Is There Another Way to Find Your Cherokee Ancestors Rather Than the Dawes Rolls?
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2018
- Regarding Cherokee genealogy, there are more sources to use than the Dawes Rolls. Many think these rolls are the only source, but you are missing out on a lot of good information if you only use them. In today’s episode of the Ancestral Findings Podcast, I’ll give you some alternatives to discovering or confirming Cherokee ancestry.
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The office of genealogy in Cherokee, NC said they go by association and your records to identify your ancestors, not DNA. The Cherokee's DNA were tested by a certain company many years ago. Your DNA can only be compared to the one's who have taken and it is entered into the data base. So if Ancestry has more native Americans testing with them than the other companies, then it would show up more. That is why they tell you your results can change over time as more people have their DNA tested and put into the data base. Mine has changed 3 times in 2 years. More specific.
Cherokee is in NORTH CAROLINA not SC
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Dude, a lot of them assimilated because of discrimination! They were treated worse than the blacks! My great grandma was named in a Kentucky newspaper. They said if she came into Elizabeth town other than one day a year, shoot her and kill her 😭 her name was deli Mae young(maiden) jaggers. They may have scrubbed the article by now but I saw it in 2001 and cried for two hours. 😭 why? Because I knew her until the age of ten and when I went to Florida and got dark she was worried the people in my all “white” town would kill me 😭 she was born in 1888. I LOVE YOU MA( Deli) I UNDERSTAND! 😭❤️✊🏼 now, I’ve forgiven those people because it happened 100 years ago but just wanted to explain why some you will never find and yes, they lie on DNA too! I am Rh null and no one told me until recently and I have three strand DNA which is supposed to be impossible 🤷🏻♀️😂😂 but anyway we have to move past this and come together because humanity is facing tough times ahead! I love you all, God bless you 🤗❤️
My grandfather in KY was sent a letter to move to Cherokee land here in OK, he refused, he was wealthy and didn’t want to give up his land, I guess they wanted it. He was hung in KY during the civil war because he would not fight on the other side, hung him by his big toes, my grandmother went out and found him and cut him down. It really bothers me when I let it that myself and all my family get nothing while others get so much help and I’m most likely more Indian than those who get help. I try to just ignore it and accept that nothing is fair in this world. I wish I could find that letter, I would be able to get a roll number. I had my ancestry dna done, but it didn’t say Native American on the result, but I’m sure we are Cherokee, you know God says not to look into your genealogy😮
I have native DNA, it's just native to Ireland 🇮🇪 lol
I hear many never signed any roles. My gg grandmother didn't trust the government and didn't.
Some of mine did, and some didn't. My father's maternal grandparents fled to the mountains to avoid the dawes roll because they didn't trust the government, but on my mother's side, there's plenty of people who died in the Arkansas territory or the Oklahoma territory. I would never say that my father's grandparents weren't Cherokee because they didn't sign up to be one
That is an excuse. That was not true and she is just not native
@@AnAdorableWombat1lol yes it is lol Quite a few never sold out to the government. Sorry yours did.
Thank for this information.
My family names is on the Dawes rolls and I did family research also
Anyone know how to change a name on the Dawes? They spelled her name wrong. My mother died before she could get it done. Any help is appreciated.
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Are there any Cherokees who know if Catherine Tame Doe existed? I've found her in my line but there are a few sites that say fictional but then some don't. I've found Cheraw on my dad's side and supposedly our Weaver side is Cherokee and descends from Tame Doe and Moytoy
When give your DNA to these companies. Is your DNA shared with the government?
Exploring your Cherokee ancestry without DNA testing is certainly possible. You can start by researching your family history through records like birth certificates, marriage records, and death certificates. Additionally, exploring census records, historical documents, and oral family histories can provide valuable insights. Regarding DNA privacy concerns, most reputable DNA testing companies have strict privacy policies and do not share your DNA with the government without consent. However, it's always important to read and understand the privacy policy of any DNA testing service you consider using. Remember, genealogy research can be a rewarding journey even without DNA testing, especially when it comes to tracing Native American ancestry.
Yes! Don't do it
I tried 23 and Me and the results were very low Native American about 1.5%. My great grandmother was supposed to be part Cherokee.
Go to Gedmatch. Run a comparison.
DNA is a lie, watch Dane Calloway for info on black Indians
Because there aren't enough native Americans from the United States tested enough. Unlike Mexico, central and South America where they test in masses.
Don't listen to youtubers who say you aren't Cherokee, just so they get clicks. Your family oral history is probably more reliable than the white man's "papers"
understand, the govt. only acknowledges a certain percentage of cherokee blood to be considered “ Of Cherokee descent” However, no matter how much melanin you have in your complexion ( 1.5% or less) youre still cursed with the misnomer,“ black”… NEVER LET OTHERS DETERMINE YOUR HERITAGE. besides… how would they know? their refrence is an imposter.
I have a geneology roll it is the henderson roll my ancestor is a couple listed as full blooded cherokee i am concerned that my ancestry is not what i am being led to believe how do i contact the proper agency to help me with this conondrum ?
To address concerns about your Cherokee ancestry and the details on the Henderson Roll, you might consider reaching out to the National Archives or a regional branch of the Bureau of Indian Affairs. They can provide guidance and access to records that could clarify your ancestry. Additionally, consulting with a professional genealogist who specializes in Native American heritage could offer personalized assistance. It's important to explore all available resources to piece together an accurate picture of your family history. Good luck with your research. Happy Searching!
Since I am a 1/4 of Cherokee, I have been asking myself about my heritage.
A.J Thomas The rolls can only find the ancestor and hence the tribe. However, finding the tribe does not determine how much Indian blood you have. Only a DNA test can do that. It’s possible for tribal members to be mixed or non-Indian by marriage, so DNA testing is needed to see how genetically Indian you are. The rolls are for tribal affiliation. But tribal affiliation using documentation doesn’t calculate the percentage of heritage, you need to take a DNA test for that. That 1/4 (25%) you have could be 1/8 (12.5%) or 1/16 (6.25%) in reality. Get a DNA test to be sure. That’s why most Cherokee members won’t get a DNA test because they are too wrapped up in Indian identity and it would totally devastate them to know they are barely Indian. That’s why they shun it. Because they know how mixed the tribe is.
I know the name of my Cherokee ancestor, and I look like the people in Cherokee, NC, but my DNA reads as 100% European. Go figure.
melissa thompson have you taken a test for native DNA? All this DNA shit is flawed so don’t take that result as the gospel truth.
@@MelissaThompson432 you aren’t native. sorry 😂 all you white people always claim to be “native” “indian” but you aren’t. look up $5 dollar natives. that’s what you are. you claim being something but every one of you guys is “Cherokee”
My Indian friends don’t want to do a DNA test. They say they are 100%. Few people on the planet are 100% anything. My friends are Navajo.
Chief George ❤ my grandpa side full blood great grama Pearson ❤
I look just like my great grama Pearson ❤
I had mine done and not one mention of indian blood, i KNOW better.
The fact that you left out the 5$ Cherokee speaks for itself. Your talk is full of half truths.
And you should let people know that if your history is not documented in the Dawes Rolls your not eligible for Tribal membership.
yup
Some people just want to confirm a family legend.
Jennifer - I spent 3 years living in Telaquah Oklahoma. While visiting there “genealogist” no less then one family an hour came in. Time after time I watched the staff in cruel fashion destroy family legends. Nothing is simple concerning Native American issues. Wether Tribal or not. So very sad to say.
A few arrogant ppl have said this and I bet they are less NA than most of us here!
My grandfather is on the Dawes rolls for the Choctaw tribe and he married a Cherokee woman who is not on the Dawes rolls. My aunt on my dad's side traced our family all the way back to the Massachusetts colony in the 1600s. I know even more about my moms side of the family. I have learned all this so I can pass it on to my grandkids, so that they know who they are and where they come from.
I did ancestory and it shows no native american But ik for fact we have native american blood flowing through my viens
If you have zero native ancestry and zero ancestors in the rolls then you aren’t native!
My 3 great grandmother was Cherokee, morning dove white manscill. She also traces back to Elvis through her son John b.manscill. her husband served as a soldier under Andrew Jackson in the battle of horseshoe bend. She must have been extraordinary and touched his heart in order to convert him to love a native of which he participated in the forceful relocation of the tribes. The Cherokee nation will never recognize her though because she died before the trail of tears and the Dawes rolls were created.
Debbie G., you make a good point not all of the Cherokees born before 1800 are on the Dawes Rolls! Many hid during the Trail of Tears and I don't care what anyone else says because a Cherokee worker at the museum in Cherokee, NC did in fact state some of them hid from the soldiers rounding up the NA's to go on the Trail of Tears! It's just another deploy to keep ppl from claiming their rightful Cherokee family!
@@crystalbishop6971 my great great grandmother married a soldier, but he also was half Cherokee through his mother. His father fought in the civil war. She was labeled as a "white Indian by the US government because she was considered a friendly native. She was pregnant and already had a little one at the time of relocation in the trail of tears, then she died at the age of 35. It's funny because in the US census she's labeled as a full blooded Cherokee. It makes me sad though, because my brother and I know that my ancestors will never be recognized as Cherokee through the Cherokee nation itself because of her lack of a roll number. I have found her and her husband's burial place and they are buried in full Cherokee fashion. Ive also read about them in a book called Gladys and Elvis. Alot of people didn't know that Elvis was proud of his Cherokee heritage, as much as his Jewish heritage too.
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That doesn't matter. You are who you are and your people are your people.
No one gets to take that away from you, especially not some bureaucratic goons with a clipboard and a list.
Cherokee never approached family, clan and tribe that way before they were told to. Nowadays, it's just a cudgel to separate and divide people from their ancestors to protect a monthly stipend from the government.
You are who you are. What they say doesn't mean anything.
Morning dove is not listed as Cherokee on any rolls.
Her family would be on the rolls. If they aren’t, she’s not native. It doesn’t work like that.
"both sides" might be the two distinct bands/groups of cherokee people?
according to some, long before the settlers arrived, there was 1 group.... but many wanted "white man" ways, so they separated themselves - and these are the only cherokee that history tells of and has records for.
what if someone is a descendent of the OTHER band.... how do we find out of we are?
Chief "Wahlah 'nutah is my direct ancestor fifth removed a Cherokee Grand Chief his English name was David Weaver born 1760 died 1835 lived in the Georgia area died in 1835 I just researched where his grave is and found it hopefully I will go someday and pay my respects thank you Grandfather !
It's amazing you're directly related to Chief Wahlah 'nutah, or David Weaver. Discovering his grave and planning to visit is a great way to connect with your heritage. Thanks for sharing your story. Happy Searching!
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Chief Cherokee Benge I am related to.
Tribal and Dawes rolls are the only accepted for Cherokee named
Agreed. Use the Tribal Rolls. That's all.
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I have a court document that states that my ancestors are Cherokee. They hid out in Tennessee and had to have a guardian once discovered. However, I don't believe that will count.
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@@aladrasullivan9018 sorry was I confusing...I can explain further.
@lucyk2371 yea,I'm not getting what you're saying luv.
@@aladrasullivan9018 I have a court document from the 1800s that says that my ancestors needed a white guardian to stay in TN. and not be moved to OK. Through that particular court case they got one.
@@aladrasullivan9018 I hope that helps.
I sorry but there was a time when it was better to be black than it was to be Native American. The native americans were forced off their lands. Killed starved, exposed to disease, even the Cherokee were eventually mistreated. The Dawes rolls excluded many native americans, only the ones that return to have their names added to the rolls are considered true native americans. Even then some were refused or denied having their name added to the rolls. Many refused to return to be added to the rolls because they was lied to so many times they didn't trust the government to follow thru on their promises. Some didn't want to live on the reservation.
Some whites could buy their place on the rolls (Five dollar Indian) by paying five dollars that was they were given land that should have gone to the native americans..
Yeah this is nothing but a family lie! Natives didn’t look remotely black. At all. They didn’t pretend to be black or hide their ancestry. These are simply lies and runors
I'm a college graduate thank you smarty but thanks for the chat
I don't need to find my genealogy, thanks. Somehow you piss me off!
Cherokee Indians are origin from the Moluccas islands.
DNA is saying middle eastern Isreal area.I like my family have Cherokee in our family and all have ancient Middle Eastern dna.Like the many articles and DNA reports all are saying middle eastern.
Deader Cherokees are tribe of Issachar the lost tribes of Israel. That’s why many tests are tracing to Israel area. Hallelujah!
My DNA indicates 49% middle eastern....and I ain't arab or hebrew
Why the focus on Cherokee.. I am Coctaw&Powhatan & Shawnee
Because Cherokee is the most used tribe with people who claim to have ancestry but actually dont
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