What a classy man Babyface is. His understanding of the music trends is amazing. When it comes to the music industry, Babyface has walked the walk. I do not detect any bullshit coming from him.
I loved to see him work with a couple "old school" artists like Peabo Bryson and Jeffrey Osborne--we still love them and they still sound good and can connect on an emotional level with the kind of songs Babyface masters!
Babyface you are a living breathing musical genius and I love the honesty in this interview as well. Geniuses are usually very shy and some very insecure because they are perfectionist at the heart of it, and they are also their own worst critics and that is why they create magic. Barbara Streistand is also on another level as well. Babyface should have a music award dedicated in his name for those who are exceptional in the musical arts. When are we getting a documentary on your life? Do it while you are still alive so no one else tell your story.
Stating that Sir Paul McCartney,Jam and Lewis and Stevie Wonder were his greatest influences is definitely why they inspired Babyface into a awesomely unique songwriter as well a top notch artist too. Definitely in my top five favorite artists.
This interview has to go down as one of the greatest interviews of "Kenneth Babyface Edmonds". Toure is an exceptional interviewer who interviewed a genius as if it was a conversation, and delivered a masterclass of questions for a classic episode. I thought I had heard most of the singer songwriters story, However Toure manages to pull out more knowledge and understanding not forgetting the wisdom in his profession, that is from one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters of our time. This interview is pure class. Thank you.🎉🎉
Toure you are a special kind of talent. I've learned more about baby face in this interview than seeing him in all others put together. This is definitely a good platform for your natural expertise. And I believe that you can definitely be at the top of the mountain of Grios of celebrity entertainment in all areas you wish to interview. Your reputation is stellar in the eyes of those who know you. Your subs should reach the multi million marks eventually if you keep the pedal to the metal. As your team grows so will your popularity in this particular medium. But this medium for you is the best equalizer for you to reach your maximizing purpose. For you are a talent with purpose, not ordained by your own person but by your CREATOR who wrote your book b4 your birth. Entertainment cutting through the minutia of the industry, can be seen with the geniuses of many generations but especially 20 & 21st century icons during our and b4 our times. Toure seek out our living legends, every one you can muster barring ethnicity but also focusing on the many descendants of slaves whose genius transcended the oppression meted out to them and won over the oppressors and the oppressors children, which made it a plus for easing the oppression from us to enable the opening of more doors for us and the country as a whole. I sense you've had your difficulties as every human person and creation as a whole has. But after every difficulty there is relief and then difficulty again and a consistent cycle of the two. My overall point dear brother is that you are definitely on point. Glad to subscribe and like and comment. This is a diatribe of encouragement in the only way my intelligence can muster. My apologies for it.
~ Not him saying he didn’t like that “burning feeling” (when working out). That’s hilarious. Some people actually crave that feeling. So on brand for Face. Wow.
Smokey's lyrics were more commercial, mostly tried and true Motown products. His lyrics were tight, but mostly similies. I love Smokey and seen him in concert at least 3 times, but Babyface's songwriting is a little more complex than Mr. Robinson (and I say that as a hard-core Smokey fan and child of the 60s). The first 45 I ever bought was The Temps' "Ain't to Proud to Beg" and the first album was "Smokey" with "Quiet Storm," "Baby Come Close" when his writing was much more complex. Anyway, they should CREATE a Smokey Robinson songwriters award ("My Girl" alone qualifies him) and Babyface could be one of its first recipients.
Very good interview, finally going to see this musical Genius at Cssino O L G Friday JLY26 i have all his Albums and CD’s when he was with The Deele and until now I listen to him a lot with Michael Jackson music 🎶
GIRLFRIEND, MERECEDES BOY was originally intended for VANESSA WILLIAMS..WOW...Can you imagine VANESSA WILLIAMS on those songs? That would have been HOTT..
The only question I am interested in is: How on earth could LA Face records F up that iconic Shanice album? How is that even possible? She should have at least received a Grammy nomination for best R&b vocal performance for "Yesterday", "When I close my Eyes" or "You Need a Man"!
54:20 Great question for LA Reid, not so much Babyface. But the Shanice album was truly a great album, and she is a great vocalist...my favorite off that album is "Doin' My Thang".
I wonder if he and LA could have went back and renegotiated their joint venture deal with Clive Davis and Arista? They clearly out performed that original deal. I’m not a fan of the business side. I understand the importance of record companies but they are over valued ( I feel they are glorified investors or banks) LAFace I was close to becoming the next Motown with their self contained abilities)
The problem with artists’ deals is that it only seems “unfair” AFTER there’s proven success. Nobody involved really knows the real market value in advance. What happens when a new artist repeatedly flops? Crickets…
SADE DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME FOR THE DIVA,CLASSLESS DRAMA OF THE NARCISSISTIC STUCK UP PAIN IN THE NECK ARROGANT PRIDEFUL EGOTISTICAL IMMATURE WOMAN WHO CAN SING,BUT THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE HER BAD BEHAVIOR,SHE NEEDS MAJOR ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT, TOO MANY OF THE ARTISTS LIKE LUTHER, COMPLAINED ABOUT HER DIVA WAYS IN THE PAST, BECAUSE OF THIS RECENT SITUATION I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW SHE TRULY IS SHE NEEDS TO STRAIGHTEN UP , AND CHANGE HER WAYS 👀
I must say the title is click bait because they put Anita Baker's name in there, knowing that he has recent controversy with Anita Baker in regards to her kicking him off of her tour. Many people will click on this video when they see her name, thinking that he's going to be discussing it....But all Babyface says is she has a unique voice. So "boo" to Toure for trying to get false clicks and views. And Toure definitely doesn't know music when he says Keyshia Cole can't sing. Love was an intense song that showed her great vocal ability!
That Ariana Grande album was nothing but a flipped BRANDY album. For those of you who DON'T know. Go and listen to Brandy's album "Never Say Never" and you will hear Ariana...ALL of todays "pop" music is nothing but yesterdays R&B
This was awesome and the thing is about songwriters they have so many songs written but they dont put them all out but they’re writing daily pretty much. So we only see the tip of the iceberg
He was careful not to over mention Michael because of Toure's well-known disdain for MJ now due to Leaving Neverland. He mentioned MJ on multiple occasions as being on another level.
The record business model was created by non artist. They put practices in place to keep artists enslaved. You can write, produce, and sing but the company owns the masters. It took visionaries like Prince and Chance the rapper to break the mold.
How a true a statement especially with Face “Roni” story and the Diddy drama. Artist of the past that didn’t play the game and present artists that have the good fortune to be here with technology and socials can and should make music on their own terms.
I love how he spins the Vanessa Williams and pebbles situation but that’s not what LA Reid said😅😅 😅I😂 if anything Pebbles paid for the song and paid more money on top of other things 😉
56:24-57:45 he cleaned his face wit dis cuz it was looking like he was too smart 4 his own good when left eye said what she said on behind the music!!!
@@spencophany He just looks god awful! The fact that he knows he is going to interview a fashion Icon like Babyface makes it even worst. Babyface, Raphael Saadiqe, Q Tip and Andre 3000 are among the best dressed men on this planet! There is no excuse for his look, posture, demeanor and overall presentation! Horrible presentation - and this has nothing nothing to do with him being black ...or his hair!
@@kenyarogers6289 I am neither (boomer nor older Genx). I am a fashion professional. Only the ones who know the rules know how to break them. Everything else is sloppy! Tom Ford believes great style is a form of manners - and I truly believe that!
@@firouz256 I’m sure those rules apply within the fashion industry because at the end of the day, there’s more essential things to be concerned with - like clothing, shelter, safety, love and everything else Maslow’s hierarchy.
Those of us who truly loved Whitney find a deep sorrow in that great loss, her treatment by the media in regards to her legacy and lack of recognition. People forget she was also a patriot (she poured every once of herself into a free concert for the military during Desert Storm). Long story short, there's a lot of PAIN when we think of Whitney. Maybe when there's a movie or documentary that gets it right....There's also sadness in the fact that she was one of a kind, didn't leave us with nearly enough music, was so beautiful (inside and out), had so much yet to give, and left us WAY too soon. Basically, it's heartbreaking to speak on our beloved Whitney.
Really good interview. Toure' & Face you did a bang up job. People LOVE authenticity and thoughtfulness. Introverts don't blurt things out. Writers are measured and very aware of the power of words and will THINK before they speak. As a fellow recovering shy person, I applaud your ability to perform before thousands as well as do one on one in-person interviews (which is more of your comfort zone). So glad when you came out and began performing not just your hits, but, all the amazing hits you've written for others. You deserve to stand and take a bow and feel all the love and appreciation for sharing your amazing gift. BTW, "Everytime I Close My Eyes" was played at our wedding. We once celebrated an anniversary with dinner by candlelight and Ms. Baker's "Sweet Love," so many fans were pained by the recent tour "disconnect" and wish you both the best. Love you, Brother!
I remember when this ninja told Donnie Simpson on Video Soul that GOGO wasn’t music, yet he used it on most of his up tempo songs watered down. BAMMA AZZ NINJA 😏
Babyface stole two songs from a Minneapolis song writer/producer Robert 'Red' Scott. Mary J Blige's not going to cry was ain't going to cry and one of Toni Braxton songs. Red trusted babyface with those songs, and that he was going to do what he said and he wronged that man.
Bullsh!t. Why didn’t the guy sue if that was the case. There are copy write laws for that. 40 years in the business and Babyface has never been accused of stealing song.
Arista was the parent company of LaFace records. They were the ones that controlled budgets. Also Pebbles managed TLC and they were under her production company. Toni Braxton did not sue Babyface. And on and off she’s been performing happily with him.
Babyface is just so authentic, warm and humble. I love his personality and attitude. Last but not least he is a genius.
Agreed! He’s my all-time favorite singer, song-writer, and producer! He just seems like a very kind person.❤🎉😊
@@tonishaamos7343❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Its something so captivating about his personality. So well spoken and genuine and most of all he is very humble!
Many artists would have felt threatened by having a Kevon in the family. Kudos to Face for giving Melvin and Kevon a platform to express themselves.
What a classy man Babyface is. His understanding of the music trends is amazing. When it comes to the music industry, Babyface has walked the walk. I do not detect any bullshit coming from him.
Timeless is a understatement for what Babyface produces. I am still listening to his songs from over 30 years ago. He is our Sam Cooke.
Really admire Babyface! Such a professional!
He is just COOL....a soft spoken, humble, MONSTER musician/producer. Impossible to not like him. 💎💎💎💎💎
The LEGENDARYYYYYY Kenneth Babyface Edmonds!!! 💚💚💚
I love Babyface. He seems so calming.
One of the best song writer of all time. Also a fantastic singer.
I loved to see him work with a couple "old school" artists like Peabo Bryson and Jeffrey Osborne--we still love them and they still sound good and can connect on an emotional level with the kind of songs Babyface masters!
Cheers.
Babyface you are a living breathing musical genius and I love the honesty in this interview as well. Geniuses are usually very shy and some very insecure because they are perfectionist at the heart of it, and they are also their own worst critics and that is why they create magic. Barbara Streistand is also on another level as well. Babyface should have a music award dedicated in his name for those who are exceptional in the musical arts. When are we getting a documentary on your life? Do it while you are still alive so no one else tell your story.
Stating that Sir Paul McCartney,Jam and Lewis and Stevie Wonder were his greatest influences is definitely why they inspired Babyface into a awesomely unique songwriter as well a top notch artist too. Definitely in my top five favorite artists.
For the late Gen X, Babyface is the soundtrack to our lives. Thank you for all the great music and what is to come. 🥰
Amen
This interview has to go down as one of the greatest interviews of "Kenneth Babyface Edmonds".
Toure is an exceptional interviewer who interviewed a genius as if it was a conversation, and delivered a masterclass of questions for a classic episode.
I thought I had heard most of the singer songwriters story, However Toure manages to pull out more knowledge and understanding not forgetting the wisdom in his profession, that is from one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters of our time.
This interview is pure class.
Thank you.🎉🎉
Such a fascinating look into the Man who created the musical landscape of our Lives from 1989-Today…Epic Genius @babyface♥️
Amazing❤Songwriter❤Seen Babyface 3 Times in Concert
I have LOVED Babyface from my first listen! He hit one of his famous sideway notes and I fell in love! He's awesome!! Loved this interview!❤
Love this man...he's very thoughtful when he responds and humble. Legendary genius
The look talent and speaking voice makes him an honorable Jackson
❤❤❤ Babyface!!!
53:10 The songs mixed by *Jon Gass* were the best records produced by *L.A.* & *Face*
Roni…..one of my favorites ❣️
❤❤ Kenny I remember when my sister Nikki & I met u we were from Texas...u had a simular coat...a trench coat on that color that day...at Video Soul. 😊
Toure you are a special kind of talent. I've learned more about baby face in this interview than seeing him in all others put together. This is definitely a good platform for your natural expertise. And I believe that you can definitely be at the top of the mountain of Grios of celebrity entertainment in all areas you wish to interview. Your reputation is stellar in the eyes of those who know you. Your subs should reach the multi million marks eventually if you keep the pedal to the metal. As your team grows so will your popularity in this particular medium. But this medium for you is the best equalizer for you to reach your maximizing purpose. For you are a talent with purpose, not ordained by your own person but by your CREATOR who wrote your book b4 your birth. Entertainment cutting through the minutia of the industry, can be seen with the geniuses of many generations but especially 20 & 21st century icons during our and b4 our times. Toure seek out our living legends, every one you can muster barring ethnicity but also focusing on the many descendants of slaves whose genius transcended the oppression meted out to them and won over the oppressors and the oppressors children, which made it a plus for easing the oppression from us to enable the opening of more doors for us and the country as a whole. I sense you've had your difficulties as every human person and creation as a whole has. But after every difficulty there is relief and then difficulty again and a consistent cycle of the two. My overall point dear brother is that you are definitely on point. Glad to subscribe and like and comment. This is a diatribe of encouragement in the only way my intelligence can muster. My apologies for it.
A true icon!! So humble
This was a masterclass
A good musician and songs writing facts and he should be rich
~ Not him saying he didn’t like that “burning feeling” (when working out). That’s hilarious. Some people actually crave that feeling. So on brand for Face. Wow.
I love this Human Being! So blessed God has allowed me to live and bear witness to greatness!
@KimberlyMoyer- that was a lovely thing to say about Babyface!
Love this!! Babyface is a national treasure!!! ❤❤❤
Kenny, you are a great artist .
Love to hear him speak.
These interviews are so good.
End of the Road always reminded me of me of It Takes A Fool To Learn by the Spinners
Wow great analogy
Bob Dylan once said Smokey Robinson is the greatest poet ever!
He is
Smokey's lyrics were more commercial, mostly tried and true Motown products. His lyrics were tight, but mostly similies. I love Smokey and seen him in concert at least 3 times, but Babyface's songwriting is a little more complex than Mr. Robinson (and I say that as a hard-core Smokey fan and child of the 60s). The first 45 I ever bought was The Temps' "Ain't to Proud to Beg" and the first album was "Smokey" with "Quiet Storm," "Baby Come Close" when his writing was much more complex. Anyway, they should CREATE a Smokey Robinson songwriters award ("My Girl" alone qualifies him) and Babyface could be one of its first recipients.
@@mariegraves6102 hum interesting I respect your opinion
What an amazing man.
Very good interview, finally going to see this musical Genius at Cssino O L G Friday JLY26 i have all his Albums and CD’s when he was with The Deele and until now I listen to him a lot with Michael Jackson music 🎶
Barry Gibb and Babyface. Kenneth Gamble and Kenny Babyface.
Not them watching "All My Children" during the day😂
GIRLFRIEND, MERECEDES BOY was originally intended for VANESSA WILLIAMS..WOW...Can you imagine VANESSA WILLIAMS on those songs? That would have been HOTT..
Face and Sade, Face and Prince... COLLOSAL COLLABS!!!
The only question I am interested in is:
How on earth could LA Face records F up that iconic Shanice album?
How is that even possible?
She should have at least received a Grammy nomination for best R&b vocal performance for "Yesterday", "When I close my Eyes" or "You Need a Man"!
54:20 Great question for LA Reid, not so much Babyface. But the Shanice album was truly a great album, and she is a great vocalist...my favorite off that album is "Doin' My Thang".
@@Veon_Ray Hallelujah and amen
Get with him in the studio please. We'd love to see the full footage of his Mariah and Whitney duet recording and MJ
I absolutely agree about that song !!!
Babyface is the Goat ❤
ALWAYS
I like to see the eyes of who I'm talking to tho.
Most of these top stars that wear sunglasses in studio interviews in-house) because their eyes are dilated. It is a way to hide that fact. Just sad!
True legend
Awesome interview, thank you!
I wish I could watch face produce a song start to finish.
I wish he would have worked with Marvin Gaye too
That would've been too epic! 🙌🏿❤️
Oh wow! That would have been wonderful.
I would love for Babyface to look up my two sons both of them are music producers.
Awesome!
Prince was rah-rah on that basketball court!
Great Stuff.
I wonder if he and LA could have went back and renegotiated their joint venture deal with Clive Davis and Arista? They clearly out performed that original deal. I’m not a fan of the business side. I understand the importance of record companies but they are over valued ( I feel they are glorified investors or banks) LAFace I was close to becoming the next Motown with their self contained abilities)
Reality, turn around sir 💯
The problem with artists’ deals is that it only seems “unfair” AFTER there’s proven success. Nobody involved really knows the real market value in advance. What happens when a new artist repeatedly flops? Crickets…
Anita Baker should try to get Sade to finish the tour with her!!!
SADE DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME FOR THE DIVA,CLASSLESS DRAMA OF THE NARCISSISTIC STUCK UP PAIN IN THE NECK ARROGANT PRIDEFUL EGOTISTICAL IMMATURE WOMAN WHO CAN SING,BUT THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE HER BAD BEHAVIOR,SHE NEEDS MAJOR ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT, TOO MANY OF THE ARTISTS LIKE LUTHER, COMPLAINED ABOUT HER DIVA WAYS IN THE PAST, BECAUSE OF THIS RECENT SITUATION I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW SHE TRULY IS SHE NEEDS TO STRAIGHTEN UP , AND CHANGE HER WAYS 👀
@@mishawilliams4319 It’s always important to read the entire book to gain the full perspective. Leave those cliff notes alone. The more you know!
Wow Roni was written in 1983
Has that deele vibe
Ari lennox is my favorite female artist in 2023. Her voice is special.
Erykah Badu light
That's my boo😊🙌🏿
I must say the title is click bait because they put Anita Baker's name in there, knowing that he has recent controversy with Anita Baker in regards to her kicking him off of her tour. Many people will click on this video when they see her name, thinking that he's going to be discussing it....But all Babyface says is she has a unique voice. So "boo" to Toure for trying to get false clicks and views. And Toure definitely doesn't know music when he says Keyshia Cole can't sing. Love was an intense song that showed her great vocal ability!
Everyone remembers their childhood love 😅😅😅 mines was Ulysses 🥰😂🤷🏾♀️
Sonya Mcrarry
That Ariana Grande album was nothing but a flipped BRANDY album. For those of you who DON'T know. Go and listen to Brandy's album "Never Say Never" and you will hear Ariana...ALL of todays "pop" music is nothing but yesterdays R&B
Re Toni Braxton, what u did was called integrity - its a reflection of being raised right
Leave it to the Babyface to master the "humblebrag"; I'm sure he turns down all kinds of women all the time.
This man with his big words
This was awesome and the thing is about songwriters they have so many songs written but they dont put them all out but they’re writing daily pretty much. So we only see the tip of the iceberg
Don’t forget the greatness of Michael Jackson. Prince and Michael Jackson ruled.
He was careful not to over mention Michael because of Toure's well-known disdain for MJ now due to Leaving Neverland. He mentioned MJ on multiple occasions as being on another level.
He seems to still be a little shy
He is A LOT shy🤭
Re Toni Braxton, what u did was called integrity - its a reflection of your parents raised you right
It was on Bravo
The record business model was created by non artist. They put practices in place to keep artists enslaved. You can write, produce, and sing but the company owns the masters. It took visionaries like Prince and Chance the rapper to break the mold.
How a true a statement especially with Face “Roni” story and the Diddy drama. Artist of the past that didn’t play the game and present artists that have the good fortune to be here with technology and socials can and should make music on their own terms.
I have to disagree with you!KEYSHIA can sing!!!
I love how he spins the Vanessa Williams and pebbles situation but that’s not what LA Reid said😅😅 😅I😂 if anything Pebbles paid for the song and paid more money on top of other things 😉
He kuldv found some better intro music 😂
Even though he is amazing
Toure?? I thought he was Eric Benet the sing🤷🏿♂️
Oh my.... it's weird seeing my name written in pod title... 😮
😆
I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU KENNY, HOW DO I GET UNTOUCH 👉🤙
56:24-57:45 he cleaned his face wit dis cuz it was looking like he was too smart 4 his own good when left eye said what she said on behind the music!!!
Sade could have suceeded in all of Toni Braxton Face penned
songs
Whoa... I never thought about that... But you're absolutely right!
?😢Nothing like a well-groomed man especially if he's the interviewer
Cause black hair is so untidy in its natural state the way it grows out of their heads, right?
@@spencophany
He just looks god awful! The fact that he knows he is going to interview a fashion Icon like Babyface makes it even worst.
Babyface, Raphael Saadiqe, Q Tip and Andre 3000 are among the best dressed men on this planet!
There is no excuse for his look, posture, demeanor and overall presentation!
Horrible presentation - and this has nothing nothing to do with him being black ...or his hair!
@@firouz256I’m guessing that you’re a boomer or older Genx person who has assimilated to the way that’s acceptable in the eye of the standard.
@@kenyarogers6289
I am neither (boomer nor older Genx).
I am a fashion professional.
Only the ones who know the rules know how to break them.
Everything else is sloppy!
Tom Ford believes great style is a form of manners - and I truly believe that!
@@firouz256 I’m sure those rules apply within the fashion industry because at the end of the day, there’s more essential things to be concerned with - like clothing, shelter, safety, love and everything else Maslow’s hierarchy.
Toure crazy af!!! Keyshia Cole can definitely sing!!! SMH 💯
She has passion...But NO TRUE SINGING ABILITY, in my opinion!!
@kevcart3789 She's not KeKe Wyatt but she can sing. I don't think any of the female vocalist can get with KeKe. Just my opinion.
@@JOHNKIRBY2077 WHO is KEKE?!?🤔
@@kevcart3789 She's done three duets with Avant. Look her up...KeKe Wyatt live or acapella. She remade Mrs. Patti's If only you knew.
I don’t hear the live he had for Whitney now like he did back then. I wonder why?
Those of us who truly loved Whitney find a deep sorrow in that great loss, her treatment by the media in regards to her legacy and lack of recognition. People forget she was also a patriot (she poured every once of herself into a free concert for the military during Desert Storm). Long story short, there's a lot of PAIN when we think of Whitney. Maybe when there's a movie or documentary that gets it right....There's also sadness in the fact that she was one of a kind, didn't leave us with nearly enough music, was so beautiful (inside and out), had so much yet to give, and left us WAY too soon. Basically, it's heartbreaking to speak on our beloved Whitney.
Really good interview. Toure' & Face you did a bang up job. People LOVE authenticity and thoughtfulness. Introverts don't blurt things out. Writers are measured and very aware of the power of words and will THINK before they speak. As a fellow recovering shy person, I applaud your ability to perform before thousands as well as do one on one in-person interviews (which is more of your comfort zone). So glad when you came out and began performing not just your hits, but, all the amazing hits you've written for others. You deserve to stand and take a bow and feel all the love and appreciation for sharing your amazing gift. BTW, "Everytime I Close My Eyes" was played at our wedding. We once celebrated an anniversary with dinner by candlelight and Ms. Baker's "Sweet Love," so many fans were pained by the recent tour "disconnect" and wish you both the best. Love you, Brother!
I remember when this ninja told Donnie Simpson on Video Soul that GOGO wasn’t music, yet he used it on most of his up tempo songs watered down. BAMMA AZZ NINJA 😏
baby face 🤔 his brother melvin was more handsome
I thought Melvin died so he copy his brother and won because it's political mmmmm
Babyface stole two songs from a Minneapolis song writer/producer Robert 'Red' Scott. Mary J Blige's not going to cry was ain't going to cry and one of Toni Braxton songs. Red trusted babyface with those songs, and that he was going to do what he said and he wronged that man.
I need some proof...you can't just say it...well you can but an article or something would give it some credibility
Bullsh!t. Why didn’t the guy sue if that was the case. There are copy write laws for that. 40 years in the business and Babyface has never been accused of stealing song.
Arista was the parent company of LaFace records. They were the ones that controlled budgets. Also Pebbles managed TLC and they were under her production company. Toni Braxton did not sue Babyface. And on and off she’s been performing happily with him.