Tom O'Neill CHAOS: Charles Manson, The CIA & The 60s
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2024
- Tom O'Neill spent 20 years uncovering the truth behind Charles Manson and the Manson Family in his book CHAOS. His research revealed that the legendary book "Helter Skelter" by Vincent Bugliosi was not only incomplete, but misleading. His investigations took him into the secret world of the CIA's questionable projects like CHAOS, MKUltra and COINTELPRO with the FBI, and especially lead him to focus on the possible CIA involvement with psychiatrist Louis Jolyon West, also known as "Jolly West." With his groundbreaking work, O'Neill exposes the true story of one of the most notorious and mysterious cases of the 20th century.
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There are some people that have been researching the "Zodiac Killer" and came to a probable conclusion that Bruce Davis, who was Manson's righ hand man, was either involved in those killings, or was the actual "Zodiac Killer". What do you believe in reference to this theory??
@@iamnotpaulaveryIt's the only conclusion that makes sense. 😂
Excellent Hun💥😏
Yeah, weasel censors there too🙄
I'm not even 20. Tom spent more than the accumulated amount of time I've been alive writing this book, and it shows. It is packed to gills with information and it is written as entertainingly as a novel. Tom is the best.
You're right about that. He really devoted his life to the project.
And it’s total horseshit, revisionist nonsense..
And when you get older you will learn 20 years is a very short time and perhaps see that some people with more years under their belt can and will take advantage of you and exploit that weakness. Salesman and politicians have been doing it since the dawn of civilization. Selling the same snake oil under a different name every generation. Everyone that is young gets sold the idea it’s some new revelation, whatever it is. Because you are the easy meat. The realization of all this is what they call wisdom. It comes with seeing a few cycles over the course of several generations. History repeats itself and the pattern takes more than 20 years to realize. That’s your weakness. Don’t be ignorant that people will try and take advantage of it.
He never mentions his co writer though.
@williambrandondavis6897 You sound like a cult follower giving self-righteous advice no one asked for.
Please, invite Mr. O'Neill back to your show! Everyone following this story is DYING for an update!!!
No we’re not. Lol
To many people like you come out
@@ronniebishop2496yeah we are, you may want to read the comments in this video. Go back to sleep buddy
@@Outdoorpro72 You mean COMMENT? You’re the one that sounds like you’re asleep! Or are you just dumb?
The book is amazing and I wish that Tom O'Neil gets much more exposure and success for all his amazing work.... and that he releases a sequel.
Awesome interview! I knew Manson had been arrested a couple of times, but had no idea he had such a long laundry-list of federal offenses, and was still running loose! Thank you Tom, and thank you Eric! Would love to hear from Tom again if he gets a chance to come on.
Yeah, it's truly insane. Tom doesn't do many interviews so I was lucky to have him.
@@erichunley look up Raytheon they. Make a weapon . Called the denial system. That's used on targeted individuals.
@@erichunley Cheers for more healthy years to Tom so he can make a 2nd follow up book! It doesn't have to be as large, as long as it's something. CHAOS is amazing!
@@ronniebishop2496Have you read Tom O'Neill's book?
@@Doxymeister you may want to look into Kasabian and Watson laundry list of crimes before you conclude they were hippy teens brainwashed by a barely literate hillbilly conman
FANTASTIC SHOW and GUEST!!! Can we have Tom back for UPDATES periodically? I have the book but this is so much better!!!
Thank you!
I agree, this was great and it would be good if you could have Tom on again many times. He`s such a great talker. Well done all around! Thank you!
Dittos
@@76blackwidow look at Raytheon they make a weapon called the denial system . That's used on targeted individuals.
@@timothysmith8667 obtuse observation. One could definitely say that Tom’s book rips the denial that so many have in the belief that Manson in one month from July 6 th 1969 was able to brainwash Linda Kasabian to drive her co defendants to Sharon Tate’s house where she and Watson had purchased mda from Frykowski to burn them of their drug delivery ( Rousta). And cocaine from Sebring. Mansons group had been stealing and murdering all summer to feed the clan . Hinman, shorty Shae , Tate/ labianca- 10 lives including Paul Tate. Drugs were the common thread - either stealing them , selling , buying them, being on them . All of it had to stop and the Manson murders made the country stop in its tracks and that’s when our country as far as innocence died. Excess leads to self correction . Reading helter skelter at age of 12 in 1974 when the book came out scared the bell out of me . Going to bed , getting ready just after midnight on any given night made me when I noticed think of these victims believing that their day was coming to a close and about to sleep in their beds - the thought of some wacked out druggie with knives barging in slashing every person within reach for no reason . The story never sat well with me , never believable . Manson dudjj my t brainwash any one . No one can . Manson was a criminal and Watson was known to drug burn dealers - who they gonna call - the cops ? The mda sucked and kasabian knew they were getting a shipment in that night and with Watson decided to rob their drugs . Problem was Sharon made a run for it out the front door and Watson all hyped on amphetamines stabbed her. Once he did this meant death for all . They could leave no survivors .Sharon was collateral damage .
Eric I just found this other channel, I really enjoy America's Untold Stories5. Think of it as my morning commute station altho I'm now retired lol.
I was 14 in 1968 living in Stockton CA. All of this made a huge impact on our lives. I'm grateful for Tom's dedication to bring out the truth.
Thanks so much! Great to have you!
I've listened to every interview Tom has given, read the paperback, and listened to the audiobook several times.
Can't wait for the next one!
What do you think the missing link is? Was Polanski and the CIA in cahoots? FBI covered it up? And why?
Rose McGowan.
For real. Since his book came out I'm really interested in who came out with additional information to him.
@@ronniebishop2496Again? READ THE BOOK CHAOS.
@@Rick_Clelandgood grief, NO. She's the worst person.
Chaos is one of my fav books. It’s on audible as well if anyone likes to listen!
Great Book Tom! In Shane O’Sullivans book Who Killed Bobby, Jolly West is brought up with possibly being the radio man that Sirhan was meeting with. West was involved with Patty Hearst & the SLO. He saw Jack Ruby. Dig deep in books like Who Killed the King , James earl ray saw a hypnotist, the attempted assassin of Wallace saw a hypnotist. West was at the top of his game but their was more like West out their. Read the book who killed John Lennon. Russ Bakers masterpiece Family of Secrets about the bushes is a must Read. Another strange thing is that when the Manson Murders occurred Polanski was in England looking for a location to film a movie called the Day of the Dolphin. A movie about a dolphin trained to assassinate the president. In the nonfiction book The Search For The Manchurian Candidate it clearly states that their was a CIA doctor at that same time obsessed with training dolphins with hypodermic needles attached to them to kill enemy frogmen. ( I know off subject but strange) Has anyone ever wondered why the Author of the book Manson Files which is extremely expensive can’t find it cheaper then 200$ who opposes the CIA theory and Ed Saunders book called the Family because of the connection to the satanic church called the process avoids questions about Reece Whitson at all costs. Everyone needs to dig deep. Things like Manson mastered the highest level of Scientology in which it has been proven that Hubbard was in fact extremely close to Aleister Crowley who was working closely with the CIA for years. Even the fact that a big time la costa nostra (Mafia) member Carbo was very close with Manson is huge because the CIA has been working hand & hand with the Mafia since project underground and with Vito Genoese in Italy When Patton liberated it. The Mafia & the CIA again ran the drug trade together! Read Strength of the Wolf by Valentine. Labianca was a massive gambler in huge debts to the mafi. This rabbit hole is massive and these things just are not coincidental. Must reads are Acid Dreams, Operation Mind Control, Journey Into The Madness, The Search For The Manchurian Candidate, Cointelpro, The Secret Team, The Cult of Intelligence, The Devil’s Chessboard & Who Killed Bobby. I’m currently researching Jonestown & my podcast/Vlog is about to restart soon. Manson, Kennedy, Ruby, MLK, RFK, Malcom X, Lennon , Hoffa, assassination attempts on Wallace , the Pope ,Reagan by Hinckley ( friends with bush VP and former director of CIA after MK-Ultra was exposed) the connections are insane. Do the research the answers are there. Thank you Tom for your dedication, we look forward to the next book. In the CIA the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. They portray this image that they are constantly screwing up. That’s all part of espionage. You only know what they want you to know. Everyone should listen to MAE BRUSSELS old radio shows. She was ahead of her time and this was her masterpiece. She covered all this.
Interesting, thanks for sharing 👍
Seems the surviver to all this always landed in a better position than which he started was George w Bush looking back his hands were into everything.
Thank you for this !
You can research it too, im happy that Tom is finally seeing some money for his efforts. He could’ve quit ten years ago just with the evidence that bugliosi’s helter skelter motive was BS. I think that since the correct people responsible for the deaths are in prison regardless of the motive . I’d love to know the truth as far as the sequence of events in the actual murder. Parent in my opinion was not the first to die, he saw something on his way to his car , frantically pushed the accelerator in reverse, ran in to back fence - Linda on watch swiped with her knife and this broke his wristwatch which landed in back seat . Then Watson caught up with him . Sharon’s blood is all over out front . Sharon was collateral damage .
I've heard hypnosis doesn't actually work that well for stuff like this but I don't know what to believe. The hypnotist who "proved" that was also involved in MK ULTRA after all.
So good to see Mr.O'Niel looking better and better with each presentation.
Oh shit, didn't realize you'd interviewed him! I literally just finished his book yesterday! It's disturbing how much Google knows about me...
Just read the book. He raises a lot of questions about the investigation and motives. The lack of co-operation from various sources is disturbing. I'm sure there a few people still alive today who know "the complete story", but they aren't talking.
Very true. The whole thing is quite mysterious
Hollywood owned LA and by extension much of California politics. More than likely the cover-up was due to famous & influential celebrities covering for their children's drug use & association with known criminals. Gov. Reagan would have surely done favors for his Hollywood pals.
Still reported as fact anyway
History is repeating itself before our very eyes
Tom looks younger since the rogan interview, seriously. He looks great.
Should bang 'im..
I did, n' we had a child. Baby Chucks doing ok.
Thought the same thing !
Reading Chaos right now so this interview was a must watch. Absolutely fascinating, thankyou for this Eric, much appreciated.
Great Interview. I am in the middle of the book. It is excellent!!!
Thanks so much!
So much revelation here, and it's only an appetizer for Tom's book.
Glad to hear you discuss hypnosis. I recently watched a video with actor danny trejo (machete, bad ass, dusk till dawn. Etc.), who told a story of being in jail, and meeting Manson, (long before Manson formed the "family", or anything else notorious) where they let Manson hang out, and granted him a bit of refuge, due in part to manson being able to hypnotize them to feel as though they were high, as if they had just smoke marijuana or even to feel they had just done heroin
Danny told me this personally in 1983. He was in L.A. County jail w/ Manson in 1963 when Manson hypnotized him and his cell mates.
In 1997 I visited Corcoran Prison in California and was given access to the Secure Housing Unit where Charles Manson and Sirhan Sirhan were on the same row and only a couple of cells apart. Charlie was very keen to talk, Sirhan was completely withdrawn and Pincushion Smith was the scariest guy I ever saw - I was not an inmate by the way.
Chris, could you elaborate on who "Pincushion" Smith was? I pretty quickly found the name Roger Dale Smith and an explanation of why he was called pincushion, but there the search trails off quickly. Just my morbid sense of curiosity. Thanks.
@@jeffreybaker4399 Pincushion Smith was a murderer and ultra violent felon who was stabbed over 200 times while incarcerated - hence the nickname 'Pincushion.' He was known as the most violent man at San Quentin and the most dangerous man in the entire American prison system.
@@chrisbanks5925 Thanks. Yeah, don't want to meet this guy anywhere, never mind a dark alley.
A secondary thing about CHAOS that blew my mind is the fact that it was published by one of the major publishing companies. This has to be the first time a giant publisher releases a mass market book that factually debunks the old Helter Skelter©Myth and will open the door for others especially after the Bug ceased to exist and no longer able to (threaten to) sue the author and/or publisher.
One of Tom O'Neill's chapter's of the book he is working on "MK-ULTRA" should be called
"The Camarillo Club."
Fascinating and disturbing.
It really is.
Thank you, Eric, for doing these important interviews!
Tom's experiences and take always from his dealings with Vincent Bugliosi confirms what many JFK researchers have said all along about the career opportunist Bugliosi was.
I thought I was done with this case, but this guy is intriguing me quite a bit!
The hypnotist from Hawaii sounds like a prototype for Nexium. Keith Ranier.
Yeah. That and Scientology can be seen as influences.
Or Tulsi Gabbards' father.
Bingo!
His documentation of Manson's activities prior to the murders speaks for itself.
Tom's book makes more sense than Buglosi's fictional "Helter Skelter".
Makes far less sense than the truth though.
Helter Skelter is ridiculous. My aunt was obsessed with Manson, so I grew up knowing the story but I always thought Helter Skelter part of the story was stupid.
After Vince B. Supported the Oswald only childish theory, nothing about him need be taken seriously, or respected. Just remember, he was a government employee
What about his book on George W Bush and the invasion of Iraq? Should that be taken off the shelves?
@@stephenbartlett1167didn't bother with reading it. Don't care
vince b. was a right wing government employee - manson was a right winger - the cia and fbi are controlled by right wingers - remember this or you will be fooled -
Excellent interview. Very interesting👏💯
Thanks so much!
This is great Tom. Glad for your success, what a story! ..... looking for a secretary? Mets sends her love.
Tom, I have listened to the audiobook at least 10 times, Fascinating discovery even if you didn't find the answer you uncovered so much new information.
I love Tom O’Neill. No artifice, no BS, he is all about facts!
When Charlie in interviews says things like
"that's your world, not mine, man, I can be
what you want me to be," he's telling the truth.
No he's not. He's playing scientology word games.
I came across a bunch of stuff about Charles Manson, MK Ultra, Laurel Canyon, Entertainment, CIA, Kennedy about 10 years ago and Manson had a thing about “Race Wars” hmm 🤔
The average American should know all about this guy and his information that he has dedicated his life to accumulating.
I enjoyed this book. I was a little disappointed at the end because I thought there would some dramatic conclusion. In retrospect, I appreciate that Mr. O'Neill did not speculate. He simply reported what he knew and didn't embellish the facts to get more attention. The book provokes almost as many questions as it answers. The info on the Jack Ruby's shrink in Dallas (MK Ultra Doctor Jolly West) was shocking to me. This cannot be a coincidence.
The author of Helter Skelter, Vincent Bugliosi, also penned a tome which essentially backs the Warren Commission report on JFK's killing? Had Allen Dulles still been alive, perhaps he'd have written the forward to it.
Eric and his guest's leave me wanting to hear more.
Man I want to read that next book. Please write it Tom.
God Bless Tom for giving up his life for the TRUTH, that sets us FREE!!!! FREE=FAITH. "Perfect LOVE casts out all FEAR!" I John 4:18
I am amazed at how much hard work and time went into doing Tom's book. He spent something like 23 years of his life researching, writing and promoting this book!
Eric I found and listen to you and Yiddish dude I love you guys on Americans untold story's I just found your page today I'm A us army infantry vet also great work love your work Huntley
Tom has written a very accurate book on Charles Manson and the horrific murders.
What blows my mind is that there was so much more than just those murders.
Full of very exciting speculation
Sad thing in 2023, the 'intel community' is even more sinister...today...
Thank you for writing your book Tom. I couldn't put it down.
I was amazed and angered when I discovered what a bastard of a human being Vincent Bugliosi was. My sister was married to a wife beater, and to think that to this day many consider Bugliosi to be a hero.
I could imagine that the whole Polanski scandal in the pool also had to do with what O´Neill insinuates in his book. Did Polanski know too much. Did he find out what or who really killed his wife and unborn child. Did he have to be silenced..... I just wonder. This world is real bad. And it gets worse every day. I can imagine any mean operation by now.
I read the book twice. Just awesome. 20 years, what a journey, and plenty to show for it. Another book..."even better". I can't wait!
Fantastic interview! Thank you Eric Huntley and Tom O'Neill.
At 40:12, I'm glad conjugal visits were stopped. Too bad the governor is trying to let everybody out of prison.
completely the opposite of what is happening. the governor is vetoing the parole board who decided to free these people who were jailed in a sham trial half a century ago. prison is fucked, and no nation in human history has ever had as many prisoners as the USA today.
nice interview. Tom is a hero...
Giving the children to the state was a death ticket. What happened to Susan Atkin's kid?
Fascinating book! Get the hard back! The photos make it come alive! I loved it!
One of the most interesting books I've ever read, I actually got it originally to read the bits about Jolly West which are of course adjacent to understanding the JFK assassination but it told me a lot more about pop culture of that time that I was very ignorant on. I'm curious as to what Mark Groubert thinks about this book but a friend of mine just gifted me "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon", this book seems very similar to Chaos albeit less well researched but there are some dots there.
Try Programmed to Kill, also from Dave McGowan. If you can stomach the subject matter.
@@michaeljames6817 Thank you I'll be grabbing that for me and my friend
It’s so sad that Sirhan’s parole was granted only to be denied by Newsom smh. I watched the documentary called ‘The Real Manchurian Candidate’ which demonstrates how he was hypnotized and mind controlled. It’s so sad, especially since he seems like such a genuinely nice person. I hope Tom writes his book on Sirhan because many have never seen or even heard of that documentary (it’s incredibly underrated) and Sirhan’s story desperately needs more attention!! ❤
They we're successful on a mass scale Cointelpro 2.0
How this interview hasn't reached higher views, is unbelievable. UA-cam must be shaving the count...
Fantastic interview!
Awesome interview!
Tom is still alive! Reached out few days back.
One of a few things I don’t understand is why did Reeve Whitson feel the need to call Hatami. ? 90 minutes before the maid arrives and discovers the bodies? Why did he do that?
Cass Elliot had already discovered them. I know that doesn't answer your questiin but that place was grand central that night, especially with whoever moved the bodies. I believe Robert Evans and Polanski knew, given Evans no showing the way he did, whether they were behind it or not. I dont think there was anything surprising or unsuspected about any of it. They'd already tried at Sebring's.
@@nonyabiz550 Why did they want them dead?
@@ronniebishop2496 IDK. A sacrifice maybe. To kill the hippie and peace and love movement. All the above? Who knows. The truth is, when you look at the behavior of her mil intel father and other family members before and after, she may not even have been dead. Ask yourself, if all of Hollywood knew what was going on at that house as far as the blackmail orgeez and kidnappings, drugs, animals, and at least one snuph film,,,,... The way Polanski treated her(all on tape), and all seen by Paul Tate, why do the Tate's go on to act like he sh_t roses for the next 40 years and when Paul's also seen the police interview with him and knows he lied about literally everything? Why then hand over his 16 yr old to him? Debra supposedly lived with Roman for months after the murders. Does any of that make sense to you? Sharon was already doing all that at Victor Lownes (Hugh Hefner bestie) in London before she met the evil elf. Doris and her sisters practically lived there the last few months and Doris didn't have a problem with that stuff? SMH
@@ronniebishop2496 Robert Evans was head of Paramount and was best friend of Polanski
It's always seemed odd that Manson although on parole never went to see his parole officer or get violated after being arrested a few times with some of the arrests we're felony gun charges, had that been anyone else they would've been violated immediately . Also it's kinda funny how the government had tried for a few years to shut down the counter culture without success but 3 girls and 2 guys brought it down in two nights
The counter culture was a CIA operation , look up Laurel Canyon and the CIA
That fact alone shows that Charlie had some kind of untouchable status. The feds don't play when it comes to parolees violating, especially with firearm possession, especially in 1967!
What do you mean, it has spread into the New World Order ...it filled up the junior high and high schools...
I've read the book multiple times and re read it the last 2 weeks and did catch one mistake where he just put the wrong name lol funny he mentioned he had a few random errors that didn't really affect the story. Might get the paperback too, why not
Great episode!
Great Podcast! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏽
The death penalty was banned by federal law in the 70’s, as cruel and unusual punishment.
EXCELLENT
Thanks so much!
While I don't care for Tom's "proclivity" towards the male sex, I have utter respect for him & how he worked beyond "so hard" to get the info for his book. He is an animal for information, focused and absolutely impressive.
Tom, I doff my cap to you, good sir.
Big Tom O’Neill fan❤
Great Show !!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🥤🍿
The MK Ultra file is so deep and thick
We have Ann Diamond in Montreal Canada who was “sold”as a child for this program and said that an older boy had saved her life at one point and that guy was part of the program and his name is Leonard Cohen. So the artistic /music community is also a involved -
From Hollywood Gossip Reporter to Investigative Journalist. WOW! This is making my head spin. Maybe you CAN make a silk purse from a sow’s ear
We must have all the CIA/FBI/MANSON documents released.
One of my best friend's is the 2nd cousin of Charles Manson. His Father's mother was the sister of Charlie's mom Ada. I've heard many stories about Charlie's mom and her family that she ran away from. Most people have no clue about anything. I'm glad I know part of the Maddox family. They are some great people. 😊
TELL US?
I'm halfway through this and sad to say, I still haven't heard from you what exactly you guys are talking about. At least give an overview! A basic story line, something!
Sorry about that, it may be the curse of knowledge. I tried to pull components together but I will try to do better.
@@erichunley Thanks so much. It was very interesting but it wasn't until almost the end that I could barely piece together what the subject was. I think the premise is that Manson was MK ULTRA? As someone unfamiliar with the details, what they call a reset in the radio biz every now and then would be good.
@@erichunley also... I watch on Roku so I missed the intro notes under the video. I will try to remember next time, lol.
@@erichunley just add a quick summary/overview for context to the description box or a pinned comment.
In August 1978 I found a paperback written by a guy who was in the family but he escaped right before the murders. Charlie tried to track him down in the mountains. This guy was being protected by a prospector/rosicrucian who had psychic powers which he used to create a " psychic wall " to block Charlie. It was a fascinating book. He had a simple name like Bobby. I've never seen anything about this guy. It's real because I bought the book. Someone must have got it too.
My life with Charles Manson and the Family by Paul Watkins.
Take it with a grain of salt.
Its pretty decent there’s audibook versions here on youtube
Manson told Watkins “we’re going to have to show blackie how to do it.” Manson was talking about helter skelter. Watkins knew what that meant so he split
just dont end
up like danny
casalero, tom.
Re: the mind control research it reminds me of the book Frankenstein. Who is the real monster? The patient programmed or the doctor programmer?
Tom ~ We’re still waiting for your follow up book, tv series, etc.
excellent book. great info. though sad to learn bugliosi such awful crazy duplicitous negative energy since i liked some of his talks on c span. great book and lot of credible information, author did great interview with shaun attwood a few months ago too.
Yeah, it is sad about Bugliosi for sure. I've reached out to Shaun as well.
i enjoy your interviews, you're excellent getting info from speaker and insightful listener, love long format interviews, o'neill seems like good, down to earth, authentic soul, i hope he writes a lot more books, chaos compelling.
it'd be fun if you interview lise pease with robert barnes the way you did with mark groubert, because barnes knows a lot about rjk assassination & her book very good, like chaos book. have a nice day
A Lie Too Big to Fail: The Real History of the Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy Kindle Edition
by Lisa Pease (Author),
ps, that'd be cool you interviewing shaun
This explains why Charlie Manson felt he could commit any crime, and would be impervious to paying for it.
An Anti-Social with carte blanche to commit any crime he wanted, no matter how rotten.
65K Subs Congrats!
Is Eric and G-Man Chanel the same
There is no one left to really question or hold responsible especially after the passing of Vincent Bugliosi
Has Tom ever looked into the Phoenix Program?
Always s great interview when Tom is On(pun intended).
We have found some info about Reeve Whitson being involved with the CIA’s Phoenix Program in Vietnam and later in Central America (Panama).
@@paulhart3812 Whitson, interesting, now narrowing down the track. 1971 Flap, To Much Too Long (Nixon) 4 Flaps total connected to Bureau of Narcotics. In other words, There really was no war on drugs.
Ahem, Never has been!
I must admit the 'family' was very strange especially the girls, in interviews now they say that Manson simply paid attention to them; he told them they were beautiful and things they were dying to hear; and they felt many for the first time in their life that someone cared about them. how that morphs into becoming a mindless killer is indeed a mystery.
Respect, Eric ✌️🇺🇸
the beatles were manufactured by the tavistock institute.
the doors were manufactured by rebel without a cause.
A certain $1000 a ticket "artist" is also the product of alphabet soup
Nobody sued you Tom because your right 👍
Bazed Lit Analyzer did a great 3 hour review of the book.
The Church commission hearings and Musk's Twitler revelations make nice book ends for Chaos.
Here's a thought; after watching the Nic Shreck interviews, maybe the reason there has been so little argument over O'Neill's book is the powers that be were happy to see him go off on a direction that lead away from the truth. Just a thought.
I don't think that any of what Schreck asserts negates or contradicts any of O'Neil's research, just that Nick doesn't want to credit anyone else's information as being as 'valid' as his.
I'm also of the opinion that he doesn't really care about the "truth" of the matter other than as a vehicle to ride and profit from, whereas l think that O'Neil genuinely wants to uncover the actual truth(s) on the subject.
It's _all_ plausible within the framework.
Just my opinion...
Having a life long interest in this case, there's a lot that can be said, but ultimately my grumble with Tom's book is, on the one hand he doesn't draw any clear conclusions in the book and invites readers to draw their own conclusions, but on the other he often says he left out a lot in the book for one reason or another, so how, I ask, can we draw our conclusions when we don't know all he knows, has proven, and suspects about the case. I was over joyed when I heard the book was coming out, was delighted at the dot connecting that Tom did in the book, but then it just ends, no conclusions, no speculation about serious possibilities, and worst of all, no call for further action, like the full release of all government files on the case. So, I got to the end and just went, 'duh!' - where the rest? It was frustrating. I also think all that Jack Ruby stuff was a distraction. Focus on the fraudulent trial, the covert programs at the time, and links between the cult, the victims, the celebrities, and the legal malfeasance. Dragging up the other stuff just allowed people to cry conspiracy theory. It didn't help.
He is doing a second book
Don’t question anything. Just buy the dang book
@@stephenbartlett1167 I read it immediately it was released. I've read it with more than once, and with great focus, including the footnotes. There is a lot of info in the footnotes.
Why do you believe the trial was fraudulent?
@@stephenbartlett1167 you read Tom's book. Don't pick my brains. Then come back.
Manson did dozens of interviews in prison. After reading O’Neil’s book I watched all I could to see if he ever mentioned anything relating to MKUltra. He didn’t. Could be because he wasn’t asked or he didn’t know he was being groomed in the 50’s and 60’s. Makes me wonder
Great interview, yet another book I want to read.
Save your money. The audio version is on UA-cam. I bought the book and was very disappointed. No credible evidence, no proof to back up his claims in the book. Just saying.
@@MeeMee-gz5vp Tom has the documents that prove West's working in MKUltra, Bugliosi's lies and Smith's purposefully keeping Manson out on the streets.
@@MeeMee-gz5vp dude he literally talks about the proof he has in detail. You can't just publish a book full of documents from the cia and whatnot without coming to the point where you risk legal action, arrest or ending up suicided. There is no books about actual events that aren't just picture books going over events, that include all the evidence in the actual book.
@@MeeMee-gz5vpYou FOOL. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I would like to know his view on rob zombies doc about manson. Its interesting and explores the possibility that manson may not have ordered any actual killings.
41:30 "stand-up guy"
well you know he at least has his code of morals he took seriously, died living his "I'm no snitch" existentialism
Didn't Manson also read How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carinegie?
One of the best books I’ve ever read. ☕️🐇
Eric, at 19:56, through 20:25, you started to remember a term that slipped your mind. Very intriguing. Have you remembered the term?
Gell-Mann Amnesia or effect.
How come this video doesn't have a date?
“Streamed live on Jun 17, 2021”
Love this shit ❤ Two thumbs up. 5 stars. Keep em comin'