Tory Humiliated By British Palestinian MP AND Audience On BBC Question Time
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As a South African, I can tell you the language, the stance etc.... Is exactly the same used to justify apartheid
...pants on fire!😂😂😂
This is far worse than apartheid,this is genocide.
They called Mandela a terrorist it was not until 2008 or 2012 that he was removed for the terrorist list
Really? And your evidence is.....
Settler-colonialist propoganda is strong.
Since when did the OPPRESSOR have the right to defend???
Exactly. That argument has lost steam and is being exposed.
Since western logic equals to worse and worse logic.
And yet Hamas claims that right for itself!
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Silly me for not coming to that conclusion...
I am so stupid...
One of the biggest mistakes people keep making regarding this ridiculous conflict is calling it a "war".
It's not a war? I think it is. Those that don't think it is is because they're side are losing
I know right, Gaza and the occupation, is like David and Goliath
So what would you call it? Hamas broke the cease fire on oct 7th, knowing full well it would lead to retalliation or war.
buddy idf has already broken the cease fire by shooting unarmed kids wayy before oct 7th stop lying @@MrRetlahcub
War is state against state. This is an oppressed group fighting for freedom. Apartheid style like in South Africa. Am from south africa
Everytime I hear "right to defend itself" I roll my eyes. This phrase has no meaning anymore.
NO meaning to you maybe.. 1400 Israeli citizens and their devastated relatives mostly share another view. I wonder how you'd feel if yourself or your relatives encountered a similar fate...?
Wow how was she allowed to carry on talking
The ignorance & denial of Israel supporters i would never have believed as I keep hearing
@@hj1963 Given the number of Palestinians slaughtered and/or gravely injured (over 20,000 in the last 12 years, not counting the current genocidal war) I wonder how YOU'D feel if you were a Palestinian.
@@hj1963 mmm nope most of those people were killed by Israeli helicopters. And 1200 of the 1400 that were killed were active duty military NOT civilians.
As soon as they say "Israel has the right to defend itself" you know she's about to come out with some one-sided bullshit
Do nations not have a right to defend themselves
So true.. 😅🙏
@@jds614 don't be intentionally dense. This phrase is being used to defend Israel's use of disproportionate retaliation and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians.
@@jds614, 😅 wow.. So we have to explain it to you like a child.. OK.. Here goes.... NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BOMB INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO OCCUPY ANOTHER'S LAND. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO GO AGAINST INTERNATIONAL LAW AND MURDER ENTIRE FAMILIES BY INDISCRIMINATE BOMBING. AND NO NATION SHOULD BE FORCED TO LIVE UNDER BRUTAL OCCUPATION, APARTHEID, SEIGE AND BE TERRORISED ON A DAILY BASIS, FROM HAVING TO WATCH THEIR HOMES DEMOLISHED, THEIR HOSPITALS BOMBED, THEIR REFUGEE AND UN 'PROTECTED' AREAS BOMBED. Educate yourself on what self defence actually is.
@@jds614is it self defence if they abuse Palestinians day and daily for years and a small group of them decide they've had enough and respond? Youd have to be routing for the bullies of the world if you're on the side of poor little Israel after everything else theyve done.
Esther McVey's lack of intelligence and depth of understanding is an embarrassment. I don't know how she had the gall to go on Question Time and think she was well informed enough to contribute anything useful.
Same as that Dorries. Unbelievable that they’re from Liverpool. They’re an embarrassment.
I know....minister for common sense 😅😂😅😂
Politics! Politics! Politics! This is not the time for Politics! This is the time for us to get together to stop this crisis at once that is not only killing and torturing a people & destroying their small country but also killing us all morally in the knowledge that while the rest of us are able to walk in the streets, go shopping for food, eat, drink, wash, sleep without fear, etc etc we cannot stop thinking about how this people are suffering and how this has been allowed to carry on.
So many double standards
The hypocrisy is overwhelming and outright sick.
Exactly!
With Muslims in Britain,yes!
Yes unbelieveable
Isn’t she in prison yet after PPE fraud?
Does she have immunity in her position?
She and the REST must be detained indefinitely for robbing the nation with their scam
@@cathjj840she is one of many.
Baroness mone is the worst crook,she's made so many millions out of the covid crisis..
...nope...we don't live in a dictatorship..don't know about your country of origin though.😊
The awareness and sentiments from common people is the source of light and hope.
What has Israel got inside US and Britain that we are afraid to call Israel out on anything they do?
Israel lobby biggest lobby that influences political leaders
Epstein
The total control of the Middle East!
@@lunadz81 Sam can be asked why special rules are employed for the lack of parking enforcement at Friday Prayers and Ramadaan. Why MPs will turn up for a photoshoot to break the fast, at Ramadaan, but will tell other constiuents they are too busy even if it is a life and death situation or in the public intrest, but not in thier political career! MP for East Leicester take note!
I'm afraid Ester is very limited intelectually so her arguments have no gravity . Also she's 100% biased for Israel.
Like Layla Moran and the BBC being pro Palestine!
Asking citizens to "Leave" their Homeland" by an opposing country because there will be Military action IS Illegal under International Law.
So what?
@@waltersobchak1719 hasbara troll
@@waltersobchak1719holocaust baby you need another one so what¿
ISrael doesn't care about 'international law'... after all, it's 'goyim' law... and as such not intended for god's 'chosen ones'... 😕
@@waltersobchak1719 There speaks the voice of an Israeli.
Not one of these British politicians can speak the truth ffs 🤦♂️ disgusting 🤮
Born into privelege or aspire to be in it, they have a disease of self obsession. I live in the south and a large portion of people are like it. Money buys self image and the safety and security to enjoy it. But peel away the layers and they are vile, cruel, violent people.
Are you saying that Layla Moran is lying? if anything here is disgusting then it is your total ignorance.
They have been bought out ...sold there souls
I'm boycotting anything to do with JEWS (Israel). 🇮🇳🇬🇧
@micksingh6711 bless you my brother
Brilliant analysis & coverage as usual-thank you 🕯️
The hypocrisy and apartheid view of this whole situation is truly unbelievable. Michael, you hit the nail painfully on the head.
What apartheid?
@@MRW515 the westbank and the gaza strip, controlling what goes in and out
If u want Hamas gone then so should Netanyahu n his occupation policies
The ENTIRE Israeli cabinet needs to go.
And what about the leaders of Hamas? Are they conducive to peace?
Ex-Israli pm said get rid of Hamas then Bibi
Israel is NOT an occupier. Learn some history.
@@Ritawaltersssss😂😂😂😂
As a Minister, she should be aware that there is no right of self defense in law for an occupying force.
True! 👍👏👏👏👏👏
UN majority views Israel as a legitimate state...there are valid reasons to be annoyed at that, but it is the only valid framework so they do have the right
@@nihilistlivesmatterAs if the UN are a great authority 🙄
@@nas84payne I agree they are a lousy outfit..but unless you defer to the US's might is right hegemony it's all there is.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings
@@nihilistlivesmatter This is indeed correct. Israel is a legitimate state, Palestine is not in the eyes of the UK. In fact, the State of Palestine recognized Israel as part of the Oslo Accords in 1993
What about the Palestinian children in the Israeli jails. This is a war crime .
The only good thing out of all of this is people are seeing how crimes are being committed using £$.
I kind of broke today because of this war. I will never forgive Israel.
Never mind. You’ll get over it. Or not🤷♂️
Look after yourself please. Practice some meditation and self care. It's important to speak up for oppressed people of course.
@@sohaila6086 thanks :-)
i will never forgive Hamas ,, but you could always go and live in Gaza to be near the people you love
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Israel does not have the right of self defence as its occupying Palestine
Palestine on the other hand has the right of self defence just as france did while being occupied by German during WW2
Israel has the right to self defence of its people.
@@dave4728 As Israel is an illegal occupier of Palestine it is the aggressor so is not defending anyone
Simple facts seem to escape you
Israel left Gaza in 2005, it is NOT an occupied territory. Do some research and stop spouting this left-wing propaganda.
Palestine has never been a real country, so how is Israel occupying it?
But Israel left Gaza and effectively said, govern your self. The world then poured billions into Gaza. Did the Gazan authorities set about building a better life for Gazans? Or did they continue with their obsession to destroy Israel? 500km of tunnels is a clear answer. Today the first problem and oppressor is Hamas.
David Adler totally nailed it!! Please invite him back. Thank you for what you do Michael 🙏🏼
Is the water in the UK that some people drink spiked or something? That blondie surely had too much of it.
An occupier has no right to defend itself as well as every Palestinians has the right to hate it's occupier...
There’s only one State there called Israel.
For A to occupy B the B needs to exist otherwise is A occupying A.
I'm boycotting anything to do with JEWS (Israel). 🇮🇳🇬🇧
@alexarthur9088 at least you can read it more than once hay. 🤣🤣🤣
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🇵🇸💪🏽🙏🏽💯. 🇮🇳🇬🇧
@alexarthur9088 That question is for you to answer.
@@micksingh6711What have you been buying that was from Israel?
Israel isn't defending itself, its clearing land to expand Israel geographically. When this latest conflict ends the map will look very different than before.
Could look something like the map Netanyahu recently presented at the UN, no?
Belgurian canal
Yup
Exactly
The Lebensraum motivation did not work in the not too distant past
That blonde needs to educate herself. She thinks Israel is dropping flowers from the F15 ?
100% spot on analysis Michael Walker! Bravo!
Our politicians have the moral backbones of jellyfish.
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No jellyfish ever told a lie!
@@rais1953 no jellyfish ever had a backbone
They simply don't care, it's all about money for them.
Lol😅😅😅😅
" Israel cannot claim the right of ‘self-defence’ under international law because Gaza is a territory which it occupies ". by Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur
No apartheid ethno-state has a 'right to exist,' including Israel
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@@sadbutterfly808you will know who’s dreaming and who’s not, everything will be paid back to you 1000 folds.
Took the words right out of my mouth! 👍
@@sadbutterfly808Your dreams may soon be shattered. 😂
@@sadbutterfly808 It was the ruling of the ICJ (International Court of Justice) in 2004 on the issue of the Palestinians in Gaza and Israeli's occupation. Frankly the ignorance displayed in your comment is astounding.
Actions speaks louder then world, no matter what Ester say her words means nothing.
8,000 children is 20+ primary schools!
As a scouser, every word from her mouth hurts my ears. She is not one of us.
As a Scouser, she makes me cringe.
@@josephobi.837hey hey hey , now then, now then.. 😮
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Calm down, calm down 😂
People like Esther McVey make me cringe as well.
Dey do dough don't dey dough? 😁
We will never forget the Genocide committed by Israel
The world is full of wicked ones and a few good human beings😢
Thank you Novara. So glad you are presenting the truth
Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?
Is Apartheid Israel not condemnable for its ethnic cleansing and genocide?
Why isn't the host not asking this minister these question?
Perhaps the host is more intelligent and can see the conflict in broader terms.
Because the host is a very right wing conservative
The BBC are all bought and paid for, all sing from the same hymn sheet and are too yellow to go against the narrative because they are more interested in the money they get paid than they are in human lives.
Apartheid you say?
The rights Arab-heritage people have in Israel are far greater than they have under Hamas in Gaza!
@@anuradhavittachi On that point today's leftwing idiology inhibits many of those on the left from a deeper understanding of what's going on just as some conservatives have shallow unhelpful ideas too. The left is far from being helpful in this current war.
Problem with western journalism is they first pick a side then they start asking qiestions 😂
Corporate media can never be independent.
@@themarkbishop even for that you don't need to pick a side.
All while pretending to be neutral and both-siding it.
@@themarkbishop when ypu pick a side and asking one sided question, then its no longer journalism, its more like inquery for the side you pick. For instance, do you condemn hamas??? specially when you first start with it. the question can be originated from the conversation but it should not be a starting question.
@@nohandler1493 corporate media only brainwashes so as to sell products and political agenda
thank you for being a constant voice of reason Novara, we need to know what is happening so we can keep fighting ✊🇵🇸
THE FACT that government has Minister for Common sense shows how reduculious they are.
Am sick to death of:
Do you Condemning hamas?
Israel have the right to defend themselves!!!
It's a horrible lie that IL is pushing down the worlds throat, it's disgusting what the Hasbara is promoting with their propaganda, any state that continues to stand behind these terrorists (IL) are complicit in all the deaths. They are as such as wrong and sick as the murderers themselves.
No they don't its an occupying force 😂😂
Me too I hate these questions🤮
..and me
It’s the same shit on different names as has always been the case. Coming from Northern Ireland everyone had to condemn terrorism from the republican side, the loyalist sides terrorism was never asked to be condemned and then state sponsored terrorism like Bloody Sunday gets whitewashed and is seen as the English defending themself against the IRA and to do so they murder 14 people on a peaceful civil rights march
Since when the occupier has the right to defend themselves?? And when the occupied one resist he will be called terrorist!!!!!!!!!!! What a cheos in the moralty
We Scots stand with Palestine and we Scots need independence from the criminal English establishment
Us Welsh stand with the Palestinian people. We need our independence.
Some international lawyers are saying that you can't invoke 'self defence' as a rational for bombing, when you occupy that very territory.
@@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922As an Irishman, I would recommend that wholeheartedly.
@@b62boom1 break up the UK it's the only way to govern our own country without the corrupt English establishment stealing all our money to fund England's richest
Thank you , thank you for good reporting .
Mohammed not British name
What about the Palestion Hostages, not hundreds, thousands including hundreds of children?!
When they say "Israel has the right to defend itself" they leave out "but the Palestinians don't have the right to protect themselves and their land".
When has a country had a terrorist cell and a national army fought the sovereign army? Taliban?
Israeli media and testimonies say that the IDF shoot and shelled it's own people on oct7th , testimonies from soldiers and survivors , they killed 350 people at the rave
proof ? middle east eye , haaretz ,and other reports and videos
also The Hannibal Directive of the IDF .
There is no country called "Palestine" nor has there ever been. The Palestinians could have had their own state several times over but they've said no every time.
Your getting extremely confused !! ISRAEL'S war is with HAMAS & it is in GAZA ....NOT PALESTINE ! Get your geography & facts correct !
How is killing civilians attacking HAMAS?
These people are delusional. It's like a woman being in an abusive marriage where the husband abuses her everyday and years later when she actually takes a stand, she blamed by everyone for sticking up for herself. Incase your mentally challenged, the woman in the scenario is meant to be Gaza and Ass-rael is the abusive husband.
Michael thank U much learning 🙏 ❤❤❤God Almighty bless 🙌 South Africa ❤❤❤U
"Minister for Common Sense" is the most tragically boomer Daily Mail reader thing I've ever heard.
Reminds me of Harry Potter when they started bringing in Dolores to manage Hogwarts.
They call their ministers responsible for all sorts of bizarre shit. Distracts from fact they do nothing to run the various government departments anyway.
Minister of Colonial Sense
Omg... She said hostages. We have seen an exchange of children for soilders. That is the prisoner exchange that proud isreali has enabled barbarian nation has opened its gates.
Please tell me that title's not real? Please?
Shame on this government and shame on Labour Party 😢😢😢
I’m not a Labour supporter, but I’m pretty sure Keir Starmer didn’t murder and kidnap any children on October 7th. I’m also quite sure Rishi Sunak wasn’t involved too.
I will be voting Liberal Democrats now, I forgive them for giving me a Tory government back in 2010 now. I cannot vote for Kier Starmer and I used to put my Labour sign up outside my house.
Shame on hamas, Iran!!!
@@beatinganger shame on the west, it is the Mary Shelly of the Middle East.
Our support has created the monster which will create more wars.
In the Quran and The Bible it's clear that Jesus is in heaven. But when it comes to Mohammed it's unknown what happened to him after death. So if he is in hell whoever believes him and his religion are going to hell...right. Think Muslims...
The weaker person is always the terrorist and the stronger is not in any conflict.
Unbelievable, the appointment and that she is paid to do this nonsense job!
Shame on you Britain, this did not start on the 7th Oct!!!!!!
What has this got to do with Britain? If you want to start blaming other countries for Palestinians not being able to live in peace with their neighbours you can take it right back two thousand years (or more) and blame the Romans too🤷♂️
It's nice to see the audience wasn't as ignorant
They were more ignorant than the panel
The deep ignorance of some politicians is disturbing. All they can manage are party political talking points. When people literally have nothing to say that is based on knowledge and not what's been spoonfed to them, then they ought to simply admit that are not qualified to comment.
Excellent analysis, as always.
David Adler nails it when he says Israel is betting on people getting tired of the images and videos of the atrocities and that people will forget.
I'm sick of the images and videos of the atrocities but I will never forget, nor will the world.
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Yet you have quickly forgot that Israel have never attacked its neighbours but have only ever responded to bomb and terrorist attacks which have been indiscriminate against Jews, Arabs and tourists living on Israel.
I'm boycotting anything to do with Israel. 🇮🇳🇬🇧
@@micksingh6711 same. Every $ hurts them
@@micksingh6711 you therefore wish to punish the peaceful Arabs living in Israel and those crossing into Israel to work.
Anyone still saying Israel is defending itself is deluded beyond belief.
HAHA - then I am deluded. And Islamic fundamentalists aren't?
In the Quran and The Bible it's clear that Jesus is in heaven. But when it comes to Mohammed it's unknown what happened to him after death. So if he is in hell whoever believes him and his religion are going to hell...right. Think Muslims...
They are defending themselves. But Netanyahu funded Hamas so they got to get rid of him first.
This is the picture instead of a solution to the freedom of Gazans and the Palestinians all the narrative is on the destruction of Hamas, it shows how every bl*dy politician cares about the Palestinians. All they care about is for isralie to win, and then the same tragedy for another 75 years
I agree. This is mass murder. And the US and UK governments ha e sanctioned it. Not in my name!!!
What about Palestinian hostages? Why these biased people do not talk about them? Thanks for bringing the truth out Michael.
Thanks for your show 🙏
It is really depressing when a victim becomes an oppressor. 😢
The thing that I love is the reaction of the people, the public isn't buying this bs anymore
All this mess was created by English and they still staring it for better to worst
Layla Moran is awesome, and so is the insightful commentary from David Adler. Brilliant video, thanks.
“Minister for common sense” sounds like the start of a norm mcDonald joke 😂😂😂
Of course the worst thing about Netanyahu is the hypocrisy
Imagine SNL had something smart to say 🤣
No, it's out of 1984, as in Ministry of Truth!😀
How much extra money is earned by a minister for Ha Ha common s name,?
Reminds me so much of the "common sense checklist" from the thick of it, man that show was so ahead of its time.
Fantastic parrot that lady is. Double standard again and again.
How any government can still stand by Israel is mind-boggling.
How the Left can offer the level of support to Hamas that it is, is even more mind-boggling.
@@alistair7539 exactly!
....but anti-Semitism is totally unacceptable...absolutely agree!
@@alistair7539who is offering support to Hamas?
@@alistair7539
Palestine has the right to defend itself from child killers and occupants.
Free Palestine.
an occupier killing 6000+ children cannot ever claim a right to defend itself like a burglar hasn't got a right to defend himself. such a joke
The problem is the vast majority of people, including most MP's, are not educated enough on this topic to speak from a position of authority on it.
Omg how lower can this government get
Common sense tells me they have to go ASAP NOW
Labour won't change a thing
To many labour cultistsjustas Tory cultists
Has anyone ever brought up that the Hamas attack WAS indeed an act of self-defense in itself?
The occupier doesn't have a right to self defense, according to international law. Please watch Francisca...special UN representative for Palestine
What part of Gaza was Israel occupying before October 7th?
@@waltersobchak1719The world is not fooled by Israel's divide and rule, Palestine is more than just Gaza.
@@waltersobchak1719Israel controls everything in Gaza; what goes in, what goes out.
It's an occupation.
Thank you guys for standing up for justice and doing amazing amazing job. God bless you. Free Palestine!
Don't you just love the way he;
1) Doesn't answer the questions.
2) He either...., A) Diverts the question...or... changes the question, then proceeds to answer the question *he* presented.
Any non-biased person, that is utilizing *critical logic* , would find it utterly impossible to believe that the head of any major government would not be *fully informed* about such a high level of military intelligence *(especially concerning it's most dangerous threat)* To not engage in *pre-active* actions speak volumes.
It *seems* this war was planned along time ago. *Perhaps* the real military objective is to take 100% control of Palestine.
Israel is NOT allowing aid into N Gaza. Israel has done everything that Hamas has ever done - but Israel has done it 100 times over.
Gaslighting...
Gaza Marine is a natural gas field off the coast of the Gaza Strip. The Gaza Marine natural gas field is located in water about 36 kilometers (22 mi) offshore at a depth of 2,000 feet (610 m). The field was discovered in 2000 by BP Group and it is estimated to contain more than 1 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
So thats what they are after?
@@darrontuagalu8865 GOOGLE "Maps of Palestine, 1920-2010" and then research where U.S. and GB Oil Fields have been erected. Notice how the divide of Israel and Palestine looks... and how Israel land progresses and GROWS?
Saying the quiet part Out Loud is supposed to make it "All Reich".
Is it just me or do other people find Esther McVay utterly despicable and disgusting.
.....dunno..only you would know about that and your views on anti-Semitism..😊
@@chatham43and you with your genocidal compliance
@@chatham43wats that got to do with anything,so criticising any single jew is anti semitic??
I was called homophobic once, because I said I didn't own any Elton John records@@Lindaeditz8
@chatham43 You don't sound stupid at all, do you?
Minister for Common Sense. When are they going to have a Minister of Irony.
We all live in hell, ruled by monsters . We see it in front of our eyes and do nothing like zombies.
I love how this channel points out the bull💩 and highlights the truth
Exactly! This needs to seen by more people
Esther is so cringey 😬
Definitely not Esther. Esther was right.
@@moodist1erNo she wasn't
@@jenny2tone242 for not wanting to dance naked in front of her husbands guests?
@@moodist1erwhat?
@@camelotchimp you don't know the story of Esther? She has her own book in the Bible.
Absolutely Michael. The double standards are obvious, but you can’t expect a fool like McVey to realise that.
Why would the resistance against their oppressors want to surrender while their terrorists aren’t brought to Justice 😅😅
I can't believe how dim this Tory minister is. My goodness have the UK Government sunk deep.
Yes
Yes!!
That’s what I was thinking. She comes across totally uneducated.
@@supersurfer1 as totally uneducated...
In the Quran and The Bible it's clear that Jesus is in heaven. But when it comes to Mohammed it's unknown what happened to him after death. So if he is in hell whoever believes him and his religion are going to hell...right. Think Muslims...
The UK appoints a minister for “Common Sense”…..good GOD have mercy! Not only does this woman not have any, but the fact that this is the best they could find says a lot..
Is england not good enough for you,Esther mcvey for pm
@@Connor77773 Shalom Leah, doing what you do best are you? We’re not all thick you know luv
I am in agreement with your explanation!
SHE LACKS COMMON SENS! Poor Britain!
Palestine FOREVER
In international law it is nowhere to be found that the occupying force has a 'right' to defend itself. Instead it is explicitly written that an occupied nation has a right to fight for it's freedom. Palestine will be free.
The Tories have actually got a “common sense” minister wheres the diamorphine?
Thank you for sharing this information.
An occupier does not have the right to defend itself. They're full of lies!
If they don't want to see ha.ma.s , the occu.iers should go .
Enough with these lies. We stand with humanity. We stand with Palestine!
I find it so hard to believe so many people are so ignorant as to what is really going on
Absolute nonsense coming out of minister of common BS!!
👏 Audience members, totally with you. Free Palestine
..and no more anti-Semitism...good man!
Knowing the BBC probably recruited from Hamas.
Isn't that what the IDF are doing?
6000 children and rising...how arecwe allowing this to happen just how? I'm at a loss
bravo People ❤❤❤
The current UN Special Rapporteur on Occupied Palestine, Francesca Albanese has the clearest explanation on why Israel right to defend themselves is false according to the international law. I can feel the frustration of the British people towards their blind government on this matter.
The minister for no common sense hasn’t got a clue!!!
How dare speak of our next PM in such a disrespectful manner.
Monty python Ministry for funny walks comes to mind
Brilliant discussion, thanks.
What a high level of hatred and ignorance among the panelists and some of the audience.
It is scary that this people are leading us! If international law doesn’t really work we are all in DANGER!
Yep.
Exactly my thoughts😳
@Anastasia...middle class opinions are welcome here...they are suffering too!
I agree, Anastasia.
@@chatham43What ???