@@hahdakdahkdhalsla Oh? And how would you describe killing almost 50,000 people, half of them children, carpet bombing every single hospital and every single university in a country that you invaded? How else do you think that can be described? Idiot.
Appeasement, weakness, and indecisiveness invites the aggression. The US, NATO, and the European Union are rich and far from weak, but the bureaucratic infighting has emboldened Moscow.
History is not real enough. We have to experience directly the horrors that humanity is capable of before we are sufficiently fatigued or moved to respond and find solutions. - hence the endless cycle
U r right!we forget the past or overlook! We forget ww1 ww2!and the millions that could have lived that didn't I personally don't overlook history of mankind!that we now have through social media
After the end of the West’s invasion of Iraq, although Baghdad does have a government, it is fully dependent on Western aid and ‘advice’. Readers are invited to further check out how Iraq’s oil resources are exploited today, and who benefits from it. The Web provides much information. Jordan has always remained a Western-aided state, including long-standing defence cooperation ties with NATO. Qatar hosts the largest US base in West Asia. Lebanon, one-time financial centre of modern West Asia, is now a broken economy and kept afloat by Saudi and African (also South Asian?) black money. Former coloniser France also maintains an economic grip. Egypt, which straddles Africa and West Asia, is an impoverished state similar to Jordan, the only difference being that Amman hosts a West-backed monarchy while Cairo hosts a West-backed military dictatorship
@@Benedirspot on…we bribe Israel’s neighbors with cash and legitimacy to their dictators. We give Israel roughly 3 billion annually. We give the Palestinians maybe half of that. We give Jordan and Egypt a ton of cash too. All in all we probably give around 8 billions dollars annually to Israeli related issues. Crazy they still hate each other.
Trump is an idiot. I fail to understand why Americans have elected a criminal like Trump to lead as the president of the US. He has lied to the Americans so many times, and yet they trust him.
There is no war, so how can Trump declare war on an issue that does not even deserve to be called controversial? The evidence is his refusal to intervene militarily in Ukraine so as not to drag the country to destruction, so what about his NATO allies like Canada..?
There is no war, so how can Trump declare war on an issue that does not even deserve to be called controversial? The evidence is his refusal to intervene militarily in Ukraine so as not to drag the country to destruction, so what about his NATO allies like Canada..?
The evidence is his refusal to intervene militarily in Ukraine so as not to drag the country to destruction, so what about his NATO allies like Canada..?
The Quakers taught me that the general concept of "peace" is passive, in other words just the absence of conflict. If people generally, educators, administrators & politicians viewed "peace" as dynamic, needing as much effort to resolve as conflict but more positive overall, then the human race might start making progress.
" Isreal and Taiwan are bases of operation for Imperialism by United States in Asia. They created Isreal for the Arabs and Taiwan for us. They both have the same objective." Mao Zedong
We had warriors from the beginning!we are the most dangerous animal on earth! We can have compassion sometimes but the opposite Is still strong in our brains! We do evolve at slower pace Today we are at wars over what we v invented!! Tribes, clans,national boundaries, Languages! What we didn't construct are races,physical differences, They happened as we migrated to colonize the world
add on at 16:35 not mention most of our current problems came from these 5 countries. if we cannot stop this madness then maybe we deserved what might come
Outside the United Nations, there is a tightly-knit and powerful military alliance, NATO, and a tightly-knit G7 led by NATO countries. This is the main reason why it is difficult for the United Nations to promote reform. These two organizations follow absolute double standards and are based on their own interests.
Bro they should care about themselves, why do Europeans or anyone else need to care, does anyone care about Russia and Ukraine outside the continent. Why do they need to seek validity from anyone if two willing parties are killing themselves
Intention of governmental increase military spending focuses on defense of its maintaince of integrity of national sovereignty against external opposition. Hope is national leaders realize a good defense is demonstrated by a hardy offense is relative; thus, hardly does it mean a military defense necessitate a vigorous offensive ability.
War need military supplies. Arm trade /purchases cost a lot of money and this trade/supply of arms can be reduce with less money going to (weaker economy) in aggressive countries .There are 2 ways 2 do this which are to reduce the money these countries collect through export (reduce your supplies purchase which you are seeing with RUS and CHIN) and through stoping the production or selling of drugs/narcotics. Of course this guest is right about thirst for political power and land and resources grabs.
War need military supplies. Arm trade /purchases cost a lot of money and this trade/supply of arms can be reduce with less money going to (weaker economy) aggressive countries .There are 2 ways 2 do this which are to reduce the money going to these countries which include reducing their economic power through import (reduce your supplies purchase which you are seeing with RUS and CHIN) and through stoping the production or selling of drugs/narcotics which bring in a lot of money (ie M.E . Groups)Of course this guest is right about thirst for political power and land and resources grabs. Finally ,this guest is right about the climate change is the biggest world problem /defining moment now than what going on in ME ( which is more about regional problem where IRAN aim to be regional power)
Starts by saying the wars never really ended after ww2. Ended by saying erosion of norms after Iraq lmao. Just say you blame only the US could’ve saved time.
28:33 I totally concur with this argument. This will be the best usage of every nations’ funding-wealthy nations will to pay for their exploitation of the 19th and 20th century-as this will be the best investment in future generations. It’s a political win for those involved. Lastly this has the potential for radical redesigns and new designs for Urban, Suburban, and Rural areas. Land usage will be vital for success.
The privilege classes need midwives to deliver their children. Hebrews people do not need midwives so Pharaoh of Egypt see there are low birth rates is ruling class is privilege class has low birth rates. And the poor people do not need midwives to deliver babies in bible book so Hebrews Jews do not need midwives in bible book
He is coming..💥🤺 💯💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🎯 THE COMING OF IMAAM AL-MEHDI (AS) & THE NAMES. HE IS FROM BOTH IMAAM HASSAN'S & IMAAM HUSSAIN'S FAMILY. THE BLOOD LINE OF OUR BELOVED PROPHET MOHUMMAD (SAWS) TO HIS DAUGHTER FATIMA (RA) TO IMAAM HASSAN (RA) & IMAAM HUSSAIN (RA). His name will be same as my name...? 1). Habib Ullah = Beloved/Friend of Allah (SAWT). 2). Ahmed = Highly Praised or One Who Constantly Thanks Allah (SAWT). 3). Alamin = The Trusted One. 4). Mohummad (SAWS) = Praiseworthy. His Father's name will be same as my Father's name..? 1). Khalil Ullah = Friend of Allah (SAWT). 2). Abdullah = Servant of Allah (SAWT). 3). Abraham (AS) = Father of Many/All Mankind. His Mother's name will be same as my Mothers name..? 1).ʾAmīna =:devoted, honest, straightforward, trusty, worth of belief (believable), loyal, faithful, obedient of Iman. One needs to research, analyse & have the knowledge & understanding to understand the statement made by Our Prophet Mohummad (SAWS). It is the "Characteristic Names" in both cases..💯🎯. "His name will be same as my name...?". "His Father's name will be same as my Father's name..?". Why did not our beloved prophet (saws) say directly: Mohummad & Abdullah...? Here the statement has a hidden message, without analysing the statement made by "Our Beloved Prophet Mohummad (SAWS)", one can not & will not really understand the real meaning & the statement made. One thing for sure.. it is not Mohummad Ib'ne Abdullah. Transformation will happen & take place in one night.. Knowledge & Wisdom will be given as stated in Hadith.. He is not born as an Arab.. His ancestors were Arabian & from Arab Land.. His ancestors moved to The Eastern Lands.. Moved to Sindh & Hindh (Afganistan.. Bangladesh.. India.. Myanmar & Pakistan) but "The Blood" & "The Religious Beliefs" remains the same. 🤲☝💯 Here again.. we need to recall the statement made by our beloved prophet Mohummad (saws) when he pointed twice towards the direction "EAST". Once East = East. Twice East = Far East. By analysing this statement.. From Mecca the direction Eastwards brings you to now called: 🇦🇫Afghanistan.. 🇵🇰Pakistan.. 🇮🇳India 🇧🇩Bangladesh.. 🇲🇲Myanmar.. 🇲🇾Malaysia.. 🇮🇩Indonesia. (Once East = Asia) - (Twice East = Far East Asia)..BINGO - JACKPOT. During the time of our beloved prophet Muhammad (saws) this whole area had only two names.. First Pointing of the direction East was/is Hindh.. Hindus. Second Pointing of the direction East = Far East was/is Sindh.. Buddhists. The Imam is not in Middle East/Arabia. The Imaam is somewhere in "......................" ?. I will let you decide and guess where the Imaam is.. use all your knowledge and the information provided above, now do your research and calculations to come to a single and direct conclusion/outcome. As in one opinion without any dispute nor any doubt or misunderstanding with no miscalculation. 💯☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝🎯
Calling my president (President Donald J. Trump) a "transactionist" is beyond reproachable. We spend the highest amount in the world by percentage of GDP to protect Europe and other countries, while our veterans suffer and Americans over taxed. Is it too much to ask those who we send our troops and weapons to protect pay their dues?
The biggest war is the Russo-Ukrainian War and they're both Slavic Orthodox Christians. The proxy wars backed by the US have nothing to do with religion, so I'm not sure what point you thought you were making.
When the great war comes no one will survive it rich or poor no where to hide. Greed will lead to the demise of mankind. sad
Have you ever heard of bunkers 😎 dude?
@kingdomfinance46 have you ? Did anyone in them survive ? Even fallout games make fun of them 😅
@kingdomfinance46: no one in a bunker can survive a nuclear strike.
Exactly: Politics and diplomacy failing. No just systems. No enforced international laws.
Technically international law is just a strong suggestion. There are no international military police, just the UN force if voted on and used.
@brenkelly8163 Actually Interpol should have such a function. It's high time for reforms. Suggestions don't suffice.
@Velvetwave-n9o To plant trees is certainly a good thing. However there are evil people out there who even target olive trees.
Of course an Indian would not call the genocide in Gaza as such.
because it is not a genocide.
You are not indian, india stand with Palestine.
Responding to racism with more racism? Do you think that's smart?
@@hahdakdahkdhalsla Oh? And how would you describe killing almost 50,000 people, half of them children, carpet bombing every single hospital and every single university in a country that you invaded? How else do you think that can be described? Idiot.
@@Feelthefx Don't be daft.
Such horrors cannot be disturbing when the world knows who stands to benefit out of such senseless wars especially in developing countries
Our international institutions need reforms, not only protection.
@Cantinespirituel Thank you again. ❤
Weakness invites aggression That is what has happened It will continue People are animals governed by Human Nature Unfortunate but a Fact
Appeasement, weakness, and indecisiveness invites the aggression. The US, NATO, and the European Union are rich and far from weak, but the bureaucratic infighting has emboldened Moscow.
Shame on all politicians and world leaders who choose war instead of peace!
History is not real enough. We have to experience directly the horrors that humanity is capable of before we are sufficiently fatigued or moved to respond and find solutions. - hence the endless cycle
U r right!we forget the past or overlook!
We forget ww1 ww2!and the millions that could have lived that didn't
I personally don't overlook history of mankind!that we now have through social media
We never learn from our past, and we keep repeating the same mistakes our predecessors made.
Very-well said- and scary.
After the end of the West’s invasion of Iraq, although Baghdad does have a government, it is fully dependent on Western aid and ‘advice’. Readers are invited to further check out how Iraq’s oil resources are exploited today, and who benefits from it. The Web provides much information.
Jordan has always remained a Western-aided state, including long-standing defence cooperation ties with NATO. Qatar hosts the largest US base in West Asia. Lebanon, one-time financial centre of modern West Asia, is now a broken economy and kept afloat by Saudi and African (also South Asian?) black money. Former coloniser France also maintains an economic grip.
Egypt, which straddles Africa and West Asia, is an impoverished state similar to Jordan, the only difference being that Amman hosts a West-backed monarchy while Cairo hosts a West-backed military dictatorship
Egypt Jordan get help from west!!
To keep extremist away and I guess to keep israel from having many enemies!!
@@Benedirspot on…we bribe Israel’s neighbors with cash and legitimacy to their dictators. We give Israel roughly 3 billion annually. We give the Palestinians maybe half of that. We give Jordan and Egypt a ton of cash too.
All in all we probably give around 8 billions dollars annually to Israeli related issues. Crazy they still hate each other.
I will make Canada & Greenland great again ~ Donald Trump
@@newphaze-gz2kf 1938 German leader said same things about Poland and Austria...
Trump is an idiot. I fail to understand why Americans have elected a criminal like Trump to lead as the president of the US. He has lied to the Americans so many times, and yet they trust him.
Canada and Mexico to join BRICS - Down with the trading USA Dollar
@@kevincurry1738 I agree. Canada & Mexico don't need the US. It's high time they start getting other world markets.
Tell criminal Trump to care of the Americans. How many homeless and hungry children is he going to allow before resolving this for the Americans.
If you look for war you will get war and similarly if you look for peace you'll find peace.
Nazis is now claiming to be Sionists. Nazism in the West explains everything. Use your brain.
Whenever the world population increases it common for Wars and Conflicts to rise as well. 😮🎉
More people, more wars... Even when all of planet Earth had less than 1 Billion humans, they still had war.
Great discussion 👍🏼
thanks to america. raging wars in whole world
Nice one donut,
US does not start wars and without the US you would be under shria or communism law.
They can’t agree on Genocide, so it all depends on who wins & they get to choose
Uganda &all we Africans, should also wake up to realize that peace comes to The strong, let everyone learn that the weak leaves on Mercy of the strong
Blame the USA and NATO, for the arms increase and wars
No I blame the Arab world especially Iran and Syria and Yemen and Isis and Alqeida who don't understand the word "PEACE"
@@markconway3481 let's face it: everyone is to blame. it's time for folks to take a chill pill.
@@magicjuandYes fair comment 😊
Blame the USA and NATO for fighting back and not being idle spectators?
We are big chillin and not at war. 😂
Very informative people. I agreed that we are much closer to genuine disintegration of international system.
Assymmetry of power is inevitably destabilising systems in the long run.
There is no war, so how can Trump declare war on an issue that does not even deserve to be called controversial? The evidence is his refusal to intervene militarily in Ukraine so as not to drag the country to destruction, so what about his NATO allies like Canada..?
There is no war, so how can Trump declare war on an issue that does not even deserve to be called controversial? The evidence is his refusal to intervene militarily in Ukraine so as not to drag the country to destruction, so what about his NATO allies like Canada..?
The evidence is his refusal to intervene militarily in Ukraine so as not to drag the country to destruction, so what about his NATO allies like Canada..?
What a great, realistic discussion around the limitations of humanity itself. All very sad, but true.
لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
میرے نبی ﷺ سا ہے ای کوئی نہیں
تیرے کفریات بکنے والے بابے تے شے ای کوئی نی
NO THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND THATS YAWEH 🙏
Do you a man called ubert angel?
بسم الله ثم الصلات والسلام علي جميع انبياو المر سلين. هناك ما في خوف الدين هو يلعب معهم.
War is inevitable.
Peace and war are cyclic
Excellent discussion!
The Quakers taught me that the general concept of "peace" is passive, in other words just the absence of conflict. If people generally, educators, administrators & politicians viewed "peace" as dynamic, needing as much effort to resolve as conflict but more positive overall, then the human race might start making progress.
may Allah bring peace ✌️ All over the world 🌍 all the time Amen
How many more do you want? The world is in way too many wars and shows no signs of letting up. How's that?
Thank you. 🙏 IS❤
All because United Nation has failed to solve the world disputes, the oldest one is Kashmir and Palestine issue.
Pakistan and Islam are the cause. Beggars cannot be choosers.
At the rate we are going, I don't see how humanity has more than few years left.
Ngazi gcina nini izindaba ze al Jazeera 💖 ngiyaqala ukuzibuka kulonyaka ka 2025
It's a wonderful story people should take extra care
" Isreal and Taiwan are bases of operation for Imperialism by United States in Asia. They created Isreal for the Arabs and Taiwan for us. They both have the same objective."
Mao Zedong
Yes. 👍
We had warriors from the beginning!we are the most dangerous animal on earth!
We can have compassion sometimes but the opposite
Is still strong in our brains!
We do evolve at slower pace
Today we are at wars over what we v invented!!
Tribes, clans,national boundaries,
Languages!
What we didn't construct are races,physical differences,
They happened as we migrated to colonize the world
add on at 16:35 not mention most of our current problems came from these 5 countries.
if we cannot stop this madness then maybe we deserved what might come
democracy must be protected at all cost
What about ethiopia mother and children
Outside the United Nations, there is a tightly-knit and powerful military alliance, NATO, and a tightly-knit G7 led by NATO countries. This is the main reason why it is difficult for the United Nations to promote reform. These two organizations follow absolute double standards and are based on their own interests.
WWII the sequel wasn't as good as the first one
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were enough but Gaza and the West bank are not?
"if you wanted to make more money, you'd put it all in Nvidia stock" made me lol
WOE 😬
Great research, finally on Al Jazeera, by the most of opinions was decided that there is no genocide in Gaza.
Like!
Stupid thing to say and it wont increase because of gaza
Downhill of modern era. 2025 is the year between China & Taiwan
One thing remains the same. No one cares about war in Africa.
Bro they should care about themselves, why do Europeans or anyone else need to care, does anyone care about Russia and Ukraine outside the continent. Why do they need to seek validity from anyone if two willing parties are killing themselves
Intention of governmental increase military spending focuses on defense of its maintaince of integrity of
national sovereignty against external opposition. Hope is national leaders realize a good defense is demonstrated by a hardy offense is relative; thus, hardly does it mean a military defense necessitate a vigorous offensive ability.
B roll of Putin meeting with Kim Jong Un for no apparent reason lmao
It's flawed, but it's all we have😢
In other news water is wet
Clauzwitch quote is the inside story moto
Why always interview 2 or 4 people at the same time. You never have enough time. And guests are cut off mid-sentence.
You are also Imran Khan 🇵🇰
What about Canada their pretty peaceful
How is Russia "global south"?
The same way Australia is "global north"
EU vs Russia. EU vs US. End of the EU. Guys, sell what you have and move maybe to Argentina or???
trump did not raise European military spending, putin did.
Very familiar name 😮
The world aging like stale milk
War need military supplies. Arm trade /purchases cost a lot of money and this trade/supply of arms can be reduce with less money going to (weaker economy) in aggressive countries .There are 2 ways 2 do this which are to reduce the money these countries collect through export (reduce your supplies purchase which you are seeing with RUS and CHIN) and through stoping the production or selling of drugs/narcotics. Of course this guest is right about thirst for political power and land and resources grabs.
War need military supplies. Arm trade /purchases cost a lot of money and this trade/supply of arms can be reduce with less money going to (weaker economy) aggressive countries .There are 2 ways 2 do this which are to reduce the money going to these countries which include reducing their economic power through import (reduce your supplies purchase which you are seeing with RUS and CHIN) and through stoping the production or selling of drugs/narcotics which bring in a lot of money (ie M.E . Groups)Of course this guest is right about thirst for political power and land and resources grabs. Finally ,this guest is right about the climate change is the biggest world problem /defining moment now than what going on in ME ( which is more about regional problem where IRAN aim to be regional power)
Vlad and kim, up there short-kings of world history
Everyday is a New Year day in Gaza. 😂
All Zionist supporters monsters think exactly the same way, worthless ones.
Nobody loves you
Is it true Pakistan declared war on Afghanistan?
Ukraine is more important than Gaza
Ukraine has a larger economy and more people, but the Russo-Ukrainian War isn't as "one-sided" as the War in Gaza.
Starts by saying the wars never really ended after ww2. Ended by saying erosion of norms after Iraq lmao. Just say you blame only the US could’ve saved time.
qatar must pay for its security , cfh securing qatar security for far to long , pay up
Yes Afghanistan and Pakistan now Pakistan ejected a million.
28:33 I totally concur with this argument. This will be the best usage of every nations’ funding-wealthy nations will to pay for their exploitation of the 19th and 20th century-as this will be the best investment in future generations. It’s a political win for those involved. Lastly this has the potential for radical redesigns and new designs for Urban, Suburban, and Rural areas. Land usage will be vital for success.
Sorry
E U fight against terrorism but why not support USA president putting hamas terrorism instead saying Israel killing . Why?.
😢
Ukraine way to go .
All thanks to USA
Terrible
The privilege classes need midwives to deliver their children.
Hebrews people do not need midwives so Pharaoh of Egypt see there are low birth rates is ruling class is privilege class has low birth rates. And the poor people do not need midwives to deliver babies in bible book so Hebrews Jews do not need midwives in bible book
🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳💥💥💣💣💣
All this talk of war and its the US and Russia grabbing land left and right 😂😂 so much for fear of china lol
Canada and Mexico to join BRICS
Dream on….We swear loyalty to the British royalty so we have more common with EU.
WW3 started long time ago 😂
He is coming..💥🤺
💯💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🤺💥🎯
THE COMING OF IMAAM AL-MEHDI (AS) & THE NAMES.
HE IS FROM BOTH IMAAM HASSAN'S & IMAAM HUSSAIN'S FAMILY.
THE BLOOD LINE OF OUR BELOVED PROPHET MOHUMMAD (SAWS) TO HIS DAUGHTER FATIMA (RA) TO IMAAM HASSAN (RA) & IMAAM HUSSAIN (RA).
His name will be same as my name...?
1). Habib Ullah = Beloved/Friend of Allah (SAWT).
2). Ahmed = Highly Praised or One Who Constantly Thanks Allah (SAWT).
3). Alamin = The Trusted One.
4). Mohummad (SAWS) = Praiseworthy.
His Father's name will be same as my Father's name..?
1). Khalil Ullah = Friend of Allah (SAWT).
2). Abdullah = Servant of Allah (SAWT).
3). Abraham (AS) = Father of Many/All Mankind.
His Mother's name will be same as my Mothers name..?
1).ʾAmīna =:devoted, honest, straightforward, trusty, worth of belief (believable), loyal, faithful, obedient of Iman.
One needs to research, analyse & have the knowledge & understanding to understand the statement made by Our Prophet Mohummad (SAWS).
It is the "Characteristic Names" in both cases..💯🎯.
"His name will be same as my name...?".
"His Father's name will be same as my Father's name..?".
Why did not our beloved prophet (saws) say directly: Mohummad & Abdullah...?
Here the statement has a hidden message, without analysing the statement made by "Our Beloved Prophet Mohummad (SAWS)", one can not & will not really understand the real meaning & the statement made.
One thing for sure.. it is not Mohummad Ib'ne Abdullah.
Transformation will happen & take place in one night..
Knowledge & Wisdom will be given as stated in Hadith..
He is not born as an Arab.. His ancestors were Arabian & from Arab Land..
His ancestors moved to The Eastern Lands.. Moved to Sindh & Hindh (Afganistan.. Bangladesh.. India.. Myanmar & Pakistan) but "The Blood" & "The Religious Beliefs" remains the same.
🤲☝💯
Here again.. we need to recall the statement made by our beloved prophet Mohummad (saws) when he pointed twice towards the direction "EAST".
Once East = East.
Twice East = Far East.
By analysing this statement..
From Mecca the direction Eastwards brings you to now called:
🇦🇫Afghanistan.. 🇵🇰Pakistan.. 🇮🇳India
🇧🇩Bangladesh.. 🇲🇲Myanmar..
🇲🇾Malaysia.. 🇮🇩Indonesia.
(Once East = Asia) - (Twice East = Far East Asia)..BINGO - JACKPOT.
During the time of our beloved prophet Muhammad (saws) this whole area had only two names..
First Pointing of the direction East was/is Hindh.. Hindus.
Second Pointing of the direction East = Far East was/is Sindh.. Buddhists.
The Imam is not in Middle East/Arabia.
The Imaam is somewhere in "......................" ?.
I will let you decide and guess where the Imaam is.. use all your knowledge and the information provided above, now do your research and calculations to come to a single and direct conclusion/outcome. As in one opinion without any dispute nor any doubt or misunderstanding with no miscalculation.
💯☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝🎯
Calling my president (President Donald J. Trump) a "transactionist" is beyond reproachable. We spend the highest amount in the world by percentage of GDP to protect Europe and other countries, while our veterans suffer and Americans over taxed. Is it too much to ask those who we send our troops and weapons to protect pay their dues?
What about brown people
You can’t compare Gaza to the holocaust that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard
❤
Not really, just the muslim ones😅
The biggest war is the Russo-Ukrainian War and they're both Slavic Orthodox Christians. The proxy wars backed by the US have nothing to do with religion, so I'm not sure what point you thought you were making.