game. This is something built over years sure but it can only be built over years or at a year, there just aren’t enough characters to grab in a year to completely round out your account!
I've saved myself so much trouble by just not doing the Abyss, and instead just having fun in the over-world. I'd rather be happy than meta.
You can clear it with 1.x units tho, meta just does it faster
I have been playing for almost a year non stop every day and Still have never gone into the abyss...
Abyss is just once a month so why not have fun by clearing it and taking the primos with it... it isnt that hard anyway.
Hate to break it to you, but Meta is virtually fake youtuber noise.
You can beat Abyss with any characters in the roster as long as they're optimized via a decent team. Not only that, but nothing is forcing you to beat Abyss 12, just get as many primos as you can and then move on
People find different things fun 😊 I find the story, overworld exploration, spiral abyss, and imaginarium theatre all equally fun! I love building my personal favorite characters regardless of the “meta”, and I also love building “meta” teams. I’ve cried so many times during the story, but I also love to see “big colorful numbers go boom” lol. To me, it’s all very fun in different ways. I just pick which one I’m in the mood for at any given moment 🥰
7:15 I totally agree. No one is a must pull, because no character is the best for every single possible team in the game.
I think Furina is the closest, but even she doesn’t improve every team.
I went from C1 to C3R1 yesterday all for Raiden and I'll never regret it 💪💪💪✨✨✨
I feel getting new characters are more fun tbh especially if you can already 36 star the abyss
Not the Ningguang avatar with a picture of a cat on top of her face. Hahaha
I don't see Genshin as having relevant power creep in terms of characters. The floor is so low in the game that even if a directly power creep version of a character comes out, the original will still work. The new one will just result in you succeeding better and/or faster. Your favorites will still get you through years down the line. Especially as new supports come out.
The only power creep that will actually matter for the game is the challenges themselves. If they ever start introducing regular spikes in difficulty then it's gonna matter that your character is dated, but as is the floor doesn't rise fast enough that many characters become obsolete.
Xilonen's coming for that must pull top slot! Most busted universal support in Genshin history (excluding dendro/anemo).
There's no such thing as "must pull" in Genshin impact that tier list is for the strongest team in the game.
yeah mualani is really a contender,because shes the first character on my account to break 5 million damage at C0 on that wayob boss, not even my arle and raiden did that damage
Pulling for Xilonen even if she heals enemies, leaks saying she is borderline OP/Broken is just a bonus imo.
How have I never noticed your all time low record in the bg before 😭😭
And then there's me who pulled raiden for hyperbloom. Now she outperforms my C6 Gaming team at lvl 70 and a lvl 50 weapon (dragon's bane)
Rule of thumb: always save for archon. They provide value in multiple comps and may stay relevant for a year or two.
Rule of pinky: always roll for wife.
such a great guide, thank you
I just 36 starred for the first time on a long while, for so long it felt like the abyss was getting harder faster than I could make my characters stronger but I did it today with Mualani. I guess I just needed a solid flexible strong DPS, because I feel like either Neuvillette or Arlecchino would have done the job too
Don’t get too comfortable, the first abyss of every region is usually easier than the previous abyss cycles and usually is built to give advantages to the current character on banner (Mualani in this case)
I’m not saying that Mualani is going to fall off but there are going to be scenarios where she will struggle to clear in time so take in consideration how the chambers are built and maybe what is the moon’s blessing
Ummmm, no. You cleared this Abyss because this Abyss is RIDICULOUSLY EASY
Just pulled 2 Raidens and Chev on my first 10-pull, there goes my luck for the rest of Natlan lol
Haha, hopefully not!
I could see ppl skipping nahida now that emilie and kinich exist and can keep dendro applied i could see them working just as easily in a nilou bloom team as nahida does
Puting Klee above Ayaka is crazy!!!
Also Mualani and Emilie should not be that high! They each have big risk and restrictions, which should be one tier below someone who is comfy and universal with similar damage, LOL
Xilonen about to absolutely demolish the meta.