Sorry for the long message. Yeah so ccs working great so far. No problems there. But, I've been trying to get the mx12 to actually also perform bank changes, as well as program changes. But without success in terms of switching banks. I have been able to get the mx12 to do program changes, actually which is great, but not bank changes yet (msb, lsb above zero, to access presets beyond 128). My synth i have it connected to, a kodamo mask 1, uses cc 32 for program changes (manual said, bank 0 is factory banks 1 to 4 for user banks, up to 400 slots), and has no mapping for msb, just lsb. Interestingly enough, though I seem to have no way using the mx12 to switch banks that I've figured out yet , (it simple changes within bank 0, the factory presets), I can do bank switching through all memory slots , if I plug midi out from my Roland a49 into the synth midi in, itself, just as an experiment. I'm suspecting this controller won't switch banks, but maybe there's a feature I overlooked, and it's possible somehow. Have you used your faderfox to switch user banks on your deluge and if so how did you set that up? Maybe I missed a feature from between checking the manual and asking elsewhere. Thanks
Hui - the Deluge doesn't have a bank switch concept so I've never had to try that. I think you're probably past the limits of the MX12 here, and probably need a MIDI sequencer. Alternatively consider pairing it with a Blokas Midihub; the Midihub is a MIDI processor so it could convert a MIDI message from the MX12 into multiple bank change messages for example.
Update - a while back, perhaps a week or so after commenting previously here, I did in fact figure out how to change banks. I contacted the manufacturer who gave me a tip on it. Essentially, and this is for memory since I’m not home at the moment, but, I used CC mode to change bank 0 through bank 4 on my synth connected to the mx12, [it has 500 patches in it], on four of the green buttons in one of the setups. What I did was use cc#32, and choose 0 as the lo, and 1 as the hi. Then I go back into play mode, and select one button to switch from bank 0 to bank 1. When I use the upper buttons to program change, in order to select a higher bank, I first hit the green button of the bank I want to switch to, then select a gray button where I have presets stored, and the bank changes ! Works perfectly. All I need to do now is figure how to send midi via usb, that is, for the 3rd input, to see if the synth I want to control, will send midi over usb, or not. It’s the audyo anyma phi, which has lots of great parameters, but they’re hidden in a labyrinthian menu. MX12 sure would open that up. The Phi does have usb host input on the back, but id have to check its manual to see if it will send midi over usb or not. I’ve since also connected my Korg R3 to the mx12 to control its parameters as well, which has also worked out great. MX12 is quite versatile, and is definitely one of the better purchases I’ve made with gear, easily.
Is it possible to route one set of messages only to MIDI out 1 and another to MIDI out 2? For example, I have 16 channels in the mixer and I dont want to effect my synth at the same time, if mx12 is sending messages out to both output at the same time
@@SynthDadTnx. So how do you deal with faders being in different positions after set up changes? Let's say you were controlling your mixer and said the fad way then you said change setup to control something else, but now the faders are in different positions and so you don't know what they were before
@@StaavAutumn Ah this is a tricky issue that depends a lot on your gear being controlled. The Faderfox will read MIDI messages from a synth if it is able to transmit the current value for a parameter, and then you need to "catch" the new value by moving the slider. But that requires your synth to send any changes to parameters so that controllers can update themselves. Not all synths do that!
What are the dimensions for those paper pieces, like a cm or two per each? I guess i could just cut to fit... I wish there were an mx12 overlay out there. Oversynth makes lots but i hadn't seen it on their list. I'm not sure if stereoping would make one. I already emailed faderfox and unfortunately they do not make an mx12 overlay.
hi, great video, thanks! Is the knobs has the center notch? For instance if I map to Balance parameter, it'd be nice to have the center notch to know the value is exact in the middle without looking at the screen. Some of the novation boxes has this but they only offer 8 ch. I need at least 10 for my setup and good to have future proof of extra 2.
There's no centre 'detent' if that's what you mean. The LED display on the MX12 will show the current value though, so if you have it set to -64 - +64 then 12 o'clock will be shown as 0 so you can centre it that way
@SynthDad: How exactly did you map the green buttons on the Faderfox MX12 to the mute buttons on the Deluge? I've been trying to do this with no luck this whole afternoon. I'm doing the "Learn + mute pad" thing. Not working. Tried assigning the button to "Note" instead of "CC" on the Faderfox. Not working either. You jumped into your time machine, so I coudn't see how you assigned the green buttons to mute clips 🙂
@@SynthDad Hi! Thanks for responding! I finally figured it out: Not only do you need to set the "Pot Type" to "Note" (instead of "CC" for the Digitakt) but you also need to set the "Lower Value" to "L000" and the "Upper Value" to "U127". The problem was: I had previously controlled a Digitakt by muting it's 8 tracks, and I had the lower and upper value configured exactly the OTHER WAY AROUND!
I'm trying to figure out how to control my own customized midi cc messages from a different synth I connected to my mx12. But the mx12 seems to only audibly modulate when I'm using the default setup 01 with its preselected parameters. I've only just bought both the synth and the controller so I probably will figure this out. The mx12 manual was a tad confusing for my normally simple setups I've had until recently. The synth however I have connected doesn't have learn on it itself, so I was trying to input the cc manually. I think there's some order to how I input all those things I haven't grasped yet.
Hi, could you explain how to get the mx12 and pc12 working together? I’m using a crossover Ethernet cable which sends power from the MX12 to the PC12. However, I get no midi signal in Ableton from the PC12. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
Are you connecting the PC12 to the MX12 and then the MX12 to your PC? Use setup 29 on the PC12 and Setup 30 on the MX12 as they're pre-configured for Ableton. Otherwise check the routing on the PC12 so that it routes to the extension port, and the same on the MX12
OMG SyNTHDAD, I have MAD questions in regards to using the MX12 and SYNTHSTROM DELUGE!!!! do you think I can use this MX12 to control 2 synthstrom deluges, and where can I possibly find those stick on numerical/alphbet that you have on the DELUGE?
Two Deluges - crazy man! Well the answer is yes because you just 'learn' each MIDI control to the individual settings on each Deluge. As the MX12 has two MIDI outputs you can send MIDI to both Deluges in parallel
Hi - well for Ableton you'll want Push. It's purpose built for using with Ableton. But I still have this controller (and the PC12) and use them. They're built to last!
Hi, very interesting video. How did you set up the send levels from the mixer on the pedals? I couldnt find the cc corresponding to the send levels in the X air midi implementation chart. is there anything I am missing?
I want to try controlling some parameters from my analog rythm with my tr-8. I don't think ether device has the possibility to configure the CC messages. So i was thinking that i might be able to convert the tr-8 cc messages using the ZOIA to CC messages that the Rythm understands.
Thanks for the video. Now a question for some advice. I wanna buy a Faderfox PC12 to control some of my hardware synths. Also i wan't to control my Ableton sesion view. The faders on the MX12 are very handy, but can i control cliplaunching from the MX12? If not, which controller do you advise near the PC12?
Both the PC12 and MX12 have buttons you can configure to send MIDI which could launch clips in Ableton. But they’re small and not ideal for live playing, so my guess is you’ll want a controller with big pads to hit for clip launching. Have you looked for maybe a LaunchPad to pair with the MX12?
Hi! Can the MX12 track focus in order to use for each track the whole rows of pots? I am between the pots only version and fader version in order to use with Ableton and Octatrack and cannot decide which device whould be more handy. Great video!
@@SynthDad like select one track in ableton, use all the pots for that track and when you select another track you would have available all pots for that track and so on. I am not even sure if this is possible. I believe the launch control xl by novation can perform something like that.
Hi there! I just purchased this unit and love it, but fear I'm not maximizing its potential. Where were you able to find a manual for this? Mine shipped with only German instructions. Thanks!
I love the look of the Faderfox gear ..... BUT if I was to get both of them I wouldn't get any change out £1260 .. this is insane for two (very cool ) but midi controllers.. for the same money I could buy 17 Akai Midi mix controllers (that would be 408 knobs & 153 sliders) silly right .. but you get my point ... I'd be happy spending £600 for the pair of fader foxes but >£1200 blows my mind
I agree they are pricey, but quality does come at a price. And the MIDIMix controllers are not even close to these in terms of functionality (USB only, no presets, require a USB host). Given a choice I'd go for the MX12 for the blend of faders and knobs
Great video. I have the Deluge, Zoia, and 1010 Bluebox (among other hardware synths) and this is a great as an all-in-one controller. Question, I'm a little unclear how your connecting midi/usb to all devices. Are you running through a hub?
Hello SynthDad! Thanks for the video :) Excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand how the 2 MIDI out ports can be configured. I would like to use the PC12 to control 2 Octatrack, controlling Octatrack 1 with MIDI in/out 1, and Octatrack 2 with MIDI in/out 2, to avoid conflicting MIDI messages. Is that possible?
Not possible I'm afraid - the two MIDI ports are copies of each other an you can't send one message on one port and a different message on the other port
I tried the 'shift master' to learn on the Deluge but it only set the volume of one drum sound, the active drum, not the whole kit track. Maybe synth track in different. Should have tried that. Anyhow cheers very useful.
Yes in the kit tracks on the Deluge you need to learn the MIDI controller to each sample, unlike a synth track where it applies to the whole synth. There's no apply-to-all learn function. It's a known issue
@@SynthDad I've found that learning the Midi controller to each sample in a kit has one major drawback: When the volume levels of all drums are controlled by the same fader, the common fader value nivellates any pre-existing differences in volume between the single instruments (= meaning your Hihat is as loud as your Kick). The only workaround I've found, is to set an individual max. volume of each drum sample via the oscillator levels and set the master levels of all drum instruments to an equal value. Unfortunately this can take quite bit of additional effort in regards to gain-staging, especially when using more than one sample. How do you deal with this issue?
Uli Straub That’s a good point and one of the frustrating things that you can’t assign a ‘relative’ volume to samples in the kit. Sometimes I’ll keep the tops of the percussion at a fixed volume and assign the fader to the bass/kick drum so I can drop it. Alternative approach is to keep the volume fixed and map the fader to the filter so that you close the filter completely and kill the drum sounds. I’ve used that trick on a few tracks.
Yes! You can save multiple configurations on the MX12 storing fader assignments. Press the red shift button and the green buttons to select a setup. So it’s easy to jump between different fader groups
@@SynthDad thanks for the reply. I have mackie controller and there you can push a button to move 8 faders to the left or even one. Can I couple them together so that pushing somewhere a button that the fader on the MX12 and the mackie controller are moving together ?
Hmm, I’m not sure if the MX12 will respond to a PC or CC message to switch setups. Maybe drop an email to info@faderfox.de? You might have to press two buttons!
Very interesting! Does the XR18 need to be connected to a host device in order for the MX12 to control it? Or once everything’s midi mapped, can you fly without the iPad/laptop?
@@SynthDad Also, I see there's also a UC44. Looks very similar to the MX12, but 16 channels. Have you checked that out? Is it the same basic functionality, or...?
I have a question for you SynthDad. Something makes me confused about midi controller features. I plan to buy one for my deluge and it is a dilemma. If I understand well, the MX12 has templates that you could use for example for different songs on the deluge. But if in template 1 my knob is set to MAX CC VALUE, and I jump to template 2, where that knob is set to a lower value than MAX CC VALUE, I can't increase anymore the value? Endless knobs solve this but is there something else that could solve it? So is it better to buy a cheaper controller with endless knob/fader, like the UC4 Faderfox, or a controller with more knobs but tricky template's jump, like the MX12? Thanks, and keep going with your channel, as long as you enjoy it! Great videos! You should think about Patreon, unless you already did and I didn't find it.
Thanks for the kind words Victor! The problem you describe is common to all MIDI controller that don’t have feedback from the device they control - what to do if the value of the CC has change from what the knob shows. One workaround is how the controller will have to ‘pickup’ the new value before it sends a value to the device. In the MX12 and EC4 controllers this is called ‘snap’ mode, and you have to move the controller to pickup the new value before it will start to send any MIDI data. Also, if you press the red shift button while turning a controller it will suppress sending MIDI data until you release the red button, allowing you to fine tune it when switching templates. That’s the best I can think of for you!
I just got my mx12. Im in way over my head here haha I can get it to work. Im trying to control the master volume of a track on my deluge via usb with a slider on the mx12. Im pressing the red button and the encoder on mx12 and the 'learn'-led flashes. I move slider 1. But when I go into shift+master and then hold the learn button and move the mx12 slider at the same time like you do in the video, nothing happens. No "learned" message on the deluge appears. any idea what Im doing wrong here? :/
If you use a USB controller, you have to power the deluge by its power cable, then the Deluge should show midi on startup, if the cables are plugged in before powering.
They're both built on the same architecture; the PC12 is 6 rows of 12 knobs and this is two rows of knobs and a row of faders. I have both and they work together perfectly.
For the Deluge I set up some drum and synth tracks and then learned the MIDI controls to it one by one. On the Zoia I starred the patch parameters I wanted to control, then pressed Shift-Star to select the MIDI CC for each parameter.
Had my eyes on one of these, thanks for the solid review. It does everything I hoped and more ! Sold 👍
Glad I could help!
Would you make a detailed video about how to set it up with the XR18?
Sorry I don't have time to do that right now
thank you I was unsure. after your video I will buy it :)
Great to hear. Enjoy!
nice informative tutorial video!!
I have ordered yesterday the EC4 model :)
The EC4 is a great controller!
Sorry for the long message. Yeah so ccs working great so far. No problems there. But, I've been trying to get the mx12 to actually also perform bank changes, as well as program changes. But without success in terms of switching banks.
I have been able to get the mx12 to do program changes, actually which is great, but not bank changes yet (msb, lsb above zero, to access presets beyond 128). My synth i have it connected to, a kodamo mask 1, uses cc 32 for program changes (manual said, bank 0 is factory banks 1 to 4 for user banks, up to 400 slots), and has no mapping for msb, just lsb.
Interestingly enough, though I seem to have no way using the mx12 to switch banks that I've figured out yet , (it simple changes within bank 0, the factory presets), I can do bank switching through all memory slots , if I plug midi out from my Roland a49 into the synth midi in, itself, just as an experiment.
I'm suspecting this controller won't switch banks, but maybe there's a feature I overlooked, and it's possible somehow.
Have you used your faderfox to switch user banks on your deluge and if so how did you set that up? Maybe I missed a feature from between checking the manual and asking elsewhere. Thanks
Hui - the Deluge doesn't have a bank switch concept so I've never had to try that. I think you're probably past the limits of the MX12 here, and probably need a MIDI sequencer. Alternatively consider pairing it with a Blokas Midihub; the Midihub is a MIDI processor so it could convert a MIDI message from the MX12 into multiple bank change messages for example.
@@SynthDad Thanks for the tip, appreciate it!
Update - a while back, perhaps a week or so after commenting previously here, I did in fact figure out how to change banks. I contacted the manufacturer who gave me a tip on it. Essentially, and this is for memory since I’m not home at the moment, but, I used CC mode to change bank 0 through bank 4 on my synth connected to the mx12, [it has 500 patches in it], on four of the green buttons in one of the setups. What I did was use cc#32, and choose 0 as the lo, and 1 as the hi. Then I go back into play mode, and select one button to switch from bank 0 to bank 1. When I use the upper buttons to program change, in order to select a higher bank, I first hit the green button of the bank I want to switch to, then select a gray button where I have presets stored, and the bank changes ! Works perfectly.
All I need to do now is figure how to send midi via usb, that is, for the 3rd input, to see if the synth I want to control, will send midi over usb, or not. It’s the audyo anyma phi, which has lots of great parameters, but they’re hidden in a labyrinthian menu. MX12 sure would open that up. The Phi does have usb host input on the back, but id have to check its manual to see if it will send midi over usb or not.
I’ve since also connected my Korg R3 to the mx12 to control its parameters as well, which has also worked out great. MX12 is quite versatile, and is definitely one of the better purchases I’ve made with gear, easily.
Cool set up!
Thanks!
Is it possible to route one set of messages only to MIDI out 1 and another to MIDI out 2? For example, I have 16 channels in the mixer and I dont want to effect my synth at the same time, if mx12 is sending messages out to both output at the same time
Unfortunately not
@@SynthDadTnx. So how do you deal with faders being in different positions after set up changes? Let's say you were controlling your mixer and said the fad way then you said change setup to control something else, but now the faders are in different positions and so you don't know what they were before
@@StaavAutumn Ah this is a tricky issue that depends a lot on your gear being controlled. The Faderfox will read MIDI messages from a synth if it is able to transmit the current value for a parameter, and then you need to "catch" the new value by moving the slider. But that requires your synth to send any changes to parameters so that controllers can update themselves. Not all synths do that!
What are the dimensions for those paper pieces, like a cm or two per each? I guess i could just cut to fit...
I wish there were an mx12 overlay out there.
Oversynth makes lots but i hadn't seen it on their list. I'm not sure if stereoping would make one. I already emailed faderfox and unfortunately they do not make an mx12 overlay.
I think they are 5mm labels I bought on Amazon
hi, great video, thanks! Is the knobs has the center notch? For instance if I map to Balance parameter, it'd be nice to have the center notch to know the value is exact in the middle without looking at the screen. Some of the novation boxes has this but they only offer 8 ch. I need at least 10 for my setup and good to have future proof of extra 2.
There's no centre 'detent' if that's what you mean. The LED display on the MX12 will show the current value though, so if you have it set to -64 - +64 then 12 o'clock will be shown as 0 so you can centre it that way
@SynthDad: How exactly did you map the green buttons on the Faderfox MX12 to the mute buttons on the Deluge? I've been trying to do this with no luck this whole afternoon. I'm doing the "Learn + mute pad" thing. Not working. Tried assigning the button to "Note" instead of "CC" on the Faderfox. Not working either. You jumped into your time machine, so I coudn't see how you assigned the green buttons to mute clips 🙂
Hmm it's been a long time since I made that video, but basically it is just down to sending notes from the green pads into the Deluge.
@@SynthDad Hi! Thanks for responding! I finally figured it out: Not only do you need to set the "Pot Type" to "Note" (instead of "CC" for the Digitakt) but you also need to set the "Lower Value" to "L000" and the "Upper Value" to "U127". The problem was: I had previously controlled a Digitakt by muting it's 8 tracks, and I had the lower and upper value configured exactly the OTHER WAY AROUND!
I'm trying to figure out how to control my own customized midi cc messages from a different synth I connected to my mx12. But the mx12 seems to only audibly modulate when I'm using the default setup 01 with its preselected parameters.
I've only just bought both the synth and the controller so I probably will figure this out. The mx12 manual was a tad confusing for my normally simple setups I've had until recently.
The synth however I have connected doesn't have learn on it itself, so I was trying to input the cc manually. I think there's some order to how I input all those things I haven't grasped yet.
wow that one button push ... that was what i missed doing. green button 6.
Glad you got it figured out!
Hi, could you explain how to get the mx12 and pc12 working together? I’m using a crossover Ethernet cable which sends power from the MX12 to the PC12. However, I get no midi signal in Ableton from the PC12.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Are you connecting the PC12 to the MX12 and then the MX12 to your PC? Use setup 29 on the PC12 and Setup 30 on the MX12 as they're pre-configured for Ableton.
Otherwise check the routing on the PC12 so that it routes to the extension port, and the same on the MX12
@@SynthDad thanks for the reply. I got it sorted!
OMG SyNTHDAD, I have MAD questions in regards to using the MX12 and SYNTHSTROM DELUGE!!!! do you think I can use this MX12 to control 2 synthstrom deluges, and where can I possibly find those stick on numerical/alphbet that you have on the DELUGE?
Two Deluges - crazy man! Well the answer is yes because you just 'learn' each MIDI control to the individual settings on each Deluge. As the MX12 has two MIDI outputs you can send MIDI to both Deluges in parallel
Very helpful, thanks
Jimantronic Thanks for watching!
Hi , now, after two years of making this video. Any controller that tops this one?(Ableton use case specially)
Hi - well for Ableton you'll want Push. It's purpose built for using with Ableton. But I still have this controller (and the PC12) and use them. They're built to last!
Hi, very interesting video. How did you set up the send levels from the mixer on the pedals? I couldnt find the cc corresponding to the send levels in the X air midi implementation chart. is there anything I am missing?
It's on MIDI CC 21-26 channel 1 according to the manual
I want to try controlling some parameters from my analog rythm with my tr-8. I don't think ether device has the possibility to configure the CC messages. So i was thinking that i might be able to convert the tr-8 cc messages using the ZOIA to CC messages that the Rythm understands.
Yes the Zoia can definitely do this for you, or you could use a Blokas Midihub too
Question! Is it possible to link the knobs on the MX12 to the Parametric EQs on the XR18?
Unfortunately not - by default the XR18 doesn’t expose controls to change the EQ settings over MIDI
can I rout MIDI Signals through the MX12 ? I only have one MIDI IN on my interface but I would need to plug the mx12 and a foot pedal into it...
Yes the MX12 has USB and DIN MIDI ports so you can set up MIDI routing. It is not very complex but can help merge two sources together into one
Thanks for the video. Now a question for some advice. I wanna buy a Faderfox PC12 to control some of my hardware synths. Also i wan't to control my Ableton sesion view. The faders on the MX12 are very handy, but can i control cliplaunching from the MX12? If not, which controller do you advise near the PC12?
Both the PC12 and MX12 have buttons you can configure to send MIDI which could launch clips in Ableton. But they’re small and not ideal for live playing, so my guess is you’ll want a controller with big pads to hit for clip launching. Have you looked for maybe a LaunchPad to pair with the MX12?
Thx for video. Do I need to manually map the faders to each Ableton live set, or will it automatically do it similar to MCU? Thx!
Sorry I’m not an expert in Ableton to help on that
Great video! Just a suggestion, you might want to use a de-esser on your vocal track.
Thanks - I will pay attention to that in the future
could it be used as a sequencer like the "Behringer BCR32/Zaquencer"?
No, it doesn’t have any sequencing capabilities, only a controller
Hi! Can the MX12 track focus in order to use for each track the whole rows of pots? I am between the pots only version and fader version in order to use with Ableton and Octatrack and cannot decide which device whould be more handy. Great video!
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "track focus"?
@@SynthDad like select one track in ableton, use all the pots for that track and when you select another track you would have available all pots for that track and so on. I am not even sure if this is possible. I believe the launch control xl by novation can perform something like that.
Hi there! I just purchased this unit and love it, but fear I'm not maximizing its potential. Where were you able to find a manual for this? Mine shipped with only German instructions. Thanks!
Hi - the manual is available in English here, if you scroll down to the bottom of the page: www.faderfox.de/mx12.html
I love the look of the Faderfox gear ..... BUT if I was to get both of them I wouldn't get any change out £1260 .. this is insane for two (very cool ) but midi controllers.. for the same money I could buy 17 Akai Midi mix controllers (that would be 408 knobs & 153 sliders) silly right .. but you get my point ... I'd be happy spending £600 for the pair of fader foxes but >£1200 blows my mind
I agree they are pricey, but quality does come at a price. And the MIDIMix controllers are not even close to these in terms of functionality (USB only, no presets, require a USB host). Given a choice I'd go for the MX12 for the blend of faders and knobs
Great video. I have the Deluge, Zoia, and 1010 Bluebox (among other hardware synths) and this is a great as an all-in-one controller. Question, I'm a little unclear how your connecting midi/usb to all devices. Are you running through a hub?
Thanks! The MX12 has two MIDI DIN outputs and a USB MIDI output, so you have a lot of options for connecting to gear
Hello SynthDad! Thanks for the video :) Excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand how the 2 MIDI out ports can be configured. I would like to use the PC12 to control 2 Octatrack, controlling Octatrack 1 with MIDI in/out 1, and Octatrack 2 with MIDI in/out 2, to avoid conflicting MIDI messages. Is that possible?
Not possible I'm afraid - the two MIDI ports are copies of each other an you can't send one message on one port and a different message on the other port
I tried the 'shift master' to learn on the Deluge but it only set the volume of one drum sound, the active drum, not the whole kit track. Maybe synth track in different. Should have tried that. Anyhow cheers very useful.
Yes in the kit tracks on the Deluge you need to learn the MIDI controller to each sample, unlike a synth track where it applies to the whole synth. There's no apply-to-all learn function. It's a known issue
@@SynthDad I've found that learning the Midi controller to each sample in a kit has one major drawback: When the volume levels of all drums are controlled by the same fader, the common fader value nivellates any pre-existing differences in volume between the single instruments (= meaning your Hihat is as loud as your Kick). The only workaround I've found, is to set an individual max. volume of each drum sample via the oscillator levels and set the master levels of all drum instruments to an equal value. Unfortunately this can take quite bit of additional effort in regards to gain-staging, especially when using more than one sample. How do you deal with this issue?
Uli Straub That’s a good point and one of the frustrating things that you can’t assign a ‘relative’ volume to samples in the kit. Sometimes I’ll keep the tops of the percussion at a fixed volume and assign the fader to the bass/kick drum so I can drop it. Alternative approach is to keep the volume fixed and map the fader to the filter so that you close the filter completely and kill the drum sounds. I’ve used that trick on a few tracks.
I see that you have 12 faders. I need 16 faders. Can you program when you push a button that the next for example 8 faders are assigned ?
Yes! You can save multiple configurations on the MX12 storing fader assignments. Press the red shift button and the green buttons to select a setup. So it’s easy to jump between different fader groups
@@SynthDad thanks for the reply. I have mackie controller and there you can push a button to move 8 faders to the left or even one. Can I couple them together so that pushing somewhere a button that the fader on the MX12 and the mackie controller are moving together ?
Hmm, I’m not sure if the MX12 will respond to a PC or CC message to switch setups. Maybe drop an email to info@faderfox.de? You might have to press two buttons!
Very interesting! Does the XR18 need to be connected to a host device in order for the MX12 to control it? Or once everything’s midi mapped, can you fly without the iPad/laptop?
It's all MIDI mapped so no iPad needed
@@SynthDad thanks for the reply. Endless or absolute encoders?
@@realSeanMcMahon absolute encoders, but they have two modes; jump to current value or “pick up” value. All in the manual
@@SynthDad thanks! I’d be very curious how you travel with this setup for gigs etc
@@SynthDad Also, I see there's also a UC44. Looks very similar to the MX12, but 16 channels. Have you checked that out? Is it the same basic functionality, or...?
I have a question for you SynthDad. Something makes me confused about midi controller features. I plan to buy one for my deluge and it is a dilemma.
If I understand well, the MX12 has templates that you could use for example for different songs on the deluge. But if in template 1 my knob is set to MAX CC VALUE, and I jump to template 2, where that knob is set to a lower value than MAX CC VALUE, I can't increase anymore the value? Endless knobs solve this but is there something else that could solve it?
So is it better to buy a cheaper controller with endless knob/fader, like the UC4 Faderfox, or a controller with more knobs but tricky template's jump, like the MX12?
Thanks, and keep going with your channel, as long as you enjoy it! Great videos!
You should think about Patreon, unless you already did and I didn't find it.
Thanks for the kind words Victor! The problem you describe is common to all MIDI controller that don’t have feedback from the device they control - what to do if the value of the CC has change from what the knob shows. One workaround is how the controller will have to ‘pickup’ the new value before it sends a value to the device. In the MX12 and EC4 controllers this is called ‘snap’ mode, and you have to move the controller to pickup the new value before it will start to send any MIDI data. Also, if you press the red shift button while turning a controller it will suppress sending MIDI data until you release the red button, allowing you to fine tune it when switching templates. That’s the best I can think of for you!
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Thx dad
I just got my mx12. Im in way over my head here haha I can get it to work. Im trying to control the master volume of a track on my deluge via usb with a slider on the mx12. Im pressing the red button and the encoder on mx12 and the 'learn'-led flashes. I move slider 1. But when I go into shift+master and then hold the learn button and move the mx12 slider at the same time like you do in the video, nothing happens. No "learned" message on the deluge appears. any idea what Im doing wrong here? :/
It works fine with a midicable, bit should work only with usb also right?
It should work. Does the Deluge flash “midi” when you turn it on with the MX12 plugged in? Is the MX12 powered directly or via the Deluge?
@@SynthDad Its powered by the deluge, but I dont think it flashes midi when turned on. Have to check when I get home!
If you use a USB controller, you have to power the deluge by its power cable, then the Deluge should show midi on startup, if the cables are plugged in before powering.
where in Ireland are you
Dublin, you?
Those sibilants are drilling my ear drum.
Thankssss for the feedbackssss
How different is this from a PC12
They're both built on the same architecture; the PC12 is 6 rows of 12 knobs and this is two rows of knobs and a row of faders. I have both and they work together perfectly.
Hi Very interesting! I also have the same gear so would you be interested to share the Zoia and Deluge setups?
For the Deluge I set up some drum and synth tracks and then learned the MIDI controls to it one by one. On the Zoia I starred the patch parameters I wanted to control, then pressed Shift-Star to select the MIDI CC for each parameter.
@@SynthDad I found these wonderful manual resources from the Synthdawg.com bookstore ao one where Deluge and Zoia are connected
does it support NRPN?
I think so, but I haven’t tested it. You can set a knob to send MSB/LSB 14 bit values
I have three Faderfox UC-44. They have become indispensible for my live and studio work
They really are great controllers!
@@SynthDad indeed and Mathias from Faderfox is really cool bloke - awesome support.
MIDI FROM ABLETON TO XR18 FOR DELAY
I don’t understand what you’re asking?
@@SynthDadI WANT TO RECIVE MIDI FROM ABLETON TO XR18 FOR DELAY TAP TO NOT HAVE BE ADJUSTED
My head hurts.
Maybe a sit down and a nice cup of tea will help?
Why is this thing so expensive?!
Because it’s so well made
Looks like a nice controller.
But very overpriced for a midi controller.
Well like everything in life you get what you pay for and quality does cost more
small screen sucks
Small screen on what?
I am so torn between this and a pc12 for controlling some softsynths
If you want to control volume level then the MX12 is better as it has the faders, which I think are more logical for track volumes