The best part of watching your videos is seeing the looks of pure child-like joy on your faces when you play at screaming loud volumes. The uncontrollable laughter by Mick at 26:00 is what keeps me coming back and makes me want to dime my own amp. Keep it up boys!
One of the biggest differences in tone between an SG and a Les Paul isn't just the pickups and the wood. One thing that most people don't know, understand or take into account is that the pickups are located differently on an SG and a Les Paul. Even when comparing an original 1959 Les Paul Standard to an original 1964 SG Standard, the bridge pickup on an SG is actually a little bit closer to the bridge than the bridge pickup of a Les Paul is, and the neck pickup of an SG is actually mounted farther away from the neck (and essentially closer to the bridge) than it is on a Les Paul. As we all know: the closer a pickup is to the bridge, the brighter it is, and the farther away it is from the bridge, the darker and bassier it will sound. Pickup location within a guitar's scale length makes a difference in tone. Being that both guitars have the same scale length (24.75 inches), the distance between the end of the neck and the bridge is the same for both the SG and the Les Paul. However, the most crucial difference in neck pickup location between the two is: with the Les Paul, the neck pickup sits right up against the end of the neck. Whereas the SG's neck pickup cannot be mounted right against the neck like a Les Paul because there isn't enough wood for the pickup routing in that area where the cutouts for the horns are, so it has to be routed further down and away from the neck for structural reasons. With the SG's pickups essentially located closer to the bridge than the Les Paul's, this affects its tone a lot more than people may know or realize. How does this affect the tone of the SG? Remember, the bridge pickup of an SG is slightly closer to the bridge than it is on a Les Paul, and the SG's neck pickup is located farther away from the neck (and essentially closer to the bridge) than it is on a Les Paul as well, which gives it a slightly brighter, thinner, more midrange-focused sound in comparison to a Les Paul. These differences in pickup location is why the SG generally tends to be more midrange-y, and why some consider it to have a more "Tele"-ish sound; that it doesn't sound quite as fat and full on the bottom end as a Les Paul, and why the SG has more midrange "cut" and "snap" to its sound. It's also why the SG's neck pickup tends to sound not quite as thick and a bit more articulate. Because it's located farther down in the string's scale length and is essentially closer to the bridge than a Les Paul's, which gives it a slightly brighter, tighter tone. Pickup location makes a difference! The reason I know it makes a difference is because a pickup builder and personal friend of mine made a testbed guitar with a rail system in it that allowed you to slide pickups up and down anywhere between the bridge and the neck, and by doing so, even only a couple of millimetres can make a difference in tone. Especially with the bridge pickup. A couple millimetres makes less of an audible difference with the neck pickup, but the SG's neck pickup is located much farther down than the Les Paul's neck pickup, which affects its tone. Even in this video you can see the distance between the pickups is different between the SG and Les Paul. Both of the SG's pickups are closer together AND closer to the bridge, which inherently gives it a different tone. Being they are closer together, it also affects the SG's middle position tonal character too. This is also partly why an Epiphone Les Paul's bridge pickup tone is a bit different than a Gibson Les Paul's, because the Epiphone's bridge pickup is slightly farther away from the bridge than a Gibson's. It's not just the pickups themselves (which of course make a difference), it's also the pickup location that makes a difference in tone. Gibson knows this and that's why there are differences between Gibson and Epiphone pickup mounting locations, and even small differences between different models in the Gibson range through out the years as well. Anyway, start measuring the different pickup mounting distances on SGs and Les Pauls, and from Gibsons to Epiphones to see for yourself. Pickups and wood are most CERTAINLY part of the equation, but pickup mounting location is a part of that equation too. Any guitar or pickup builder worth their salt knows it is.
@@Ottophil Recently visited my local guitar store to buy a Gibson LP... Knowing there was a good selection I was prepared for a longish session trying out a few. With money in my pocket, I tried 2 out of the 12 hanging on the wall. All, without exception, had finish issues, 4 had checking around the neck pocket... 5k plus for a substandard guitar? I don´t think so! By the way, I own guitars with checking, finish cracks, less than showroom condition but I am not paying 5k+ for a Gibson that already has issues! Suffice to say I left without buying a Gibson!
@otto Phil. Sorry but I disagree here. A friend has a LP tribute. Came in with a jack socket that wouldn’t work cause someone shoved 3 lock washers on it. AND with a little time The fretboard has literally shrunk on the neck leaving a rather large lip on the bass side. The jack is forgivable. The fretboard is not.
Haven’t ever commented on UA-cam before and have watched all your stuff for years… Absolutely hands down amazing… guys both of your playing was amazing and totally inspirational…. Never wanted an SG but now it’s on the list. Seriously fabulous playing chaps… kudos boys!!!
The total joy on their faces in between takes makes the whole episode - it's what makes us all want to play guitar. Can you imagine how loud it is in there? Love it!
This came at the perfect time. I’m a custodian of a new Custom Shop Murphy Lab 63 SG Custom, and it’s the first hum bucker guitar (excluding filtertrons) that I’ve ever loved. If only they were all built like that. Hearing the SG under a microscope, especially compared to a Les Paul, a guitar I’ve never enjoyed, illuminated what I love about it. Thank you chaps.
Epic and Glorious is how I would describe this episode, the playing, the sounds and the guitars were all incredible, brilliant work Dan and Mick, that SG is a thing of wonder !! 😄
I bought my 1961 white Gibson SG second-hand and have played it ever since then. When I pick it up, it feels like "home" to me. I just got out of the hospital and your video gave me a great feeling of satisfaction. Glad you did the comparisons. i;ll send a photo sometime. Keep on Rockin'
Top 5 episode of all time and it wasn’t even about pedals! Thanks guys, this is a subject near and dear to my heart. I’ve never been in a position to hear an SG and LP compared so well.
That Fender Pro is all the guitar tone you'll ever need. Hearing the SG and Les Paul back to back makes me realize that the SG has some of that mid honkiness typical of the 335, but still with its own character. The SG is really growing on me. It's a solid guitar.
26:02 Mick giggling, with the enthusiasm that Dan usually does, is just about the happiest and most elated I've ever seen or heard Mick. Good on ya. It made my heart happy to see. This is the best episode in ages. Really enjoyed it. Love the "through the decades" format. The Gibson SG is often referred to as the Gibson Stratocaster. Put that '64 CS ML SG up against your strats please! Also, how pedals were used through the decades would be a good format, eg. Chorus, Reverb, delays, fuzz, each one an episode of how it was used by iconic artists or in iconic songs through the decades.
Hi Legends, glorious sounds today Guys. Mick your playing with the SG and the Marshall was something I won’t forget for a long time, absolutely beautiful. Thank you.
I’m sure this has been said in the bulk of the comments but this really feels like a defining episode of the channel, even though it’s light on pedals, light on technical details etc. I adore TPS, I have loved every challenge that’s ever been done. I love the shoot outs, the guides to each effect, the guest interviews, the NPD’s, the sessions, everything. But this, gentlemen. This, is why I’m here every week. Turn it up.
Some of the playing Dan did through Mick's "Rad 80s Rack Rig" was so moving. Approaching Timmons level at points for me. Nice one Dan. (This combined with my other comment on this video also shows the dichotomy of tones that appeal to me.)
Absolutely glorious! Out of all the people I watch on UA-cam you two are probably the ones I'd most want to have a pint with. How about a Gibson Humbucker vs Wide Range Humbucker video?
Great run through the decades. The "80's" segment really illustrated how lucky we are now to have the kind of gear that is available. The ability to dial up both pristine and rocking tones through a well put together rig is so awesome. Additionally, being able to dial these in at controllable volumes. The Mesa rig really brought out the majesty of each instrument. I lost som any of the nuances through the other amps that were jacked. Thanks for all you do.
Mick at 25:40, and Dan at 35:30. I mean just absolutely phenomenal tones. From the embodiment of the rock n’ roll sound to the dynamic reverby ethereal plains. In my book it’s the SG all day, not to say the Lester isn’t an absolute amazing guitar but the dynamic versatility of SG’s and you still get to have the whammy bar takes the cake. My friend always says a SG is just a Les Paul pretending to be a Strat. Anyways phenomenal episode of TPS!
I lucked into an all original 1970 Lyre tail SG back in 2010... and my heart still beats for it every day. The frets are worn down to nubs, but it still sustains for days. A truly remarkable design.
Awesome episode Guys! Two observations from me: 1/ the Jnr into the Fender Pro is a match made in heaven 2/ This video reaffirmed why I think the Hudson Broadcast works so well with a Les Paul as a clean or slightly crunchy preamp as you can dial back the bass really nicely and it helps to prevent things going too dark when you roll the guitar volume off. I've tried so many other drive pedals but nothing does that job better IMHO.
The look on your face, Mick, and the laugh at the end of each guitar through the 1987 with fuzz and delay, THAT'S IT!!!!! I hear that every time I play plugged in, there is NOTHING like that experience!! Great show, I love the sounds, tones and as always yours and Dan's playing. Cheers, Guys!
Dan I am in love with your 61 SG. That P90 is epic. I would be hard pressed to play my other guitars if that was sitting there. Not a fan of Pelham Blue like most of the other viewers were but to each his own. Great playing as always and it’s so cool to see the joy on your faces at the sounds you’re able to get. Have become a huge fan of TPS.
More and more "That Pedal Show" is attracting me to the tone of cranked amps without pedals 😊 There's another one I watched recently where they did a 1 guitar and 1 amp challenge. Man the tones Dan and Mick got were phenomenal. I especially liked the PRS into the DRRI. Sweetness!
I gotta say, some of the finest playing we've heard on this show. Mick particularly, it reminds me of the first vlog of the 61 strat, the trip to Analogman, adding the 335, unleashing the Two Rock, etc. It really illustrates the point of gear research and study: When our tools are supporting our creativity, we can reach our maximum potential. Y'all always sound good, but when the gear is "inspiring," so is your playing. I think that's why we put in the time on the tools, the research of the tools, the contemplation of what tools will inspire the desired results. And at the end of it, we can shut all of that off and just play. So very, very well done, as ever. Let's get Cesar and JC on the show, because that SG is a must.
Quite often through that I kept having the thought that Dan's R8 is how the guitarist in the studio wants the guitar to sound, and the SG is how it sounds once the producer has got hold of it to sit nicely in a mix. Also, the design change between the Les Paul and SG makes a lot of sense when you consider the jazzier origins of the LP and the music of the 50's and the poppier janglier sounds of the early 60's and the thinner, wirier sounds of the SG. Great episode chaps, and you pair o' bastards have reignited my SG GAS...
I always thought generally the LP sits in between a 335 and SG. You want a LP with more midrange girth get a 335. You want an LP with a little more bite get an SG.
Man….How many years I’ve waited for this…..As an SG player with a dabble into Les Pauls the minute you stuck my ‘70s rig on it made all these Fender videos disappear….Thank You…….
Fantastic episode lads! I went through the SG vs. Les Paul, and ended up going Les Paul because, well, it's the best looking guitar ever made and I found a tasty Bourbon Burst Standard with a very dark rosewood board, and it's light too! That and Professor Taylor stated quite convincingly, "There are three key considerations when purchasing an electric guitar. What it looks like, what it looks like, and what it looks like."
My god... that LP Jr sounds terrific. So open and full, with all the needed frecuencies and presence... Maybe i'm gonna say something strong, but it's the best guitar i've heard from you. I really love your Show guys... keep rocking!!
Dan and Mick what a pleasure watching you two dual and impress with your guitar playing skills. I just started watching your channel as I have been an acoustic guitar player for most of my life. I am starting getting into playing electric guitars. Thanks for providing great inspiration. A fan MJ
Classic episode! I LOVE the walk through the decades - you could do a whole 2 hour movie on this theme. I'd really like to see you both do costume changes and wear era appropriate clothes for each decade. Lastly - I really like the new SG. Cheers!
Never fully understood why the SG wasn't as popular as it should be, that Pelham Blue one is a prime example of the clarity and sparkle you can get from a good SG. They're also incredibly comfortable with great fret access.
@@achanonymous That is the usual argument I hear against them too... Fortunately I bolted a rather large cumbersome Bigsby to the bottom end of mine, which seems to have cured it of that.
@@samhealey7603 I always found that just using a wide strap that was made of a material with better grip on the shoulder than the standard fabric straps, was usually enough to prevent any kind of neck dive. I've always used wide straps, so I'd always thought that neck dive was a bit of a myth, or at least kind of rare, until I borrowed another guitarists SG while I was on stage (broke a string in the first song, then broke a string on my backup guitar in the second song, with no guitar tech to restring either of them), and that thing plummeted the moment I let go of it. Switched to my wide strap, and it was completely fine.
I never liked SG cause I felt like it was Angus' guitar. lol. Took me years to get over that. It was derrek trucks who finally FORCED me to buy an SG with his awesome tones. Now I own two and love them.
This was an amazing show. I don’t always stick it out to the end but I couldn’t miss a moment of this. I now want those Murphy Lab SGs even if I already have an SG. One thing I was curious to see discuss is how much the tonal and clarity difference has to do with the different locations of the pickups (and thus different distances from bridge).
Great show !! One thing to mention, is the pickup placement. On the sg, both pickups is further down the body Also bridge pickup slightly closer to the bridge. Making it brighter. All 4 guitars was awesome
Huge smile on my face the entire time😊 thank you gents! What an epic show! On another note, I neeeeever got on with the look of an SG, never thought I’d own one. That is until a CS ‘63 SG Junior in Heather Mist came across my path and floored me, and I moved Heaven and earth to get that thing, and I’m so glad I did. Now I’m afraid I’ve got the SG bug, and been particularly wanting a Murphy 64 SG in Pelham Blue. So of course I came sprinting to this video!
Love videos of people discovering the SG, it really is the best-looking and best-sounding Gibson guitar out there without a doubt! The SG is what Les Paul players want their guitar to sound like.
YEEESSS, more of this please. I've been patiently waiting for you guys to get a proper SG for years and that's THE one to get. Don't send it back Mick, Gibson won't miss it!
The SG into the Kingsley/Mesa/EV 12-L rig has me rethinking everything I know about guitar tone. It was balanced, warm and articulate. I’ve heard balanced, I’ve heard warm, and I’ve heard articulate, but not all three together and not like that. Extraordinary.
Ha! Thanks so much Bill. It’s a sound of which I’ve become very fond, and I’m totally with you. Mick here. It does crazy stooopid clean, and it does filthy nasty dirty. And everything between. Maybe not the irresistible chew and rasp of an old tweed or the barking mad rasp of a Plexi….. but the big headroom/maximum dynamic and all that…. I love this approach! Good luck!
Mick and Dan, like many on these threads I am a massive fan of the show for the obvious reasons I think most are.....your guests are always compelling, your knowledge and love of all things guitar, etc. This episode for me is one of my favorites and I have watched it a few times. And what I love the most is how your personalities are on full display. The freak out you both have at various times while rocking out (Mick laughing hysterically after wailing on the Pelham Blue SG at top volume for example) just brings a smile to my face and I laugh with you as well. Love the show and thank you for being you.
Just an epic episode! I've always loved a Pelham Blue SG, but I struggle with the difference in feel compared to my other guitars. The neck is being shifted more is just radically different for me!
As someone who has always thought of the SG as the ‘ugly stepsister’ of the 335 and LP, that Pelham Blue is quite spectacular, and through the Kingsley/Mesa rig took the win for me today ! Lovely playing and tones from you both !
The first SG I ever saw was a photo of George Harrison playing one (sometime around Revolver) and thought it was beautiful. Loved the cherry color and the beveled cutaways.
@@funkyfurballs1078 Was never into SGs, but bought a since example of the regular black Gibson SG Standard (super dark fretboard and no QA crap). Played around changing pickups a bit and now it's my favorite guitar. Sounds great, looks great, light, versatile. SGs are pretty underrated imo.
Outstanding episode. Both guitars are amazing. Outstanding tones ...Both of your playing was amazing. I love my 69 Sg. Plays ,and sounds amazing. Keep it up fellows!
I really, really don't like the looks of an SG. It's odd to me. The Lester is a classic beauty. But... the sounds... of these SGs... Right up there. Glorious.
Great video, I have also been looking around for an SG for quite awhile. However, after hearing them all side by side, I greatly preferred the Les Pauls and Jr. in every instance. It almost seemed to me that all the guitars go to 11, but the SG was stuck on 10. I'm a little surprised I thought that, but I guess that means I just need to get out there and try more SG's lol. Great job on the comparison.
I own a few electrics telecaster,PRS Vela, core, Stratocaster and my SG 1973 will put a big stupid smile on my face… every time …… it’s so underrated. Thanks so much for the video…….
WOOOOW Mick in the 70's getting giddy, and Dan in the 80's, WOW, you both seriously moved me. Gorgeous, and incendiary. Oh, and...this finally pushed me to say yes. VOS 61 SG its....outrageous. Thanks for all of it, guys, and crew. all of it.
Interesting how I preferred Dans LP in Micks hands and Micks LP in Dans hands! Mick looks like he belongs with that SG. I am a Les Paul guy but that SG-fuzz-Marshall glory was one of my favourie sounds I've ever heard
Watching this for a bit of inspiration as I just sorted my SG out with PAF, vintage wiring and 500k+ pots. I went straight here as have fond memories of this SG from 2023. I've only got 40 seconds in and it already sounds unbelievable. Please track down that SG and buy it Mick, it really suited you and went down in history as the 'Mick in 2023' guitar as far as I'm concerned.
Dan really shines with those clean sounds - you can tell he's influenced quite a bit by that Andy Timmons bloke! Dan and Mick are more talented than they realize!!
Oh my golly gosh, gentlemen. One of the greatest episodes I've ever seen. I cherish and watch TPS ferociously but have never commented before. I just had to today to express how magical the tones you made were! I was blown away by the one guitar one amp show a few weeks back and when I thought you couldn't really get a better tone than Mick's DGT into the '65 Deluxe, this just took the cranked amp tones to the next level. The Fender Pro-Amp was particularly tasty. You've totally confirmed that my favourite overdrive is the sound of a cranking amp. The tones and your playing today just blew me away. They went to the next level. It seems that the guitars and tones were able to bring out some of your best playing in both of you. Mick, your section into the Marshall with the SG ... man, when you kicked the fuzz on! That was some of your best playing that I've heard. It was truly wonderful. I loved your childish cackling after and you cracked me up when you rolled the volume off on Dan's Lester and started Travis Picking! When you said that you'd borrowed the SG from Gibson, I thought 'oh no, that's not going back!' And for the sake of your musical journey (though not for the sake of your bank account), I hope it doesn't. It's bringing out some amazing playing in you. How special that guitar is is shown by that, and by how it makes both of you laugh and smile. I was in awe. That goes for the noises both of you made with all guitars and all amps. I thought before watching this vid that I would have a clear favourite one or two guitars by the end of the video, but I was proved wrong. They all came into their own in different scenarios, which is why ... you have to have all of them! Dan's SG is always so unreal though. I loved the demonstration of how loud it is acoustically in the recent VCQ. Crazy guitar. Ah, glorious tones. Truly glorious tones. Man, I'm seriously moved. Off to plug into my rig and try make some nice noise now after being inspired by having my face melted! As always, thank you, Mick and Dan. Thank you. And I really appreciate the quality of your content recently. Also, Mick, you should make an EP (or an LP would be even better😉) titled 'Mick Pushing the Blues' after that section title! All the love, respect and thanks to you xx
The best tone I've ever heard Mick have was on an SG (Derek Trucks model, maybe). On a Guitarist Magazine video in the Tones for Tache series. Into a Red Jasper, Tube Screamer, Mooer Trelocopter plus a reverb and delay. Into a Boogie of some kind. I go back and watch that video sometimes, I think it's one of the better tones on UA-cam. Strange he said he's not familiar with SGs, I always assumed he owned that guitar. Not sure what the pedal board was on that video, but it basically looked like a plastic kitchen cutting board.
Ok so that SG sounded far far better than I'd expected, and just in terms of versatility, it clean swept the floor. I love single 15" speakers on guitar and have a black panel Pro that I will be buried with, but that tweed was quite something. I'd like to hear a stock standard SG against a LP standard though for a more "real world" scenario, where I am fairly sure the SG design will still impress.
You guys gained a subscriber from this video. Man, this was so awesome love that green SG and how y’all compared the different eras of guitar and all the different amps. Just wow! Well done lads👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻✨😎🎸
I think it’s hilarious how you guys are on a similar journey as I am. I recently started a new Cream tribute band (I was in a different one a time back) Obviously I had to have the Fool SG (I recently painted a new one on an Epiphone) I put Burstbuckers 1 and 2 in it. (What pickups are in that SG by the way?)I just played the first show with it NYE and yes you said it perfectly Dan, it sounded like a tele paul! I played some other early Clapton material as well and thought, wow with this articulation I don’t really need to change to a strat for that material. Love my Pauls, but the SG is more versatile.👍👍👍🎸
I would guess that custom shop comes with the custom buckers with A3 mags. Just a guess! I think most current SGs are shipping with the '61 buckers which are potted A5 and sound too much bass and too much treb at the same time, IMO. I put a set of Seth Lovers, A2, no wax, in one of my SGs to good results. Thinking of trying an A3 in the bridge pickup for a touch more compression.
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The best part of watching your videos is seeing the looks of pure child-like joy on your faces when you play at screaming loud volumes. The uncontrollable laughter by Mick at 26:00 is what keeps me coming back and makes me want to dime my own amp. Keep it up boys!
Yes, I've watched that bit 6 times so far 🤣😂😅😁
EXACTLY!!!!!!
Mick playing that sg into the Marshall with the fuzz was one of the best tps moments ever. So joyful
Genuinely, the most anticipation I have ever experienced for a release of any UA-cam content. Coffee ready, let’s go!
Part of what I enjoy so much about this show is the infectious joy the two of you share for each other’s playing.
One of the biggest differences in tone between an SG and a Les Paul isn't just the pickups and the wood. One thing that most people don't know, understand or take into account is that the pickups are located differently on an SG and a Les Paul.
Even when comparing an original 1959 Les Paul Standard to an original 1964 SG Standard, the bridge pickup on an SG is actually a little bit closer to the bridge than the bridge pickup of a Les Paul is, and the neck pickup of an SG is actually mounted farther away from the neck (and essentially closer to the bridge) than it is on a Les Paul.
As we all know: the closer a pickup is to the bridge, the brighter it is, and the farther away it is from the bridge, the darker and bassier it will sound. Pickup location within a guitar's scale length makes a difference in tone.
Being that both guitars have the same scale length (24.75 inches), the distance between the end of the neck and the bridge is the same for both the SG and the Les Paul. However, the most crucial difference in neck pickup location between the two is: with the Les Paul, the neck pickup sits right up against the end of the neck. Whereas the SG's neck pickup cannot be mounted right against the neck like a Les Paul because there isn't enough wood for the pickup routing in that area where the cutouts for the horns are, so it has to be routed further down and away from the neck for structural reasons. With the SG's pickups essentially located closer to the bridge than the Les Paul's, this affects its tone a lot more than people may know or realize.
How does this affect the tone of the SG? Remember, the bridge pickup of an SG is slightly closer to the bridge than it is on a Les Paul, and the SG's neck pickup is located farther away from the neck (and essentially closer to the bridge) than it is on a Les Paul as well, which gives it a slightly brighter, thinner, more midrange-focused sound in comparison to a Les Paul. These differences in pickup location is why the SG generally tends to be more midrange-y, and why some consider it to have a more "Tele"-ish sound; that it doesn't sound quite as fat and full on the bottom end as a Les Paul, and why the SG has more midrange "cut" and "snap" to its sound. It's also why the SG's neck pickup tends to sound not quite as thick and a bit more articulate. Because it's located farther down in the string's scale length and is essentially closer to the bridge than a Les Paul's, which gives it a slightly brighter, tighter tone. Pickup location makes a difference!
The reason I know it makes a difference is because a pickup builder and personal friend of mine made a testbed guitar with a rail system in it that allowed you to slide pickups up and down anywhere between the bridge and the neck, and by doing so, even only a couple of millimetres can make a difference in tone. Especially with the bridge pickup. A couple millimetres makes less of an audible difference with the neck pickup, but the SG's neck pickup is located much farther down than the Les Paul's neck pickup, which affects its tone. Even in this video you can see the distance between the pickups is different between the SG and Les Paul. Both of the SG's pickups are closer together AND closer to the bridge, which inherently gives it a different tone. Being they are closer together, it also affects the SG's middle position tonal character too.
This is also partly why an Epiphone Les Paul's bridge pickup tone is a bit different than a Gibson Les Paul's, because the Epiphone's bridge pickup is slightly farther away from the bridge than a Gibson's. It's not just the pickups themselves (which of course make a difference), it's also the pickup location that makes a difference in tone. Gibson knows this and that's why there are differences between Gibson and Epiphone pickup mounting locations, and even small differences between different models in the Gibson range through out the years as well.
Anyway, start measuring the different pickup mounting distances on SGs and Les Pauls, and from Gibsons to Epiphones to see for yourself. Pickups and wood are most CERTAINLY part of the equation, but pickup mounting location is a part of that equation too. Any guitar or pickup builder worth their salt knows it is.
Nice! Makes sense!
Oh my.
"And for some reason at the end of the 70s everyone lost their minds" - my new favorite Mick quote 😂😂
EVH was the biggest factor that changed the guitar in the 80’s.
My favourite episode in a long time. That SG is unreal. There’s no way Mick is sending that back.
100% and you know Gibson is sending them the cream of the crop.
@@TrailerHitchRVCentereven the worst Gibsons are still great. People (nerds)exaggerate QC issues
@@Ottophil Recently visited my local guitar store to buy a Gibson LP... Knowing there was a good selection I was prepared for a longish session trying out a few. With money in my pocket, I tried 2 out of the 12 hanging on the wall. All, without exception, had finish issues, 4 had checking around the neck pocket... 5k plus for a substandard guitar? I don´t think so! By the way, I own guitars with checking, finish cracks, less than showroom condition but I am not paying 5k+ for a Gibson that already has issues! Suffice to say I left without buying a Gibson!
@otto Phil. Sorry but I disagree here. A friend has a LP tribute. Came in with a jack socket that wouldn’t work cause someone shoved 3 lock washers on it. AND with a little time The fretboard has literally shrunk on the neck leaving a rather large lip on the bass side. The jack is forgivable. The fretboard is not.
@@Ottophil Absolutely false, bad neck angles, neck warping etc even in high end Gibsons. Gibson is just bad company today with bad QC
Haven’t ever commented on UA-cam before and have watched all your stuff for years… Absolutely hands down amazing… guys both of your playing was amazing and totally inspirational…. Never wanted an SG but now it’s on the list. Seriously fabulous playing chaps… kudos boys!!!
Thank you Bill, and thank you for being here!
The total joy on their faces in between takes makes the whole episode - it's what makes us all want to play guitar. Can you imagine how loud it is in there? Love it!
This came at the perfect time. I’m a custodian of a new Custom Shop Murphy Lab 63 SG Custom, and it’s the first hum bucker guitar (excluding filtertrons) that I’ve ever loved. If only they were all built like that. Hearing the SG under a microscope, especially compared to a Les Paul, a guitar I’ve never enjoyed, illuminated what I love about it. Thank you chaps.
Epic and Glorious is how I would describe this episode, the playing, the sounds and the guitars were all incredible, brilliant work Dan and Mick, that SG is a thing of wonder !! 😄
Great to hear you guys stepping out of your genre boxes on this!
I bought my 1961 white Gibson SG second-hand and have played it ever since then. When I pick it up, it feels like "home" to me. I just got out of the hospital and your video gave me a great feeling of satisfaction. Glad you did the comparisons. i;ll send a photo sometime. Keep on Rockin'
As a Les Paul owner of nearly 8 years I can safely say my favourite was... the SG! Damn it.
I love the SG sound & feel, but I'm really blown away by how awesome that Junior is.
26:05 is GLORIOUS. What a marvel that some bits of wood and metal can cause such joy.
The two of you laughing in pure ecstasy is...all I need. Thank you guys for just...experiencing that and letting us watch :)
Your reactions to each other's playing in the opening is so darn infectious. Thank you!
Top 5 episode of all time and it wasn’t even about pedals! Thanks guys, this is a subject near and dear to my heart. I’ve never been in a position to hear an SG and LP compared so well.
That Fender Pro is all the guitar tone you'll ever need. Hearing the SG and Les Paul back to back makes me realize that the SG has some of that mid honkiness typical of the 335, but still with its own character. The SG is really growing on me. It's a solid guitar.
26:02 Mick giggling, with the enthusiasm that Dan usually does, is just about the happiest and most elated I've ever seen or heard Mick. Good on ya. It made my heart happy to see.
This is the best episode in ages. Really enjoyed it. Love the "through the decades" format.
The Gibson SG is often referred to as the Gibson Stratocaster. Put that '64 CS ML SG up against your strats please!
Also, how pedals were used through the decades would be a good format, eg. Chorus, Reverb, delays, fuzz, each one an episode of how it was used by iconic artists or in iconic songs through the decades.
I want to like this twice just based upon how much fun the two of you are having. Great episode!
As a Lefty, videos like these are invaluable. We're relegated to most often buying sight unseen, so a video like this is much appreciated. cheers
Hi Legends, glorious sounds today Guys. Mick your playing with the SG and the Marshall was something I won’t forget for a long time, absolutely beautiful. Thank you.
Mick and Dan in their happy place. I have no words. Best 46 minutes on youtube EVER
I’m sure this has been said in the bulk of the comments but this really feels like a defining episode of the channel, even though it’s light on pedals, light on technical details etc. I adore TPS, I have loved every challenge that’s ever been done. I love the shoot outs, the guides to each effect, the guest interviews, the NPD’s, the sessions, everything. But this, gentlemen. This, is why I’m here every week. Turn it up.
Some of the playing Dan did through Mick's "Rad 80s Rack Rig" was so moving. Approaching Timmons level at points for me. Nice one Dan.
(This combined with my other comment on this video also shows the dichotomy of tones that appeal to me.)
Absolutely glorious! Out of all the people I watch on UA-cam you two are probably the ones I'd most want to have a pint with. How about a Gibson Humbucker vs Wide Range Humbucker video?
Great run through the decades. The "80's" segment really illustrated how lucky we are now to have the kind of gear that is available. The ability to dial up both pristine and rocking tones through a well put together rig is so awesome. Additionally, being able to dial these in at controllable volumes. The Mesa rig really brought out the majesty of each instrument. I lost som any of the nuances through the other amps that were jacked. Thanks for all you do.
Mick at 25:40, and Dan at 35:30. I mean just absolutely phenomenal tones. From the embodiment of the rock n’ roll sound to the dynamic reverby ethereal plains. In my book it’s the SG all day, not to say the Lester isn’t an absolute amazing guitar but the dynamic versatility of SG’s and you still get to have the whammy bar takes the cake. My friend always says a SG is just a Les Paul pretending to be a Strat. Anyways phenomenal episode of TPS!
The cackle after says it all.
I lucked into an all original 1970 Lyre tail SG back in 2010... and my heart still beats for it every day. The frets are worn down to nubs, but it still sustains for days. A truly remarkable design.
Are you nervous to refret
@@jamesfarmer6878 big time
Now that was FUN! Thanks guys for the great comparisons and great playing. It was like a great guitar album. Pure joy!
Awesome episode Guys! Two observations from me: 1/ the Jnr into the Fender Pro is a match made in heaven 2/ This video reaffirmed why I think the Hudson Broadcast works so well with a Les Paul as a clean or slightly crunchy preamp as you can dial back the bass really nicely and it helps to prevent things going too dark when you roll the guitar volume off. I've tried so many other drive pedals but nothing does that job better IMHO.
The look on your face, Mick, and the laugh at the end of each guitar through the 1987 with fuzz and delay, THAT'S IT!!!!! I hear that every time I play plugged in, there is NOTHING like that experience!! Great show, I love the sounds, tones and as always yours and Dan's playing. Cheers, Guys!
Dan I am in love with your 61 SG. That P90 is epic. I would be hard pressed to play my other guitars if that was sitting there. Not a fan of Pelham Blue like most of the other viewers were but to each his own. Great playing as always and it’s so cool to see the joy on your faces at the sounds you’re able to get. Have become a huge fan of TPS.
It always puzzles me how Dan and Mick spend so much time with other guitars when that Junior is sitting there. My favorite by far.
I'm usually not a SG fan, but I have to say this Pelham blue in all configurations just floored me; well done lads !
More and more "That Pedal Show" is attracting me to the tone of cranked amps without pedals 😊 There's another one I watched recently where they did a 1 guitar and 1 amp challenge. Man the tones Dan and Mick got were phenomenal. I especially liked the PRS into the DRRI. Sweetness!
I gotta say, some of the finest playing we've heard on this show. Mick particularly, it reminds me of the first vlog of the 61 strat, the trip to Analogman, adding the 335, unleashing the Two Rock, etc. It really illustrates the point of gear research and study: When our tools are supporting our creativity, we can reach our maximum potential.
Y'all always sound good, but when the gear is "inspiring," so is your playing. I think that's why we put in the time on the tools, the research of the tools, the contemplation of what tools will inspire the desired results. And at the end of it, we can shut all of that off and just play.
So very, very well done, as ever. Let's get Cesar and JC on the show, because that SG is a must.
Those tones and playing were absolutely glorious!!!
This honestly is the best both of you have sounded and played in a video. You were inspired by the tones and it showed. Well done gents
Quite often through that I kept having the thought that Dan's R8 is how the guitarist in the studio wants the guitar to sound, and the SG is how it sounds once the producer has got hold of it to sit nicely in a mix. Also, the design change between the Les Paul and SG makes a lot of sense when you consider the jazzier origins of the LP and the music of the 50's and the poppier janglier sounds of the early 60's and the thinner, wirier sounds of the SG. Great episode chaps, and you pair o' bastards have reignited my SG GAS...
Extremely well put
Yes me also - there needs to be a health warning on these
Great analogy 👌
I always thought generally the LP sits in between a 335 and SG. You want a LP with more midrange girth get a 335. You want an LP with a little more bite get an SG.
This exactly how l think about it. LP if you are the only guitarist in a small band. But SG will sit better in the mix for a larger band.
Man….How many years I’ve waited for this…..As an SG player with a dabble into Les Pauls the minute you stuck my ‘70s rig on it made all these Fender videos disappear….Thank You…….
Fantastic episode lads! I went through the SG vs. Les Paul, and ended up going Les Paul because, well, it's the best looking guitar ever made and I found a tasty Bourbon Burst Standard with a very dark rosewood board, and it's light too! That and Professor Taylor stated quite convincingly, "There are three key considerations when purchasing an electric guitar. What it looks like, what it looks like, and what it looks like."
Ha! Nice one James! We can see these teachings are spreading wisdom through the land. Hahahah!
Cold snowy Friday morning a cup of coffee and That Pedal Show, perfect.
Most of Zappa’s best solos came from his SG. Also Holdsworth’s guitar of choice in his early years with Sift Machine. A very versatile guitar.
Don't forget Robby Krieger
Such a great episode guys. Really interesting hearing the different amps too. Absolutely love the look of the that SG !
My god... that LP Jr sounds terrific. So open and full, with all the needed frecuencies and presence... Maybe i'm gonna say something strong, but it's the best guitar i've heard from you. I really love your Show guys... keep rocking!!
Dan and Mick what a pleasure watching you two dual and impress with your guitar playing skills. I just started watching your channel as I have been an acoustic guitar player for most of my life. I am starting getting into playing electric guitars. Thanks for providing great inspiration. A fan MJ
Classic episode! I LOVE the walk through the decades - you could do a whole 2 hour movie on this theme. I'd really like to see you both do costume changes and wear era appropriate clothes for each decade. Lastly - I really like the new SG. Cheers!
Wonderful episode chaps, bravo! A real privilege to see that Murphy SG, and play the Goldtop yesterday at the Experience Day - thank you!
Neill! Nice one geez. Hope you had an uneventful journey home. :0)
The KFC at Amesbury aside, it was pretty uneventful for a Friday night drive!
What brilliant playing and tones all around. That was a fun episode to watch! The pelham SG is WICKED, but you guys are the best. Thanks gents
My favorite episode yet! I thoroughly enjoyed it. Keep them coming!
Never fully understood why the SG wasn't as popular as it should be, that Pelham Blue one is a prime example of the clarity and sparkle you can get from a good SG. They're also incredibly comfortable with great fret access.
"Something something neck dive" is usually what I get when I start talking about how much I love SGs.
@@achanonymous That is the usual argument I hear against them too... Fortunately I bolted a rather large cumbersome Bigsby to the bottom end of mine, which seems to have cured it of that.
Neck dive keeps me away from the SG and the Firebird.
@@samhealey7603 I always found that just using a wide strap that was made of a material with better grip on the shoulder than the standard fabric straps, was usually enough to prevent any kind of neck dive.
I've always used wide straps, so I'd always thought that neck dive was a bit of a myth, or at least kind of rare, until I borrowed another guitarists SG while I was on stage (broke a string in the first song, then broke a string on my backup guitar in the second song, with no guitar tech to restring either of them), and that thing plummeted the moment I let go of it. Switched to my wide strap, and it was completely fine.
I never liked SG cause I felt like it was Angus' guitar. lol. Took me years to get over that. It was derrek trucks who finally FORCED me to buy an SG with his awesome tones. Now I own two and love them.
Unreal playing this episode, gentlemen. Ear to ear smiles the entire time watching.
Such a great job of displaying the Gibson palate. The Junior and the R8 are my favorites.
This episode will put hair on your chest.
This was an amazing show. I don’t always stick it out to the end but I couldn’t miss a moment of this. I now want those Murphy Lab SGs even if I already have an SG. One thing I was curious to see discuss is how much the tonal and clarity difference has to do with the different locations of the pickups (and thus different distances from bridge).
Great show !!
One thing to mention, is the pickup placement.
On the sg, both pickups is further down the body
Also bridge pickup slightly closer to the bridge.
Making it brighter.
All 4 guitars was awesome
The part that always keeps me coming back to the channel is the genuine love for amazing tones.
I love their playing!! Soulful, feel, tone, no flash needed. Sounds killer guys!! 👍
Huge smile on my face the entire time😊 thank you gents! What an epic show!
On another note, I neeeeever got on with the look of an SG, never thought I’d own one. That is until a CS ‘63 SG Junior in Heather Mist came across my path and floored me, and I moved Heaven and earth to get that thing, and I’m so glad I did. Now I’m afraid I’ve got the SG bug, and been particularly wanting a Murphy 64 SG in Pelham Blue. So of course I came sprinting to this video!
Love videos of people discovering the SG, it really is the best-looking and best-sounding Gibson guitar out there without a doubt! The SG is what Les Paul players want their guitar to sound like.
One of the best videos you have ever done! Great great playing gents!
YEEESSS, more of this please. I've been patiently waiting for you guys to get a proper SG for years and that's THE one to get. Don't send it back Mick, Gibson won't miss it!
A minute in and already worthy of the like.
Majestic stuff right out of the gate, gentlemen- thank you.
The SG into the Kingsley/Mesa/EV 12-L rig has me rethinking everything I know about guitar tone. It was balanced, warm and articulate. I’ve heard balanced, I’ve heard warm, and I’ve heard articulate, but not all three together and not like that. Extraordinary.
Ha! Thanks so much Bill. It’s a sound of which I’ve become very fond, and I’m totally with you. Mick here. It does crazy stooopid clean, and it does filthy nasty dirty. And everything between. Maybe not the irresistible chew and rasp of an old tweed or the barking mad rasp of a Plexi….. but the big headroom/maximum dynamic and all that…. I love this approach! Good luck!
Mick and Dan, like many on these threads I am a massive fan of the show for the obvious reasons I think most are.....your guests are always compelling, your knowledge and love of all things guitar, etc. This episode for me is one of my favorites and I have watched it a few times. And what I love the most is how your personalities are on full display. The freak out you both have at various times while rocking out (Mick laughing hysterically after wailing on the Pelham Blue SG at top volume for example) just brings a smile to my face and I laugh with you as well. Love the show and thank you for being you.
Thank you kindly! We do our best to not forget that this should be fun. And fun we shall have!
@@ThatPedalShow bloody well right!!!
Just an epic episode! I've always loved a Pelham Blue SG, but I struggle with the difference in feel compared to my other guitars. The neck is being shifted more is just radically different for me!
revisited after a year and I just fell in love with the dynamics of the SG! best video ever!
Not much of a pedal user anymore but when it comes to guitars you guys do them justice. I love the Pelham Blue on that SG, hope it's staying.
Great show and extra great playing!
@that_pedal_show1 C'est super connard
As someone who has always thought of the SG as the ‘ugly stepsister’ of the 335 and LP, that Pelham Blue is quite spectacular, and through the Kingsley/Mesa rig took the win for me today ! Lovely playing and tones from you both !
I used to hate SGs now I love them! ...maybe one day I'll like the Tele!
The first SG I ever saw was a photo of George Harrison playing one (sometime around Revolver) and thought it was beautiful. Loved the cherry color and the beveled cutaways.
@@funkyfurballs1078 Was never into SGs, but bought a since example of the regular black Gibson SG Standard (super dark fretboard and no QA crap). Played around changing pickups a bit and now it's my favorite guitar. Sounds great, looks great, light, versatile. SGs are pretty underrated imo.
Outstanding episode. Both guitars are amazing. Outstanding tones ...Both of your playing was amazing. I love my 69 Sg. Plays ,and sounds amazing. Keep it up fellows!
I really, really don't like the looks of an SG.
It's odd to me.
The Lester is a classic beauty.
But... the sounds... of these SGs... Right up there. Glorious.
Excellent show and awesome playing from both of you Dan and Mick!! Cheers to the new SG sounds !
I love Mick’s tone induced uncontrollable laughter.
Always good to see people having fun, playing in the key of loud.
Great video, I have also been looking around for an SG for quite awhile. However, after hearing them all side by side, I greatly preferred the Les Pauls and Jr. in every instance. It almost seemed to me that all the guitars go to 11, but the SG was stuck on 10. I'm a little surprised I thought that, but I guess that means I just need to get out there and try more SG's lol. Great job on the comparison.
I own a few electrics telecaster,PRS Vela, core, Stratocaster and my SG 1973 will put a big stupid smile on my face… every time …… it’s so underrated. Thanks so much for the video…….
I love pedals AND guitars. Please do more of these. How about a show on Explorers & Flying V's?
That last part with reverb was a Masterclass in reverb usage... Mesmerizing
Lovely episode. I gotta say, that ‘61 SG Junior might be the best sounding TPS Guitar. So rich and alive. It even sounds good slightly out of tune…😅
I think the pit of time is because the neck is quite bendy, isn’t?
Great piece guys. One of my faves. The two of you were loving that and ooft the Pelham SG sounded amazing!!
The sounds of the SG through Dan’s Vox we’re just astounding. And Mick buys a new guitar in 3… 2…
man alive! I knew this was worth listening on my studio monitors :) absolutely love that old pro!
That first chord from Dan during the 80’s bit, F#11 I believe, is just the most perfect chord of all time!!!! The Hemisphere’s chord!!!!!!!
WOOOOW Mick in the 70's getting giddy, and Dan in the 80's, WOW, you both seriously moved me. Gorgeous, and incendiary. Oh, and...this finally pushed me to say yes. VOS 61 SG its....outrageous. Thanks for all of it, guys, and crew. all of it.
Interesting how I preferred Dans LP in Micks hands and Micks LP in Dans hands!
Mick looks like he belongs with that SG. I am a Les Paul guy but that SG-fuzz-Marshall glory was one of my favourie sounds I've ever heard
Great episode, great playing and great guitars
Amazing! Just amazing!Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Watching this for a bit of inspiration as I just sorted my SG out with PAF, vintage wiring and 500k+ pots.
I went straight here as have fond memories of this SG from 2023.
I've only got 40 seconds in and it already sounds unbelievable.
Please track down that SG and buy it Mick, it really suited you and went down in history as the 'Mick in 2023' guitar as far as I'm concerned.
Great stuff as usual guys, but holy crap, Dan! Your clean toned playing early on with the 80's rig was just beautiful!
Dan really shines with those clean sounds - you can tell he's influenced quite a bit by that Andy Timmons bloke! Dan and Mick are more talented than they realize!!
@@mikedr1549 Agreed. I know Dan loves Andy's playing as evidenced by him tearing up when Andy visited TPS!
Dan's solo around 28:00 reminds me of Marty Mcfly's "I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet" solo.
2:11 "I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet...but your kids are gonna love it :)
Oh my golly gosh, gentlemen. One of the greatest episodes I've ever seen.
I cherish and watch TPS ferociously but have never commented before. I just had to today to express how magical the tones you made were!
I was blown away by the one guitar one amp show a few weeks back and when I thought you couldn't really get a better tone than Mick's DGT into the '65 Deluxe, this just took the cranked amp tones to the next level. The Fender Pro-Amp was particularly tasty. You've totally confirmed that my favourite overdrive is the sound of a cranking amp.
The tones and your playing today just blew me away. They went to the next level. It seems that the guitars and tones were able to bring out some of your best playing in both of you. Mick, your section into the Marshall with the SG ... man, when you kicked the fuzz on! That was some of your best playing that I've heard. It was truly wonderful. I loved your childish cackling after and you cracked me up when you rolled the volume off on Dan's Lester and started Travis Picking!
When you said that you'd borrowed the SG from Gibson, I thought 'oh no, that's not going back!' And for the sake of your musical journey (though not for the sake of your bank account), I hope it doesn't. It's bringing out some amazing playing in you. How special that guitar is is shown by that, and by how it makes both of you laugh and smile. I was in awe. That goes for the noises both of you made with all guitars and all amps.
I thought before watching this vid that I would have a clear favourite one or two guitars by the end of the video, but I was proved wrong. They all came into their own in different scenarios, which is why ... you have to have all of them! Dan's SG is always so unreal though. I loved the demonstration of how loud it is acoustically in the recent VCQ. Crazy guitar.
Ah, glorious tones. Truly glorious tones. Man, I'm seriously moved. Off to plug into my rig and try make some nice noise now after being inspired by having my face melted!
As always, thank you, Mick and Dan. Thank you. And I really appreciate the quality of your content recently. Also, Mick, you should make an EP (or an LP would be even better😉) titled 'Mick Pushing the Blues' after that section title!
All the love, respect and thanks to you xx
Thank you Zachary, much kindness here! Glad you enjoyed it and it makes you want to pick up the guitar. Happy days! :0)
Great episode. Dans’ SG Jr is the best sounding of the lot to my ears and they’re all good!
The best tone I've ever heard Mick have was on an SG (Derek Trucks model, maybe). On a Guitarist Magazine video in the Tones for Tache series. Into a Red Jasper, Tube Screamer, Mooer Trelocopter plus a reverb and delay. Into a Boogie of some kind.
I go back and watch that video sometimes, I think it's one of the better tones on UA-cam. Strange he said he's not familiar with SGs, I always assumed he owned that guitar.
Not sure what the pedal board was on that video, but it basically looked like a plastic kitchen cutting board.
Whats the title of the video?
@@nastradame if you search "Tones for Tache pedalboard" you'll find it. I think it's called "what's on micks pedalboard" or something similar to that
really awesome show once again, thanks guys. would be great to see a Fender Jaguar vs Mustang or Jazzmaster episode
Ok so that SG sounded far far better than I'd expected, and just in terms of versatility, it clean swept the floor. I love single 15" speakers on guitar and have a black panel Pro that I will be buried with, but that tweed was quite something. I'd like to hear a stock standard SG against a LP standard though for a more "real world" scenario, where I am fairly sure the SG design will still impress.
You guys gained a subscriber from this video. Man, this was so awesome love that green SG and how y’all compared the different eras of guitar and all the different amps. Just wow! Well done lads👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻✨😎🎸
Thank you Tyson, and welcome!
I think it’s hilarious how you guys are on a similar journey as I am. I recently started a new Cream tribute band (I was in a different one a time back) Obviously I had to have the Fool SG (I recently painted a new one on an Epiphone) I put Burstbuckers 1 and 2 in it. (What pickups are in that SG by the way?)I just played the first show with it NYE and yes you said it perfectly Dan, it sounded like a tele paul! I played some other early Clapton material as well and thought, wow with this articulation I don’t really need to change to a strat for that material. Love my Pauls, but the SG is more versatile.👍👍👍🎸
I would guess that custom shop comes with the custom buckers with A3 mags. Just a guess! I think most current SGs are shipping with the '61 buckers which are potted A5 and sound too much bass and too much treb at the same time, IMO.
I put a set of Seth Lovers, A2, no wax, in one of my SGs to good results. Thinking of trying an A3 in the bridge pickup for a touch more compression.
If ever there was an episode that "Sounds Better With Headphones" this is it! This sounded awesome!