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  • Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
  • Buddy & his band on the Val Doonican show circa 1979 from Anty.Buddy shouts something like'Go ahead old man'to Steve Marcus as they launch into Love for Sale.The soloists are:Andy Fusco,Mike McGovern,& Steve Marcus

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  • @mcgovnor1
    @mcgovnor1 13 років тому +56

    the trumpet soloist is me! Mike McGovern..and thanks for taking note..no..pun intended!

    • @GeneTrujillo
      @GeneTrujillo 6 років тому +7

      I was noticing, kick ass trumpet solo!

    • @cryptohunt2552
      @cryptohunt2552 6 років тому +4

      Michael McGovern Still playing, Mike?

    • @Nomfyy
      @Nomfyy 6 років тому +9

      He is sadly no longer with us.

    • @tuxguys
      @tuxguys 6 років тому +5

      But his UA-cam account lives on...

    • @arame29
      @arame29 4 роки тому +4

      Mike you nailed it! Very unique. When Buddy reacts like that, you know its special

  • @philipsummers9682
    @philipsummers9682 2 місяці тому +1

    My favourite tune performed by Buddy and his incredible big band , .. to witness the band live as I did several times , awesome 👍

  • @JonathanVieker
    @JonathanVieker 5 років тому +9

    Mike McGovern KILLING it at 3:36. Even Buddy is impressed at 3:43. RIP, Mike.

  • @kungfuninja55
    @kungfuninja55 12 років тому +3

    Every time I see a big band it reassures me that Big Band is the best music genre out there.

  • @JoeNocella
    @JoeNocella 14 років тому +6

    Buddy was about 62 yrs.old here. He was so youthful and energetic. He is a total inspiration to any drummer alive today. He never thought about getting old and that's probably why he was so great until the day he died. We miss you Buddy.

  • @lalva5798
    @lalva5798 3 роки тому +2

    Buddy commanded perfection which is why they’re so incredibly tight...AMAZING!

  • @michaelives1018
    @michaelives1018 3 роки тому +1

    His intensity is unmatched. It’s like an over wound spring breaks loose on his single stroke fill. Wow!!!!!

  • @jsbruzina
    @jsbruzina 14 років тому +3

    I swear, Buddy is bionic with those single strokes ...... damn!

  • @GosokuRyuYodan
    @GosokuRyuYodan 3 роки тому +3

    Very spirited version! Notice Buddy giving props to trumper player, who wailed! Never seen Buddy impressed like that!

  • @MarkR1957
    @MarkR1957 15 років тому +1

    MrDrumact - This snare here is the Ludwig SupraPhonic chrome over steel shell, the same one that Joe Morello made so popular.
    When Buddy was with Ludwig, he used this one and also a bronze shell snare.
    Contrary to what you have been told, I have never seen Buddy use a Black Beauty with his set ~

  • @ralphhale5711
    @ralphhale5711 7 років тому +5

    Great performance. Gotta love when the sound engineers get it right.

  • @cadillacdude1975
    @cadillacdude1975 16 років тому +2

    i have seen Buddy's band play this song several times here on UA-cam, and i think that this is the tightest i have heard his band perform this song to date.
    on another note, the Ludwig drums have a perfect sound and with the drum break towards the end, is the best i have heard this song wrapped up also.
    RIP Buddy and Steve.

  • @polara01
    @polara01 6 років тому +2

    OMG 3:43 - 3:58 Pure trumpet heaven! Never heard a trumpet passage played in such a smooth, melodic fashion with breathtaking dynamics...the look of approval coming from Buddy says it all. Thank God this was captured on film for all to enjjoy! Mike that was phenomenally inspiring, and I'm a drumme lol. Thanks, Bob Marsz

    • @bigswingface5847
      @bigswingface5847 6 років тому +1

      Mike McGovern, one of B's better trumpet soloists, who sadly died this year.

  • @kimrunic5874
    @kimrunic5874 9 років тому +3

    My all time favourite BR arrangement

  • @bigd-1-channel514
    @bigd-1-channel514 7 років тому +2

    Ya man, that was great to see and hear.

  • @tuxguys
    @tuxguys 6 років тому

    (I don't care what decade it is, what incarnation of this band it is, I never get tired of this arrangement.)
    Rich, with tenor sax veteran Steve Marcus (who is brilliant, as always), knocks the socks off of a British, all-Caucasian, largely-Wasp audience, with American Music...
    ...which means directly (Big Band Swing and Jazz), and indirectly (American Musical Theater/Cole Porter)...
    African-American Music.
    And all of this, just about a year before he handed me my diploma, upon my graduation from the World's Most Famous Music School, in Boston.

  • @keatswilson
    @keatswilson 16 років тому

    Its so nice to hear a group of musicians play with such precision. The solos were brilliant and you could tell that the performers were enjoying every moment of it. 5*

  • @6801ls350
    @6801ls350 11 років тому

    The funnest band to ever watch!!!

  • @Fencemaster
    @Fencemaster Рік тому

    Ah well thanks AGAIN MikeBuddy for another great post.
    I'm sat at my desk here looking at a TDK D-C90 (audio cassette) I recorded off the TV on to, when I was fourteen, with one of those ancient piano key cassette recorders with a built-in condenser microphone.
    I'd been taken by my dad to see BR & his orchestra live for the first time ever (after thirteen years of my dad playing him on vinyl most days) at the Davenport Theater, in Stockport, near Manchester here in the UK, the previous year to this.
    For me it's just not about Buddy Rich being 'really good at drumming', that's more the Weckls / Colaiutas of the world. Buddy Rich WAS the drums as far as I was concerned, but it was always way more than that.
    There was the show business legacy too. The ridiculous stories about Vaudeville when he was 18 months old, the Tommy Dorsey, Frank Sinatra, Count Basie pedigree and accompanying stories / legends / urban myths.
    If you've ever read the harrowing Sammy Davis Jnr biography, 'YES I CAN', you'll know there was way more to Buddy Rich than just being 'a really good drummer'. Look out for it if you haven't read it, add it to your Christmas list this year. Even Miles Davis had good words to say about him. How many other drummers have you seen as guests on TV chat shows or TV shows like this one in the past - I don't know - in the many years since we lost Buddy?
    Anyway, that's what you got, when turfing up at the now long-since demolished theater in Stockport, on a bleak, cold North West night. Your dad chain smoking Benson & Hedges, while driving the Austin Maxi, a terrible 1970s British car, from Warrington, an equally terrible British town (with nothing going for it apart from easy access to the M6 and M56).
    You got a short glimpse into another world, one that seemed a long way from the harsh daily reality of life.
    That's why these even shorter TV appearances were like gold dust then, why I've hung on to that C-90 for 43 years.
    That's a long way of saying THANKS FOR POSTING!

  • @Bluesman549
    @Bluesman549 11 років тому +2

    I've been listening to Buddy do this song (and many others) for years. I've seen him play it in every type of setting, etc. In spite of this, the riffs he played in this version between 5:00 and 5:30 had me jumping off of my chair and laughing. I gave up playing drums seriously many years ago after I heard this guy. Nobody has ever been able to do what he could do with a big band.. Nobody. Ever. Period.

    • @blockhax6146
      @blockhax6146 7 років тому

      Bluesman549 that roll feel is fucking incredible. he's got such a style that is just un matched by anyone today

    • @Johnnycdrums
      @Johnnycdrums 5 років тому +1

      If you're not first, you're last,......... is a bad way of thinking.

  • @kahjazz
    @kahjazz 10 років тому +3

    No comment. Best.

  • @Mink-yu8nu
    @Mink-yu8nu 4 роки тому +1

    I bet those Ronnie Scott's shows were amazing.

  • @spencerholman8653
    @spencerholman8653 8 років тому +2

    trumpet solo magic

  • @tomcalderaro7164
    @tomcalderaro7164 7 років тому +1

    Very nice.

  • @Commandergree143
    @Commandergree143 11 років тому

    I LOVE BUDDY'S MUSIC!!!!!

  • @bedrock2000
    @bedrock2000 11 років тому

    that was awesome! As good as he gets!

  • @bigbreadeaterellis
    @bigbreadeaterellis 16 років тому

    now this is a rare video clip!
    i remember the val donican show from the 70s
    but can't remember seeing this...thanks mike

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  15 років тому

    My drum teacher had a set of Fibes which i used to play on and they sounded great.He was sponsered by Premier,yet he loved the sound of those Fibes Drums.

  • @harrysmallenburg
    @harrysmallenburg 16 років тому

    Great! Great! Great! Ferocious playing. Thanks for posting this.

  • @johnastrup1549
    @johnastrup1549 2 роки тому

    At the end BUDDY playes the Best drive/swing.💪🥁⭐🇺🇲

  • @markpmar0356
    @markpmar0356 15 годин тому

    This is one of my favorite charts from BR's band and I believe it's best incarnation was actually in the 60s, no disrespect to this fine reiteration.

  • @ernestovai7597
    @ernestovai7597 4 роки тому

    That trumpet solo wowww!!!

  • @acrookedking
    @acrookedking 13 років тому +1

    The sweater is what gives him his drumming powers...

  • @bedrock2000
    @bedrock2000 11 років тому

    very cool-original and imaginative!

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  16 років тому +2

    i don't believe this.Mike McGovern you are one of my fav.players on buddys band at that time.i've just got a post from Glenn Franke Tmb.who was in that band 78-81.I loved your playing on Joy Spring.I'm putting up another vid of you with buddy's band, Montreux 78 (mellow tone) buddy's reaction while you're playing that solo says it all.Thanks man

  • @groucho70
    @groucho70 15 років тому

    This music IS alive and well and is being played by Chad Rager. I've seen him live with his 8pc band the Chad Rager Groove and he and they smoke!
    Someone told me he's putting together a full big band to tour with. . . that should be AWESOME!

  • @huyhoquocho
    @huyhoquocho 16 років тому

    I just had an audition at Kean University and Prof. Fusco loved me =].

  • @julesickdrums
    @julesickdrums 15 років тому

    thats an awesome sax

  • @philenns6797
    @philenns6797 8 років тому +2

    HOT .... all the way down the line!

  • @drummerboy2521
    @drummerboy2521 3 роки тому +1

    I just love what he always do at 5:21

  • @Beauxdeauxfinglok
    @Beauxdeauxfinglok 14 років тому

    Wish I could have just hung out with Buddy once.

  • @davidhinton3595
    @davidhinton3595 2 роки тому

    The ever solid Steve Marcus.

  • @marksevel7696
    @marksevel7696 3 роки тому

    Insane perfection

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  15 років тому

    Happy Birthday Dude!

  • @Startac2007
    @Startac2007 7 років тому +1

    Wooooo!!!!

  • @nifer279
    @nifer279 12 років тому

    AWESOME DRUMMER

  • @cadillacdude1975
    @cadillacdude1975 14 років тому

    that was the master.

  • @bedrock2000
    @bedrock2000 11 років тому

    he's great!

  • @screamingismyair
    @screamingismyair 13 років тому +1

    we're playing for our jazz abnd concert

  • @davidmalick6608
    @davidmalick6608 9 років тому +2

    That was fast!

  • @rhampton1914
    @rhampton1914 15 років тому

    Let's nor forget about the Bass Player. I am really hearing some serious grooves. I think he's awesome at that Bass.

  • @waltgdrums1
    @waltgdrums1 10 років тому

    A bit blurry but the snare looks to me to be a Ludwig Super Sensitive which is basically a Supraphonic with extended snare wire mechanism/strainer. Saw Buddy live at least 30 times between 1972-1986. First time @ Buddy's Place in NYC with the sextet. Basie and Illinois Jacquet sat in that night. Magic. I miss Buddy.

  • @TheEddieLandsberg
    @TheEddieLandsberg 4 роки тому

    Are the twelve people who thumbed down this people who got balled out on the bus on the famous BR tapes? :-o LOVE FOR SALE is my favorite BUDDY RICH arrangement. I think its because you get to hear Buddy's enormous drive even in the role of accompanist. The energy is just SO there on each and every note (not that it wasn't typical of him, but I think this arrangement is TEXT BOOK Buddy!)

  • @stefanodeblasio
    @stefanodeblasio 3 роки тому

    Oh my God!

  • @cadillacdude1975
    @cadillacdude1975 16 років тому

    yeah Steve left us in '05 i do believe. he was 66 if memory serves. wikipedia is where i saw it.

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  15 років тому

    Will do that thanks.
    One of my fav.Brubeck albums is we're all together again for the first time (rec.live in europe '73) with dawson extending on take five.Don't know what drums he is using but the drums & cymbols sound great.

  • @acedrumminman
    @acedrumminman 15 років тому

    Lead Alto..Chuck Wilson...Irst Tenor..Steve Marcus...Andy Fusco, Gary Pribeck, Turk Mauro

  • @cadillacdude1975
    @cadillacdude1975 14 років тому

    love the hi-hat fill leading into Steve's solo at 4:11 to 4:13 .

  • @as5a900
    @as5a900 3 роки тому

    That guy has got some balls to lean on Buddy's drums!

  • @MarkR1957
    @MarkR1957 15 років тому

    Dawson used his Fibes set for this recording, and as far as cymbals, not sure of his crash and hats, but I know he used to use an A Zildjian Mini Cup Ride from time to time.
    He was a Zildjian endorser ~

  • @arame29
    @arame29 9 років тому +2

    One of the better versions, the tempo is a little more relaxed although not as slow as the one on Big Swing Face.
    Fusco, Mcgovern and Marcus all shine as well as strong ensemble playing.
    Wayne Pedziwater on bass, RIP great talent.

    • @tunefultonyjohnson4100
      @tunefultonyjohnson4100 9 років тому +1

      +Andrew Chaplowit ::: On the "Big Swing Face" album, Buddy got the tempo of LOVE FOR SALE exactly right, but here it feels too rushed and too much like a f**king express train... Sorry, but that's just my honest opinion, buddy.

    • @erzug
      @erzug 8 років тому +2

      +tunefultony johnson Based on most, if not all, of the UA-cam videos of Buddy playing this tune, including the half dozen times I saw him perform LFS live during the late 60's, 70's, and 80's, the tempo on the album was the slowest I've ever heard.

    • @Johnnycdrums
      @Johnnycdrums 5 років тому

      @@tunefultonyjohnson4100 ; I don't mind this tempo nearly as much as the way he played "Machine" live many times.
      I just love the studio recorded tempo of "Machine" from the album "The New One" (1967).

    • @Johnnycdrums
      @Johnnycdrums 5 років тому

      @@erzug ; I feel the tune works best at uptempo stripper rhythm, while at the same time realizing you can get away with a higher speed if performed as an instrumental.
      The last live Harry James version I watched on UA-cam is almost unrecognizable to me as "Love For Sale" although the tempo is, in my mind, what the tune calls for, if done instrumentally.

  • @mcgovnor1
    @mcgovnor1 14 років тому +2

    @moscaw
    hi i'm the trumpet soloist
    mike m

  • @loudrimshot
    @loudrimshot 13 років тому

    @Tiahur76 It's still out there. Big band is alive and well. I play in an 18 piece big band. It is the most fun I have ever had as a drummer.

  • @JeanieBarton
    @JeanieBarton 13 років тому

    They were definitely holding something back..

  • @neri65
    @neri65 15 років тому

    this was uploaded on my birthday ;D
    lol thanks for the vid i really enjoyed it
    buddy is just the best!

  • @romodig
    @romodig 15 років тому +2

    One of my favorite arrangements. I heard it live in NYC. Buddy "drives" the band in this song like Michael Schumacher drives a Formula one race car. They did this arrangement on "Burning for Buddy" but can't approach the way he does it. Does anyone remember the name of the lead sax player? He's simply great. Thanks, Rob

  • @60march
    @60march 10 років тому +2

    5:14!!!!!! Holy Moly

    • @KenLongTortoise
      @KenLongTortoise 6 років тому

      the best 5 sec of what it means to be buddy rich

  • @larrysmith6797
    @larrysmith6797 2 роки тому

    Back when Steve Marcus and Stan Mark on Maynard's band were vying for biggest hair.

  • @arame29
    @arame29 4 роки тому +1

    Wayne on bass Mike on jazz tpt Steve Marcus on tenor RIP

  • @MarkR1957
    @MarkR1957 15 років тому

    Good eye there, MB1. Yep, that photo on the album cover, originally titled "Rich in London", shows B with his Fibes chrome over fiberglass snare.
    Of course, since B had one, I had to get one, and I did, and I must say it was a pretty nice snare, IF you tuned it right. On that album, B's sounds great, but, on the "At the Top" video, it could sound better. Maybe in the recording, who knows.
    Buddy was seldom happy with his snare drums ~

  • @mcgovnor1
    @mcgovnor1 14 років тому +2

    walter..i'm the trumpet soloist....

  • @kalamia1000
    @kalamia1000 11 років тому

    Ludwig Drums and Zildjian cymbals
    He reverted back to his normal, long time Slingerland drums ,later

  • @CribNotes
    @CribNotes 14 років тому

    at 5:13 what the hell is that?? It's like he switched on a blender - perfect precision!

  • @neri65
    @neri65 15 років тому

    lol ty man :P

  • @Skinslayer1
    @Skinslayer1 15 років тому

    You put your finger on it when you said "music industry". Because that's what it is, an industry. They push and push and drown us in the rubbish that is popular. Buddy does what seems humanly impossible, but it takes a lot of drumming time before you can appreciate that, and that's the problem with any instrument or art form. I have this clip recorded from the TV on a reel audio tape around 1970. Great to see it again on video after 35+ years.STILL can't get that single stroke at the end though!

  • @justinodowd4182
    @justinodowd4182 9 років тому

    No draging or rushing.

  • @Commandergree143
    @Commandergree143 11 років тому

    5:14 DAM!!!!!

  • @edellis515
    @edellis515 Рік тому

    Mike your trupet solo is GREAT!!!!!!! Hey how i reach James Martin??
    Thanks

  • @rdangelo
    @rdangelo 16 років тому +1

    Nice playing, Mike. I was only 13 when this was recorded, but I remember your name on some studio album from Walter Murphy(?) Does that mean anything? Is that Coassin on lead?

  • @pedrex78
    @pedrex78 11 років тому

    happy birthday first of all, and that¨s when destiny calls no casualty... for some reason, that¨s whay we all knows him that¨s his legacy, and we keeping him alive!! excuse for my english dudes!!! to much emotions at one time!!!

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  16 років тому

    I agree,The BBC guys knew what thay were doing when it came to sound & usually got it right,whereas the us broadcasts (carson)the sound does'nt come across as good IMO,also buddy sometimes did'nt use his own kit.Don't tell me Steve Marcus has left us?He was'nt that old was he?

  • @MarkR1957
    @MarkR1957 11 років тому

    Dawson was using Fibes at that time with Brubeck.

  • @blockhax6146
    @blockhax6146 7 років тому

    this is one of their tightest versions of it. it's a bit more up tempo than usual and the bass player is on the ball.

  • @WalterMosca
    @WalterMosca 14 років тому

    Mike Mc which one are you? great great music for sure...

  • @schilke237
    @schilke237 13 років тому

    Trumpet solo was a little outta context for my own taste, but after all, mcgovern seemed like he was holding back, nice chops my friend. And tell whoever was playing lead he shouldn't have been there.

  • @jazztrump9
    @jazztrump9 14 років тому

    @arcwelder9999
    yes, yes he does lol

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  15 років тому

    MarkR1957
    It looks like buddy is using a Fibes crome snare on the cover of the double album 'live at ronnie scotts' circa 1972would i be correct ?

  • @TheColbles2009
    @TheColbles2009 15 років тому

    MrDrumcat, Buddy Rich normally used Ludwig Black Beauty snares, and sometimes he used Slingerland Radio King snares.

  • @ja14732
    @ja14732 10 років тому +1

    Hard to believe that Buddy Rich was such a real life a**hole, with music this amazing.

    • @adeduction
      @adeduction 10 років тому +2

      With talent (genius) that amazing I doubt that Rich was a real life a**hole.
      Only stupid people are a**holes & Rich was not stupid. He was a colossus & he knew it & so he was (sometimes) arrogant & cocky. So what? If he really was a bad person he (like most bad people) would hide it & 'pretend' he was good just like every body else did (& does). Rich didn't care what the average person thought (of him) because he was not & never wanted to be 'average'. He cared about his peers & in turn he was respected & admired by his peers. As a band leader of young musicians he practiced 'tough love' & thus he helped them by criticizing them when they did not play well. Rich, like all great artists only cared about & answered to a higher calling - his art - perfection - artistry. Cocky & arrogant he was (at times) but never a real life a''hole. I don't think Rich was an exception to John Keat's premise about 'the impossibility of being a good poet and not be good' (i.e. not be a good person).

    • @ja14732
      @ja14732 10 років тому

      adeduction Your opening statement, that only stupid people are a**holes, is horribly inaccurate. Many intelligent people over the years have been utter a**holes, including Richard Nixon, who basically ended China's declaration of isolationism and opened them to the world. Nixon was no idiot, but he spied on his enemies and used underhanded tactics to stay in power. That's one definition of an a**hole.
      He was an amazing musician, no doubt, but let's not forget that he didn't write all of his songs, and that he had a horribly short temper. He may have meant well, to be fair, but the Musiker tapes made during tour show that he had a horrible temper and that working with him was difficult, to say the least. I'm not insulting the music, but it's true that he acted like, for the most part, a total jerk.

    • @6801ls350
      @6801ls350 10 років тому +1

      adeduction Buddy had zero tolerance for ignorance especially with the stuff he rehearsed with the band! He expected everyone in the the band to put forth full effort and plus like he did. NO EXCEPTIONS! The music was very important sound wise to him.

    • @adeduction
      @adeduction 10 років тому +2

      Joe Michalski Why do you think Nixon was intelligent? You're confusing cunning and artifice with intelligence. Politicians are similar to most people, i.e., are fakes and phonies - dissemblers - pretend to be something they really are not - ie competent. In my opinion a fake and phoney is also stupid. But being stupid doesn't mean you can't become a billionaire and be elected President of the U.S. Didn't JC on the cross say:'Forgive them father, for they know not what they do." I.e., 'Forgive them for being stupid.' Nixon was too dishonest and too phoney to be a great artist like Rich and Rich was too honest - too himself - and not mediocre enough to be a politician. Rich knew that if he focused on his art and the perfection of his music i.e., his band - he couldn't but help the young musicians in his band more than he hurt their feelings. What's wrong with someone trying to help become a better person or musician? The truth makes us more aware. this is why 'The truth hurts but is also cures.' Chinese proverb. That's why Rich was such a colossus.

    • @tunefultonyjohnson4100
      @tunefultonyjohnson4100 9 років тому

      +Joe Michalski :: "He didn't write all of his songs...." ?? ---"Buddy Rich didn't write ANY of his tunes, they were all arranged especially for him and his Big Band from tunes written either as standards, or written as original music from the pens of arranger/composers such as Bob Florence, Don Mintzer, or Bill Holman.

  • @DavePlaysTrombone
    @DavePlaysTrombone 14 років тому

    Maybe it's the way they were recorded, but this isn't one of Buddy's best bands. Kinda sounds like they were just going through the motions. Buddy sounds incredible as always though.

  • @mikepritchett100
    @mikepritchett100 14 років тому

    check out mike pritchett drum solo you tube

  • @erzug
    @erzug 10 місяців тому

    If that was a toupee he was wearing, he needed to get his money back.

  • @neri65
    @neri65 15 років тому

    haha 0:44 Buddy: Yes, i know!, i kick your ass.. yes I'm the best i know. ;P

  • @johnjensen4984
    @johnjensen4984 3 роки тому

    Steve Markus /Buddy Rich yuu CAN find better one. LOVE FOR SALE with swing and drive. 👏👏

  • @user-ne2zw3lv1i
    @user-ne2zw3lv1i 11 років тому

    このラブフォウセールは、演奏するバンドが多いですね。

  • @RockMacDonald23
    @RockMacDonald23 12 років тому

    5:14 whaa?

  • @scatmando
    @scatmando 12 років тому

    Buddy worked them hard but he got the best out of them, but not my favorit ''love for sale'' by BD

  • @StixH
    @StixH 11 років тому

    Ascerbic wit! I bet he made Val feel really uncomfortable!

  • @KoolerDunIce
    @KoolerDunIce 11 років тому

    Yes, these guys are good but now listen to the same number by genius Oscar Peterson.... pure feeling !
    /watch?v=TxO_QORHNmI

  • @KayJayHP
    @KayJayHP 11 років тому

    As awesome as each section's cohesive playing is, it has ro be tempered by the fact that a major ass-chewing would follow anyone playing a "clam."