That was one great expanation of these guitars. I took my Larrivee 000-03 12 fret to a local jam and my wife said she could not hear me. So, I took my Boucher H-26 12 fret 000 to the same jam and she could hear me fine. The Larrivee is Sitka with African mahogany B&S and the Boucher is Adirondeck with Bubinga B&S.
@@zacharyneely Thank you! Glad you liked it. I haven’t done an acoustic guitar video for a while, but I ought to again. I’ve been dabbling with building high-quality DIY microphones and it’d be really interesting to do another video with these two guitars now that my recording game is stepped up a few notches. Enjoy your day!
I’m fortunate enough to own both 000-28 and a D-28, both bought new in 2008. Absolutely agree with your comments, can’t choose between as it depends upon your mood.
I didn't try to tell them apart but rather tested myself for which sounds more pleasent to me (without the distracting view). While I thought I'd prefer the dreadnought in most cases, I actually liked the 000 in roughly half of the examples better.
@@rblanks2050 That’s right. I sent my Dreadnought in for a re-fret also and had them change it to EVO fretwire. I’m sure if it were possible to play the same guitar back-to-back with standard vs EVO frets, you could probably notice a very slight difference, but my dread sounds the same to me as before. The EVO fretwire feels a lot smoother and peace of mind knowing I’m likely not to ever develop a buzz because a fret is worn out since they last much longer.
Thanks. The straight forward explanation of the dementions and string length was very helpful. Got most wrong, which means I should get both in my hands. Thanks again
Got them all. The dreadnought sounds scooped and has substantially more attack/edge while the OOO has more roundness and balance. Dreadnoughts are cool for strumming but I really prefer OO and OOO for fingerstyle and flat picking.
I got every single one right. The bass response and volume is very apparent. The 000 was not as loud and brighter than the Dreadnought. Your description of the differences was very accurate and the audio reflected exactly what you said.
Have been playing less than a year and I own two dreadnoughts and planning to add more guitars to the collection over the next few years. I was immediately drawn to dreads because my first choice was either a J45, Hummingbird, or HD28 - ultimately I choose the bird. Recently added a D18 and been planning to add the last two Gibson dreads I would really want before getting a 000, but you're really making this harder for me. Your 000 sounds really good! Great playing and great video!
Both of those are beautiful guitars. I have a 1963 Martin D-28 that my Dad bought new and a 2015 Martin 000-16G both nice guitars, but I love the 000....the scale length on this model Martin 000 is 25.4'' . Great job on describing the guitars.
Thanks! I'm planning on making another quiz soon using two Pre-War Guitars Dreadnought guitars that have different tone woods. It'll be fun to hear them back-to-back. Haven't had a chance yet because I recently had shoulder surgery, but I'm on the mend, so hopefully soon!
@@BoydTimothy Thank you!! Sounds great!! I hope your shoulder gets better and better. For a few years My arms and fingers have not been perfect to move so I changed the way I play. No play a guitar, no life for me. I'm waiting for your new cool demo!!
My desert island guitar is a Zager ZAD80CE ! You can't understand until you play it. Zager is one of the best guitars for the money you could possibly buy.
The bass string tells the tale usually. The dread has stronger bass...usually, but a 000 is really nice to have sitting beside you when you just want to pick up a guitar when you're sitting around. You hit the nail on the head...get them both. There's a new song in every different guitar. Really nice playing. Thankd for posting. I have a 1963 Martin D-28 that my Dad bought new and a Martin 000-16 that I got new...and several other guitars. My favorite guitar changes all the time, but I always see a new guitar that I'd like to have. I need help! 🙂
@@BoydTimothy Ain't that the truth! Have you ever watched some of the older videos of The Greekflatpicker (Yiannis) . He has some priceless videos of many different vintage and custom guitars. Yiannis is in Greece and super nice guy and a killer player too.
@@USNAVDC I've watched a number of his videos. He is such a great player! I've "borrowed" one of his many breaks to New Camptown Races. Amazing that he comes across so many different guitars. I like when he and his friend trade back flatpicking breaks.
@@Ziraffe2 Thanks for watching and for commenting. For sure, I'd likely choose the dread myself too, especially since I mostly play bluegrass. The 000 is fun to play on when I'm solo and even though it has the volume, it falls apart a little bit with too jangly of strings when trying to flatpick fast at a jam.
Depends if the desert island is windy or near the crashing waves. I'll need the DN if so. If I can hunker down in a quiet area in my hut, then the 000. And in fact, thanks to you and this video, I've narrowed my search to the 000 size now. The articulation and dynamic range is better I think and I can amplify it for more volume if required. Great video, thank you.
Interesting comparison. Got 6 out of 7 (missed number 6). Also, somewhat surprisingly, liked the sound of the dreadnaught more! Did a blind test with my wife listening, a dreadnaught vs an OM (rosewoods). She also liked the dreadnaught better. Thanks
same here, also on 6 he played a little softer then louder on the 000 passage so it was a little confusing but agree, on all the others the dreadknaught sounded much better especially the E string.
Came across your great video. I have just bought a 000-28 (2015) after having listened to both the D-28 and the 000 extensively. Before playing your video I had a momentary “oh no”, did I choose wrong for what I wanted (primarily at home, relaxed, easy to handle). Got 6 out of 7 and absolutely reaffirmed that I made the right choice for me. Thanks so much!
Really like the blind comparison that forces you to only use your ears and eliminates visual bias. Got 5 out of 7. As far as a desert island guitar, probably the 000 since I'd be playing a lot of blues.
Great video - I got 6 in 7. Could not tell in number 6. And reviewing the question again I still feel that the 000 sounds boomier in that particular clip. And generally I feel that the 000 records much nicer. I have just sold my HD-28 because I found it too boomy and now I am awaiting delivery of a Recording King RD-328 all solid rosewood/adirondack 000 guitar. I hope it sounds something like yours - then it'll be great. I feel my playing is changing. I am not as heavy handed as I used to be - and I rather want a slightly cheaper 000 that I can play on the couch or in the garden and not be worried when my children knock it over. Great video, very consistent playing and most of all perfectly selected pieces to demonstrate the differences. I appreciated it alot!
Nice work! 6/7 I is better than I’ve ever done. You can’t go wrong with a 000 for sure. One thing I found recording my dread is the location I record makes a huge difference. I’ve since treated my room with acoustic panels and, more importantly, bass traps in the corners. That and mic placement make a huge difference. But for sure the body size difference affects the sound a lot. Best of luck with the RK. Sounds like it’ll be a great one!
I've got a couple dreads....now I want a 000. I like delta blues and want to learn new techniques (fingerpicking and slide) I've also become quite found of folk, country western and bluesgrass. I used to play hard rock and metal, now I play bass in a church but in my spare time, I play my acoustics. I LOVE dreadnaughgs but I would like a slightly smaller guitar for couch picking comfort.
I have a 1970 D28 and a 1953 00021. I can tell the difference between my two guitars, but only got one correct with your test. My desert island guitar would be my Jumbo, though. Beats them both in sound quality and volume.
6 out of 7 (I was wrong on the sixth question). I'm saving for a OOO28 at the moment. I wanted something iconic, something really good sounding and something comfortable. It helps that I prefer the looks of the OOO's. Thanks for the video!
This could be a potential eye-opener for a lot of guitarists. I got 4/7 right, which is not better than chance. So it definitely challenged some of my big vs small body preconceptions. However the speakers/headphones can obviously affect the sound, and so I believe playing them yourself will better illustrate the differences.
Great point. Nothing beats first-hand experience. I'd also say that my 000 records really well. It has a very balanced sound where my dreadnought can get a little tricky because it has so much low end to it. I use medium gauge strings on both and that also contributes to a closer sound. A lot of people like to use lighter gauge strings on a 000 and that definitely makes it feel and sound quite a bit different. Thanks for reporting your score and for your insightful comment.
@@BoydTimothy I agree. I’m mostly a fingerstyle guitarist myself, and it’s interesting because the first proper acoustic I bought was an mahogany Eastman E1-OM, that I ended up “trading” for a rosewood dreadnaught (Yamaha LL-16). It’s fantastic, but yes the bass is harder to control. I still have the credit locked in the store, so I might go pick up that Eastman again (like a fool, lol), but have a hard time deciding between the OM or the dreadnaught equivalent (E1D). I found the D to actually be more balanced in sound albeit more “boring” where as the OM was a bit boomy in the low mids (the reason I gave it back) - but it also had an incredible midrange sweetness to it. Just a little story on the difficulties of finding that “stranded-on-an-island-guitar”. Like you said, one needs both. Thanks again for commenting and this excellent unbiased and blind comparison, there needs to more like this.
Wonderfully done. My surprise is how close the two are. Sometimes I prefer the tone of the D and sometimes the 000. Got 6 of 7 though I was confident it was 7 of 7, but obviously not. Very surprised how loud the 000 is compared to the D.
Thank you for an entirely enjoyable video. It turns out my ear is better than I thought; I only missed one. For my first guitar (the one I'm attempting to decipher now), I found a good used Yamaha electric-acoustic that happened to be a smaller (concert) size. Initially I was torn between a dreadnought or something smaller but the issue was decided by circumstance and so far it's turned out well.
I prefer the 000 because it sounds more even, fits my hands better, and sounds better with my voice. The 000-17 is a sleeper. Sounds great with the satin finish, and I prefered it to the 28s I played back to back with it
I’ve never even played a 000 in my life, so I only got 3 out of 7 questions right. The examples with heavy strumming are really easy to tell, because a dreadnought has a recognizable “thump” to it. I’m surprised, however, at how responsive the 000 is at fingerpicking. To my ears, it has a way better bass response in this style. This might be why I picked the wrong answers, because I mistakenly associate a dreadnought as having better bass in all style of play.
I agree. I usually associate a bigger bass response to a dreadnought but I also think it has a lot to do with the particular build of the 000 in question. I’ve never been a fan of the Martin-built ones from the 90’s and early 2000s with straight braces. Once they moved to scalloped bracing it made a huge difference. And then, of course, the modern ones built by Pre-War Guitars Co. are in a different league entirely because they are building them in the same way as a good 1930s specimen with scalloped bracing, hide glue, etc.
Hello Boyd like the video and great playing ' I've just got a new Martin 000 28 reimadgend ' I like it very much prefer the shape ' I agree with you It's more of a late night guitar ' but also like the big sound of a dreadnought . I got 4 out of 7 in the test . Regards John
Thanks for your comments. I'm glad I'm not the only one who got fooled in the test by a couple of them. The Martin 000-28 is a great guitar and I love the neck width and bridge spacing they're currently doing - exactly the same specs as both my PW guitars.
That was very good and instructive. Thanks. I was right 4 Times on the basis of pronounced base. It was more difficult for me to distinguish midtones between the two guitars. I was using apple ear phones. Good job.
This was an excellent video. I got 5 out of 7 correct. The D had a much boomier base and that is what I was listening for. Both sounded great, but I"m not sure which one I prefer.
Thanks, and great work getting that many right. It's more difficult than you think. Hard to pick which one I like the most although 8 times out of 10 choose my dread ... but only because I mostly play bluegrass.
Great side by side comparison. Most comparisons drag out and you forget what the other sounded like. This was done right. All personal preference though. Either guitar can be played for whatever you want. Crosby and Nash played Martin dreadnoughts exclusively, with lots of finger style stuff...sounded great. Willie Nelson played a Martin N-20 (nylon string), and played it every which way you can play a guitar....sounded great. Buy the one you want, and play it however you please.
Totally true. You can get a lot of use out of either of these guitars. Thx for watching and for your thoughts. I do find though that the 000 falls a tiny bit short when I want to flat pick really quickly. The strings are just too loose because it's a short-scale that they feel a bit jangly. That same phenomenon doesn't happen on my dread.
I want to say I hear bit more jingle/loose string sound on 000 and bit more bass on Dreadnought but it's not obvious when listening even with a fancy Sennheiser HD800S and a dedicated headphone amplifier. I have listened to many many of these comparison recordings and really a minor difference between the two. I FEEL the difference when played back to back. Loudness volume difference when standing in front of someone else playing. Here is my bottom line. Dred is great to play in front of big audience acoustically (Everything becomes meaningless the moment I use any sort of transducers to amplify) or in a mood to FEEL that vibration. 000 is great for all day playing and recordings for the comfort. If I am allowed to pick one guitar then 000 for versatility. I had both and I always start with Dred to get the feel and vib and switch to 000 for the rest of the day.
I am a little bit late to join your quiz but all my answers were correct. It took twice for me to listen to quiz number 6, again my answer was still correct. I have Martin D-13E a cheap version of your Dreadnought that's why I cannot find any difficulties to differentiate the sound . Enjoyable quiz. Thanks Mate.
Way to go! Thanks for your comment and you’re among the lucky ones who has gotten them all correct. I’ve taken it myself a few times and have missed a couple.
@@vivattt I recently released another one comparing two dreadnoughts with different tone woods that you might like: ua-cam.com/video/42a8b0Qh01U/v-deo.html
I managed to get 6 out of 7. I failed on Q6. Not bad. Thanks for the quiz! I used to play a dreadnaught im the beginning but im a small guy and hurts my shoulder so i went for a 000x1e. I enjoyed playing more and practice on picking lately.
6! That's a pretty good score. My dreadnought's out of commission for a couple weeks, but my 000 is filling in very nicely. Thanks for watching and reporting your score. Keep on picking!
Nice playing! I could hear the differences, and do enjoy LOTS of BASS, I think the 000 sounds terrific, pretty amazing, for what it is! Both sounded great! If my son was playing SOLO on a desert island, I'd probably prefer to hear the drednought, but IF there were two (or even three) of us and I had a bass (and then drums or improvised percussion), probably the 000.
I got 5/7 I grew up playing a 000 for many years and still love its "pocket" feel. Never a fan of dreads even though I love bluegrass. Lately I have been a fan of small jumbos and have a Collings C-100, Gibson J-185 and a Martin J-40. All awesome but different. I think they are a blend between 000 and Dread.
For a desert island guitar, I’d choose a 000. Not many bluegrass jams on desert islands! Plus I’d appreciate the shorter scale length/lower tension while playing the blues and awaiting my rescue.
Great video. I personally prefer the 000 because most of the time I'm playing at home and don't need the Dreadnought boom. That being said, there is nothing like strumming open chords on a Dreadnought outside in a park when you can let her rip. I'm not even sure the sound is that distinct. It's that rumble feeling the Dreadnought provides that make it fun. And I say that as someone that loves 000s and just one Dreadnought for a reason.
Nice guitars. I missed the first one, but got the rest correct! I've played dreads for a long time, but lately been playing something similar to the OOO. For me it's the slight "quacky" sound that I can be heard in the smaller body guitars, along with the bass response
Nice work! For sure, most 000 guitars I’ve played have something quite a bit different than dreads. Most of the 15-30yr old Martin 000 guitars (before they recently changed them to thinner and scalloped bracing) don’t sound that great to me. I like what they’ve done in their recent builds and Pre-War’s 000, to me, produces quite an incredible clear tone.
i got 4B, 5A, 6B wrong. I have a 2019 Martin D35. after a year of playing it regularly, it has opened up and sings loud & proud. I'll have no other, unless it is a custom build for about $8K! In which case all factory builds will fade and fail in comparison. I have a luthier here in N Texas, Ralph Walker. Noone makes a better steel string, classical or mandolin than he!
Well I got the first four right. I have a D-18 and an Eastman OM (same as 000). I can tell them apart😉. I agree with your assessment of both 100%. Great video.
haha - this is a good one 👍 6/7 for me. I've got a nice Martin OM and a Taylor Jumbo. But I love the sound and overall feel of a D guitar very much and think the time will come that a nice D28 will joyn my collection :) Very nice instruments and playing btw!!
Thanks! Nice score to only miss one. I’ve been doing some recording of some songs I’ve written and have been finding that my 000 is a lot more balanced and needs less EQ treatment to remove (barely) certain low frequencies. My dread I have to pull down certain lower frequencies in order to make it not be too boomy. But, when playing live with others there’s nothing more satisfying than the big bottom end of my dread. The newer D28 guitars that Martin is making right now are pretty stellar. I wouldn’t mind picking one of those up myself. :)
I got 4 out of 7 correct. I'm pretty surprised because in the first few questions, the differences are easy to spot, but for me it became less so in the later questions. My main instrument is a dread, but I recently bought an OM because I find them more comfortable to play in general. But I do prefer the sound of a dread slightly. If my next guitar is a dread with the wider nut width and maybe a slightly chunkier neck than my Martin, I may have my perfect guitar.
Nice job! I think I prefer dreadnought most of the time, especially playing out with friends. You might try one of the traditional series of Collings. Their necks have seemed a bit more chunky to me, but maybe I'm just forgetting. :)
I have hog 000, hummingbird, j15, Eastman dread and 000 and a good all solid j200 copy. I can tell each, by sound, individually when I first play them but after a few minutes they all start to sound very much like at least one of the others. I did get most of the quiz right though.
I totally agree with you, dreadnought with the band and ooo by myself, therefore in the desert island, I can imagine that it would be all by myself, ooo is the answer ps I got 5 test right and in 4 (2, 3, 4 and 7) I prefered ooo and (1, 5 and 6) I like dreadnought more
5 of 7 correct. I would like to hear the same guitars with D'Addario strings. I played Dreadnaughts for years, eventually favoring the 12 fret D-18S and variants ( I have owned 5). I currently have a 1997 Martin 0000-1 and a 2015 00-18V with highly flamed mahogany backs and sides. Were I to choose between a Dread and a 000... I would choose an OM.. the 000 with a 25.4 scale but with a proper full sized pickguard. Over the years I find that I much prefer the sound and playability of smaller guitars. I play with 12 guage strings and have developed a lighter touch, so no need for a dread. Excellent presentation.. liked and subscribed. PS Nice playing, nice guitars. Thanks from So Oregon.
Ah, great work! Thanks for giving it a go. I've missed a couple myself when I've taken the quiz so don't feel to bad. Great to have both of them to pick on.
"What can you do but buy both?" Honestly, I feel guilty that I don't play my single acoustic often enough to keep it in top shape, so it just sits there and gets older by useless string tension. The more I play her, the better she sounds. And it's a 25yo WRC top, which does not require much work to get it going. My nephew got himself a spruce top acoustic, but then transitioned to electric. His guitar is not even broken in. She sounds dead as a doornail. But those strings pull on her 24/7 for several years already...
@@bakters - Sorry to hear your time is in such short supply. I regularly play 4-5 guitars at home and they sound great. Have a travel guitar I enjoy several times a year as well. Fun and great sounding for what it is.
@@jamesmartin9406 "I regularly play 4-5 guitars at home and they sound great" Well, what if you played just one. All the time. Then tell me if they (all) still sound great. Or, to put it differently, pick one and play it a lot, while you "exercise" all the rest, just to make it fair. The most played guitar will sound the best, as long as you picked the one which fundamental sound you already like.
I thought this would be EZ. Expected to blow one or two, but to my embarrassment, I missed them all!!! I've been playing for over 50 years. I don't play a 000, but one of my guitars is a Dreadnought. So, maybe I do need to buy a 000 and learn that tone???
I got#6 wrong. "Get 'em both" that's the truth. I own a 2005 Carlo Robelli D-28 mahogany knockoff and a 1973 rosewood Giannini 000 knockoff. I set them up myself. Bone nuts and saddles, wood bridge pins, Grovers etc. Each cost way less than $200. They sound very similar to the two Pre*War guitars here. So, even a well purchased and cared for inexpensive guitar will serve you well. On that desert isle I'd bring.........
0/7 right. I managed to consistently flip them. I am going to guess I have good ears, but my perception of what they are supposed to sound like is wrong? "shrugs"
Yup. Better than a lot of us. Good work! Just for kicks I just took it again (it's been a while and I purposely haven't memorized the order). I only got 4 of the 7 correct. Doh! Now that the 000 is over a year old I think it sounds significantly warmer than the dread. I'll have to do a re-cap sometime this year with fresh strings on both and see if it's easier to differentiate.
I regret buying my OM 28V back in 2006, instead of buying a D28. My budget would too overloaded to own both, so I have been trying to swop my OM28V for a D28. So far no-one has shown any serious interest. The D28 to my ears is far better and fuller sounding to do the Neil Young covers I enjoy doing. And it's bass response is far better to my ears.
My conclusion from this video is that there really isn’t much of a difference in sound between the Pre-War D-size and OOO when you mike them the way you did (i.e. not really close-miked), capo them up the neck, etc. I guess that if you mostly play unamplified at bluegrass or old time jams, having a really loud dreadnaught could really make life easier. You left out nut width/string separation as a variable, which has a lot of importance to finger-style players (most dreads have 1 11/16” nut while OOOs are more likely to to be 1 3/4”). You also muddied the water somewhat by putting mediums on the OOO (who puts mediums on a OOO? I would argue that most OOOs aren’t built to take mediums). I think that the fingerstyle vs plectrum playability is the main reason to have both. My desert-island guitar is an OM (OOO-size with a long scale and a 1 3/4” nut).
Thanks for the comments! My studio is currently torn apart waiting for new carpet, but I’d love to add a follow-up video to this one. I have much better microphones (some DIY KM-84 clones I made) and a good way to stereo mic my guitars. My two guitars featured in this video both ave a 1 3/4” neck and the exact same bridge spacing. You’re right, I ventured out of the norm by using mediums on my 000. My particular 000 handles mediums perfectly. The purpose of my video was to keep as many things consistent as possible and in this case, the woods are the same (both mahogany back and sides and Adirondack tops). For sure, they’d sound a lot less different if I put light gauge strings on the 000 - but then I probably wouldn’t play it as much (personal preference). Haha.
@@BoydTimothy Hi Timothy. Thanks for this nice comparison. 🙏 Just a few moments ago I saw some other videos of you. One where you're comparing this two guitars with a 000-18 and a HD-28V Clone. And one where you compared the Pre-War Mod. D to your former D-18 Authentic 1938. So to my ears all were absolutely stunning and beautiful sounding guitars...at least all the hog ones 😅Is the neck of your own Pre-War Mod. D with its 1 3/4" nutwidth more comfortable to you than the more modern 1 11/16" neck that you had on the Mod. D for temporary loan? Doesn't your own has a 2 5/16" bridge string spacing? Just curious how it works for strumming and flatpicking? Unfortunately there's no Pre-War Dealer here in Germany. Cheers
@@Lutze_en_voyage Thank you! The Pre-War Model D guitar that I ordered and own has a 1 3/4” nut width and 2 3/16” bridge spacing, which is right about what Martin has been doing with their more recent D-18 & D-28 guitars. I find that to be the sweet spot for me. The 2 5/16” bridge spacing, which is normal for vintage spec, feels a bit too much to me. The extra space from the 1 3/4” and 2 3/16” (compared with the 1 11/16” necks) seems to make flat picking a bit easier because you can play more “through” the string and my pick has a little bit more space to move around. I feel like I can flat pick more cleanly with the wider spacing. But, that’s just me. I had to special order the 2 3/16” bridge spacing, but haven’t ever regretted it. Strumming seems to work equally well for me on either width of the necks. I can get by with 1 11/16” fine enough, but I definitely prefer the 1 3/4”.
@@BoydTimothy Thanks Timothy for your reply. Even if neck profiles are a very personal choice I found your descriptions and impressions of your guitar very helpful. 👍 It confirmed me that the combination of 1 3/4" and 2 3/16" would be the perfect choice for me too.. The 2 5/16" always looka a bit wide for me and I feel 2 1/4" bridge spacing is max for me to comfortably strum and flatpick. Good to know that it's possible to combine the two dimensions that your Pre War has. Didn't know because their website just lists 1 11/16" to 2 3/16" or 1 3/4" to 2 5/16". Did you paid extra for these specs? May I ask you what you're doing for a living? Are you a musician? Have a nice day.
@@Lutze_en_voyage The best way to find out if you’d like the spacing of the 1 3/4” nut and 2 3/16” bridge spacing would be to try out one of the modern Martin D-18 guitars. I didn’t pay extra to have them build that neck. It was a custom order and I gave them the specs I wanted on it. Both my D and 000 from them have the same spacing on the neck and bridge. If you put in a custom order and wanted the same neck, you can literally ask them for the same neck they built on mine (Boyd’s Model D) and they’ll know what it is. ;) I’m a software engineer by trade and am lucky to have music be a hobby. Yes, I'm also a musician. Look up the bluegrass band I'm in, Basin & Grange. We just released our first album.
While I guessed almost all of them, some were dam close, and that's saying alot considering an 000 is a small body short scale. You get the right 000 and you won't be able to put it down
Personally I consider a drednaught a “XL” guitar and the OOO as a large or “regular sized” guitar. The OO personally is What I think is the sweet spot for the average sized person who wants to sit and play guitar comfortably. If you’re standing a dred or even the jumbo aren’t to bad. But that’s just my 2 cents and 2 cents won’t buy you shit these days lol
Also, my jumbo, Dread and 000 are all the same scale length so I don’t know what he’s talking about. My L-OO and my taylor GS mini both have shorter scales but not by much. The L-00 is just slightly smaller and the mini needs med. strings to have the same tension as light or “regular” strings
Good perspective. I also think it depends on the size of the ensemble. When it's just me, the 000 works great but put me in a loud acoustic jam and I definitely want my dread. Singing and performing solo with a mic? A smaller-bodied guitar does the trick really well. Such good tone too.
Great question. If it’s someone younger or with smaller hands the 000 is a bit more manageable because the frets are closer together (it’s a shorter neck). If none of that is a concern, maybe consider what kinds of songs and style of playing. If you’ll be playing with a number of other instruments, a dreadnought generally has more volume. Finger style and blues are more common on a 000. As you can see from the video both can cross over to play any style. So it boils down to personal preference as well.
Another question, is Mahogany or Rosewood back and sides better for the Dread or OOO ? I have a dread with the mahogany back and sides and have the opportunity to buy the same OOO with Mahogany or Rosewood...which one do i go for?
Excellent question. The trick in answering that is that "best" is subjective. When I was comparing Martin 000-18 vs 000-28 I always gravitated back to mahogany, but maybe that's because that's what I prefer to begin with. I played a spectacular 000-granadillo made by Pre-War Guitars Co. last week at IBMA in Raleigh, NC. If I could re-order my 000 I would likely order one of those. It's a really good mixture of both mahogany and rosewood tones - a little deeper than mahogany. In my experience, a mahogany guitar is much more clear, precise, and to the point while rosewood seems to have a little more bottom end and more overtones (a little more complex sound). I like the clarity mahogany gives me. All that being said, I wouldn't mind having another in rosewood just for variety. ;)
@@BoydTimothy Honestly that Granadillo sounds like Brazilian to me. Which is why I'd pick it for a 000. Or Indian even. I prefer Mahogany on dreads. Rosewood or close to that Rosewood sound on smaller bodies. Makes up for the loss in bass imo
@@el34glo59 Yeah, I’m still kinda regretting not ordering Granadillo for my 000. Maybe at some point I’ll swap someone or sell mine and re-order. PW does an amazing job with any tone wood that you can’t really go wrong with whatever you pick.
I got all 14 wrong? As with most guitar brands, there is only one good test, Play it yourself. Some "lesser " name brands have beautiful sound and action. Play a lot of different guitars!
Jump straight to the quiz: 05:42
Number 2 answered the question 000 vs Dred for fingerpicking. The 000 sounded much more balanced to me. Good demo
That was one great expanation of these guitars. I took my Larrivee 000-03 12 fret to a local jam and my wife said she could not hear me. So, I took my Boucher H-26 12 fret 000 to the same jam and she could hear me fine. The Larrivee is Sitka with African mahogany B&S and the Boucher is Adirondeck with Bubinga B&S.
Great video Tim, you just earned yourself a new subscriber
Thanks for all the valuable information
@@zacharyneely Thank you! Glad you liked it. I haven’t done an acoustic guitar video for a while, but I ought to again. I’ve been dabbling with building high-quality DIY microphones and it’d be really interesting to do another video with these two guitars now that my recording game is stepped up a few notches. Enjoy your day!
I’m fortunate enough to own both 000-28 and a D-28, both bought new in 2008.
Absolutely agree with your comments, can’t choose between as it depends upon your mood.
Wow, I'm really surprised at how much warmer the 000 is!
I didn't try to tell them apart but rather tested myself for which sounds more pleasent to me (without the distracting view). While I thought I'd prefer the dreadnought in most cases, I actually liked the 000 in roughly half of the examples better.
For me it’s how comfortable they are holding sitting down and the 000 wins for me.
Makes a lot of sense. The 000 definitely wins that battle! It's the go-to when you just wanna sit down and relax and play something nice.
so the 000 has evo frets is that right? and from what i read you dont detect much difference in terms of tone etc?
@@rblanks2050 That’s right. I sent my Dreadnought in for a re-fret also and had them change it to EVO fretwire. I’m sure if it were possible to play the same guitar back-to-back with standard vs EVO frets, you could probably notice a very slight difference, but my dread sounds the same to me as before. The EVO fretwire feels a lot smoother and peace of mind knowing I’m likely not to ever develop a buzz because a fret is worn out since they last much longer.
I'm using OOO but missed the quiz of No.6 and No.7.
Quite enjoyed this video!
Thank you!
Thanks. The straight forward explanation of the dementions and string length was very helpful. Got most wrong, which means I should get both in my hands. Thanks again
Got them all. The dreadnought sounds scooped and has substantially more attack/edge while the OOO has more roundness and balance. Dreadnoughts are cool for strumming but I really prefer OO and OOO for fingerstyle and flat picking.
@@Wesquire Wow! Great work! I really need to do some more recording with that 000. It’s a keeper, for sure.
@@BoydTimothy They are both nice, I just prefer the roundness of the OOO; however, that does mean a bit less "Hi-fi" sound while strumming.
I got every single one right. The bass response and volume is very apparent. The 000 was not as loud and brighter than the Dreadnought. Your description of the differences was very accurate and the audio reflected exactly what you said.
Wow! Nice work and thanks for dropping a comment about them.
000s are definitely not brighter than Dreads. Well all depends on the bracing. But usually short scales are warmer
Have been playing less than a year and I own two dreadnoughts and planning to add more guitars to the collection over the next few years. I was immediately drawn to dreads because my first choice was either a J45, Hummingbird, or HD28 - ultimately I choose the bird. Recently added a D18 and been planning to add the last two Gibson dreads I would really want before getting a 000, but you're really making this harder for me. Your 000 sounds really good! Great playing and great video!
Thanks. If you can find the right one, a 000 can really do well.
Both of those are beautiful guitars. I have a 1963 Martin D-28 that my Dad bought new and a 2015 Martin 000-16G
both nice guitars, but I love the 000....the scale length on this model Martin 000 is 25.4'' .
Great job on describing the guitars.
Thank you. You really can't go wrong with a good 000. I'll bet your '63 D28 sings nicely too!
@@BoydTimothy The '63 is like a grand piano.....just an amazing guitar.
Thanks for the video! I've historically been a 00 and 000 fan but universally preferred the dread here. May be a convert
Aced it! I Love the sound of Acoustic instruments. Vibrating Wood and Steel moving air, and Souls.✌
Nice! Congrats and thanks for watching. :)
That was fun. Wonderful playing
Thanks. Glad you liked it and thanks for the nice comment. :)
Great play!! It wasn't difficult. Some demos are confused but your demo is awesome. Easy to answer.
Please make another quiz.
Thanks! I'm planning on making another quiz soon using two Pre-War Guitars Dreadnought guitars that have different tone woods. It'll be fun to hear them back-to-back. Haven't had a chance yet because I recently had shoulder surgery, but I'm on the mend, so hopefully soon!
@@BoydTimothy Thank you!! Sounds great!! I hope your shoulder gets better and better. For a few years My arms and fingers have not been perfect to move so I changed the way I play. No play a guitar, no life for me.
I'm waiting for your new cool demo!!
My desert island guitar is a Zager ZAD80CE ! You can't understand until you play it. Zager is one of the best guitars for the money you could possibly buy.
The bass string tells the tale usually. The dread has stronger bass...usually, but a 000 is really nice to have sitting beside you when you just
want to pick up a guitar when you're sitting around. You hit the nail on the head...get them both. There's a new song in every different guitar.
Really nice playing. Thankd for posting. I have a 1963 Martin D-28 that my Dad bought new and a Martin 000-16 that I got new...and several
other guitars. My favorite guitar changes all the time, but I always see a new guitar that I'd like to have. I need help! 🙂
It does always seem that N+1 is the solution to all problems! :)
@@BoydTimothy Ain't that the truth! Have you ever watched some of the older videos of The Greekflatpicker (Yiannis) . He has some priceless videos of many different vintage and custom guitars. Yiannis is in Greece and super nice guy and a killer player too.
@@USNAVDC I've watched a number of his videos. He is such a great player! I've "borrowed" one of his many breaks to New Camptown Races. Amazing that he comes across so many different guitars. I like when he and his friend trade back flatpicking breaks.
and after getting the OOO, and the dread, get a mandolin, and then a banjo, and then a parlor, and then... :)
Splendid work - after playing acoustic for almost 50 years I only shot 3.
Keep up the good spirit
P.S. - I'd have to try them both live - but 99 % the dread would win.
@@Ziraffe2 Thanks for watching and for commenting. For sure, I'd likely choose the dread myself too, especially since I mostly play bluegrass. The 000 is fun to play on when I'm solo and even though it has the volume, it falls apart a little bit with too jangly of strings when trying to flatpick fast at a jam.
It is indeed a journey. Thank you
Great video!
Depends if the desert island is windy or near the crashing waves. I'll need the DN if so. If I can hunker down in a quiet area in my hut, then the 000. And in fact, thanks to you and this video, I've narrowed my search to the 000 size now. The articulation and dynamic range is better I think and I can amplify it for more volume if required. Great video, thank you.
Glad it helped. Thanks for commenting. The Pre*War 000 can certainly handle a lot. Good luck with your search!
Interesting comparison. Got 6 out of 7 (missed number 6). Also, somewhat surprisingly, liked the sound of the dreadnaught more! Did a blind test with my wife listening, a dreadnaught vs an OM (rosewoods). She also liked the dreadnaught better. Thanks
same here, also on 6 he played a little softer then louder on the 000 passage so it was a little confusing but agree, on all the others the dreadknaught sounded much better especially the E string.
Came across your great video. I have just bought a 000-28 (2015) after having listened to both the D-28 and the 000 extensively. Before playing your video I had a momentary “oh no”, did I choose wrong for what I wanted (primarily at home, relaxed, easy to handle). Got 6 out of 7 and absolutely reaffirmed that I made the right choice for me. Thanks so much!
Wow! Great ear and congrats on your 000! :)
Really like the blind comparison that forces you to only use your ears and eliminates visual bias. Got 5 out of 7. As far as a desert island guitar, probably the 000 since I'd be playing a lot of blues.
Nice work! 000 is an excellent choice. Wish I could play blues a little better. It’s a work in progress.
Awesome Info! Thanks for sharing!
Glad it was helpful! :)
Great video - I got 6 in 7. Could not tell in number 6. And reviewing the question again I still feel that the 000 sounds boomier in that particular clip. And generally I feel that the 000 records much nicer.
I have just sold my HD-28 because I found it too boomy and now I am awaiting delivery of a Recording King RD-328 all solid rosewood/adirondack 000 guitar. I hope it sounds something like yours - then it'll be great.
I feel my playing is changing. I am not as heavy handed as I used to be - and I rather want a slightly cheaper 000 that I can play on the couch or in the garden and not be worried when my children knock it over.
Great video, very consistent playing and most of all perfectly selected pieces to demonstrate the differences. I appreciated it alot!
Nice work! 6/7 I is better than I’ve ever done. You can’t go wrong with a 000 for sure. One thing I found recording my dread is the location I record makes a huge difference. I’ve since treated my room with acoustic panels and, more importantly, bass traps in the corners. That and mic placement make a huge difference. But for sure the body size difference affects the sound a lot. Best of luck with the RK. Sounds like it’ll be a great one!
I've got a couple dreads....now I want a 000. I like delta blues and want to learn new techniques (fingerpicking and slide) I've also become quite found of folk, country western and bluesgrass. I used to play hard rock and metal, now I play bass in a church but in my spare time, I play my acoustics. I LOVE dreadnaughgs but I would like a slightly smaller guitar for couch picking comfort.
I have a 1970 D28 and a 1953 00021. I can tell the difference between my two guitars, but only got one correct with your test. My desert island guitar would be my Jumbo, though. Beats them both in sound quality and volume.
6 out of 7 (I was wrong on the sixth question).
I'm saving for a OOO28 at the moment. I wanted something iconic, something really good sounding and something comfortable. It helps that I prefer the looks of the OOO's.
Thanks for the video!
Glad you liked it and nice job getting 6/7! Great plan to save up for a 000-28 too. Can't go wrong with one of those. :)
Earphones are a must to hear the difference.
You make a great point!
This could be a potential eye-opener for a lot of guitarists. I got 4/7 right, which is not better than chance. So it definitely challenged some of my big vs small body preconceptions. However the speakers/headphones can obviously affect the sound, and so I believe playing them yourself will better illustrate the differences.
Great point. Nothing beats first-hand experience. I'd also say that my 000 records really well. It has a very balanced sound where my dreadnought can get a little tricky because it has so much low end to it. I use medium gauge strings on both and that also contributes to a closer sound. A lot of people like to use lighter gauge strings on a 000 and that definitely makes it feel and sound quite a bit different. Thanks for reporting your score and for your insightful comment.
@@BoydTimothy I agree.
I’m mostly a fingerstyle guitarist myself, and it’s interesting because the first proper acoustic I bought was an mahogany Eastman E1-OM, that I ended up “trading” for a rosewood dreadnaught (Yamaha LL-16). It’s fantastic, but yes the bass is harder to control. I still have the credit locked in the store, so I might go pick up that Eastman again (like a fool, lol), but have a hard time deciding between the OM or the dreadnaught equivalent (E1D). I found the D to actually be more balanced in sound albeit more “boring” where as the OM was a bit boomy in the low mids (the reason I gave it back) - but it also had an incredible midrange sweetness to it. Just a little story on the difficulties of finding that “stranded-on-an-island-guitar”. Like you said, one needs both.
Thanks again for commenting and this excellent unbiased and blind comparison, there needs to more like this.
I only missed one, number 4. Great video, thanks!
Thanks for posting well thought out review
Thanks for watching and your kind comments.
Wonderfully done. My surprise is how close the two are. Sometimes I prefer the tone of the D and sometimes the 000. Got 6 of 7 though I was confident it was 7 of 7, but obviously not. Very surprised how loud the 000 is compared to the D.
Exactly
Thank you for an entirely enjoyable video. It turns out my ear is better than I thought; I only missed one. For my first guitar (the one I'm attempting to decipher now), I found a good used Yamaha electric-acoustic that happened to be a smaller (concert) size. Initially I was torn between a dreadnought or something smaller but the issue was decided by circumstance and so far it's turned out well.
I prefer the 000 because it sounds more even, fits my hands better, and sounds better with my voice. The 000-17 is a sleeper. Sounds great with the satin finish, and I prefered it to the 28s I played back to back with it
I’ve never even played a 000 in my life, so I only got 3 out of 7 questions right.
The examples with heavy strumming are really easy to tell, because a dreadnought has a recognizable “thump” to it.
I’m surprised, however, at how responsive the 000 is at fingerpicking. To my ears, it has a way better bass response in this style. This might be why I picked the wrong answers, because I mistakenly associate a dreadnought as having better bass in all style of play.
I agree. I usually associate a bigger bass response to a dreadnought but I also think it has a lot to do with the particular build of the 000 in question. I’ve never been a fan of the Martin-built ones from the 90’s and early 2000s with straight braces. Once they moved to scalloped bracing it made a huge difference. And then, of course, the modern ones built by Pre-War Guitars Co. are in a different league entirely because they are building them in the same way as a good 1930s specimen with scalloped bracing, hide glue, etc.
I got 6 out of 7. Love the comfortably of a 000 but will need to compare in person to decide
super thanks, loved it!
5/7 for me! However when you acculy see the guitars - then it all makes sense hahah :)
Hello Boyd like the video and great playing ' I've just got a new Martin 000 28 reimadgend ' I like it very much prefer the shape ' I agree with you It's more of a late night guitar ' but also like the big sound of a dreadnought . I got 4 out of 7 in the test .
Regards John
Thanks for your comments. I'm glad I'm not the only one who got fooled in the test by a couple of them. The Martin 000-28 is a great guitar and I love the neck width and bridge spacing they're currently doing - exactly the same specs as both my PW guitars.
I agree get both. On a desert island I’d have the Dread. It’s louder and may attract more attention.
That was very good and instructive. Thanks. I was right 4 Times on the basis of pronounced base. It was more difficult for me to distinguish midtones between the two guitars. I was using apple ear phones. Good job.
This was an excellent video. I got 5 out of 7 correct. The D had a much boomier base and that is what I was listening for. Both sounded great, but I"m not sure which one I prefer.
Thanks, and great work getting that many right. It's more difficult than you think. Hard to pick which one I like the most although 8 times out of 10 choose my dread ... but only because I mostly play bluegrass.
I was 3/7 on the quiz (guessing the dreadnought) and I own and play both a Martin Dread and 000.
Great side by side comparison. Most comparisons drag out and you forget what the other sounded like. This was done right. All personal preference though. Either guitar can be played for whatever you want. Crosby and Nash played Martin dreadnoughts exclusively, with lots of finger style stuff...sounded great. Willie Nelson played a Martin N-20 (nylon string), and played it every which way you can play a guitar....sounded great. Buy the one you want, and play it however you please.
Totally true. You can get a lot of use out of either of these guitars. Thx for watching and for your thoughts. I do find though that the 000 falls a tiny bit short when I want to flat pick really quickly. The strings are just too loose because it's a short-scale that they feel a bit jangly. That same phenomenon doesn't happen on my dread.
I want to say I hear bit more jingle/loose string sound on 000 and bit more bass on Dreadnought but it's not obvious when listening even with a fancy Sennheiser HD800S and a dedicated headphone amplifier. I have listened to many many of these comparison recordings and really a minor difference between the two. I FEEL the difference when played back to back. Loudness volume difference when standing in front of someone else playing. Here is my bottom line. Dred is great to play in front of big audience acoustically (Everything becomes meaningless the moment I use any sort of transducers to amplify) or in a mood to FEEL that vibration. 000 is great for all day playing and recordings for the comfort. If I am allowed to pick one guitar then 000 for versatility. I had both and I always start with Dred to get the feel and vib and switch to 000 for the rest of the day.
I couldn't have said it better. That's a really great explanation about these two styles. Thanks!
Super film ! :)
Thank you!
I like the orchestra model best. It has the smaller body of the 000 but the longer scale of the dreadnaught
I am a little bit late to join your quiz but all my answers were correct. It took twice for me to listen to quiz number 6, again my answer was still correct. I have Martin D-13E a cheap version of your Dreadnought that's why I cannot find any difficulties to differentiate the sound . Enjoyable quiz. Thanks Mate.
Way to go! Thanks for your comment and you’re among the lucky ones who has gotten them all correct. I’ve taken it myself a few times and have missed a couple.
@@BoydTimothy can't wait for your next quizzes. 👍
@@vivattt I recently released another one comparing two dreadnoughts with different tone woods that you might like: ua-cam.com/video/42a8b0Qh01U/v-deo.html
I managed to get 6 out of 7. I failed on Q6. Not bad.
Thanks for the quiz!
I used to play a dreadnaught im the beginning but im a small guy and hurts my shoulder so i went for a 000x1e. I enjoyed playing more and practice on picking lately.
6! That's a pretty good score. My dreadnought's out of commission for a couple weeks, but my 000 is filling in very nicely. Thanks for watching and reporting your score. Keep on picking!
I also got 6 of 7, and it was ALSO number 6 that I had backwards! Guess we have the same ears!
Nice playing! I could hear the differences, and do enjoy LOTS of BASS, I think the 000 sounds terrific, pretty amazing, for what it is! Both sounded great! If my son was playing SOLO on a desert island, I'd probably prefer to hear the drednought, but IF there were two (or even three) of us and I had a bass (and then drums or improvised percussion), probably the 000.
I got the right answers all the time but inverted the two guitars !!!
Nice! Hey, at least your ear is consistent. :)
Same hehe
Wow. I need to go back to school. :) What surprised me is how good the Dread sounded when I thought for sure it was a 000.
I felt the opposite. Amazing how the 000 held up with certain strengths of a dread
I got 5/7 I grew up playing a 000 for many years and still love its "pocket" feel. Never a fan of dreads even though I love bluegrass. Lately I have been a fan of small jumbos and have a Collings C-100, Gibson J-185 and a Martin J-40. All awesome but different. I think they are a blend between 000 and Dread.
For a desert island guitar, I’d choose a 000. Not many bluegrass jams on desert islands! Plus I’d appreciate the shorter scale length/lower tension while playing the blues and awaiting my rescue.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but great choice!😄
6/7 for me. Great playing! I love the sound of both but i prefer the 000.
Good job. I think overall my 000 gets more play time, but if I'm performing live (which will eventually happen again), I'm usually toting the dread.
Great video. I personally prefer the 000 because most of the time I'm playing at home and don't need the Dreadnought boom. That being said, there is nothing like strumming open chords on a Dreadnought outside in a park when you can let her rip. I'm not even sure the sound is that distinct. It's that rumble feeling the Dreadnought provides that make it fun. And I say that as someone that loves 000s and just one Dreadnought for a reason.
It's fun when you can use guitars for what they were designed to
I like the Dread inside too. Idk. I just like the sound of a dread
Bravo l'Artiste et Merci. Jean (FRANCE)
thanks for the nice test, ...and if you hesitate try a j45!
Good one !
Nice guitars. I missed the first one, but got the rest correct! I've played dreads for a long time, but lately been playing something similar to the OOO. For me it's the slight "quacky" sound that I can be heard in the smaller body guitars, along with the bass response
Nice work! For sure, most 000 guitars I’ve played have something quite a bit different than dreads. Most of the 15-30yr old Martin 000 guitars (before they recently changed them to thinner and scalloped bracing) don’t sound that great to me. I like what they’ve done in their recent builds and Pre-War’s 000, to me, produces quite an incredible clear tone.
i got 4B, 5A, 6B wrong. I have a 2019 Martin D35. after a year of playing it regularly, it has opened up and sings loud & proud. I'll have no other, unless it is a custom build for about $8K! In which case all factory builds will fade and fail in comparison. I have a luthier here in N Texas, Ralph Walker. Noone makes a better steel string, classical or mandolin than he!
Well I got the first four right. I have a D-18 and an Eastman OM (same as 000). I can tell them apart😉. I agree with your assessment of both 100%. Great video.
Nice job! It’s definitely harder to pick them out than I though they’d be. In person it’s a little easier. Thanks for your comment. :)
16:04 I second-guessed number six and got it wrong. But I got the rest of them right. I have a D-18 and an Eastman E6OM. Love them both!
haha - this is a good one 👍
6/7 for me.
I've got a nice Martin OM and a Taylor Jumbo.
But I love the sound and overall feel of a D guitar very much and think the time will come that a nice D28 will joyn my collection :)
Very nice instruments and playing btw!!
Thanks! Nice score to only miss one. I’ve been doing some recording of some songs I’ve written and have been finding that my 000 is a lot more balanced and needs less EQ treatment to remove (barely) certain low frequencies. My dread I have to pull down certain lower frequencies in order to make it not be too boomy. But, when playing live with others there’s nothing more satisfying than the big bottom end of my dread.
The newer D28 guitars that Martin is making right now are pretty stellar. I wouldn’t mind picking one of those up myself. :)
Awesome video thanks
I got 4 out of 7 correct. I'm pretty surprised because in the first few questions, the differences are easy to spot, but for me it became less so in the later questions. My main instrument is a dread, but I recently bought an OM because I find them more comfortable to play in general. But I do prefer the sound of a dread slightly. If my next guitar is a dread with the wider nut width and maybe a slightly chunkier neck than my Martin, I may have my perfect guitar.
Nice job! I think I prefer dreadnought most of the time, especially playing out with friends. You might try one of the traditional series of Collings. Their necks have seemed a bit more chunky to me, but maybe I'm just forgetting. :)
You can definitely get a very chunky neck on a Martin dread
I have hog 000, hummingbird, j15, Eastman dread and 000 and a good all solid j200 copy. I can tell each, by sound, individually when I first play them but after a few minutes they all start to sound very much like at least one of the others. I did get most of the quiz right though.
I totally agree with you, dreadnought with the band and ooo by myself, therefore in the desert island, I can imagine that it would be all by myself, ooo is the answer ps I got 5 test right and in 4 (2, 3, 4 and 7) I prefered ooo and (1, 5 and 6) I like dreadnought more
In the hands of a skilled performer, either instrument will closely hold the attention of a responsive listener.
Spot on!
Bingo
5 of 7 correct. I would like to hear the same guitars with D'Addario strings.
I played Dreadnaughts for years, eventually favoring the 12 fret D-18S and variants ( I have owned 5).
I currently have a 1997 Martin 0000-1 and a 2015 00-18V with highly flamed mahogany backs and sides.
Were I to choose between a Dread and a 000... I would choose an OM.. the 000 with a 25.4 scale but with a proper full sized pickguard. Over the years I find that I much prefer the sound and playability of smaller guitars. I play with 12 guage strings and have developed a lighter touch, so no need for a dread.
Excellent presentation.. liked and subscribed.
PS Nice playing, nice guitars.
Thanks from So Oregon.
GREAT video...I missed just 2...found it depended on the song/riff sometimes caused me to miss. BTW I have both 🙂
Ah, great work! Thanks for giving it a go. I've missed a couple myself when I've taken the quiz so don't feel to bad. Great to have both of them to pick on.
Love the playing comfort and inspiration I get from a 000, but the dread has the tone. What can you do but buy both? 🤷♂️
Perfectly said! :)
"What can you do but buy both?"
Honestly, I feel guilty that I don't play my single acoustic often enough to keep it in top shape, so it just sits there and gets older by useless string tension.
The more I play her, the better she sounds. And it's a 25yo WRC top, which does not require much work to get it going.
My nephew got himself a spruce top acoustic, but then transitioned to electric. His guitar is not even broken in. She sounds dead as a doornail. But those strings pull on her 24/7 for several years already...
@@bakters - Sorry to hear your time is in such short supply. I regularly play 4-5 guitars at home and they sound great. Have a travel guitar I enjoy several times a year as well. Fun and great sounding for what it is.
@@jamesmartin9406 "I regularly play 4-5 guitars at home and they sound great"
Well, what if you played just one. All the time. Then tell me if they (all) still sound great.
Or, to put it differently, pick one and play it a lot, while you "exercise" all the rest, just to make it fair.
The most played guitar will sound the best, as long as you picked the one which fundamental sound you already like.
@@bakters - I like to play different sizes and wood makeups to much to focus just on one. Works for me. I’m in this for the fun of it. Nothing more.
I thought this would be EZ. Expected to blow one or two, but to my embarrassment, I missed them all!!! I've been playing for over 50 years. I don't play a 000, but one of my guitars is a Dreadnought. So, maybe I do need to buy a 000 and learn that tone???
You can never go wrong by having one of each. :)
Go for it! Variety is the spice of life!
I got#6 wrong. "Get 'em both" that's the truth. I own a 2005 Carlo Robelli D-28 mahogany knockoff and a 1973 rosewood Giannini 000 knockoff. I set them up myself. Bone nuts and saddles, wood bridge pins, Grovers etc. Each cost way less than $200. They sound very similar to the two Pre*War guitars here. So, even a well purchased and cared for inexpensive guitar will serve you well. On that desert isle I'd bring.........
I'm not sure which one is which but they both sound really nice
Do they not make a 000-2018 anymore? Cant seem to find it. That would be my dream configuration. Didnt know it existed
@@slazper You should email / call them and ask. They may not advertise it openly on their website, but it may be something they would still build.
So far, it’s been dreads, but I keep trying the smaller bodied ones too.m
I got 3 wrong, all fingerstyle or single note ones. strumming I got all right.
great advice
0/7 right. I managed to consistently flip them. I am going to guess I have good ears, but my perception of what they are supposed to sound like is wrong? "shrugs"
Wow! Interesting that you had them flipped, but that consistency is better than how I did on my own quiz. Thanks for trying it out. :)
6 out of 7. Missed #3...the different characters of the guitars weren't as apparent to me on that one. Still, not bad, I reckon. :-)
Yup. Better than a lot of us. Good work!
Just for kicks I just took it again (it's been a while and I purposely haven't memorized the order). I only got 4 of the 7 correct. Doh! Now that the 000 is over a year old I think it sounds significantly warmer than the dread. I'll have to do a re-cap sometime this year with fresh strings on both and see if it's easier to differentiate.
Exactly the same here! Got all of them right except #3.
exactly the same as me. i also missed 3.
I regret buying my OM 28V back in 2006, instead of buying a D28. My budget would too overloaded to own both, so I have been trying to swop my OM28V for a D28. So far no-one has shown any serious interest. The D28 to my ears is far better and fuller sounding to do the Neil Young covers I enjoy doing. And it's bass response is far better to my ears.
I really, really want to like smaller body guitars, but I picked the dreadnaught every time.
I know right, small body is just so cozy and accessible. But once you hear that dreadnaught thump it’s hard to go back.
Get an OM, size of the 000 but with the scale length of the dreadnought. Get a little more punch and volume.
Same
I love Both ....so i adopt 3 Martin M (0000)...one mahogany, one indian rosewood and ondé brazilian .....what' Else !
All right except for number 7
Nice work!
My conclusion from this video is that there really isn’t much of a difference in sound between the Pre-War D-size and OOO when you mike them the way you did (i.e. not really close-miked), capo them up the neck, etc. I guess that if you mostly play unamplified at bluegrass or old time jams, having a really loud dreadnaught could really make life easier. You left out nut width/string separation as a variable, which has a lot of importance to finger-style players (most dreads have 1 11/16” nut while OOOs are more likely to to be 1 3/4”). You also muddied the water somewhat by putting mediums on the OOO (who puts mediums on a OOO? I would argue that most OOOs aren’t built to take mediums). I think that the fingerstyle vs plectrum playability is the main reason to have both. My desert-island guitar is an OM (OOO-size with a long scale and a 1 3/4” nut).
Thanks for the comments! My studio is currently torn apart waiting for new carpet, but I’d love to add a follow-up video to this one. I have much better microphones (some DIY KM-84 clones I made) and a good way to stereo mic my guitars.
My two guitars featured in this video both ave a 1 3/4” neck and the exact same bridge spacing. You’re right, I ventured out of the norm by using mediums on my 000. My particular 000 handles mediums perfectly. The purpose of my video was to keep as many things consistent as possible and in this case, the woods are the same (both mahogany back and sides and Adirondack tops). For sure, they’d sound a lot less different if I put light gauge strings on the 000 - but then I probably wouldn’t play it as much (personal preference). Haha.
@@BoydTimothy Hi Timothy. Thanks for this nice comparison. 🙏 Just a few moments ago I saw some other videos of you. One where you're comparing this two guitars with a 000-18 and a HD-28V Clone. And one where you compared the Pre-War Mod. D to your former D-18 Authentic 1938. So to my ears all were absolutely stunning and beautiful sounding guitars...at least all the hog ones 😅Is the neck of your own Pre-War Mod. D with its 1 3/4" nutwidth more comfortable to you than the more modern 1 11/16" neck that you had on the Mod. D for temporary loan? Doesn't your own has a 2 5/16" bridge string spacing? Just curious how it works for strumming and flatpicking? Unfortunately there's no Pre-War Dealer here in Germany. Cheers
@@Lutze_en_voyage Thank you! The Pre-War Model D guitar that I ordered and own has a 1 3/4” nut width and 2 3/16” bridge spacing, which is right about what Martin has been doing with their more recent D-18 & D-28 guitars. I find that to be the sweet spot for me. The 2 5/16” bridge spacing, which is normal for vintage spec, feels a bit too much to me. The extra space from the 1 3/4” and 2 3/16” (compared with the 1 11/16” necks) seems to make flat picking a bit easier because you can play more “through” the string and my pick has a little bit more space to move around. I feel like I can flat pick more cleanly with the wider spacing. But, that’s just me. I had to special order the 2 3/16” bridge spacing, but haven’t ever regretted it. Strumming seems to work equally well for me on either width of the necks. I can get by with 1 11/16” fine enough, but I definitely prefer the 1 3/4”.
@@BoydTimothy Thanks Timothy for your reply. Even if neck profiles are a very personal choice I found your descriptions and impressions of your guitar very helpful. 👍 It confirmed me that the combination of 1 3/4" and 2 3/16" would be the perfect choice for me too.. The 2 5/16" always looka a bit wide for me and I feel 2 1/4" bridge spacing is max for me to comfortably strum and flatpick. Good to know that it's possible to combine the two dimensions that your Pre War has. Didn't know because their website just lists 1 11/16" to 2 3/16" or 1 3/4" to 2 5/16". Did you paid extra for these specs? May I ask you what you're doing for a living? Are you a musician?
Have a nice day.
@@Lutze_en_voyage The best way to find out if you’d like the spacing of the 1 3/4” nut and 2 3/16” bridge spacing would be to try out one of the modern Martin D-18 guitars. I didn’t pay extra to have them build that neck. It was a custom order and I gave them the specs I wanted on it. Both my D and 000 from them have the same spacing on the neck and bridge. If you put in a custom order and wanted the same neck, you can literally ask them for the same neck they built on mine (Boyd’s Model D) and they’ll know what it is. ;) I’m a software engineer by trade and am lucky to have music be a hobby. Yes, I'm also a musician. Look up the bluegrass band I'm in, Basin & Grange. We just released our first album.
While I guessed almost all of them, some were dam close, and that's saying alot considering an 000 is a small body short scale. You get the right 000 and you won't be able to put it down
This was fun. i got #4 & 7 wrong.
stumped by question 3
Personally I consider a drednaught a “XL” guitar and the OOO as a large or “regular sized” guitar. The OO personally is What I think is the sweet spot for the average sized person who wants to sit and play guitar comfortably. If you’re standing a dred or even the jumbo aren’t to bad. But that’s just my 2 cents and 2 cents won’t buy you shit these days lol
Also, my jumbo, Dread and 000 are all the same scale length so I don’t know what he’s talking about. My L-OO and my taylor GS mini both have shorter scales but not by much. The L-00 is just slightly smaller and the mini needs med. strings to have the same tension as light or “regular” strings
Good perspective. I also think it depends on the size of the ensemble. When it's just me, the 000 works great but put me in a loud acoustic jam and I definitely want my dread. Singing and performing solo with a mic? A smaller-bodied guitar does the trick really well. Such good tone too.
@@EveyoneCallsMeTheDude 000s are supposed to be short scale. OM is the same scale as a dread
Which one would you recommend for someone who wants to start learning?
Great question. If it’s someone younger or with smaller hands the 000 is a bit more manageable because the frets are closer together (it’s a shorter neck). If none of that is a concern, maybe consider what kinds of songs and style of playing. If you’ll be playing with a number of other instruments, a dreadnought generally has more volume. Finger style and blues are more common on a 000.
As you can see from the video both can cross over to play any style. So it boils down to personal preference as well.
Can you name some OOO s that will "knock the socks off a dreadnought" for me? Particularly ones with a lot of Bass
Another question, is Mahogany or Rosewood back and sides better for the Dread or OOO ?
I have a dread with the mahogany back and sides and have the opportunity to buy the same OOO with Mahogany or Rosewood...which one do i go for?
Excellent question. The trick in answering that is that "best" is subjective. When I was comparing Martin 000-18 vs 000-28 I always gravitated back to mahogany, but maybe that's because that's what I prefer to begin with. I played a spectacular 000-granadillo made by Pre-War Guitars Co. last week at IBMA in Raleigh, NC. If I could re-order my 000 I would likely order one of those. It's a really good mixture of both mahogany and rosewood tones - a little deeper than mahogany. In my experience, a mahogany guitar is much more clear, precise, and to the point while rosewood seems to have a little more bottom end and more overtones (a little more complex sound). I like the clarity mahogany gives me. All that being said, I wouldn't mind having another in rosewood just for variety. ;)
@@BoydTimothy yeah I love my Recording king RD318, such an excellent sound for not much money
@@BoydTimothy Honestly that Granadillo sounds like Brazilian to me. Which is why I'd pick it for a 000. Or Indian even. I prefer Mahogany on dreads. Rosewood or close to that Rosewood sound on smaller bodies. Makes up for the loss in bass imo
@@el34glo59 Yeah, I’m still kinda regretting not ordering Granadillo for my 000. Maybe at some point I’ll swap someone or sell mine and re-order. PW does an amazing job with any tone wood that you can’t really go wrong with whatever you pick.
I like mahogany on the dreads but I like rosewood for smaller guitars. I have a D18 and I really want a 000-28.
I got all 14 wrong? As with most guitar brands, there is only one good test, Play it yourself. Some "lesser " name brands have beautiful sound and action. Play a lot of different guitars!
4/7 correct. Fair enough! Hahaha.. Honestly, I’m a 000 lover given my preference on Jazz,.
Nice work! Lately I’ve been favoring my 000 because I think I might like how much warmer it sounds in person. :) Jazz is awesome!
@@BoydTimothy Thanks man! Indeed, it is!
I got them all, surprised me..............
Wow, nice job!